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On March 29 2013 21:45 zarepath wrote:Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi: Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:SCUMkenpachi Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum): On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off? Buddying: On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips: On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done. Crappy reason to vote for GM: On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Responds with: On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense? On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally. On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say. unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivaxps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^ + Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this? On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too. "wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him. On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious "lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all. On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
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really
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i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point. On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is. + Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak  So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged. On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective). On March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him. Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK? The rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.
nice. you isolated the piece of art for me. I really do like that you tunneled the shit out of all my posts to make them look scummy. Also, you seriously just spearheaded into all my post with no context whatsoever.
im done.
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On March 29 2013 21:45 zarepath wrote:Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi: Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:SCUMkenpachi Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum): On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off? LOL. I just wanted to be able to use the vote count as a weapon but if that is disproportionate to you, then so be it. At that point, the wagon was 2-3 people yeah? so seriously, fuck off BH.Buddying: On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips: Damn it really took forever for somebody to nitpick this. It's unfortunate that I can't use this post anymoreOn March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done. Crappy reason to vote for GM: On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Responds with: On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense? K. reason why I was not surprised is because Greymist played exactly like I do, until he just accepted his death at least. I also like to post bullshit just to see people's responses. I was invisible and i let it known and tried to garner attentionOn March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally. I'm not very good at filter reading if you haven't realized by now.On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say. unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivaxps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^ + Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this? On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too. "wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him. rofl I don't know what you're saying here.On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious "lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all. On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point. You think it's fake? I was gone for the Ace lynch you derp. Lack of content right here, I only was able to post at an odd time.On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is. + Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged. You strike me as being full of shit if you think this is staged. BH asked a bunch of questions, I felt it was completely unnecessary to ask questions back at the time. Plus, nobody in the world has ever talked about my impulsive posting so BH wouldn't even know how to forge a conversation with me.On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective). omg you got me. Subconscious slip. I didn't laugh so hard in a mafia game in such a long timeOn March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him. Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK? wow lolThe rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM.
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On March 30 2013 01:42 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 21:45 zarepath wrote:Guys, it's got to be Kenpachi: On March 29 2013 00:12 zarepath wrote:SCUMkenpachi Disproportionate response to BH pushing a lynch (ie, false distancing from other scum): On March 17 2013 09:15 Kenpachi wrote:
K BH. you know as well as i do that we dont deviate and form 2 wagons.
fuck off? Buddying: On March 17 2013 07:54 Kenpachi wrote:
Thats not all, You're critique of geript SUCKS. ITS TERRIBLE. People including DoYouHas and myself will wonder, what the fuck are you talking about? He does not look scum at all. Sheeps BH after fake distancing, two targets are both town flips: On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote:
ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night.
No questions that is done. Crappy reason to vote for GM: On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote:
So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Responds with: On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
ill bear with it though, I'd like to claim a medic protect on me, just cause. I have a feeling mafia will gun me down first night.
GreYMisT not being scum is disappointing but it is honestly not surprising, though im having a hard time piecing information on his wagon together. Its safe to assume we will find majority of mafia, maybe even all of them, in the bunch that voted him because 1. easy as hell to sheep, 2. he is a forum veteran. 12 people voted for him, including me
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow
Honestly, a hard group to figure out.
I'd like to assume that me and Ryu are not mafia lol.
kitaman is just not contributing as much as we'd like to did we not realize? He's as invisible as I am. So he switches to a vote where he's not surprised he flipped town? Also note that he's not very comfortable NOT getting the limelight, and yet he's completely disappeared. Also note that this post is full of crap -- "mafia MUST be in here, but it's a hard group to figure out; btw, neither me or Ryu are mafia. But I'm having a hard time piecing information together. ALSO, I want to claim a medic protect because I am super town and scum know it." No drive to figure anything out, just to contribute without actually contributing anything. There is more energy spent trying to look like town, while also an awareness of HOW he looks TO town -- note the self-effacing "he's as invisible as I am." Why is he letting us all know how aware he is of his participation? Is it a proactive defense? On March 20 2013 10:48 Kenpachi wrote:
we're all kidding here, goodkarma is still scum. Pretty much, his defense relies on the fact that he's playing like his meta.
.. okay .. Day 1, its massively easy for you to fill in as yourself (somebody said this and i can testify but then, my testimonial isn't reliable.)
It only makes too much sense to me for him to be scum. if he isn't we figure out a lot about the alignments of all the players because right now, it's all over the place. The last 15 pages was just 1 large pressure fest and i believe we should boldly lynch goodkarma. Goodkarma was a hot topic and was taken seriously as a lynch candidate and was seriously defended by a good amount of players. His case on goodkarma, who flipped blue, is based entirely on the fact that he was a hot topic and that many players talked about him. There is literally no comment on GK's actual content, just on the fact that he was talked about by the town. It's like a sheep trying to re-start the herd so he can have something to follow again. And what's with this "boldly" crap? How about "intelligently" or "carefully" or "rationally?" It's a bad argument without substance trying to get people to lynch emotionally. On March 21 2013 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:if someone wants to look into Vivax for me, go for it. I do not have a solid read on BH and VE cause they are incredibly difficult to read (they sway in persona every game from my experiences). However, VE is a better lynchbet cause he does offer a bit of information i'd say. unvote: goodkarma
vote: Vivaxps: zarepath, you dont look all too hot with that post you mentioned me ^^ + Show Spoiler [i bolded this load of crap by mistake…] +On March 21 2013 02:23 zarepath wrote:
Kenpachi has completely disappeared, which is odd considering this:
On March 19 2013 07:08 Kenpachi wrote:
I'm personally not very comfortable not getting any limelight, good or bad lol
TestSubject has been completely AFK ever since he voted for GreyMist, save for this post, so look for his contributions soon:
On March 20 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I've been really inactive. I had a couple of things come up that have been taking up a lot of my time. I'm like 20 pages behind but am going to catch up right now.
glurio's last post is calling WoS scum, and since the Eye claim, glurio's said nothing. I want to know if he believes WoS's claim and who his scum reads are now.
