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Anyway I'm town this game so you guys can all breathe just a little bit easier. -VE | ||
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Lynch Mafia If I could offer you only one tip for the future, lynching mafia would be it. The long-term benefits of lynching mafia have been proven by towns, Whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable Than my own countless mislynches. I will dispense this advice... now. Enjoy the power and beauty of being newb, oh, never mind. You will not understand the players and posters of your first game Until they're jaded but trust me, in a couple years you'll look back At games you played and recall in a way you can't grasp now How much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really played. You are NOT as bad as you imagine. Don't worry about the next game or worry knowing that worrying Is as effective as trying to solve a scum team By throwing darts. The real troubles in mafia are apt to be things That never crossed your newbie mind That kind of blindsides you at 4 a.m. hours before a deadline. Do one thing every day that amuses you. Read Don't be reckless with other player's words. Don't put up with players who are reckless with yours. Analyze Don't waste you time on lurkers Sometimes town's ahead, sometimes town's behind, The game is long and in the end, it's only with the mafia. Remember the compliments you receive, forget the insults, If you succeed in doing this, tell me how Keep your old game PMs, throw away your old thread subscriptions Write The most interesting players I know Didn't play mafia until 22 years old Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know do not. Get plenty of rest, be kind to your eyes. You'll miss them when they're gone. Maybe you'll carry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll teach newbies, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll leave after 40 games, maybe you'll gloat over mafia corpses on your 7th straight town victory. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much Or berate yourself either Your lynches are half chance, so are everybody else's. Enjoy your hydra, use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it, or what other players think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own. Talk, even if you have noplace to do it in but your own PM inbox Read the OP even if you don't intend to obey it. Do not read newbie guides they will only make you self-conscious. Get to know your idols, you never know when they'll quit for good, Be nice to your game hosts, they're your best link to future games, And the most likely to help you in the future. Understand that mafia games come and go, But a previous few, who should hold on (MAFIA LI - ALWAYS REMEMBER) Work hard to find the gaps in the mafia's playstyle. For as the better you get, the more you need the players You knew when you started this game. Live in the General Forum once but leave before it makes you too hard. Live in the Blogs Forum once but leave before it makes you too soft. Enjoy Accept certain inalienable players Mafiastars will rise, game hosts will philander, you too will get good And when you do, you'll fantasize about when you were new Mafiastars were nobodies, game hosts were stoic, and newbies respected veterans. Respect the veterans Do not expect anyone else to support you Maybe you have a Skype group, maybe you'll have an amazing Hydra partner. But you never know when your time in this game might run out. Don't mess too much with your meta Or by the time you hit Day 3 you're going to look like you're playing Day 8 Be careful whose advice you take but be patient with those who supply it Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing for roles from the game thread, pointing them out, getting them night killed, And making a bigger deal about it than it is. But trust me on the mafia. -OO + Show Spoiler + Everybody's Free (To wear sunscreen) | ||
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Moo you're going to have to stop referencing on-going games or I'm going to be forced to request a modkill. Fair warning. Regarding this whole Mootrain, I'm not participating for now. Frankly Dr's vote on Moo was shitty anyway (just placed with no reasoning) so I can see a townMocsta getting shitty about it just as much as I can see a scumMocsta getting shitty about it. I want some actual content before I start to analyze peoples' intentions. That said, from what content there IS in the thread I'm liking On March 13 2013 08:39 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: for obvious reasons why are you willing to lynch bullshit instead of scum? the least. Maybe it's me, but the implication that FT thinks Moology is scum is pretty plain - this reads as an attempt to stir shit, and I don't fucking like it. Also the CastingGolem, while cute, is doing nothing to add to the thread aside from commentary which is unnecessarily lengthening the thread. Not scummy, but I'd like you two to play the game instead of commentate it. KTHX | ||
