• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:00
CET 05:00
KST 13:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool47Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group C 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6571 users

Mafia Podcast! - Page 7

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 75 Next
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 08 2013 01:28 GMT
#121
On March 08 2013 10:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 10:04 MilkSuckler wrote:
How far away is night for you? i.e. how soon you looking at doing this

Im keen, but its 9am here!! (Friday)

In about 4-5 hours.

Do you feel comfortable enough with your english to do this kind of thing?

I am not sure what you mean by that?

+ With that timing, I cant dial in (I only wanted to listen)

But yeah, I live in an English =native language country...
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 08 2013 01:30 GMT
#122
On March 08 2013 10:28 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 10:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 08 2013 10:04 MilkSuckler wrote:
How far away is night for you? i.e. how soon you looking at doing this

Im keen, but its 9am here!! (Friday)

In about 4-5 hours.

Do you feel comfortable enough with your english to do this kind of thing?

I am not sure what you mean by that?

+ With that timing, I cant dial in (I only wanted to listen)

But yeah, I live in an English =native language country...


No you live in Swaziland.

No gg, No skill.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 08 2013 01:38 GMT
#123
On March 08 2013 10:28 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 10:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 08 2013 10:04 MilkSuckler wrote:
How far away is night for you? i.e. how soon you looking at doing this

Im keen, but its 9am here!! (Friday)

In about 4-5 hours.

Do you feel comfortable enough with your english to do this kind of thing?

I am not sure what you mean by that?

+ With that timing, I cant dial in (I only wanted to listen)

But yeah, I live in an English =native language country...

Oh, here I was thinking you were actually in Swaziland.

If you want to listen, just listen when it's up!

Another imperative thing is that we assign roles:

1. Host - Keeps discussion moving forward, gets the other casters to chime in when appropriate
2. "Fact Checker" - Dives filters/threads looking for specific information that is relevant to discussion
3. Community Guy - Keeps an eye on the email looking for questions/comments

One specific question I want answers/ideas for (email to TLDoctorH@gmail.com) - What's the best way to get discussion rolling on Day 1?
RIP Aaliyah
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 08 2013 01:38 GMT
#124
I want in on this but not sure if I have a mic.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 08 2013 01:39 GMT
#125
On March 08 2013 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want in on this but not sure if I have a mic.

Do you have a smartphone that can get on skype?

We can also go tomorrow if people need some more time to prepare, I have the day off work.
RIP Aaliyah
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 08 2013 01:40 GMT
#126
I do at that - not used to this whole information age thing.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 08 2013 01:56 GMT
#127
here are some interesting questions... some of them were briefly mentioned yesterday

-games have been trending towards being longer and spammier... the threads often look like irc channels instead of forum threads. good, bad, neither?

-policy lynching. is it necessary? if not, what can you do to get people to play the way you want them to play? if it is necessary, then how do you go about it without ruining a game?

-there are lots of varying playstyles which often causes conflict between townies who see their way of playing the game as the only correct way. it's not as easy as pulling up a list of "scumtells," because townies often play "scummy." so what are the most common scumtells, which ones are the most reliable, least reliable, etc

-meta. good or bad? if you get players who play a ton of games together, they are going to be able to read each other extremely easily. is this an intended or desired part of the game?

-how the fuck do you run a newbie game without half the players quitting?

also I think it'd be a good idea to get people with opposing philosophies... that'd make for a much more entertaining show, rather than the same group of people agreeing with each other over everything, every episode
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 08 2013 02:04 GMT
#128
Another question:

It seems like town has been stomping lately, Is scum play gettting worse? Or town play getting better? How would you try and solve this 'problem'.
No gg, No skill.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 08 2013 02:27 GMT
#129
On March 08 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Another question:

It seems like town has been stomping lately, Is scum play gettting worse? Or town play getting better? How would you try and solve this 'problem'.


I don't think this is necessarily true.

Compare NMM 37 to Duel Mafia. One-sided wins for both sides.

NMM 33-37 was 3 town wins and 2 mafia wins if I recall correctly.
Grubby's #1 Fan
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 08 2013 02:41 GMT
#130
I guess we'll delay this until tomorrow, it'll be a bit much to throw together at the last minute today.
RIP Aaliyah
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 08 2013 02:55 GMT
#131
On March 08 2013 11:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 11:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Another question:

It seems like town has been stomping lately, Is scum play gettting worse? Or town play getting better? How would you try and solve this 'problem'.