Cosmicomics' last post looked pretty scummy, and his VE case seemed absurd to me:
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
Mr. Wiggles still has no new reads except for WoS, and he hasn't reacted at all to WoS's blue claim.
RyuSuzaku hasn't done anything since his N1 reads on VE, TranceStorm, and glurio.
Of all of these, I like cosmicomics the most as a lynch. He hasn't done much, and the things he's done lack follow-through -- he made the poor VE case and never spoke of it again, he showed up to tell WoS to quit being a baby after everyone else was already on WoS, and hasn't said anything about WoS again after that. He looks like scum to me.
I am voting Vivax but I want other people to check into his filter FOR me? What the heck is this? On March 21 2013 10:07 Kenpachi wrote:
ill admit, i got a general gist of it to stay up to topic so briefly read it but didn't go too much into anything.
Oh ya, wiggles was another hot topic for good reason. He's also a tricky dude to understand when he's scum because he very illusive as an experienced mafia player (Hes mafia every game) and I don't get a particularly good vibe of him. I have very limited experience with him being town so I have nothing to compare my vibe to. However, I don't like that in our conversation, all he proposed was a questionnaire so think about it. I generally think a barrage of questions is a shitty attempt to enter into the townie blend so FoS on him too. "wiggles was another hot topic for good reason." Why is he framing his reads in terms of how popular it was to talk about them? Also "Hes mafia every game." Isn't that just calling him mafia? Because the rest of this post doesn't look like he's calling him mafia, just warning town to pay attention to him. On March 21 2013 10:12 Kenpachi wrote:
also his questions feigned usefulness. They didnt actually provide anything useful despite their objective tone. Also, he revealed halfheartedness when he just strayed away from the questionnaire after my last response so theres a lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious "lack of concern in Wiggles which makes me inclined to believe he is suspicious" that is a long train of mitigating phrases, leading to what is literally almost not a read at all. On March 22 2013 08:29 Kenpachi wrote:
... wtf
Ace lynch are you guys 4 rela
like
really
what
i wanted to cringe when i read through the last 20 pages honestly. That just was not even fair and more importantly, easy as fuck for mafia to manipulate. Where is the justice in lynching somebody without a fair trial? are you fucking kidding me? We have numerous veterans in this game and this game is for experienced players and you guys go ahead and lynch Ace, not even there to defend himself. Honestly forget Vivax, the dude isn't as blatantly obvious as DP and Wiggles if he were scum because they literally just walked into the vote with 4 hours left and screamed LYNCH GOODKARMA/LYNCH ACE. Not only that, Wiggles wagon was about to catch fire and VE is going to be easy to kill for the next night regardless of his alignment, making it even easier for scum to manipulate our lynch. Fucking unbelievable. Ace was barely in this game too, I thought we might have learned something with that GreYMisT lynch. SERIOUSLY.
Also, VisceraEyes is a clown. BH is town, GK is town, Coagulation is town. Get off their dicks, and actually think for once. This is so fake. He called BH town and GK town (after pushing for a "bold" lynch of GK), but the majority of this post is simply trying to look pro-town WAY after the Ace lynch was old news. Fake outrage. The timing of this post is so off for what its content actually is, which is outrage at the town, when the town is already moving onto something else at this point. On March 23 2013 05:44 Kenpachi wrote:BH mason'ed me but nothing important was said in it. I don't want to post it cause I did vent my rage at town last night but here it is. + Show Spoiler [Logs] +Blazinghand 03-21-2013 08:00 PM ET (US) Oh there it is. He thinks I'm pushing a scum agenda (unspecified) and that setup-wise it's unlikely town has 2 masons. 11 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:55 PM ET (US) Well he eventually realized the timestamps weren't adjusted for time zones so he retracted that argument. He said I'm a "wild card" for whether or not I'm scum now. I'll ask him. 10 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) or is it just because of the timestamps 9 K 03-21-2013 07:43 PM ET (US) Vivax thinks you're scum and I'm not entirely sure. can you fill me in on his reasons? 8 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) This only lasts until daybreak So i had vivax down as scum until he made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18089009Basically he thought my mason logs were faked due to timestamps, and he called me out on it. He hadn't corrected for timezones so it looked like I posted a huge post in the QT at the same time as I did in the thread (within like a minute). I don't think scum would be trying to prove my logs were fake via timestamp since scum would know (or at least have no reason to doubt) my mason claim. Aside from that, he's played pretty scummy, but pushing a line of inquiry like that really relies on _believing_ your target is lying. It would have been a waste of time if he was scum, and he'd know that. GK, yeah not scum. Ace lynch was pretty shit but honestly it's just kicking a dead horse at this point. I don't even know what VE is doing any more, but this isn't the town VE I'm used to. I'll be pushing him more and voting him if I'm alive tomorrow. 7 K 03-21-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Goodkarma, hes not scum. I believe Vivax could be mafia still but i am not sure at all 6 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Mocsta is also a chaotic little fellow and he called me a troll so i dont like him by default 5 K 03-21-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) Reading the thread made me forget that you mentioned coag. i dont care! He's not interesting 4 K 03-21-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) how long does this mason last? If its only for the night cycle, poor choice cause I have an exam tomorrow lol. im annoyed how ace got lynched for no good reason. honestly, im really mad at this town. i think this town is a big pile of dogshit. im not allowed to say that in the thread though but seriously, ACE LYNCH? also, why were people taking DP seriously for the gk lynch? why didnt they counterattack DP? He's obviously fucking scum. So is Wiggles. Forget Vivax, these guys make it so obvious that theyre scum. Like, wtf? Also, i dont understand the craze about sciberbia. He has a good rep but honestly, i don't get good vibes from him at all. Although VE is a nulltell, i think a lynch on him would be much more crucial than some random lynch on Ace. He has barely played so far and he gets lynched without even being able to defend himself. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS TOWN??? 3 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) Coag is almost certainly town. He's doing his best to pry apart bad arguments and pressure people for answers, even in his coag-ey way. 2 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) so what's up you around or are we just being afk 1 Blazinghand 03-21-2013 01:20 PM ET (US) hello my gentle friend This log is full of nothing but them pretty much saying to each other exactly what they say in the thread. Note that they don't ask each other any questions or interact at all. It strikes me as being very staged. On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:
I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable.