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On March 13 2013 12:30 Moology wrote: DrP. What is disappointing is that the thread is 2 pages long, and you missing things. Even Thrawn acknowledged that not many have posted. You say I haven't scum hunted, when its early Day1 and you're the only hydra online... Think about what you are saying Oats before you speak up pl0x. All you guys have done in regards to moology is throw down a stupid vote, and disregard all context. Theres a simple reason; VE hydra & iamp hydra said marv vote was stupid. I also happen to agree with that reason. Because the vote was bullshit in the first place. Why you guys decided to run with it, I have no idea. But go ahead and enlighten me. (moc) Whoa there tiger. I never said marv vote was stupid. That's a either a misunderstanding or a LIE. I said that NewbieXXXIObsQT's comment on marv's read like stirring up shit. Something I was hoping someone would comment on...but no one did. NewbieXXXIObsQT - please explain what you mean by "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum". | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:54 DrParnassus wrote: Do you see the total lack of caring on my face? No? Well its there. My point is that even if we are the only 2 talking and you outright claim scum in thread, does it mean I wait for the other 7 before 'Oh mocsta claimed scum *vote mocsta*' No right? So you being scummy is not dependent on the other people in the game. I dont need you to tell me how to play, I can do it fine on my own. OE, can you read Mocsta's posting and tell me if you think that they are townie? Oats. Whoa whoa whoa...did you just ask one head of a hydra if your attack on the other head of the hydra is justified? What do you think he's going to say? Like.........really? + Show Spoiler + Really? | ||
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Holy shit this actually happened? I thought it was a joke. I'm not even going to bother getting excited. This hydra should be called "WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver". | ||
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I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference between Named VTs claiming today and Named VTs just counterclaiming scum if they try and fakeclaim it at lynch time. Is there any? I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we just agree to go ahead and lynch Named VTs if they are counterclaimed on the block? It could be a thing where there are more than one Named VT, but it would be the same thing if two Named VTs claimed now wouldn't it? Eehhhhhhhhh actually I like it. If the Named VTs claim now then scum cannot use it as a fakeclaim later unless they do it right now, and if they do they run the risk of being outted as scum to the other PRs if there are any. We know that there is a maximum of 2 blues, so if 2 NVTs claim and there's a cop for instance, then he gets a guaranteed scum check that night...or if there's a doctor then there's a 100% chance that there's a mafia in the 2 NVT claims which is also powerful even if the doctor doesn't claim to out him. Named VTs should claim. | ||
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On March 13 2013 16:33 Snarfs wrote: @ObvioiusEyes: Your thoughts on DrParnassus's vote? I actually answered this in the post you quoted. I didn't like that it didn't come attached to any kind of reasoning whatsoever, but that's not really indicative of scum at this stage of the game...just annoying in a game with half the players not posting yet. | ||
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On March 13 2013 20:11 WittyHydraName wrote: Oats/Thrawn, whoever threw down the vote on Golems My other head asked you a question at the top of this page: Otherwise, VE, you seem to be making sense. Is this the game we we're dreaming about in the Hero mafia scum QT where we both roll town? In that post you were asking if one hydra head was asking for an opinion from the other head, he wasnt. He was asking for your opinion on his case on mocsta (OE is you.) I assumed OE was "OmniEulogy", the other head of Mocsta's hydra? Ugh, I can't keep the names straight - I'd really like it if everyone just referred to everyone else by the name of the slot they're in. Anyway, his case on Moo seems driven by emotion - Mocsta/Oats have kinda a little history of going head to head as townies (Nomination, I thnk they did so in LX at one point?) so I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that's what's going on here. I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to. TheCastingGolems are looking a little bit better - they're at least providing opinions now, which is better than before. I'll admit that the casting style is actually kinda endearing too. For now, I'm also going to ##Vote: DirkHardpec because his posts are basically begging for votes. So fuck it, why not oblige? -VE | ||
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On March 14 2013 03:56 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Poop I was expecting an EPIC BATTLE. Oh well. Though I would like your thoughts on that Prome thing I quoted. Agree... disagree...? This is the second time I noticed this slot cheerleading pissing matches. ##Unvote ##Vote: NewbieXXXI_ObsQT | ||
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Short Version
##Unvote ##Vote DirkHardpec I'll type up the long version but I don't want to lose it again trying to find a quote only to realize I had copied something from work -.- | ||
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On March 14 2013 05:03 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Where did you run off to VE? Need your thoughts on someone other than myself. If you think that cheerleading my own fight is scummy, then whatever. But I do want your thoughts on WittyHydra, and what you make of Bug's "trolly" start to the festivities. Throw in any other players you want. Oh, and all of this recent posting has been all hapa. Your post alone wasn't what I found scummy, but the fact is that iamp exhibited a similar mindset (trying to incite nonproductive argument in the thread) and then you came in and did almost the same thing. Call it me sensing a pattern in your slot's behavior and reacting to it. I can buy "feeling silly" from Hapa, but iamp hasn't responded so it's meh…Hapa's posting makes me feel a bit better about the slot. DirkFuckHerGentlyHardpec + Show Spoiler + <3DougAdams/TenaciousD There's not much to go on with regard to WittyName. He has a similar problem with (I presume) iamp's posting, but did not share my opinion on the Golems' cast-posting before it started to contain content. :/ I just want more from that slot honestly. And I want more from the Moologists. I'm writing off his feud with Oats for now, but I'd like to know who he thinks is scum and why before completely ruling him out for today. | ||
