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On April 19 2015 23:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 19 2015 23:14 Damdred wrote:
We talked about pms a lot but the amount of stockpiled information that town didn't have available might of been detrimental. I don't like pm games honestly, but it seemed pretty rampant where there were a ton of people not in the town circle or chat.
I think it's valid to say that jat and kita were sharing with each other but almost nobody else? I think that's a valid complaint but that's just a problem with pm games to If you share everything with everyone that kinda defeats the point, don't you think? How do you think stockpiled information was a detriment to town? Also there are quite a few people that I shared more information with than Kita, namely Koshi, marv and rsoultin. How does hidden information help town? And all of those people sadly died really early. Obviously I don't care since I was Scum and yea but
Well, hidden information about roles - which is what we are talking about - helps town tremendously. For example I would have never let anyone lynch snarfs so he did not have to out himself or paint a target on his back. It is much better if some universal townreads know all this than if everyone does. I have no idea how the fact that those people died early invalidates anything I am saying.
To clarify again - we are talking about role related stuff and not about reads.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
There was far too much talking about roles and not enough scum hunting. That's quite evident when the people who were in the know in pm's died and everyone else was left in the dark and didn't really have any direction to go at all.
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On April 19 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 23:14 Damdred wrote:
We talked about pms a lot but the amount of stockpiled information that town didn't have available might of been detrimental. I don't like pm games honestly, but it seemed pretty rampant where there were a ton of people not in the town circle or chat.
I think it's valid to say that jat and kita were sharing with each other but almost nobody else? I think that's a valid complaint but that's just a problem with pm games to If you share everything with everyone that kinda defeats the point, don't you think? How do you think stockpiled information was a detriment to town? Also there are quite a few people that I shared more information with than Kita, namely Koshi, marv and rsoultin.
this is correct ^^ it took me a bit to whittle down his shell (and relax mine, lol) but we pooled everything we knew and honestly one of the main reasons i did that was i expected to be dead by day 3 and didn't want the information to be lost
but yes, i do think the focus was too much on roles and not actual scumhunting, jat...and that's something kita, you and myself should probably accept some responsibility for lol ><
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That's the thing though, you will obviously disagree. The town circle wasn't big enough for example when you died only kita was left almost nobody else had the same information on roles etc., and we really had little reads so that's all the important information.
As such some people jumped on kita and all that information is sorta useless. But it's meh. The point is town dissolved into nothing but distracting everyone after a certain point.
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I already admitted that. But that is NOT why town lost. Even if this is true we tried to lynch scum every single fucking day. We were on VA day2, we lynched damdred day3 and we were on track for batsnacks day4 at least when I was still alive. More scumhunting would not have changed anything about the outcome of this game.
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hey but i had two scum as scum in my death post! getting better about dying and actually leaving something useful xP
yeah i didn't play that game so well lol too many new things, and to those people who trusted me and only me and asked for my help i'm sorry ^^; i know i look very town and sure and all that and that's my personality but i wasn't at all experienced enough to help you guys ;o; with something like this
xfire, exo in particular this is directed at lol
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Last post was @ rsoultin.
Damdred as long as one member of the town circle survives the night it is big enough. It is his job to find someone to trust then.
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nah i know lol @ jat...lynching hf was really very dumb heh but i'm not sure how much difference it would have made if y'all lynched bats instead, and regardless you were dead by then
slam's half day threw a lot of things off really :/ i was considering my lynch mechanic trying to basically get an obv town to participate as the second so they got the benefit of not being lynched but lol some of them were too nervous then boom day end
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I was sort of drunk. So I take no responsibility for whatever I said.
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kitaman27
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On April 19 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
but yes, i do think the focus was too much on roles and not actual scumhunting, jat...and that's something kita, you and myself should probably accept some responsibility for lol ><
You citizens of Gotham are all the same. Always telling Batman to take responsibility for all your problems. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Well lets be honest here, I was the hero that absolutely none of you deserved.
