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but I won't disappear.
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On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Rage Raaaaaaaaaaaage | ||
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On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver If by "this stunt" you mean exactly what you just did just now then yes. | ||
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On March 11 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Too many unskilled newbies. I think you should expand on that BloodyC0bbler. I have a different view - that there are proportionally more skilled veteran players in this game than in most of the games played recently, not less. Not that it changes anything about your other observations - that just means that there will be more "nothing important going on in the thread" at least early on. So do you think scum are going to be using their personality as a crutch to blend in in this setup? I think so - I think most of them are going to focus on roleplaying, it's pretty much a thing where you have to pick too - do I make a post sounding like X or do I make a post trying to find scum? simple. Ive been around longer than basically everyone thus everyone is unskilled newbie compared to me. Given that nothing is going on and based on years of observation and conversation I know ver at this point should have more than a fluff post and sloosh only has a /in post. His posting decreases substantially to the point of non existence only when non town. Given that (for now as the day is less than 24 hours in length) both these players meet meta reasons for being scum they are scum. When they change this in a way that I believe isn't total bullshit then I might revisit my opinion. oh god who gave BC ace who thought that would be a good idea | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:18 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:13 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:07 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: stop answering questions with questions. pray tell me what i am 'twisting' I never told SS his vote was wrong. I was curious he was agreeing with iamp so freely, over a bullshit post; and chose to prod for information. If every post is meant to have meaning, what was the point of a +1 for iamps post anyways? Thats the information I seek. You interject by saying I am telling SS how to play. That couldn't be further from the truth Marv. + Show Spoiler + *As an aside: Regardless of themed gamed or not; I have respect for the vets on this forum. I wouldn't actually do what you were insinuating. I am slightly insulted you would jump to that conclusion immediately.* I was actually aiming at his list and his statement that there is "a" mafia in that list. I don't like these statements very much. When I am scum, I am trying to obscure these numbers. Lynching because of balancing reasons is a pretty successful town-strategy. If you manage to fool the town on the number of vets in the scumteam, you can turn the balancing-reasoning against the town. So do you think Iamp is scum cause of that? Also he basically listed all the vets. Except you. How is that trying to manipulate town? I already said, that i agree with the rest of his post. Therefor he's still 0 rather town to me... okay, i want to be more specific about this. You guys refuse to think and ruin my approach to the game with that behaviour. I quoted Iamps post. I saw the slight possibilitly of antitown manipulation because of the "a". However I liked the reast of the post. I hoped that someone understands what I am doing, agrees with me, or disagrees with me. What i didn't hope was, that you guys get me wrong all the time, because you don't read carefully. Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:07 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: stop answering questions with questions. pray tell me what i am 'twisting' I never told SS his vote was wrong. I was curious he was agreeing with iamp so freely, over a bullshit post; and chose to prod for information. If every post is meant to have meaning, what was the point of a +1 for iamps post anyways? Thats the information I seek. You interject by saying I am telling SS how to play. That couldn't be further from the truth Marv. + Show Spoiler + *As an aside: Regardless of themed gamed or not; I have respect for the vets on this forum. I wouldn't actually do what you were insinuating. I am slightly insulted you would jump to that conclusion immediately.* I was actually aiming at his list and his statement that there is "a" mafia in that list. I don't like these statements very much. When I am scum, I am trying to obscure these numbers. Lynching because of balancing reasons is a pretty successful town-strategy. If you manage to fool the town on the number of vets in the scumteam, you can turn the balancing-reasoning against the town. look at my post. I never said that Iamp necessarily wanted to that and I never said he's scum. I am just entertaining possibilities there. We're super-early day1. I just wanted to note that statement, and I wanted to watch how he follows that stuff up. If he's scum, you ruined my trap, because I already explained everything about it. "I did something stupid but it was a trap and you ruined it by calling it stupid and making me explain that it was a trap" this is either brilliant roleplaying of Palmar or a scummy attempt to cover up | ||