I don't think this is necessarily true.

Compare NMM 37 to Duel Mafia. One-sided wins for both sides.

NMM 33-37 was 3 town wins and 2 mafia wins if I recall correctly.


Newbies dont count

No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 08 2013 15:15 GMT
#132
There have been a lot of one-sided town wins recently. And a one-sided mafia win (LVIII).

The best games are the close games. Like Hero Mini Mafia, where both sides played pretty well and it was a genuine battle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2013 16:38 GMT
#133
On March 09 2013 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
There have been a lot of one-sided town wins recently. And a one-sided mafia win (LVIII).

The best games are the close games. Like Hero Mini Mafia, where both sides played pretty well and it was a genuine battle.

yeah think so too. Out of the last 5 games I had 4 ended up with a mafia lynch on d1 I think. Or 3 out of 4, I only know the one where I sheeped palmar d1 was the only one that didn't actually get mafia d1 in a loooong time. And before the pause I had we had the game with Matt claiming self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, so another d1 mafia lynch (though it's not in a row for you guys because as mentioned I was away from mafia for a bit after that).

The one game I mentioned, with palmar mislynching d1 and Supersoft being mafia really was the only decent game for mafia I saw in a long long time. So yeah, we probably need some more advice for mafias. After each and every game you're told what you did wrong as town and you can reflect on those things. It's hard to get those advices for mafias, especially considering that from a mafias point of view it highly depends on the situation you're in in that specific moment about wether the calls you're making are right, without the knowledge you have postgame. That makes it hard to reflect upon yourself as mafia even with advice because it's rarely applicable outside the vacum-situation you have when reading advices. Because again, it's usually not about making the right or wrong calls as mafia but more about wether you're able to make them in the situation you're in and that's just really hard to give advice for unless you're doing it live I guess.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 08 2013 16:58 GMT
#134
On March 09 2013 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
There have been a lot of one-sided town wins recently. And a one-sided mafia win (LVIII).

The best games are the close games. Like Hero Mini Mafia, where both sides played pretty well and it was a genuine battle.

yeah think so too. Out of the last 5 games I had 4 ended up with a mafia lynch on d1 I think. Or 3 out of 4, I only know the one where I sheeped palmar d1 was the only one that didn't actually get mafia d1 in a loooong time. And before the pause I had we had the game with Matt claiming self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, so another d1 mafia lynch (though it's not in a row for you guys because as mentioned I was away from mafia for a bit after that).

The one game I mentioned, with palmar mislynching d1 and Supersoft being mafia really was the only decent game for mafia I saw in a long long time. So yeah, we probably need some more advice for mafias. After each and every game you're told what you did wrong as town and you can reflect on those things. It's hard to get those advices for mafias, especially considering that from a mafias point of view it highly depends on the situation you're in in that specific moment about wether the calls you're making are right, without the knowledge you have postgame. That makes it hard to reflect upon yourself as mafia even with advice because it's rarely applicable outside the vacum-situation you have when reading advices. Because again, it's usually not about making the right or wrong calls as mafia but more about wether you're able to make them in the situation you're in and that's just really hard to give advice for unless you're doing it live I guess.


yeah I pretty much agree. Playing mafia like you say is very situation-dependent. A lot of playing good scum, I think, is sensing where the thread is or what the thread sentiment is, or even more importantly maybe, is going to be shortly in the future. This is especially true for bussing decisions. Your mafiabuddy only has one or two votes. Question is, are you going to be able to save him, either with defence or a good case on someone else? The sooner you decide the better. And sometimes after the game you don't even know if you made the right choice!

Generally speaking mafia need to post more. Mafia need to grab some thread presence Day 1. Day 1 is really important. If you're not impactful in any way on Day 1, it's really really hard to grab influence later. And if a mafia team has no influence, then when things start going wrong (as they often do) you have no way to combat it because you're all unimportant. Far too many mafia teams these days are unable to push their agendas because none of them have any thread presence.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 08 2013 17:36 GMT
#135
On March 09 2013 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 09 2013 00:15 marvellosity wrote:
There have been a lot of one-sided town wins recently. And a one-sided mafia win (LVIII).