My cherry picked posts below show that I was scum hunting all game with 100% accuracy. My play is flawless without exception and I except marv's upcoming power rankings to reflect this.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2015 07:25 kitaman27 wrote:HogwartsShow nested quote +On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow
##vote mocsta Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread. YumaShow nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake
##vote dicksmashcockguy Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here? CellShow nested quote +On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day. Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it FantasyShow nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter: On October 06 2014 12:53 ObviousOne wrote:
first On October 06 2014 13:02 ObviousOne wrote:
que pasa con sus consuelas hijoles fritas On October 06 2014 13:04 ObviousOne wrote:
p.s. bedtime nitenite On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay good, now that's out of the way.
#1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion.
#2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter
#3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt On October 07 2014 02:29 ObviousOne wrote:On October 07 2014 02:20 batsnacks wrote:
I am a one man train. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted. Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse. In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today. On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Storrzerg
The question is, who does he think are scummy?
1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town
So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"
And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.
The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.
I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow HearthstoneShow nested quote +On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do. It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch. So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =OWS, 2 = LT, etc, all the way up to 16 = holyflare and 0 = JB.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-17 by taking that number mod 17. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 16 mod 17 = 16. 17 mod 17 = 0. 19 mod 17 = 2. 24 mod 17 = 7. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 17. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = OWS 2 = LT etc etc all the way up to 16 = HF 0 = JB (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] +
1) ObiWanShinobi
2) Lord Tolkien
3) Misder
4) ritoky
5) risk.nuke
6) jrkirby
7) Seuss
8) VisceraEyes
9) GlowingBear
10) Oatsmaster
11) Alakaslam
12) Blazinghand
13) Damdred
14) liancourt
15) Circumstance
16) Holyflare
17) jaybrundage
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid. On November 01 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok. I know for a fact that BH likes RNG.
I also know for a fact that sometimes he uses this to generate discussion.
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
It looks like he is trying to get town off the right track, because he is insisting on a mechanic that is going to lead on a mislynches. He is not reading the game and he is not caring for the game. You can see that he refuses to talk about anything else.
Who BH thinks is scum? Nobody knows.
Who BH thinks is town? Nobody knows.
Passivity and creating confusion. Mafia traits.
BH is mafia. nah point 2 isnt relevant because RNGing then deciding to push that person defeats the purpose of RNG. So yeah these are mostly bad reasons why BH is scum. If BH was town, he would do the RNG shit too. But he would do additional stuff like trying harder to convince people to jump on the RNG wagon. Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum. On November 01 2014 21:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, he had the chance to do it earlier. He came to the thread, someone sent him to dinner (lol) and he peace'd out.
Why he didn't start the RNG that time and not now? Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter? On November 01 2014 23:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok oats.
My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby
But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. Explain? Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.
I don't really have a great way to read BH and most of the time he just plays around with a RNG lynch and an eventual blue claim to save himself, but reading through some of his games he seems to often have trouble keeping up with the thread. As mafia he tends to quickly choose a target with very little thought and do whatever is best for BH. As town, he may start off with a random reason, but eventually he explains why it is the right choice or attempts to contribute something even if he isn't fully caught up. He makes no effort to help this game and is simply voting for snarfs because it isn't him, which matches the mafia games more than town in my opinion. On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
Other 3p claims:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
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On April 20 2015 00:04 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
but yes, i do think the focus was too much on roles and not actual scumhunting, jat...and that's something kita, you and myself should probably accept some responsibility for lol >< You citizens of Gotham are all the same. Always telling Batman to take responsibility for all your problems. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Well lets be honest here, I was the hero that absolutely none of you deserved. My cherry picked posts below show that I was scum hunting all game with 100% accuracy. My play is flawless without exception and I except marv's upcoming power rankings to reflect this. + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2015 07:25 kitaman27 wrote:HogwartsShow nested quote +On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow
##vote mocsta Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread. YumaShow nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake
##vote dicksmashcockguy Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here? CellShow nested quote +On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day. Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it FantasyShow nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter: On October 06 2014 12:53 ObviousOne wrote:
first On October 06 2014 13:02 ObviousOne wrote:
que pasa con sus consuelas hijoles fritas On October 06 2014 13:04 ObviousOne wrote:
p.s. bedtime nitenite On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay good, now that's out of the way.
#1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion.
#2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter
#3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt On October 07 2014 02:29 ObviousOne wrote:On October 07 2014 02:20 batsnacks wrote:
I am a one man train. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted. Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse. In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today. On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Storrzerg
The question is, who does he think are scummy?