Town
testsubject###
Teepeeshooter
waveofshadow
coagulation
Mafia
Wiggles
DarthPunk
zarepath (intuitive)
My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Notice how he put "Town" in red. Subconscious slip. Also, notice how all of his mafia are town (I have the benefit of knowing this for 100 percent, but hopefully I am an easy enough town read at this point for the rest of you for this to be as substantial a point from your perspective). On March 23 2013 22:26 Kenpachi wrote:
I fell asleep on you guys lol. I merely thought DarthPunk was scummy for his push on Goodkarma when goodkarma is one of the least scummiest players in the game at that point tbh. But since BH flipped scum and VE is likely town so I'm inclined to retract my claim off of him. Wasn't Kenpachi the one trying to boldly lynch GK? The rest of his filter is complaining about the town being so awful, and him mentioning how awful he is (I haven't read his filter at all lol, I was way off on that guy lol, etc.). This guy looks SCUM. nice. you isolated the piece of art for me. I really do like that you tunneled the shit out of all my posts to make them look scummy. Also, you seriously just spearheaded into all my post with no context whatsoever. im done.
So let me get this straight. You proceed to post nothing of substance and skirt by all game posting one liners and when we are at lylo and someone calls you out for this bullshit you decide to ALT+F4 the game?
douchebag.
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nou. I'm done with him i ment
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So Kenpachi why shouldn't we lynch you? You have always been that player that people can't read because you literally contribute and do nothing every game. You are the player we should lynch Day 1 regardless of alignment because if we ever get to lylo with you then we are fucked because you have never written anything of context. However, at some point I'm going to have to pull the trigger and kill you so tell me, why shouldn't I do it today?
I have a list of people, a list of people I believe likely to be scum. This list is comprised of 4 individuals with one alternate. I have another list of 5 people I am certain are town. The last individual is the alternate. I spent roughly 6 hours last night combing through the whole thread and this is the culmination of my work.
You are not on the town list. So give me a reason why you think you wouldn't be on the mafia list?
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lol I'm not surprised because this town is literally in the shitters. I'm fairly confident you and Zarepath aren't mafia but I have no idea how you're certain about anyone else at this point.
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Also if I'm not on the town list, then I'm inclined to believe you're full of shit and need to review your work again
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I will vote kita for now. Because i believe hes very likely scum, after a brief review of ryus filter, mostly the time around ccs lynch i'm not so sure on him anymore. Will further review the filters of both kita and ryu later tonight.
Right now i place my vote on kita.
##Vote: kita
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What i like of everyone is a read on kita and ryu, i'm satisfied with a one word read. (i.e. scum/town/null)
Just to see if anyone even thinks one of them as town.
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Oh man.
Fuck Ryu and kita, fuck glurio, fuck me and everyone else who you people think are potentially scummy thus far (for now) because I have a sure scum lynch today.
This case is gonna take me a while but I'm thinking this might be my best one yet. (Thank goodness)
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Why DoYouHas is SCUM
Alright well aside from the obvious reason I'm voting him right now (no excuses for being afk with 12 hours left to LYLO - esepcially since he has been somewhat active every other day of this game) I have a whole bunch more. Let's begin, shall we?
Day 1
On March 17 2013 11:46 DoYouHas wrote:
BH, I said I hadn't looked into GK's meta yet (thanks for providing links). I do think layabout/kita/wiggles have all made valid points against him. I'm withholding my vote until I go through the meta and his promised case.
Right now I'm taking a break for food and TV. But when I come back from that my first order of business is to get my thoughts on zarepath out since that looks like it might get some traction. After that I will get my thoughts straight on GK and stop this 'maybe i will, maybe i won't' crap.
This is the best summary anyone can give of his play throughout the entirety of Day 1. Makes a whole bunch of noncommittal reads on a whole bunch of people while never coming out and saying anything regarding them actually being scum, just stuff like:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 11:03 DoYouHas wrote:- TPS needs to come back and address more than just Coag. BH's points are not enough to get my vote at the moment, but his case gets stronger the longer TPS isn't posting. - My second read-through has me agreeing with Kita, Layabout, and MrWiggles' points against GK, that is where my vote is going if my opinion doesn't change after looking into the meta that BH brought up and after reading GK's promised case. - Greymist's lack of recent posting is disturbing. First he says: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:28 GreYMisT wrote:
First off, fairly busy today, so I'll be more active in around 5 hours.
But what does he actually post in his 'active period'? Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 03:08 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 02:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I THOUGHT THIS WAS EXPLICIT by pregame talk and the OP.
This is a NORMAL game with a few minor twists and maybe 1 or 2 roles that are out of the ordinary. Not every role in that list is necessarily in the game. This is not Insane Mafia 3. Nor is it Aperture Mafia 2.This is most basically a normal game with a lot of flavor. It's fair to speculate because the setup is mysterious but don't go too far with it, this is a normal game. Aperture mafia 2 already happened. Considering the number of people that find him suspicious, i would think GM would be more inclined to post than he is showing.