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Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets On March 10 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? My mistake, he went to sleep. I still dont like how he wasnt involved in the discussion beforehand, not like spammy Iamp. So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta. But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason: On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta + Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] + On March 10 2013 21:01 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? No & No No points for you. On March 10 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:06 supersoft wrote: I agree on everything <...> of your post though... Channeling Oatsmaster Expound. Channeling personality Most of us are trying to simulate our personalities. Why so too eager to white knight Iamp/Yamato. On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. On March 10 2013 22:35 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. I dont need you to explain townreads. yam isnt scum or town for me. hes still sitting at null. 0 points for him, 0 points for you. Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff. But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of. Then a bit later in the filter, we get this: On March 10 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Guys. Mocsta. Sheep me, lynch him nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta? So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion. Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. We have Oats's very first post: On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:06 supersoft wrote: Ver is probably claiming a certain personality. Yup. Although there has been absolute bullshit from the players so far. Seriously NOTHING except personal attacks and other annoying, non-alignment indicative scum. Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town." So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is? He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch anyone who doesnt add anything to the thread in their opening post after like 7 pages of content. New policy. On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im gonna use this quote cause its awesome Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Why aren't you doing shit? You can't be scared of NKs, it's like you don't give a fuck. And in my experience a Marv that doesn't give a fuck is a scum Marv ..and I hate scum. I FUCKING HATE SCUM Marv Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. If you haven't noticed. I am writing completely different. (- normally much more verbose) I am not matching the personality meta completely, but its quite a mind-set change for me. Whose your scummiest guy so far. Considering vote is on me, lets change to; whose your 2nd scummiest guy? Iamp. But again I said that already. Or you are scum Mocsta Dont give me shit about not matching your scum meta. Why is it such a big issue that Marv thinks you are telling supersoft how to play? On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. Then there's some personal bitching at acro: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses. Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him. Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? And Kurumi + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, You know Chez is actually useful as town right? On March 11 2013 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, do you actually have any reads? Or are you just intent on trolling the thread. Then we get another piece of "town advice" On March 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm pretty much with risk on this one. I have no idea what Acro thinks he's doing with this Ver stuff. Ver pretty explicitly said he wouldn't have much time for the game until Monday as well. And yet Acro actually has his vote on him; he wants to kill potentially one of town's strongest assets. I can't really tell if this makes Acro mafia or just very silly. Who is scum? No reads = scum. Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play. One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread? What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote: My question wasn't stupid. I feel like one of them is probably mafia, given the nature of their posting. One is almost assuredly hiding with the other in the "Chezinu" category of unreadable players. It's a valid mafia strategy if we, as town, allow it. So what do you propose, how do you determine the scummyness of one over the other? Since you feel that both cant be mafia and one probably is. It is also a valid town strategy to avoid night kills. His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent. He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself. These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations. Oatsmaster is scum. ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On March 11 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Agree with risk. SnB which do YOU think it is? What is your reasoning for making the choice you did? Honestly, I hadn't really thought that much about it besides wanting to point it out as either a good or bad post. That said, there's really like nothing else in his filter. At least once Palmar's plan goes bust, he usually jumps into taking the game seriously. Assuming he's gotten past his regular troll phase. SuperSoft hasn't done that. He also only has town reads, and he's clearly been following the thread closely enough to comment on which posts other people have been talking about (ex: On March 10 2013 23:10 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver read the thread. Risk already quoted "notchezinu" (that was GMarshals smurf, right?) ) Ooh ooh and I just saw this: [QUOTE]On March 11 2013 03:44 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On March 11 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Ah man wtf that didn't answer my question at all but I still loved that post X( WHO IS THIS GUY?![/QUOTE] you shoulnd't ask yourself that question. The proper question is, are his reads reasonable or not.[/QUOTE woo, giving advice and not following it! This is a decent paradigm! But he himself has no reads except town reads and [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me?[/QUOTE] Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager.[/QUOTE] i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so.[/QUOTE] All that said, I still am willing to give him leeway if this bad-plan-thing turns out to be roleplaying, or if his play veers towards the townie in the future. So the answer to your question, VE, is: Right now I'm leaning scum on him, but I feel better about my oatsmaster case so I'm sticking to that. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:09 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Agree with risk. SnB which do YOU think it is? What is your reasoning for making the choice you did? Honestly, I hadn't really thought that much about it besides wanting to point it out as either a good or bad post. That said, there's really like nothing else in his filter. At least once Palmar's plan goes bust, he usually jumps into taking the game seriously. Assuming he's gotten past his regular troll phase. SuperSoft hasn't done that. He also only has town reads, and he's clearly been following the thread closely enough to comment on which posts other people have been talking about Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:10 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver read the thread. Risk already quoted "notchezinu" (that was GMarshals smurf, right?) Ooh ooh and I just saw this: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 03:44 supersoft wrote: On March 11 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Ah man wtf that didn't answer my question at all but I still loved that post X( WHO IS THIS GUY?! you shoulnd't ask yourself that question. The proper question is, are his reads reasonable or not. woo, giving advice and not following it! This is a decent paradigm! But he himself has no reads except town reads and Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. All that said, I still am willing to give him leeway if this bad-plan-thing turns out to be roleplaying, or if his play veers towards the townie in the future. So the answer to your question, VE, is: Right now I'm leaning scum on him, but I feel better about my oatsmaster case so I'm sticking to that. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote: the only roleplay i do, is keeping calm when you dare to call my plans bad :-) hey if i'm willing to call palmar's plans bad you better believe i dare to do it to you ALSO: is anyone else kinda worried that kita's smurf was "lynched" instead of killed by mafia, and that this is day 2? I feel like there might be something significant going on there, because kita actually went so far as to put his smurf into the player list. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote: oatsmaster is the master of scummy, evil oats Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? My mistake, he went to sleep. I still dont like how he wasnt involved in the discussion beforehand, not like spammy Iamp. So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta. But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta + Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] + On March 10 2013 21:01 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? No & No No points for you. On March 10 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:06 supersoft wrote: I agree on everything <...> of your post though... Channeling Oatsmaster Expound. Channeling personality Most of us are trying to simulate our personalities. Why so too eager to white knight Iamp/Yamato. On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. On March 10 2013 22:35 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. I dont need you to explain townreads. yam isnt scum or town for me. hes still sitting at null. 0 points for him, 0 points for you. Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff. But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of. Then a bit later in the filter, we get this: nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta? So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion. Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. We have Oats's very first post: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 18:06 supersoft wrote: Ver is probably claiming a certain personality. Yup. Although there has been absolute bullshit from the players so far. Seriously NOTHING except personal attacks and other annoying, non-alignment indicative scum. Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town." So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is? He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch anyone who doesnt add anything to the thread in their opening post after like 7 pages of content. New policy. On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im gonna use this quote cause its awesome Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Why aren't you doing shit? You can't be scared of NKs, it's like you don't give a fuck. And in my experience a Marv that doesn't give a fuck is a scum Marv ..and I hate scum. I FUCKING HATE SCUM Marv Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. If you haven't noticed. I am writing completely different. (- normally much more verbose) I am not matching the personality meta completely, but its quite a mind-set change for me. Whose your scummiest guy so far. Considering vote is on me, lets change to; whose your 2nd scummiest guy? Iamp. But again I said that already. Or you are scum Mocsta Dont give me shit about not matching your scum meta. Why is it such a big issue that Marv thinks you are telling supersoft how to play? On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. Then there's some personal bitching at acro: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses. Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him. Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? And Kurumi + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, You know Chez is actually useful as town right? On March 11 2013 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, do you actually have any reads? Or are you just intent on trolling the thread. Then we get another piece of "town advice" Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 11 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm pretty much with risk on this one. I have no idea what Acro thinks he's doing with this Ver stuff. Ver pretty explicitly said he wouldn't have much time for the game until Monday as well. And yet Acro actually has his vote on him; he wants to kill potentially one of town's strongest assets. I can't really tell if this makes Acro mafia or just very silly. Who is scum? No reads = scum. Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play. One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread? What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote: My question wasn't stupid. I feel like one of them is probably mafia, given the nature of their posting. One is almost assuredly hiding with the other in the "Chezinu" category of unreadable players. It's a valid mafia strategy if we, as town, allow it. So what do you propose, how do you determine the scummyness of one over the other? Since you feel that both cant be mafia and one probably is. It is also a valid town strategy to avoid night kills. His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent. He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself. These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations. Oatsmaster is scum. ##vote: Oatsmaster BIG CASE EVERYONE READ MY BIG CASE also did anyone tell foolishness the game has started? He's not living up to his position as In his Profile, Foolishness wrote: I am Foolishness, the de facto head and director of the mafia forum on Team Liquid. If he keeps letting us down, he could be in danger of a mob attack... | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote: oh I will repeat that I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. boooooooooooooo On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. booo On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today care to explain why? | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:30 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. See, even the jub jub who i am supposed to be agrees about killing me thats actually a much better reason to kill him than it is to kill you like, what are you going for here? I'm assuming that you are trying to win, because your claim is that for town to kill you would make the town more likely to win and therefore make you more likely to win. However, how do you know that your win condition can't change after you die? That's pretty much the only way your role would make sense - you want to make the team win that you're on at the moment, not the team you're on when you die. Additionally - the logical conclusion of "I want to win, my alignment might change, etc" is not to just suggest that we kill you off right away to freeze your alignment. Waiting a few days to see which team is winning makes far more sense. So yeah I'm calling bull shit. You're probably lying; if I can see that then wbg should see it too; but he still wants to lynch you. Therefore, I would like to lynch him. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b booo no it doesn't | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 07:36 strongandbig wrote: On March 11 2013 07:30 Kurumi wrote: On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. See, even the jub jub who i am supposed to be agrees about killing me thats actually a much better reason to kill him than it is to kill you like, what are you going for here? I'm assuming that you are trying to win, because your claim is that for town to kill you would make the town more likely to win and therefore make you more likely to win. However, how do you know that your win condition can't change after you die? That's pretty much the only way your role would make sense - you want to make the team win that you're on at the moment, not the team you're on when you die. Additionally - the logical conclusion of "I want to win, my alignment might change, etc" is not to just suggest that we kill you off right away to freeze your alignment. Waiting a few days to see which team is winning makes far more sense. So yeah I'm calling bull shit. You're probably lying; if I can see that then wbg should see it too; but he still wants to lynch you. Therefore, I would like to lynch him. this chicken seems to be choking, no? This broth would probably help you, but I'm afraid that the broth is not for chickens. better watch out this chicken can peck and you know what the thing is about chickens, they can still kill you with their head cut off | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:39 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: On March 11 2013 07:36 strongandbig wrote: On March 11 2013 07:30 Kurumi wrote: On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. See, even the jub jub who i am supposed to be agrees about killing me thats actually a much better reason to kill him than it is to kill you like, what are you going for here? I'm assuming that you are trying to win, because your claim is that for town to kill you would make the town more likely to win and therefore make you more likely to win. However, how do you know that your win condition can't change after you die? That's pretty much the only way your role would make sense - you want to make the team win that you're on at the moment, not the team you're on when you die. Additionally - the logical conclusion of "I want to win, my alignment might change, etc" is not to just suggest that we kill you off right away to freeze your alignment. Waiting a few days to see which team is winning makes far more sense. So yeah I'm calling bull shit. You're probably lying; if I can see that then wbg should see it too; but he still wants to lynch you. Therefore, I would like to lynch him. this chicken seems to be choking, no? This broth would probably help you, but I'm afraid that the broth is not for chickens. better watch out this chicken can peck and you know what the thing is about chickens, they can still kill you with their head cut off although admittedly not by pecking | ||
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Bee tee dubs: kurumi, seriously go fuck yourself. Why do you join games like this one and bureaucracy if, when you don't like your role, you are just going to bitch and lie about it until some moron day cigs you? Seriously, talk about playing against your wincon. Anyway, people should be talking about my oats master case. A response from oats himself would be nice. So far the only things anyone has mentioned about it have been that Marv didn't read it but thinks oats master smells townie and corazon saying he liked it but still voting for someone else. IAMPERFECTION AND VE I AM CALLING YOU OUT do something useful for a change and comment on my oats case. After oats, wbg is pretty clearly the next best lynch target. His rambling aside, the resolution to this kurumi thing do not make him look good at all. | ||
