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On March 21 2013 14:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 21 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 14:07 Mocsta wrote:
(1) I dont think the solid makes a lot of worst-case leaps of faith
(2) Since when you do you vote for your scum reads suspect?.. YOU KNWO THIS.. IN NOMINATION MAFIA
AS SCUM.. U DROPPED YOUR SCUM READ ON PALMAR, TO FOLLOW PALMAR SCUM READ: PRPLHZ
EBWOP (1) I dont htink the case is solid as it makes a lot of worst-case leaps of faith Explain The case provides explanation for Ace behaviour. In doing so, it takes worst-case scenarios. Why cant Ace be like me.. a guy who got bored reading the thread and decided to comment on the live situation? Frankly. i wasnt a fan of Ace play last night.. but i think its pretty extreme to insta-declare that as scummy. Yes, i wanted him to follow through on his "pro-town" comments.. but frankly.. does he actually know many of the players in this game? perhaps he is sussing out the situation still? i dunno.. i jsut think wiggles is taking worst-case option for each point. A townie case should consider both sides of the fence, and come to a well-reasonsed stance. I felt the case reads beautifully, but lacks consideration of a town-Ace... In factnow that i think about it.. wiggles is aware of this, because the "town motivation" is based on the meta component he incorporated which as i said before is one game in the many many games Ace has played. Of course its easy to find one game that supports the claim. ============= In fact.. the addition of the meta case, to strengthen the argument is pretty scummy. I could swing to a wiggles vote based on that action.
Lol Mocsta, I don't like Wriggles or anything but even I thought his case was decent.
I really think you're overthinking things right now. You have a tendency to do that.
I have no clue what the significance of Geript's scumreads are right now but the guy makes a point: we have 1.5 hours left and I am going to bed soon.
I don't like the idea of voting for someone who's not going to hang so can we as a town please agree to disagree on some things and figure out wtf we're doing?
Can we get a vote count?
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On March 21 2013 14:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
WaveOfShadow sir. You have claimed Cop. You are now medic priority #1. As payment for this luxury, you are now required to give your full opinion on the Ace Case by Wiggles.
Wat.
Why do I have to do that? I'm not voting Wiggle or Ace this time around....at least I don't think.
BTW VE I think I'm going to believe your claims. I see a young me in them, railing against world for the silly plays he made.
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Also TPS/glurio/Kenpachi vote targets make me laugh.
But also cry a little inside.
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On March 21 2013 14:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not railing against anything. Why are you unwilling to lynch Ace?
On March 21 2013 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:47 TranceStorm wrote:
Look. I read through all of the cases, and with all of them there is some doubt as to how true they might be. I cannot see any reason why not to vote for Ace. Everyone else who hasn't voted for him gives some skimpy reason for not doing so. For example, Mocsta argues that Hopeless1der didn't appear to be that scummy. That doesn't matter, if someone appears to be town on D1, but really scummy on D2 that shouldn't mean that you should withhold your vote. This may be the worst reasoning for a vote I have ever heard. First of all, can you name all the people who haven't voted for Ace and their skimpy reasoning? You know what, I'll help you out: me.
My reasoning was that Wriggle made the case and I don't trust him after contributing nothing all day and saving it all up to blow his load and fuck with thread sentiment right before deadline. You say if someone appears town but scummy on D2 I shouldn't withhold my vote...well that's precisely what I thought of Wriggle this entire day. Should I vote for him?What's YOUR reason for voting Ace? Not Wriggle's not Mocsta's not mine, not Vivax's, YOURS. Don't tell me why it's dumb other people aren't voting for him, and especially don't give shitty reasons as to why it's dumb. For fuck sakes you YOURSELF had a scumread on Wiggle and you turn it around without a second thought?
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DP, thoughts if it comes down to Ace or VE?
I value your opinion sir.
+ Show Spoiler +I think I may be forced to vote Ace if it comes down to it, my gut's telling me VE was telling the truth about his retarded 3rd party bullshit. I have to kinda sympathize 'cause I know I could fuck something like that up similarly.
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So looking at the vote count all the votes on VE currently are people who are not likely to return to the thread before deadline, read: sheep voted and fucked off.
There is so much WTF spread over the low count votes I don't even know where to begin.
The only logical choices I see right now are Wiggle/GK/VE/Ace.
Ideally I'd like to leave my vote on GK since I trust DPs read on him and am openly sheeping based on my townread of DP, but the GK lynch doesn't appear likely.
I'm not sure I like the idea of an Ace lynch or a VE lynch so I'm debating moving my vote back to Wriggle. Kita (townread) parked his vote there but I believe it was before Wriggle came back to make his case...I really wish people stuck around more. It's the same 6-7 people doing all the talking here.
Mocsta, same question I asked DP. If we are voting GK now but nothing else changes before deadline, what will you do?
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VE I feel like spamming that is more likely to make people vote for you than Ace.
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You should probably go back to scib's votecount and check again.
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Huh.
TPS's post strikes a chord with me much more than Wriggle's does (not to mention confirmed townie doesn't hurt) as I never seem to remember to think of things from a scum perspective, though admittedly that would be hard for me because in games now I haven't rolled scum.
What Wriggles did and now TPS makes me wonder about the spammy meta that seems to be present in every mafia game I've played. Were posting in the manner that TPS and Wriggle did the norm at on point in time? Huge, overall well put-together, consolidated cases? TPS can we expect more of this from you (if you survive the night, sorry!)?
I know we actually have a shot at getting GK lynched now but damn, TPS.
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DP can you answer my question from earlier? If we can't get the support onto GK where do you see yourself going?