- I am also suspicious of Zarepath, Vivax, and Ryu. More on them later, I don't want to split my focus too much. On March 17 2013 07:15 DoYouHas wrote:Scib caught my eye with his first post against geript + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote:I've got some stuff to say about geriptShow nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote:
geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:24 geript wrote:
Didn't Layabout say that I couldn't use that rng though? Now I have to use my more complex one. The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:48 geript wrote:
Well if that's how this game is going to start, then I think I'd rather just go to bed as well. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. , mainly because he had some thoughts at the end of his post that I agreed with, yet came to a very different conclusion than me on geript's alignment. What bothers me about his post is that it is the kind of post you make when you want to push a wagon, but it has no vote. The two logical things that you do when you find someone scummy is you try and get more information, or you try and get them lynched. I don't feel like Scib's post fit either of those goals. It bothers me. I don't really have a conclusion to this, Scib's other posts don't raise red flags for me and what I have is not enough to turn him scum. I just want to hear more from Scib.
His first solid scumread is on Zarepath but his reasoning completely lacks substance.
On March 18 2013 08:57 DoYouHas wrote:
Vote: zarepath
Something that has been bothering me for a while now is how zarepath has been put on the back-burner. Similar to how people are dealing with Coag but with much less reason. With the exception of Vivax, nobody has really defending zare. It is like everyone took a look at the points against zare and said, "yeah, that does look bad, let's move on". Am I alone in thinking that it is suspicious that there was so little opposition to us pushing zare, yet it gained so little traction? Obviously some townies just prefer their own choice and are going to push it. But I can't shake the feeling that zare is getting pushed off the consideration table, not because he is a worse candidate, but because scum are invested in changing the focus.
I know that above paragraph isn't super logical, it is my intuition. But when I pair it with the points made earlier by myself and scib I definitely want to lynch zarepath today.
He even acknowledges himself that this post makes no sense yet still points heavy suspicion in red and Zare and yet fails to vote for him. That's real commitment right thurr. He then appears to realize this probably isn't good enough so he resorts to filter diving, making sure rather than consolidating he has to appear like he's doing something.
On March 18 2013 09:56 DoYouHas wrote:Here are a bunch of zarepath's past filters, let's get to digging: This Town Ain't Big Enough VTNMMXXXVII VTNMMXXXVI VTAnd if you dig really far back you get his 1 scum game, which also happens to be the first game I played on TL as well. I don't know how well his scum meta would have held up as this game is more than a year old (Jan. 2012), and he has played a fair bit since. NMMIII Goon
Like, why make this post without actually giving us some information about these games? "Guys look at me! I'm looking into my scumread's meta! Look at how helpful I'm being!"
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 12:07 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 11:43 sciberbia wrote:
Kitaman, do you have an opinion on zarepath?
Also DYH, did you find anything interesting in zarepath's meta?
I guess I'll go make a votecount myself. Seems like we are between zarepath and greymist tho. I did find some interesting corroborating evidence in his meta, but I also ran into a some frustration in the form of his old scum game that I can't decide whether or not is a good heuristic. I can't really compare activity between his past games and this one because we know that he can't be as active on weekends, and that has cut down his post count for this day 1. What I looked at was tone. Hopeless, Scib, and I all separately took issue with the tone of zarepath's posts. Hopeless thought that he seemed like he was looking for things to say, stances to take. Scib thought that his heart wasn't in it, that he was producing generic pro-town advice to fake being town. I said that I felt like his scumhunting felt shallow, that he was shuffling players into his suspicions using silly categories. That kind of critique could not be made of the day1 posts of those 3 town games I linked earlier. In those games his tone is very active, even when he is uncertain (Clicky). Note that in that post his tone is completely different than what we have seen in this game, it looks like he isn't just commenting, he is participating. The one big thing I would draw your attention to in that post is that he states, "My reads are all very close to null at this point on everyone. ". At this point in that game he has even fewer solid reads than he has shown in this one. And yet, his tone is so incredibly superior.
The frustration comes with his really old scum game. Some things fit: the posting of generic pro-town advice, the passive tone in a lot of his posts. Other things do not: the bold strokes of suggesting an rng lynch right off the bat, the hard defense of the day1 townie lynch, and the way he responds to slOosh's case. I can't decide whether or not to throw out this game because of it's age or to leave it in there and just have it be a non-alignment indicative piece of evidence.
tl;dr - I think zarepath's meta supports him being scum this game mainly by analyzing tone. (PS. Please check me on all this, I don't want to be screwed by confirmation bias.)
Here he gets to the meta analysis. What do we learn from this heavy analysis that he does (to me it looked like he only read the first post of each game, but whatever)? Nothing at all. He is fine to tell us that the meta makes zare look scummy but his own analysis he says is inconclusive based on his scumgame evidence being way too old. Why bother bringing it up? When someone makes a case they're either trying to get discussion going about a target or they're trying to paint him as scum and get the town to vote for him. DYH finds a way to be wishy-washy enough to do neither and both and the same time. He eventually votes for Zare who appears to be his top scumread but then at the beginning of Night 2 decides to just dump all of that by the wayside and focus on blaming Ryu's case causing the mislynch of GreYMisT.
Night 1
Not much to say here. Accuses me of scumslipping, admits it's weak, backs off. Calls out Ryu, admits it's weak, backs off.
Day 2
Keir is killed, immediately drops his scumread on Zare. I sense a pattern here!
Today is interesting because this is the BH blue-claim. Apart from his very first post on the matter, DYH seems to have no opinion regarding BH whatsoever. He treads extremely carefully every time BH is mentioned so much so that it stands out to me. Refuses to acknowledge whether he believes BH is town or scum.
On March 20 2013 05:05 DoYouHas wrote:@Vivax - You are ignoring the obvious explanation for the supposed slip you are trying to nail BH with. "Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT(So BH made one himself) so I'll drop some stuff in here(here being the QT BH just made) since I have to step out for a moment."It is far more probable than your theory that BH made a QT, the hosts were made aware of it, and they just stuck with that QT for the BH-GK masoning. The slip you found simply isn't. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok found it.