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-VE -.-@OO I really don't even have to sign these shits. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Hi Palmar | ||
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"hydras" should be "golems" -VE | ||
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On March 13 2013 13:56 ObliviousEyes wrote: Whoa there tiger. I never said marv vote was stupid. That's a either a misunderstanding or a LIE. I said that NewbieXXXIObsQT's comment on marv's read like stirring up shit. Something I was hoping someone would comment on...but no one did. NewbieXXXIObsQT - please explain what you mean by "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum". I never thought marv's vote was bad. Ever. In fact, I kinda liked it because it immediately demanded response due to the emotional nature of it, while still being a valid criticism of your play so early on. | ||
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-VE (guys do I have to keep doing this?) | ||
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The question becomes "would townMarv jump on something small early on to kick off discussion" vs "would scumMarv draw attention to himself by jumping on something so small early on". For me the answer is yes to both questions. It seems the answer is no to the first and yes to the second for you based on your post, does your read of him change if he was referring to the role PM post rather than the "first" post? | ||
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Iamperfection is on that team, so I don't expect it to be clear of ObsQT's alignment immediately but Witty(snarfs) took the early vote a bit seriously. I'll keep an eye on Witty, not too concerned with ObsQT right now. Dirk Hardpec is interesting. Chatty but not terribly informative, at least the filter/game isn't terribly long so the lack of quoting/context on the posts isn't annoying yet. VE knows them better, I'm interested in seeing the fleshed out version of his read. -OO | ||
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On March 14 2013 06:52 Promato wrote: Golems are a little strange. While I like both soniv and WoS neither one strikes me as a power player. their decision to simply commentate with a few snide comments tossed in is actually a decent contribution for them. I don't have trouble following their thoughts although their posts do annoy the crap out of me. The Dirk trolling remains the most suspicious thing in the thread on first read through(sadly enough). I don't like the other reasons marv has given for voting him but marv is telling the truth about Bugs scum meta (or has been setting up this ploy for months since I'm pretty sure he mentioned it during YAN) Adarfs is probably my follow up if Dirk turns into a useful man beast. Both Adam and Snarfs are good and, well, I'm not seeing it. Intro post was lacking and follow up has been none-existent. Lurker lyncch, but one I'd be willing to say has decentish odds of flipping scum. anyway, fuck Yamato. I'll try to be useful. Hopefully when he shows up eventually he'll play the game like he promised. Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:39 Moology wrote: Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) I don't think they're being harmful in the way they are choosing to voice themselves, though their opinions aren't exactly forthcoming they are more present and therefore more open and town-looking than Witty. It's a matter of degrees; if it were between the two right this moment I would lynch Witty over Golems. I'm not saying they're super town looking but I can see how it could be just them being town and having some fun. They haven't been under really strong pressure yet, and if they are I would hope they drop the flavor to focus on being effective instead of entertaining. Some up-to-date concrete opinions would mean a lot right now from them, though. -OO | ||
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The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone. Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo. | ||
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Okay so... What does that mean? That doesn't make him scum. It definitely doesn't make him town. | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:51 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Geeeeez caster still has their vote on Moology? Man. Yeah no kidding, I was just rethinking on my comment from before and was like "Where are the Golems?" 25 hours later... maybe they're not just roleplaying game casters but also conjoined twins being kept ransom? Fuck it, I'm not gonna pay up. I AM NOT ENTERTAINED. -OO | ||
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The last time I saw Dirk playing similar to this game was.....fuck whatever, that mini where I was scum with marv. Palmar and Bugs were at each other's throats the whole of D1, but they both gave at least cursory opinions of other players. There's none of that this game. They're hiding in their FT tunnel, and it's scummy as fuck. LYNCH DIRK YOU FUCKS | ||