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Fuuuck I can't stay up any longer.
I'm going to leave my vote where it is...I support lynches of both GK and Ace right now so if there are any last-minute shenanigans I hope they go to the right places.
GL guys and see you all on the flipside.
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On March 21 2013 21:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Well that escalated quickly. I suppose I deserve part of the blame for being unable to stay awake until the deadline. Wiggles comes in with a case about how Ace is failing to scumhunt, yet that case itself is Wiggles only real push for a lynch and it comes at a time where he is only doing it for survival. How do things go from "ya, Wiggles is scum" to "ya, I totally trust Wiggles intentions" in a matter of hours. Bleh. At least I should have time to make a stronger case tonight.
I kept my vote on GK but if you read my rationale it was the TPS case that put me over the age on saying Ace was probably a good lynch.
WARNING: CONSPIRACY THEORY
+ Show Spoiler +I worry that TPS is 3rd party and not confirmed town. There is no way scum would have known to frame him/change his alignment but 3rd party would be consistent with his staying out of the spotlight for 2 days and coming back just in time to post an absolutely massive case on Ace just like Wiggles did, AND would probably have some sort of anti-check power. I like his case much more than Wiggles,' and it made an Ace lynch much clearer so this is NOT something I am sure of by any means, but keep an eye on him after I die, k guys?
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EBWOP: put me over the edge
not age.
I swear I have some sort of aphasia or something...I do this way too often and it worries me.
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On March 21 2013 22:55 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 22:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 21 2013 21:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Well that escalated quickly. I suppose I deserve part of the blame for being unable to stay awake until the deadline. Wiggles comes in with a case about how Ace is failing to scumhunt, yet that case itself is Wiggles only real push for a lynch and it comes at a time where he is only doing it for survival. How do things go from "ya, Wiggles is scum" to "ya, I totally trust Wiggles intentions" in a matter of hours. Bleh. At least I should have time to make a stronger case tonight. I kept my vote on GK but if you read my rationale it was the TPS case that put me over the age on saying Ace was probably a good lynch. WARNING: CONSPIRACY THEORY + Show Spoiler +I worry that TPS is 3rd party and not confirmed town. There is no way scum would have known to frame him/change his alignment but 3rd party would be consistent with his staying out of the spotlight for 2 days and coming back just in time to post an absolutely massive case on Ace just like Wiggles did, AND would probably have some sort of anti-check power. I like his case much more than Wiggles,' and it made an Ace lynch much clearer so this is NOT something I am sure of by any means, but keep an eye on him after I die, k guys? How in the world could TPS be 3rd party?! You yourself said that you received his alignment was town from your alleged dt check. Do you or do you not receive alignment with your check?
I said it in my post. Its typical for 3rd party to have some sort of ability to make them appear innocent. I'm not assuming this is what occurred; TPS's case was much better than Wiggles' and even though it benefits 3rd party to hunt scum with town, that case required way more effort and insight than I believe is necessary from someone trying to remain discreet. I just wanted to get the idea out there. I checked TPS to be a Fool and I believe it to be true.
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On March 21 2013 23:18 Mocsta wrote:
Also now that the cycle is over. Can u pls post full mason log with BH
BH did didn't he?
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On March 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:
WoS/zarepath
Question.
Geript. His filter states that he was a firm advocate of a ve lynch. And he even went out of his way to produce some reasons why.
However, if u look at the final vote count. His vote went from from vote leader ve to ace, thus putting ve and ace in a tie breaker.
I couldn't see any reference in his filter to suggest he was keen on an ace vote.
1. Do u agree with the above.
2. Both if u have played with geript before. Are u finding his posting to be what u expect of a town geript?
Honestly Mocsta, I couldn't be assed to look into Geript right now when Wriggles and more obvious scum are going unpunished.
I could vote him, Trancestorm, Kenpachi, glurio, GK, fuck you name it.
I'm least sure of GK because I'm only sheeping on that from DP, and Kenpachi is just useless and needs to die.
The other three I'm pretty damn sure of now.
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On March 22 2013 00:24 Mocsta wrote:
K WoS
Thnx for being honest.
Funny u ,mention glurio cos before I believe it was u that asked me to stop commenting on him.
Either way. G`nite
I asked oyu to stop commenting on him because it was dumb to try and introduce ANOTHER new lynch target when there were already 5 flying around. In the post I told you to shut up about him I said he's definitely scummy but we had bigger fish to fry.
If you think we can convince people to lynch him for D3 by all means, but there are more threatening scum to lynch I guess? I don't know I've never thought about it this way...if you have a lurky scum and an active scum, which is better to lynch? I would think the active one, right?
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On March 22 2013 02:42 zarepath wrote:
DYH, it'd be better if you posted those reads at the end of N2 because if scum has any faith that you'll find something Day 1 and that there's a medic for WoS they'll just kill you before you give the cases
I forget who it was who said this, but I may just get RBed; it all depends on what scum are most afraid of.
If I were scum it's a matter of whether my role on its own is scary enough to warrant killing me or simply RBing me every night; considering my play thus far I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't scared of me at all and would rather focus their KP elsewhere.
It's ultimately going to be up to the medic to make that call as well.
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On March 22 2013 03:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Do we even know if the mafia team has a roleblocker? I don't remember anyone claiming it on day one.
No we have no idea. We don't even know if you get informed of a RB. Either way it's up to the medic to decide if I'm worth protecting or not. I have my target for tonight chosen already though I'm unsure how to go about letting you guys know who it is in case I die or don't?
I'll have to think about it.
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