The best games are the close games. Like Hero Mini Mafia, where both sides played pretty well and it was a genuine battle.

yeah think so too. Out of the last 5 games I had 4 ended up with a mafia lynch on d1 I think. Or 3 out of 4, I only know the one where I sheeped palmar d1 was the only one that didn't actually get mafia d1 in a loooong time. And before the pause I had we had the game with Matt claiming self-aware miller in a game without self-aware millers, so another d1 mafia lynch (though it's not in a row for you guys because as mentioned I was away from mafia for a bit after that).

The one game I mentioned, with palmar mislynching d1 and Supersoft being mafia really was the only decent game for mafia I saw in a long long time. So yeah, we probably need some more advice for mafias. After each and every game you're told what you did wrong as town and you can reflect on those things. It's hard to get those advices for mafias, especially considering that from a mafias point of view it highly depends on the situation you're in in that specific moment about wether the calls you're making are right, without the knowledge you have postgame. That makes it hard to reflect upon yourself as mafia even with advice because it's rarely applicable outside the vacum-situation you have when reading advices. Because again, it's usually not about making the right or wrong calls as mafia but more about wether you're able to make them in the situation you're in and that's just really hard to give advice for unless you're doing it live I guess.


yeah I pretty much agree. Playing mafia like you say is very situation-dependent. A lot of playing good scum, I think, is sensing where the thread is or what the thread sentiment is, or even more importantly maybe, is going to be shortly in the future. This is especially true for bussing decisions. Your mafiabuddy only has one or two votes. Question is, are you going to be able to save him, either with defence or a good case on someone else? The sooner you decide the better. And sometimes after the game you don't even know if you made the right choice!

Generally speaking mafia need to post more. Mafia need to grab some thread presence Day 1. Day 1 is really important. If you're not impactful in any way on Day 1, it's really really hard to grab influence later. And if a mafia team has no influence, then when things start going wrong (as they often do) you have no way to combat it because you're all unimportant. Far too many mafia teams these days are unable to push their agendas because none of them have any thread presence.

yeah d1 performance from mafias are really bad these days and I have to include myself in there due to laziness in my last game as mafia as well I guess :p

It's incredibly hard to be wrong on a townread as a townie, like really hard unless you're in that one game you have once a year where literally everything you say is just flat out wrong. Being wrong on a townread really shouldn't ever happen and the way games go you usually have at least 50% of the game figured out as town with a likeliness of everyone in that group really being town high enough to bet your own balls on them being town. You probably will have more than 50% down as town pretty easily in most games on d1. That leaves a bunch of randoms who didn't perform well and mafias in the group called "the rest" and it's really not that hard to find mafia based on that knowledge + some basic reads even without reading the thread.
That's basicly how every single game turns out to be except for very few exceptions nowadays and a mafia actually looking townish or leading town is a very rare situation these days when in fact it is really easy to look good, especially on d1
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
March 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#136
sup y'all, I have a great (IMO) discussion topic and I think we could make a good long productive talk around it alone.

I'd definitely like to be there for this one, so if whoever is gonna organize this could let me know when it's gonna be and whatnot that'd be great (I assume Dr. H)

I'm excited to hear/discuss opinions ^^
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 08 2013 18:55 GMT
#137
Fake-claims. When to do them, how to do them.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 08 2013 18:55 GMT
#138
I'm aiming for about 7-8PM PST.

I tried to do a little solocast this morning but after about 10 minutes I just lose my train of thought.
RIP Aaliyah
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 08 2013 18:56 GMT
#139
I can think of several town-aligned reasons to fake-claim. That would be an hilarious topic.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 08 2013 18:58 GMT
#140
Actually just lying in general. Why LAL is the stupidest policy ever imagined.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Prev 1 5 6 7 8 9 75 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#74
PiGStarcraft286
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 202
ProTech131
SpeCial 44
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5767
Noble 38
ggaemo 33
ajuk12(nOOB) 28
Bale 24
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever713
febbydoto10
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1906
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox510
Other Games
C9.Mang0344
PiGStarcraft286
Maynarde122
ViBE62
Temp05
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1348
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream44
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH108
• practicex 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1325
Other Games
• Scarra1406
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h
Afreeca Starleague
6h
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
7h
Replay Cast
20h
KCM Race Survival
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 6h
WardiTV Team League
1d 8h
OSC
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Platinum Heroes Events
3 days
BSL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
OSC
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-23
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.