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Give me a reason Dirk is town. In spite of there being ~5x more material, I bet you can't. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:25 FiveTouch wrote: In fact if it was you who actually started the case on Witty, that in many ways makes the game much easier. ObsQT planted and watered it, you (marv half) indulged with sunlight, and then DrParn started selling Witty-flowers on street corners. Actually that whole thing is interesting, look at the timeline from where it starts here. 2 votes within five minutes. Everything there looks all above board on that page, it was a natural extension of the conversation. In other news, I want to share my perspective on Golems. I said I liked them earlier but this is my day-in-review for them. This reads like a soft newbie claim: On March 13 2013 22:19 TLCastingGolems wrote: Also, I'm noticing that DrParnassus has switched his vote many many times already this game. Thoughts on his motivations, Soniv? I'm not sure yet. But if he's trying to puff up and look like a threat to people, I would say it's not working. Switching votes so often and quickly is worthless in my eyes - it creates a "boy who cried wolf" effect. In the future, if he ever REALLY wants to make a case, I'm not sure if people will take him seriously. The caster personality role-play is obfuscating it a bit but it's not the only time in the thread that Golems has been not exactly following what was playing out in the thread. As the conversation was just kicking into gear: On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote: You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that? Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening. Feigning contribution with more summary. On March 14 2013 04:56 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright everyone, we have to head out until later this evening but we promise to give the crowd and the Newbies alike what they want. What kind of casters would we be, after all, if our purpose wasn't to provide entertaining information about people in a game? Gone for a few hours turned into 25 hours. If they are operating individually this is really inexcusable in this setup. The caster personality thing, while interesting, is not doing Golems any favors when it comes to methodology. Soft newbie claim and not understanding how early game works? I don't get it. They've both played mafia before. It looks like feigning contribution. The hardest stance he took was on Moology and it was meta-related. The meta isn't fleshed out, no examples are given, and combined with the newbie claim I really can't take a meta argument seriously from this slot. So I'm left with zero real contributions and an extended absence for a 2-person team. Leaning scum here right now. -OO | ||
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I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec. -OO | ||
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On March 15 2013 09:49 Moology wrote: Yes correct.. I meant, who do they suggest is a good alternative. (moc) Oh, you are talking about the period during the question to hosts? Gotcha, I thought you meant said he actually voted for Dirk, not suggested him as an alternative during his question-to-the-hosts period. Still re-reading and pretty tired, my misunderstanding. -OO | ||
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Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding? | ||
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There are a couple of points that I want to raise before starting. First, after a long discussion with my other head, I've come to the conclusion that this game is much deeper than I'd originally anticipated. I quickly realized that while our ultimate reads of a couple of players were the same, we disagreed on a few key players for various reasons…but chiefly among them was the fact that we have differing reads between heads of hydras, and we disagreed on the implications of this. I subscribe to the school of thought that we should be reading the slot and not trying to read the individual players at this point, mainly because early on I was having conflicting reads between heads (Oats/thrawn, iamp/Hapa). OO however has been trying to read the players rather than the intentions of the slot which is an interesting approach, but ultimately useless in my opinion because there are some players (Hapa, marv, Bugs) who are going to be able to look townie regardless of their actual alignment. We decided that we are going to continue to take different approaches to scum hunting moving forward. I feel like in this way we have a better chance of missing something the other misses. But as a result, the reads I'm about to give are my reads, not OO's. We agree on a few, but these are ultimately my thoughts. I'm not aware of whether he intends to give his final thoughts, I didn't think to ask because I had intended to myself. So without further ado: VisceraEyes N1 Reads Dirk Hardpec - The problem I have with their play in this game is this: they are willfully trying to remain unreadable and create confusion surrounding their slot. There is literally no town-motivated reasoning for this. All he's done is repeatedly call FT mafia for the same shitty reasoning: he's mad. WTF kind of reasoning is this? And in spite of being so certain of marv's guilt, his vote ended up on the lurker wagon? He promises to "convince us he's town tomorrow". I think Dirk should be our lynch tomorrow unless he does no less. NewbieXXXI_ObsQT - Hapa's posting certainly made me feel better about the slot, but ultimately both heads of this hydra pretty much all but disappeared from the thread in the hours leading up to the lynch. Considering the target was a townie, and the fact that it was originally NXXXIOQT that brought up the lurker lynch in the first place (DrP mentioned Witty, but NXXXIOQT was the one who ultimately brought Witty to FT's attention, which is in my opinion the original genesis of the lurker wagon) I'm going with