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On March 11 2013 10:52 austinmcc wrote: Hello everyone! I think you should vote austinmcc for Mayor. Or any other elected office. But mainly mayor. As mayor, I'll aim to keep a healthy thread environment. We have a lot of heavily-themed roles it seems, and a couple posting restrictions or flavor-lovers. Limericks and rats are nice, but there are a lot of other things that get lost when there is too much creativity and not enough scumhunting. So please be judicious with your silly posts. But the real benefit to electing me mayor is that I will lynch scum. For now, that means lynching slOosh or crossfire. I like those better than oats, although I agree that oats doesn't look very green here. But iirc I'm not particularly good at putting oats's actions together with his alignment. slOosh is a good townie, and generally active. scumslOosh is inactive. slOosh this game is... But the stronger lynch today is crossfire. I like the idea that some scum will attempt to hide within personalities, allowing them to play the game from a less-than-town angle and pass it off as part of the game. crossfire has done just that. He has talked his nonsense, and I enjoyed reading his posts. But the posts contain little/nothing. bugs's post had some logic in them. Others are roleplaying within the context of scumhunting. crossfire is just posting nonsense. At best he called hiro out for voting for "non-alignment reasons," but he hasn't called out any other bad votes and he didn't go anywhere with hiro. Call out his vote, blink away. Lol Austin is playing? Anyway - I could get behind this but I would prefer both oats and bugs. I don't think that bugs has had much thread impact but he has has had a ton of thread presence. That reads to me like scumbugs. | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:12 austinmcc wrote: snb, three things what are those BHs in the Foolishness pic holding? their hands are blazing | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:18 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 10:58 strongandbig wrote: After oats, wbg is pretty clearly the next best lynch target. His rambling aside, the resolution to this kurumi thing do not make him look good at all. man what does this even mean. you thought kurumi was suspicious also right? so why does kurumi flipping a bastard town role make you more suspicious of bugs? i didnt think kurumi was suspicious, i thought he was terrible and its not a bastard role except for its abilities. kurumi was straight up lying about changing alignment. but i could tell kurumi was lying and that it was stupid to kill him. bugs should have been able to tell that too. If kurumi had flipped traitor or mole, i would have thought, maybe a real scummer would have been told that a traitor exists and thus not want kurumi dead after he fakeclaimed traitor. but since he flipped townie, that qualm is removed. | ||
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VE you don't know anything about why this game starts on day 2 do you? anyway, if i like knew foolishness was town, then maybe i would just be like 'oh he seems pretty sure vivax is scum lets do that' but one post, no matter how poetic, where the entire reasoning is "he isn't motivated pro town and he is being inept" plus a link to the filter, isn't enough for me to be sure that foolishness is town or that vivax is scum. @foolishness have you been to the rat fetishist's house? It is full of creepy rat stuff. Also what is your opinion on my prediction that you will die a terrible death as a horde of ravenous blazinghands eat your tlmafia leadership hat (and also the rest of you) | ||
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no that's not true either, if he's scum and he includes one or more scum buddies in his list then it still counts as a vote for them and tries to get them killed now i'm confused but the power seems pretty turrible | ||
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On February 25 2013 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: Player List ... 12. Kurumi as wherebugsgo, killed day one ... On March 10 2013 13:27 kitaman27 wrote: It is now day two. You have approximately 45.5 hours to determine the day two lynch. The deadline is currently set as 03:00 GMT (+00:00). Please take note that daylight savings will shorten the cycle by one cycle. Any quotes in the role pms are purely for flavor. Sorry for the delay (those quotes take forever!). Please address all questions to myself and greymist via pm. Good luck! is it currently day one or day two | ||
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my oats case, what do you think? You clearly don't agree or else you'd be voting him with me, so why not? Is it really just the same as marv's "this smells like town oats?" because i think he's playing like scum. ALSO if BC is ace, should we kill him? ace has to be the godfather right? | ||
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On March 11 2013 14:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh strongandbig - your contribution to the thread was extraordinarily lacking for the short time you were with us. Your presence will go unfelt by the vast majority of the players. I have to wonder if that was by design. Boo, you're a jerk It's not my fault you guys are foolish and can't see the truth of my oats master case Also if you think that I was in the thread for a short time yesterday then you have some pretty unrealistic expectations of me given my schedule and history. Just sayin'. | ||