1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town
So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"
And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.
The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.
I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow HearthstoneShow nested quote +On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do. It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch. So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =OWS, 2 = LT, etc, all the way up to 16 = holyflare and 0 = JB.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-17 by taking that number mod 17. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 16 mod 17 = 16. 17 mod 17 = 0. 19 mod 17 = 2. 24 mod 17 = 7. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 17. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = OWS 2 = LT etc etc all the way up to 16 = HF 0 = JB (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] +
1) ObiWanShinobi
2) Lord Tolkien
3) Misder
4) ritoky
5) risk.nuke
6) jrkirby
7) Seuss
8) VisceraEyes
9) GlowingBear
10) Oatsmaster
11) Alakaslam
12) Blazinghand
13) Damdred
14) liancourt
15) Circumstance
16) Holyflare
17) jaybrundage
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid. On November 01 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok. I know for a fact that BH likes RNG.
I also know for a fact that sometimes he uses this to generate discussion.
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
It looks like he is trying to get town off the right track, because he is insisting on a mechanic that is going to lead on a mislynches. He is not reading the game and he is not caring for the game. You can see that he refuses to talk about anything else.
Who BH thinks is scum? Nobody knows.
Who BH thinks is town? Nobody knows.
Passivity and creating confusion. Mafia traits.
BH is mafia. nah point 2 isnt relevant because RNGing then deciding to push that person defeats the purpose of RNG. So yeah these are mostly bad reasons why BH is scum. If BH was town, he would do the RNG shit too. But he would do additional stuff like trying harder to convince people to jump on the RNG wagon. Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum. On November 01 2014 21:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, he had the chance to do it earlier. He came to the thread, someone sent him to dinner (lol) and he peace'd out.
Why he didn't start the RNG that time and not now? Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter? On November 01 2014 23:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok oats.
My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby
But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. Explain? Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.
I don't really have a great way to read BH and most of the time he just plays around with a RNG lynch and an eventual blue claim to save himself, but reading through some of his games he seems to often have trouble keeping up with the thread. As mafia he tends to quickly choose a target with very little thought and do whatever is best for BH. As town, he may start off with a random reason, but eventually he explains why it is the right choice or attempts to contribute something even if he isn't fully caught up. He makes no effort to help this game and is simply voting for snarfs because it isn't him, which matches the mafia games more than town in my opinion. On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Null
ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
Leaning Mafia
batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
Other 3p claims:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist.
lol my bad xP i stand corrected
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On April 20 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2015 00:04 kitaman27 wrote:On April 19 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
but yes, i do think the focus was too much on roles and not actual scumhunting, jat...and that's something kita, you and myself should probably accept some responsibility for lol >< You citizens of Gotham are all the same. Always telling Batman to take responsibility for all your problems. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Well lets be honest here, I was the hero that absolutely none of you deserved. My cherry picked posts below show that I was scum hunting all game with 100% accuracy. My play is flawless without exception and I except marv's upcoming power rankings to reflect this. + Show Spoiler +On March 30 2015 07:25 kitaman27 wrote:HogwartsShow nested quote +On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow
##vote mocsta Show nested quote +On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread. YumaShow nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake
##vote dicksmashcockguy Show nested quote +On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here? CellShow nested quote +On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day. Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it FantasyShow nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter: On October 06 2014 12:53 ObviousOne wrote:
first On October 06 2014 13:02 ObviousOne wrote:
que pasa con sus consuelas hijoles fritas On October 06 2014 13:04 ObviousOne wrote:
p.s. bedtime nitenite On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay good, now that's out of the way.
#1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion.
#2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter
#3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt On October 07 2014 02:29 ObviousOne wrote:On October 07 2014 02:20 batsnacks wrote:
I am a one man train. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted. Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse. In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today. On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Storrzerg
The question is, who does he think are scummy?
1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town
So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"
And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.
The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote:
@bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts.
When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.