my initial instinct on this slot - that NXXXIOQT was only interested early on in shoveling shit into the thread for no purpose other than make it unreadable. Moology - Early on I was red on Moo, because of his misrepresentation of my post in his argument with DrParnassus. However, I was able to catch up with Mocsta later on and I buy that he just misunderstood my post. He hasn't done anything really overtly scummy aside from that, but I'm a little uneasy about something with Mocsta this game. Pressure this slot hard in the next phase, I have a feeling he'll tell you whether or not he's scum. He would be red, except I feel much stronger about the above two lynches and don't think Moo should be considered tomorrow unless his play tomorrow warrants it. TLCastingGolems - I've been going back and forth with this slot. Originally I didn't like their casting, then I liked it, but now that they're not roleplaying, they seem mostly interested in defending themselves rather than looking for scum. This is another slot that should receive a lot of scrutiny in the next phase. No one else should be considered for lynch imo. | ||
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I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. | ||
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On March 16 2013 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote: As I said, I'm not sure if OO intends to give his reads as well. I didn't ask him what he intended to do because I intended to give at the very least MY thoughts. 1) That's my initial read of iamp's post at FT re: "lynching bullshit instead of lynching scum" followed by your post expecting "AN EPIC BATTLE". I told you then that was my impression, and you're using the fact that you changed this behavior after I called you out on it as evidence of your innocence? Mkaaay... 2) That was my impression from reading the thread. Perhaps that's because of your absolute refusal to comment on my read of Dirk, and my push to get him lynched instead of the lurker. Looking back you're right, you were there pushing the lurker as hard as you could, so that's my mistake. But taken with the fact that I consider you to be the original genesis of the "kill the lurker" sentiment, that hardly changes my view of the situation. 3) I didn't agree that he was scummy as fuck, this is a misrepresentation. I said that I didn't like how he appeared to be buddying me early on, but that I agreed with something else in his play so I was ":/" re: the lurker. In normal circumstances I'd certainly agree with you, but in this particular case I felt like the case on Dirk was much stronger than "this guy isn't posting because meta". -.- | ||
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote: I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch. On March 16 2013 06:50 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: @ VE Is OO going to give his thoughts as well? You said you're posting your collective last will and testament, yet said that these were your own reads. -snip- | ||
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On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote: weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!? | ||
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On March 16 2013 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not my fucking job to defend people I think are town, the fact that Prom thinks that my reasoning given for thinking he and yamato are town is "not good enough" is fucking retarded, and if you agree with him you should feel bad. Yamato has a shitty read on me based on something he noticed about ONE game and he thinks he has my "scum meta pinned" or some kind or idiocy, and he has NO FUCKING IDEA what he's talking about. The only person I think MIGHT have a grasp on my scum play in this game is Marv, and he picked me out DAY ONE in Nomination, the very game Yamato is touting as his proof that he can read me. GUESS WHAT YAMATO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I'M TOWN. YOUR TELL DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE BECAUSE I AT NO POINT EVER "PUSHED" A TOWN WAGON, I WAS PUSHING THE DIRK SCUM WAGON AS HARD AS I COULD. SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?! | ||
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You never commented on ANY of the content in my post. That IS suspicious, but if your read of me is genuine, it's at least understandable. That's why I asked if this shit is for fucking real - because I need to know if you're being fucking dumb or malicious. The fact that you're in here trying to justify that laughably bad post is evidence that it's the former. Now to determine if it's because you're town and actually think I'm scum, or if it's because you're scum trying to discredit me. Fucking bullshit, I had you guys so firmly green before Prom. I am disappoint. | ||
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I get the feeling that VE wanted to be more into this game but things were so slow for long periods of time that there hasn't been much to add, at least from my perspective. Call it re-adjusting from the big game I was just in. There were several periods like that on D1, first half of N1 was relatively quiet. I can see where VE was coming from with his caps-lock thing earlier. I've personally gotten over being called scum at this point because it happens Every. Single. Game. Is it all that often that people jump on VE for stupid little shit comments? So whatever, that out of the way, I'll give you my latest thoughts and then there will be the performance art portion of the post. Current major concerns: Yamato is getting really self-congratulatory with his deduction that this is somehow a scum VE. Also, what does this even mean? On