It's the timestamps that bother me.
Between BH and GK, (the ones Vivax suspects of being a scumteam-fabricated QT/logs) every single post has a fairly decent size berth in between; the smallest one being 3 minutes right at the end, the next smallest being 5 minutes (2-lines) and every one after that being 12 min or longer in between posts. This means that it's POSSIBLE that they were fabricating these posts in the scum QT in between. This isn't possible in the VE-BH logs, as there is evidence of free-flowing quick conversation taking place with multiple 2-minute spaces in between posts from both of them.
Also of course the fact that they didn't even start contacting each other until much later in the day either means
a) they were planning in the scum QT
b) BH didn't send his mason request till late (can be a subset of (a), null)
c) he's telling the truth and DrH didn't set up the QT until later.
The post where Vivax outlines the slip makes option (c) seem VERY odd so the scummier options seem more likely here.
Now this could all be Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ but I figure it's worth putting out there to see what people think. @WOS You are supposing that BH, GK, and possibly VE all coordinated enough to create these false logs, yet you don't think they could have changed the timestamps to make the exchange look more genuine? If you think the logs are faked, analyzing the timestamps like you are is worthless.
He soft defends BH all day while being very careful not to mention his own thoughts on BH's alignment. This post is but one example of him Chainsawing VE.
On March 21 2013 07:21 DoYouHas wrote:
So here is an interesting thing, VE. If you think that there is a decent chance that The Mirror is scum, why are you still pushing the idea that BH is scum mason. Do you really think that mafia have 2 masoning roles?
Here again, knowing what we now know this looks incredibly scummy. Another soft defense while at the same time being very careful to discredit VE at the same time.
On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon.
1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum.
2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1. I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph. 1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1. 2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2. 3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.Vote: TestSubject893PS. Sorry to hear about your RL issues, but you are scum.
Oh look, another soft defense of BH. His entire effort on Day 2 is dedicated to pushing VE and pressuring him while at the same time defending BH to keep him in the game as long as possible. Even more interesting is the ridiculous chainsaw he pulls on TestSubject after the spammy interaction between Test and BH. Hasn't VE been DYH's main scumread and focus all day? So why is it that when Testsubject appears to agree with him, he immediately changes his vote??
In keeping with the DYH theme, he gets called out for making a bad case once more and not 2 hours later, he realizes how scummy that vote switch makes him look and he changed it to an easy target, Wiggles.
On March 21 2013 10:38 DoYouHas wrote:
I don't think there is a 3rd party in this game.
The reason everyone starting jumping on VE is because he left his acceptance line in the logs, right?
That means that everyone who initially jumped on VE is accepting that the 3rd party recruiting mechanic is based off getting players to choose an option that is against their current faction's win condition. I can't be the only one that finds that ridiculous in general and not at all likely for a 'normal' game?
In fact, can anyone give me a 3rd party recruitment mechanic that doesn't involve standard press-ganging of people from their current faction that actually makes sense in the context of what was in those logs and isn't ridiculous to the point of not possibly being in a 'normal' game? And if the recruitment mechanic is in some way a press-gang mechanic, how is that supported at all by the log or the context?
But what if VE was recruited from the start and they faked the logs? Not possible, if VE was recruited from the start we never would have gotten the initial post where he says he has been contacted by The Mirror.
There are only 2 explanations that actually work with the given information.
1. VE is scum and fabricated the whole thing. I don't think this is true because it would be a high effort, high risk, low reward move. He had just claimed Vet, adding this on top doesn't make sense.
2. The Mirror is a mafia mason, and used that power to spread misinformation. It explains why the recruitment mechanics don't add up. It explains why VE was chosen, he had just outed the first person who masoned him. It explains why The Mirror didn't seem to care after VE outed him.
I still have my couple points that don't add up pre-3p that pointed to VE being scummy, but if I am right about the 3p situation, and I think I am, it trumps all of my earlier suspicions.
VE is town.
I'm moving my vote to Wiggles, who seems to be the only other viable option.
Unvote: TestSubject893
Vote: Mr. Wiggles
The bolded section is pretty huge. Aside from DYH now flip-flopping to defend VE (again, not scummy on its own) despite jumping on the bandwagon for the exact same reason he is now calling others out for, look at his explanations for possible scenarios. He knows who the mafia mason is, and sees a perfect opportunity to deflect the threat. It also gives him an opportunistic explanation of the mafia mason role but in doing so, HE SCUMSLIPS. What he is describing is exactly the opposite of what occurred with BH after VE outed him to make him look completely different from what the ACTUAL scum mason did. BH got outed by VE who cared enough to risk a fake-claim, and by saying that a scum mason wouldn't care about that he attempts to get the heat off BH once again. Also take into account his prior knowledge of VE being town, and that there are very obviously more than 2 explanations as to what works with the 'given information' but DYH chooses to omit those other explanations; something scum needs to do.
DYH's ENTIRE DAY 2 IS DEDICATED TO DEFENDING BH.
Good rationale for your Wiggles vote btw, DYH.