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On March 12 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 06:13 iamperfection wrote: On March 12 2013 06:08 marvellosity wrote: On March 12 2013 06:04 iamperfection wrote: On topic one of the big reasons i don't want to lynch vivax is i don't trust foolish at all. Reads to me exactly like our last game together where he stop in drop a case then afk. He seems to have no interest in this lynch at all. fine. i'm tired of bugs and this game is pissing me off. so i'm going to lynch him. ##unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo I remember reading somewhere once that bugs said he likes to troll the shit out of the thread when he's mafia. Sadly I can't remember where or I'd show you guys. could you be swayed into sloosh? i don't think so, i prefer bugs. hopefully i will have time for a more thorough read through the thread before lynch. But probably not, I'm teaching undergrads this semester and I have section late tonight. But let me just jump in and say a few things. (1) I must bend to reality and admit that oats isn't getting lynched this time around. I didn't get traction early on and then I wasn't around to push it this morning. So I'll re-evaluate his filter tomorrow. (2) Let's all think about sloosh for a minute though. Like, he didn't change his tune at all when presented with yamato's explanation of the delayed dayvig on kurumi despite the mod confirmation. Plus he just isn't playing like sloosh. He's not being helpful and organizy, he's being curt, abrasive, and unhelpful. Maybe he's changed in the last three months but that's not at all like the town sloosh I remember. (3) the wbg self-vote just doesn't make sense to me, he usually doesn't rage quit unless someone does something game-ruining like kurumi did, but wbg was part of what goaded kurumi into that in the first place. (4) i mean, that thign marv posted was just one post by wbg, i've seen him ragequit as town too. As both alignments. But honestly, this doesn't feel like a wbg rage quit to me. The two times I've seen it happen previously, once in a scum QT and once in town in public, it built up slowly and involved a lot more hatred and raging. TBH I think that if he really was this angry or down on the game, he would've dropped the persona first. So that leaves two options, jester or scum. actually wait wait wait how is the chezinu role not a jester? if there are no counter claims on chezinu, I think wbg being a jester could be a very real possibility. We haven't had a jester in tlmafia since well before i started playing, if ever, and it's exactly like kita and greymist to put one in here | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I am. And Cora. And Crossfire. scummy scum scum scum pick someone who you want to die and make them die, don't try and circumvent criticism of your reads by saying "well i voted for your read also" | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: BC I think you're one of the few people I find reasonable in here currently. Yamato and Ver are excellent choices. I still think Bugs could be a good lynch target. I can't believe there would be a jester in this game Bugs is probably trying to achieve something else with this role. If there's a jester without the hosts telling us then it's a troll game anyway. I have a little theory about Bugs but I don't want to share it cause I actually want to see what happens with the lynch. Let's not forget he's impersonating Chezinu you serious? what makes yamato and ver excellent choices. ver is a policy lynch pure and simple. yamato is most likely town. bad town but town nonetheless. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 09:32 strongandbig wrote: On March 12 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I am. And Cora. And Crossfire. scummy scum scum scum pick someone who you want to die and make them die, don't try and circumvent criticism of your reads by saying "well i voted for your read also" Oh so you think I'm scum now? Neat. its actually been in the back of my head for a while but no, i'm nowhere near sure. just letting you know i've got my eye on you anyway - why is foolishness still voting vivax? actually scratch that. i'm down to kill either vivax or crossfire. those seem like the best non-oatsmaster lynch alternatives to wbg. | ||
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On March 12 2013 09:36 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 09:35 Vivax wrote: On March 12 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: On March 12 2013 09:31 strongandbig wrote: it's also possible that yamato had to say the "pro gf snipe" line for his shot to work, and he wasn't actually an anonymous dayvig but just has managed to trick everyone into thinking he was. just playing devil's advocate. huh. that's kinda interesting. What I said the same do you people even read what I write. not unless i want to lynch you, no. aww marv i'm touched | ||
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Why is Yamato so important to kill? I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. | ||
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March 12 2013 01:06 GMT
#1347
On March 12 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 09:59 Promethelax wrote: On March 12 2013 09:56 strongandbig wrote: If I was a vanilla townie I would be shooting wbg tonight. wat wat wat wat wat? Yamato claimed motherfucking vanilla townie and shot Kurumi in the face. Dude Completely the wrong reference Yamato is meapak, that's been established The real vanilla townie is presumably still out there, still has his bullet and has never missed a shot | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 01:09 GMT
#1351
On March 12 2013 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote: He's better than this. :/ You have to ask yourself, what am I good at? I've caught scum in the past, and shot them and killed them. I've caught scum and made cases on them. But I have never caught scum, made a case, and gotten them lynched. Doesn't mean I'll stop trying. Btw ve you're rapidly earning my scum points. >.> ---------> you (That's me watching you) | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 01:10 GMT
#1353
On March 12 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote: shrug. i'll lynch crossfire if people think bugs is a genuinely bad lynch for weird 3rd party reasons. Don't wanna kill anyone else particularly though. Lets do it At least one vigilante shoots bugs If he survives we lynch him ##unvote ##vote: crossfire | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:11 GMT
#1355
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strongandbig
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March 12 2013 01:26 GMT
#1362
Anyway peace out to the thread, it's time now for dinner and other activities. See y'all tomorrow. | ||
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March 12 2013 12:48 GMT
#1574
