British Empire Mini Mafia II

On March 04 2013 14:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Lets get some pregame talk going. I think we should policy lynch Vivax. Anyone wanna join me :D

On March 05 2013 10:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh jeez, do I really have to claim this early?

I was wondering for a minute of a massclaim plan would actually be of any use but there's no reason for scum not just to claim vanilla town and hide in that group of 7. That would leave 2 players out of the question and that's not a small enough pool to investigate, not really useful I think. So nothing to say about that.

Don't be this trigger happy, it'd be pretty fucking stupid to lynch me right away for not having much to say. I'm best at reading players and I generally avoid lurkers because I'm a filter-diver if anything. 2 minutes into the game with nothing to discuss, I don't have a lot to offer. I never have.

On January 07 2013 08:08 MrZentor wrote:
HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM

On March 05 2013 10:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm the house of parliament idiots

On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups.

You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me.

##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake

On March 05 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh I suppose that's true. I'd still prefer whoever it is to keep the claim in their back pocket until they really need it. You can catch people with their pants down like that.

On March 05 2013 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So trolling aside I think another named VT should claim right now. Despite the possibility of catching someone with their pants down, it's not an infallible scumtrap. Confirmed townie is a good tradeoff for this luxury.

Unless you prefer Hapa's method.

On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o
Buuuuut prolly za jokes.



Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D:


YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ

On March 06 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:

How about we handle him with some tough love, if you know what I mean.

On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o
Buuuuut prolly za jokes.



Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D:


YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ

On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote:
I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax)
Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out.

As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on.

On March 06 2013 13:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Need m0ar non-Jay reads CC

On March 06 2013 13:23 Hapahauli wrote:


Ok well anyway regardless of Jay, there is still at least one other scum afoot. Who do you think that scum is and why?

On March 06 2013 04:45 Promethelax wrote:


no, your non-committal sheeping of a weak town player gave me strong town vibes...

On March 08 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:


So is Prom's reasoning that sheeping weak townreads gives strong town vibes.

Artanis I appreciated your last answer frankly I don't think CC is scum I think we should be looking at Dandel, thrawn and Prom today.

Dandel cause I just skimmed the filter and he's been behaving scummy and chaotic regarding jay but actually kept pushing my lynch despite saying that me and jay are dumb and thus scumteam.

His preference of lynch choice is scummy cause it doesn't coincide with what other people thought would be the more likely to be scum, pretty obviously I think it's cause he didn't want to lynch his scumbuddy over me.

On March 08 2013 01:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Hapa asked me to post reads on everyone. My reads were developing as I looked into people. I spent two hours looking through filters. I put more energy into you and Prome than the others after which I wasn't particularly feeling like doing more but I couldn't just post two town reads and keep it at that. I know I'm town, yet I didn't have a strong scumread on anyone anymore after my read on you updated. I hadn't looked much into Dandel, Thrawn or CC much because I was too busy tunneling you and Prome. I initially had a town read on everyone when I made the meta analysis and Thrawn was the last person I analyzed, so I was more thorough with him but didn't find it convincing, so I went back and gave CC another look.

I unlurked because I woke up. I went to bed before the daypost came up.

On March 08 2013 01:27 Hapahauli wrote:


Touche.

However I just need to hear more from CC. I don't have any reason to think he's town right now - CC's been useless and lurky, and I know he's more than capable of being an active presence as town.

On March 06 2013 17:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Morning.

Jay looks awful. It makes little sense that he'd resign this easily while contributing absolutely nothing. Since there's no vigi possible in any of the setups and we can be pretty sure scum won't shoot him when he isn't scum we'd have this question roaming around town until we decide to lynch him. I want to give Jay one last chance to come up with his own reads before anyone hammers him though. The lynch is going very easily, but it could be a bus so eh.

Regarding Vivax:
I still think the post I made on him regarding the FoS thing is strong, and it's still a cause for concern. However, his posting as of late has been good and that can't be overlooked. I'm not willing to lynch him right now after the interactions he's had with Promethelax especially, in which I'd say the latter didn't look as good. He seems suspicious of everyone, is throwing his votes around and commenting on a lot of things. If he's scum, I should be able to find something other than the nugget I had. I haven't yet. Prome's case on him feels weak.

Regarding his case on me:
He keeps stressing the point about me calling out Hapa on his town reads and calling it buddying. I found it suspicious that he was happy to call people townie for such little reason, which presumed me to believe he was trying to gain favour from people. Furthermore, I hadn't even read my role yet so there was little reason for me to pursue scum agenda there. I didn't even make reads on the guys he called green yet, I just saw that post, had read the posts before and thought "what, how can you say that after this little content" after which I posted the comment I did.

Regarding Helvetica's post:
His vote post is so wishy washy that it's obviously just a pressure vote rather than actually suspecting me. His main argument is that I'm noncommital; I'm always noncommital. I'm an honest person in character and find it difficult to overexaggerate things or try to mislead people, so I don't do those things. I push people as strong as my case is, and my case on Vivax rested on the meta argument I provided before. I don't pretend to be more confident then I am. As for the argument that Prome is playing different from his meta: I haven't digged into it yet. You can't expect me to meta read every single player in the game before making statements about them.