March 16 2013 04:34 Promato wrote: Why are we ignoring this guy? Again, I repeat, VE does that soft push of town's wagon thing all the fucking time as mafia. I would be shocked if he was town. VE was soft pushing by telling you that you should have voted the clearly scummy Dirk Hardpec? The guy who kept us in the loop that he would have something useful tomorrow? DH, who clearly didn't care enough about the town to leave anything at all with us before end of night? So now you're telling me we're scum because the guy we voted for ended up being town? BOTH PLAYERS were equally viable candidates yesterday, and everyone seemed to agree with Marv that someone who posted a little and promised more was more valuable than someone who hadn't posted and was cruising for a warning. Yamato is accusing us retroactively of our pushing a lynch on town or somehow VE's post pushing for town to lynch their own choice who ended up town. This is just kind of... okay, the first is true no matter what because DH ended up dying and flipping town, but what the fuck does the second choice say about our choice? OH WE'RE BAD BECAUSE OUR LYNCH CHOICE WAS A TOWNIE WHO GOT NIGHTKILLED? Does it occur to you that we now become the easiest mislynch of the day as the only remaining vote on DH? That's a really spectacular setup by scum and congratulations on that effort, it seems to be working out quite well given the general sentiment already. It was only a matter of time before that vote was mentioned so here I am telling you that if I had to do it again, I personally still would have voted for DH. Someone who has proven that they are information hiding D1 is not someone I feel comfortable keeping around because that behavior doesn't and shouldn't fly on any other night. -OO + Show Spoiler [performance art portion] + Four years and thirteen months ago our forefathers brought to this great message board, TL Mafia, concieved in entertainment, and dedicated to the purpose that all towns are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing wether this town, or any town so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that game. We have come to dedicate a portion of that game as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives, that that town might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we cannot hallow -- this town. The brave townsmen, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far about our poor power to hunt and lurk. The board will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what we did here. It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who played here have thus far so nobly improved. It is rather for for us to be here, dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under Ver and Ace, shall have a new birth of justice -- and that a town of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from this town. - + Show Spoiler + | ||
ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
-OO ##Vote: Promato | ||
ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
On March 16 2013 18:49 DrParnassus wrote: OMGUS. Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons? Have I not shown that his attack vector is flawed? How about this? On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote: Not to sound too know-it-all, but I did have my reservations about this lynch, as shown in my posts so far this game. What does this achieve at all? If he knew better, why didn't he push someone, anyone else? Hell he could have made a case on me for my summary posts that would have been just as valid and pushed for me, but instead we have Promato (Prome at the time) going with the flow and dismissing it nonchalantly after the fact. Saying he knew better and doing something about it are two separate things. I get he's playing two games, has a sick girlfriend, has school or work or whatever, but he himself went along with the Witty vote regardless. So he had reservations about it? What about the part where he said Adam claimed scum? On March 14 2013 12:03 Promato wrote: I really consider this a scum claim from Adam. Maybe he really is burnt out, but town Adam is almost always loud about the lynch and has opinions. Scum Adam does nothing. This looks like scum Adam. As Marv said, this hydra is insanely easy to catch and I'm not surprised their collective effort is so small. -snip- Seemed fairly convinced there. If he had doubts it was his duty to convince us otherwise, or at least put us on another train of thought. Never happened as far as I can see. Saying he had doubts after the fact is patting himself on the back and letting us know he actually thought they were town, but went for their lynch anyway. | ||
ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote: its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you. I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day. Pretty confident he isn't going to die here on N1, so why even mention town power roles, especially in reference to himself? He's talking about town power roles out of the blue (pun lol) and is 100% confident he's not getting night killed. Not even a question, just straight up no, he knew he wasn't going to die. Even a quick list off the top of his head would have been more useful than this. -OO | ||
ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
On March 16 2013 19:57 yamato77 wrote: I'll post in this game tomorrow, and destroy VE/OO. Until then, think about nomination and what happened to VE when I accused him. Squirm, scum. Squirm. Come back when you're finished consulting your teammates. | ||
ObliviousEyes
United States57 Posts
On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote: I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions. | ||
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