On March 21 2013 12:42 DoYouHas wrote:I like your case on Ace, MrWiggles, I like it a lot. It also doesn't hurt that you happen to agree with me on the scum mason thing. Unvote: Mr. Wiggles
Vote: AceTo add to your point of him trying to get us to talk about fruitless subjects here is an exchange that could very well have been exactly that: + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. On March 19 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. same On March 19 2013 16:06 Ace wrote:
why? On March 19 2013 16:12 Ace wrote:
How does Keirathi's death paint zarepath as innocent? On March 19 2013 16:26 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 19 2013 16:05 DoYouHas wrote:
Gotta say, that instantly makes me like a zarepath lynch much less. Im not following? Its all WIFOM right? If you want more WIFOM, Kei just caught VE in hydra.... Yes, my thinking could be reduced to WIFOM but here it is anyways. Scum priorities for NKs tend to fall along what threatens them the most balanced with a risk/reward assessment. If zare is scum, then the people threatening him right now are myself, Scib, and Vivax (off the top of my head). Vivax might be slightly less of a threat, as people have repeatedly ignored some of the things he says. But both Scib and I are extremely hard lynches at the moment, being considered townie by practically all of the thread (if I have read correctly). This makes Scib and I, and to a lesser degree, Vivax, logical targets IF zarepath is scum, and IF he was feeling the pressure. BH is another logical target if his roleclaim is true (I think it is, but can't be 100% sure). Now consider possible Medic protections. BH has claimed blue which could likely pull a medic's attention. Scib is probably the most townie and biggest threat in general, also a good chance of protection. But that still leaves myself and Vivax as pretty safe targets. Yes, this is WIFOM, but if I was scum this is how I would sift possible targets IF I was worried about zare getting lynched D2. Instead we get a Keirathi kill. A good kill because he is a solid town player, but by killing a replacement player who had very little time to put forth his opinions my guess is that scum is less worried about the track town is currently on, and more worried about a new voice providing a course correction. Ace tried to get responses from scib and I that lay out WIFOM thinking that is generally unhelpful, and could potentially waste the time of town if it hadn't been shut down quickly by BH and Moc after I indulged. There are other explanations, but for any of them to work Ace would have had to follow through with his questions in one form or another, he does not.
Sigh, another lame vote switch. DYH isn't even trying to hide it now.
Day 3
+ Show Spoiler +On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:Ok, so I checked in to see the flips right after the deadline, shut off my computer, and tried to go to sleep because I need to get up early tomorrow. I couldn't sleep, the flips have given me a sudden clarity to my reads and my brain wouldn't stop going. I think I have greatly narrowed the number of suspects. - Testsubject: Claimed the vigi hit on BH, no reason to disbelieve. Town. - VE - At this point he is as close to guaranteed not-mafia as we are ever going to get, town or 3p. - Zarepath - Very likely to be town. The quality of his posts has been going up as the game progresses and I just don't see how scum zarepath posts this about me. - WoS & TPS: I believe WoS's claim, but even if I didn't I would take him off the table for today's lynch because of it. Also, TPS seems cleared both by WoS's check and the fact that he was BH's first choice of tunnel. - kitaman27: Seems quite townie to me. I don't know if anybody would disagree with me on this point. - layabout: Similar to kita in my mind, if a little less verbose, town or 3p. - Coag and Kenpachi: I read both as town, possible 3p. It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today. That is 10/17 people who's opinion I think I can trust (including my own). This narrows my field of search to just 7 names: DP, Trance, glurio, CC, geript, Ryu, and Wiggles. Some of which I find scummy, some of which I am null on currently, and some of which I just haven't looked into enough. And no, I'm not going to say which is which. I've shot myself in the foot using this kind of reasoning before when I thought I had the whole scumteam pegged. But really I was 2/4, and in my attempts to convict them all I alienated the 2 townies in the group, lost their votes and had the lynch manipulated to the wrong target. If you disagree strongly with the people in either of these groups, I want to hear it. But if I am not completely out of touch with this game, and I correctly identified most of the townies, and those same townies also see it this way, we just created a majority, so long as we can actually work together to pick the best lynch candidate. Remember, if you are in my second group, I'm not calling you scum yet, and clearly I would be wrong about at least 3 of you. I want your comments too. I want to refine this list of reads until scum have nowhere left to hide. Hopefully I will be able to sleep now that I have gotten this out of my head. Gnight.
WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. What the hell is this list even supposed to accomplish? He says he has narrowed the list of suspects yet he lists half the players in the game, calls some town, some 3rd party despite the fact that HE ASSUMED THERE WAS NO 3RD PARTY YESTERDAY. Of his supposed scum list 2 have already flipped town.
On March 23 2013 07:10 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 23 2013 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
I am definitely taking another look at Ryu today, I just am woefully ignorant of glurio's filter. That is why I picked it.
VE, what are your thoughts on DP? You agreed in day1(maybe N1) that your initial case on him was bad. Has he stayed on your radar or have you avoided him? He still hasn't done anything that screams town to me. He's doing a good job of at least OMGUSing engaging people who are suspicious of them, but beyond that there isn't much that indicates scumhunting. Which is odd considering his intimate interaction with the Ace lynch. What is making DP stick out to me (and why I need to look into him more) is that I'm getting a disconnect from when I played with him in Witchcraft. I was scum and he was town. In Witchcraft he was still abrasive, but he was also constructive. By the end of day1 he had established himself as townie, second only to Hapa. I wasn't the only one who felt like that either, in Witchcraft people voted in town power roles, we killed DP because it was clear that the town sentiment leaned towards him being town enough that we were comfortable shooting him with a silver bullet (we were right, he died). I have not seen that active, pro-town DP from Witchcraft this game. I encourage you to take a look at that game. Also, he has 9 pages of filter and I feel like I know very little about where he stands. Maybe that is just me being inattentive, but it might be a signal that he is flying under the radar.
He appears to start zoning into his supposed scumlist but once again, DYH says a lot while saying absolutely nothing. Flings suspicion around and then once again, 3 posts later:
On March 23 2013 08:10 DoYouHas wrote:
Yeah... I'm pretty confident that DP is actually town. Unlike Wiggles, DP actually looks better for the BH flip. He has more than a few interactions with BH that seem very genuine. The way he defends himself is solid, the way he pursued his WoS suspicion but then is ready to drop it after WoS's claim. The way he interacted with Scib and went after layabout. Everything reads pretty townie.
@Kenpachi - What are your reasons for having DP as one of your top scum reads?