Tl;dr I'm not willing to lynch Vivax anymore until I get more evidence that he is scum and I'm good with a jay lynch unless he suddenly improves strongly. I still want to give him a chance to reply though.
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On March 06 2013 18:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I want to lynch Jay if he doesn't strongly up his game. Prome is my second suspect but I still need to do more research for that which I'm too lazy to do right now but will get to later.

On March 07 2013 18:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think Vivax is town now.. At this point, people were suspecting Prome a bit but no one was really questioning me. Given Prome's tunneling on Vivax he could easily have gotten away with continued tunneling on Prome, yet he didn't and changed his opinion, albeit on something retarded.

Jay didn't mention me, no. He didn't even answer the question I asked him. Why would a scum master plan include an unanswered question? He also never discussed me because by the time there was actually some suspicion on me not from you, he already went into resignation mode. All he did until then was answer about whatever was the town's main suspect. He has almost no content in his filter about anything else. I've already commented on the rest of your reasons for calling me scum. As to anyone calling me scum for not being super duper convinced about people: Check my meta. I never am. I'm also not a veteran, I've just been around for a long time. That doesn't mean I've played a lot of games.
Regarding the town PM claim thingy; I made sure to check the OP to see if it's in there before I said anything as I didn't want to cheat.

Just checked out Promethelax' meta. Unfortunately it's inconclusive as the last scum game he's played has been a while ago. In this game, he's sheeped my opinions at the start, also commenting on Hapa calling other people town quickly, though he stepped off of it about as quickly as I did. His interactions seem to be suspicious of everyone, but overly so. Vivax indicated that he didn't like both my, your and Jay's posting. Continuously going on about the order of it feels disgenuine. He calls Vivax scum for not actually wanting to get his scumreads lynched despite the fact that he's been hammering on me all game for a 180 when he asked me to lynch you. I've finally decided that I lean town on that; it feels too ballsy and spontaneous for scum. The rest of Prome's filter focuses nearly entirely on Vivax, calling him scum with nigh every post. Fuck, despite that some things feel off in his filter I can't reconcile this idea with Prome being scum. If he is indeed scum and gets Vivax lynched as green, he'd look terrible and definitely not survive two more lynches. He also looks to be genuinely wanting a Vivax lynch.

With Hapa claiming to be the other named VT, he's obviously town but I already felt that way about him. That leaves Dandel Ion, Thrawn, and Mr. Cheesecake . Dandel Ion seems to be a massive troll that likes posting a bunch of oneliners that mean nothing. In his scum game though he was a lot more serious, as was the case in his first scum game. Even in his accusatory posts as town, he's more jovial than as scum. His current game fits his meta as town.

Thrawn has played a mildly active game at best. In his most recent scum game he got caught on day 1. The other scumgame he played he also had a short 8-page filter in a 200 page game. In this town needs guns, he was more active, though still not as much as others. Thrawn has been more active this game. His hammer of Jay felt premature but I don't think it's a scumtell.
Cheesecake's activity has been depressingly low and his filter is awful. He's doing nothing, but it doesn't line up with both his town and scum meta so it's not alignment revealing. In his godfather scum game he played a very pandering game, trying to stay on everyone's good side. The scum game's a few months back so it could be that he's learned from then. Cheesecake's played a poor game so far. What's weird is how he formulated his reads. First he said he wants to lynch Vivax/Jay/Prome with me as a maybe, then he indicates I'm now his main suspect with Promethelax and Vivax also being good candidates. His hammering on Jay could be a bus, and it's the only serious pressure he's given anyone. Also.



What's changed in these times? You've made a full 180 and you haven't said why. You haven't contributed to town other than telling your reads when prompted, you've been a lot less active than you have in your previous games, and your filter is pretty bad. Given I don't see scum elsewhere Cheesecake is my current top suspect. No reasoning for read changes, and is playing a jovial game which contradicts his recent town game.

##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake

On March 08 2013 02:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Cheese why did you unvote me if you still think I'm likely scum? Also, why do you think Vivax is scum? You've never explained your reads other than on me just now which you unvoted as soon as I replied to it.

On March 05 2013 10:46 Dandel Ion wrote:

If there's a second named, scum already know the setup in the first place, right?

Since they'd have a roleblocker, and one named is already claimed. So of two rb setups, they already know the real one.
At this point, having a "confirmed" town might be better. Also, if it then turns out there's a power-blue left over, we'd have easy pickings.

I want the easy way.

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On March 06 2013 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote:

It's not that he's supposed to be. Named VT fakeclaim is just possible as mafia. Not too risky either.

Real blues won't counterclaim, named vt will still think it's a real setup.

Not discreditin' DrH here, tho it prolly sounded like that. w/e.

On March 06 2013 06:51 Dandel Ion wrote:

That, imo depends on the setup.

I can see a 2goon team fakeclaiming NamedT.

Again, I'm not disbelieving YOUR claim atm, that was a bit too stupid to be scum, but it's healthy to not completely forget about that stuff.

On March 06 2013 09:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Going to sleep, guess I should unvote..

I'm still down for lynching vivax or jay.
Toodles.

##Unvote

On March 07 2013 08:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
Bah, Prom is spouting nonsense.

I am town, so is CC.

I nominate vivax, prome and thrawn as the Triumvirate of Lynch. Preferrably starting with Vivax.

On March 08 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote:

wat

sry for not sheeping others enough I guess.

I did want to lynch you over jay tho. I was down for jay too but by the time I came back to the thread, jay has been lynched for hours already. What's a brother to do.