I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow HearthstoneShow nested quote +On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do. It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch. So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =OWS, 2 = LT, etc, all the way up to 16 = holyflare and 0 = JB.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-17 by taking that number mod 17. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 16 mod 17 = 16. 17 mod 17 = 0. 19 mod 17 = 2. 24 mod 17 = 7. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 17. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = OWS 2 = LT etc etc all the way up to 16 = HF 0 = JB (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] +
1) ObiWanShinobi
2) Lord Tolkien
3) Misder
4) ritoky
5) risk.nuke
6) jrkirby
7) Seuss
8) VisceraEyes
9) GlowingBear
10) Oatsmaster
11) Alakaslam
12) Blazinghand
13) Damdred
14) liancourt
15) Circumstance
16) Holyflare
17) jaybrundage
there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid. On November 01 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok. I know for a fact that BH likes RNG.
I also know for a fact that sometimes he uses this to generate discussion.
But there are two problems here:
1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off
2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG.
It looks like he is trying to get town off the right track, because he is insisting on a mechanic that is going to lead on a mislynches. He is not reading the game and he is not caring for the game. You can see that he refuses to talk about anything else.
Who BH thinks is scum? Nobody knows.
Who BH thinks is town? Nobody knows.
Passivity and creating confusion. Mafia traits.
BH is mafia. nah point 2 isnt relevant because RNGing then deciding to push that person defeats the purpose of RNG. So yeah these are mostly bad reasons why BH is scum. If BH was town, he would do the RNG shit too. But he would do additional stuff like trying harder to convince people to jump on the RNG wagon. Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum. On November 01 2014 21:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Slam, he had the chance to do it earlier. He came to the thread, someone sent him to dinner (lol) and he peace'd out.
Why he didn't start the RNG that time and not now? Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter? On November 01 2014 23:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok oats.
My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby
But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. Explain? Show nested quote +On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.
I don't really have a great way to read BH and most of the time he just plays around with a RNG lynch and an eventual blue claim to save himself, but reading through some of his games he seems to often have trouble keeping up with the thread. As mafia he tends to quickly choose a target with very little thought and do whatever is best for BH. As town, he may start off with a random reason, but eventually he explains why it is the right choice or attempts to contribute something even if he isn't fully caught up. He makes no effort to help this game and is simply voting for snarfs because it isn't him, which matches the mafia games more than town in my opinion. On April 02 2015 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
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ObiWanShinobi - Claims a role that was mafia in a previous teamliquid game. Not sure how to interpret this. At one people he was asking several times if people were around to chat, which he also did in one of his mafia games. Really small sample size here though. When we did exchange PM's he asked me about my mason ability, which was about the least relevant thing in the game considering everyone was a d2 mason. He did give up the claim willingly, so there is that.
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batsnacks - I honestly can't remember a game where I've read him as town, but I still think he is mafia. Shows no willingness to cooperate in PM land. In the thread, he doesn't have any town tells. He is going after easy targets, that a lot of other people would consider 50/50 coinflip reasons. Seems like he is picking the side of the coin he wants to view things as.
Sepulchre - He goes out of his way to tell me that he spent his entire day on xfire post flip analysis and how it is all wasted. Seems like it may be a situation where he is trying to push the idea that he couldn't possibly have known that xfire wasn't actually mafia (if xfire is indeed not actually mafia).
VayneAuthority - Claims a plansewalker role similar to Hapa, but only reveals two roles. I questioned the claim because it didn't make sense, especially compared to Hapa's flip. He explains there was a third role, but it is a "passive that he doesn't know how it works so he can't share". That seems pretty sketchy especially because he was withholding that part upon first claiming. I didn't like how he posted how I was 100% town and "I thought kita had a brain but apparently he is brainwashed too" when I first suggested how he likely had more than two roles. He changed his tune when I provided evidence that he had more than two. A lot of this comes down to whether or not marv actually checked him. It's annoying that marv didn't take advantage of PMs to reveal his target to his number one town read.
Other 3p claims:
Damdred - It probably goes without saying that I don't trust him. He promised a gun on n1, but didn't deliver. As far as I know, that gun didn't end up anywhere unless mafia is holding on to it or he was lying. As I mentioned earlier though, it seems weird that a mafia damdred would claim to need to kill gordon and then need an excuse if gordon is still around. His excuse for using the item is suspect as I'm one of the two players he claims to have trusted enough to tell about the day vig, but then suddenly he doesn't trust me so he wants to check me with this item that may or may not exist. lol my bad xP i stand corrected <3?
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