Has DYH even dropped a solid scumread with some evidence to back it up all game? All he has been doing the entire game is throwing suspicion around, waiting to be proved wrong and flip-flopping his reads. He has flown under the radar mostly because he has actually attempted to make it look like he is contributing, and doing a much better job of it than many of the other people we have found scummy this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2013 14:34 DoYouHas wrote:
@DP - I think it is safe to say that VE was town when BH masoned him. The logical way for a townie mason to operate is to mason other townies to improves scumhunting. Masoning scumreads is only likely to get you killed. Because of this I think it is reasonable to assume that BH would choose townies to start off with, that way he could justify his choices if he had to claim and would also have 2 townies that would likely be on his side because he was 'right' and discussed in-thread action with them. Also, the sequence of events just seems unbelievable for scum to make up. VE starts with a super-spotlight grabbing idea (SAST), follows it with revealing BH as a mason, then claims vet, then reveals a 3p with the acceptance line in it. The way that VE has pursued scum reads has sometimes been scummy, but almost everything else surrounding him points to town/3p.
Right now what concerns me the most are the people who have been coming in from time to time with large, thought out, persuasive posts. Unfortunately that is not a small group this game. I refuse to believe that even this town has utterly failed to provide any good analysis on people. So when I see that over the course of day2 we managed to put forth 3 townies and 1 probable townie as the lynch options, I have to think that town is being manipulated.
My advice if I happen to die tonight is to treat tomorrow like a second day1. Wipe the slate clean for everyone, IE your town/scum leanings, and proceed as if it was day1 with a ton of source material to talk about. We are all making assumptions that are screwing us, let go of your current scum reads, look at the game with fresh eyes, and see if you come to the same conclusion or if someone new sticks out to you even more.
Hmm. So he identifies the problem as the people who ahve come in, made massive posts and disappeared. In other words, not him. He also slips nicely here; in the first part of the second paragraph he asks us to wipe our slates clean and then he only asks us to drop our scum reads. That's pretty suspicious. Who are our scumreads at this point in the day that we need to eliminate, and why only the scumreads?
On March 25 2013 14:16 Coagulation wrote:
ryu and geript are who im looking at for lynch tomorrow. I dont think WOS has faked his claim. Kenpachi looks legit cosmicomic im 50/50 on I dont really know if anything I have seen makes him scummy. doyouhas is flying low. kita has also been flying real low. Hes ignoring me alot too I dunno why. Same with Dbz. Only people who are not ignoring me are people who never played with me before. anyway im town. I know it looks like shit that I wanted to lynch wiggles but I honestly considered him a good chance to flip scum.
On March 25 2013 14:15 DarthPunk wrote:Hi I've been reading the thread but to be honest I am pretty disheartened with the whole situation. For what it's worth I have a solid town read on Wave of shadow. Somethings I didn't;t like recently. Show nested quote +On March 25 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys I'm back. Reading now
gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit. This is the second time Viscera Eyes has said something similar to this and just disappeared afterwards. These false promises of activity are really scummy. VE was a really really solid scum read of mine until his claim. I think it would have been retarded to fake claim by holding back KP day one. But not impossible. He is a question that needs to be solved. But honestly I am too worried about mislynching to take a risk on VE. Maybe he is the best choice. IDK. The other thing I didn;t like was this. Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote:I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why? Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 22:03 glurio wrote:
Well didn't think that would happen.
Can we lynch cosmicomics now please? These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely.
Could it be that DYH was swooping in to make us drop our reads because we're finally onto something? I'm not sure honestly, that's WIFOM. Once again he does make a nice show of trying to be the voice of reason here despite the fact that he's done nothing in 2 days.
DYH's final efforts before disappearing for the day have been a push on layabout, calling him 3rd party despite the fact that he didn't originally believe the role existed (or was that just to protect BH? I guess he can't get his stories straight). I don't want to make an association case here but it certainly looks as though scum are actually starting to worry about the 3rd party issue here and are trying to eliminate it as a threat (which they succeeded at, apparently) but guessed partially wrong. One of the hardest pushes DYH has made in days and it's on layabout? This late in the game I think we come down to the crux of the issue. It makes absolutely no sense to bus this late in the game therefore I legitimately believe that DYH and layabout MUST have different alignments; that DYH is scum and layabout was converted town. At this point in the game DYH was attempting to be that 'little voice of reason' he has attempted to make a big show of all game, and he disappeared long before the cc flip to avoid any suspicion if cc did flip town. He didn't even need to consolidate with the rest of his team who had apparently decided that cc was much more dangerous as 3rd party OR town than layabout.
And so we come to the end of it. If anyone has anything to add to this case, PLEASE do so, and if anyone has any critiques by all means, bring them. We are need of a strong case today and I would like to hope that this one can be it; whether it needs to be helped along or torn down is up for discussion now.
Summary:
DoYouHas has constantly and consistently flown under the radar. He has made no consistent reads without WIFOMing them to hell all on his own and has made a great show of attempting to contribute to discussion when all he does is derail it and add no useful information himself. We have 12 hours to go at LYLO and he has not shown himself.
DoYouHas is scum and must be lynched today.
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On March 30 2013 03:03 Kenpachi wrote:
lol I'm not surprised because this town is literally in the shitters. I'm fairly confident you and Zarepath aren't mafia but I have no idea how you're certain about anyone else at this point.
Because I spent hours going over this game yesterday. It was tough picking out a mafia team and a lot of it had to do with excluding people from the possibility of being mafia. Like I said, you don't post shit so I have very little to work with. You give me no evidence to clear you, and give me nothing truly specific I can think of off the top of my head to denounce you as scum. Meaning, you are likely scum just floating by.
On March 30 2013 03:04 Kenpachi wrote:
Also if I'm not on the town list, then I'm inclined to believe you're full of shit and need to review your work again
And what the fuck have you done this game to dismiss my reads? I haven't seen you do anything. If I think you are scum I'd rather kill you sooner than later because with the way you play (or lack of playing) it's hard to get a read, and I'd rather not hinge on giving you more time to do dick all then wasting a few day cycles and being right/wrong on you then. I might as well kill you sooner and spare myself the pain of wasting more time hoping you do something that indicates your affiliation, because if I'm going to lose by lynching you I'd rather do it sooner than later and save some time.
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DYH is not scum and I won't be voting for him.
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Kita, what are your thoughts on Kenpachi?
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On March 30 2013 05:12 ThePeashooter wrote:
DYH is not scum and I won't be voting for him.
Really? That's all you can give me? Reasoning?
On March 29 2013 14:23 ThePeashooter wrote:Anyway moving on. I was planning on writing a big case, but I know this is going to give me sick amounts of joy. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:43 Wade Fell wrote:On March 18 2013 10:19 sciberbia wrote:yesterday: On March 17 2013 15:30 geript wrote:
I don't see any evidence from that game that Zarepath thought that claiming or not claiming town was in anyway alignment indicative. I also don't see how he would've formed a different opinion on the matter as I'm not aware of other games he's played in the mean time. The Zarepath that I remember from NMM37 was reasonable and interacted with the thread more. This Zarepath looks intentionally dense. I'm personally pissed that Sciberbia stole my thunder. Zarepath is SCUM.
On March 18 2013 00:30 geript wrote:
Fine, what are your reservations on a zarepath lynch? On March 18 2013 00:56 geript wrote:
Sorry, missed that last line. Ok, then other than the quoting thing are there other reasons to be voting for TPS over Zarepath? today: On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that. On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait. Does anyone else find this sequence of posts disturbing? Geript was clearly a big fan of lynching zarepath yesterday. He was in fact pushing the zarepath lynch. Since yesterday, zarepath looks if anything scummier, and the bandwagon on him has gotten stronger, and suddenly geript refuses to lynch him anymore. I can't help but wonder if the geript + zarepath theory was right all along. I don't like how Zarepath has been posting recently. His initial fearless posting (link)(link), however ill-advised it may have been, seemed to me to be townie. That plus my personal history with geript has led me to go soft on the two of them. I don't like that zarepath has become apologetic (link) and reserved (link), and his posting has gone down so much as the pressure has ramped up. That being said, his initial townlike recklessness and unthinkingness in posting resonates with me. His posting pattern tells me "town player who has no clue what he's doing" because of his initial earnestness. I will give him a second chance.GreYMisT, on the other hand, does not deserve another chance. GK already went over the initial scumminess in GreYMisT's entry into the game; the active lurking (link), the "trap" that (link) even viewed in the best possible light, is a noncase and a vote-threat that doesn't directly mean anything. "I was a potential mislynch, so the guy who pushed me is scum" is not a reasonable case, and if GreYMisT were like Grush or something I'd be like "wow Grush is Grush" but GM is in fact GM and not Grush. He opposed my meta read on GK (link) saying "that's just how GK thinks" without actually referencing a game of GK playing scum and acting like this. He made a meta read not based on GK's scum meta, but on... well, his word. I've exetensively provided reasoning for why GK is playing to his town and not scum meta, and everyone who's actually clicked through on my links has at least in part agreed with me. So what's with GreYMisT? He acts like he has a meta read on GK of "GK always posts like this as town or scum" but has NO EVIDENCE. He admits GK's actions could be town or scum (link) and after asserting that GK's actions are null, says he still wants to lynch GK (link) (link) only later supplementing his so-called "case" on GK with a one-liner (link) that actually literally refuses to engage with GK's defense. GreYMisT has slipped up badly-- he's accidentally let us peek behind the curtain at the man who doesn't think GK is scum but wants to lynch him anyways, the man who claims to have a meta read on GK but won't share details and has opted out of the town discourse as a result of his fixation on GK. If GreYMisT were really after GK, and REALLY had something to say about my meta defense of GK, He'd say it. He'd have said it. He'd have shouted it to the heavens, linked and quoted the evidence, and bitch-slapped me like the young punk I am. GreYMisT has blinked, multiple times, because his town play is interfering with his ability push a mislynch as scum. He is scum, and GK is town. We all know this to be true. ##unvote
##vote GreYMisT If you would all direct yourself to the bolded. Zarepath is scum. This is a classic "Hold off on X for now" and then redirecting the lynch. I just spent an hour comparing timestamps and if you look closely it lines up with when the lynch train got diverted off Zare when he was surely about to die. A scum BH would have literally no incentive to soft protect Zare from being a Day 1 lynch. He followed it up by hard pushing greymist.
I know poor little BH can't respond, but it's going to give me immense satisfaction by spending the entire game day using his own posts to rape his entire scum team.
Hey so...12 hours left, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR.
You spent 6 hours reading the thread and all you have time for is to exchange pithy comments with Kenpachi and ask questions to people who clearly aren't responding? For somebody who has been pretty condescending all game of other people's playstyles yours is fucking awful. You told me earlier if we were at LYLO you were actually going to put forth effort to help us win this game but so far I haven't seen it.
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yeah lets get the wagon rolling then.
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yo guys I'm still at work so I'll be busy for a few more hours, but I'm on a short break.
DYH still not showing up means he's almost certainly scum. I'm with WoS on this. His case is also very good, particularly the part about DYH "narrowing" the list of suspects. It's clear that DYH was trying to set up lynches by the look of his posts.
It's also pretty scary that no one else is willing to lynch DYH. (or zarepath for that matter).
##unvote
##vote DoYouHas
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Don't think DYH is scum.
Really can't see anything really groundbreaking and/or convincing about your case WoS. Sorry.
How about your thoughts on kita or ryu?
Ryus blatant sheeping onto that weak case on DYH i find pretty alarming.
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so you think the guy who is literally not here is townier than me.
Seems legit.
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