On March 12 2013 21:30 yamato77 wrote: ONE LAST THING Foolishness, if your plan is to all-in me, I think you'll be disappointed to know that I have gotten quite good at appearing town as town lately, even in the face of a lynch. All you're doing is MOTIVATING me to crush you in the upcoming day with meta analyses of yourself and Vivax. Hahahahaha But seriously Yamato you gotta put your money where your mouth is man, if you're town you're like mislynch target alpha for scum right now so starting to look townie is a pretty good option. Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax. The way this turned out does make the last minute switch guys look good, although not conclusively so (I have been in games where scum organized a last-minute switch from one townie onto another townie, confusing as fuck) I ended up being right about bugs being third party, but wrong about him being a jester or village idiot, so good news there too. | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 14:52 GMT
#1656
On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote: marv, let's argue. It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel. So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later. Based on reading bureaucracy, I think foolishness doesn't put as much careful thought into his scum play as he does his town play. I could easily see him, playing scum by his gut, deciding to go for Marv. That said, Marv - I wouldn't put quite so much stock in the "foolishness confirmed liar" stuff. It's possible that he got confused between games he coached or obsed and played in. I think that his relatively paltry and careless filter is a much more important piece of evidence. Also @austin - I will not fall into your "long posts -> town" trap again! | ||
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March 12 2013 14:59 GMT
#1669
On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote: For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him. Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? When you're the only one of that group taking an active interest in leading town, then yes. Docs should be on you might one, you should be a possible policy lynch day three. | ||
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March 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#1737
On March 13 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I'm going to stop thinking about Foolishness and Vivax entirely for now because it's not helping me. I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it? did anyone have any thoughts about this? the games i played with him were months ago granted, but i didn't have that impression from town iamperfection | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 16:53 GMT
#1747
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 16:55 GMT
#1750
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 16:55 GMT
#1751
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. i mean, like how wbg role was scum powers but town aligned. | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 18:04 GMT
#1810
On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm not saying this is the case. It is, however, a perfectly plausible scenario that would answer your question about why would scum get a public dt check. I just don't like it that people are basing reads on Yamato off of setup speculation. Actually scratch that, I just don't like it that people are basing it off of bad setup speculation. | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 21:45 GMT
#1908
On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me | ||
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March 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#1917
On March 13 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town. No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying. Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years. yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#1918
On March 13 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote: On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Acro read this post for god's sake. Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it. Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring. Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment. The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. you are also an idiot if yamato was scum he would be lying about his role herpa derpa duh. | ||
strongandbig
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March 12 2013 22:14 GMT
#1934
On March 13 2013 07:13 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was.On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard. Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play. However good try captain try hard 2. But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy. looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality | ||
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March 13 2013 00:32 GMT
#2044
On March 13 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote: giving helpful advice without actually having to find mafia is a really typical way for mafia to behave. i do it all the time. you probably do too. my favorite case that i ever made was on supersoft for doing this kind of advice giving and then not following it. it is totally something he does as mafia | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 03:47 GMT
#2093
but i guess it was just coincidence that the first two roles to be revealed had hidden powers means i used it wrong last night, anyway. oh well. | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 17:43 GMT
#2454
On March 13 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote: By the way. This is Foolishness' lynched-as-town statistic: Show nested quote + On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Town Lynched Percentage (Minimum 10 games) kitaman27 0/25 = 0.00% Fishball 0/18 = 0.00% Foolishness 0/18 = 0.00% Keirathi 0/13 = 0.00% Node 0/13 = 0.00% supersoft 0/13 = 0.00% chaos13 0/11 = 0.00% barundar 0/10 = 0.00% iamperfection 0/10 = 0.00% DoctorHelvetica 0/10 = 0.00% Eiii 0/10 = 0.00% GMarshal 0/10 = 0.00% Mementoss 0/10 = 0.00% Does Foolishness look like a guy this game who's never been lynched in 18 games as town? lol ##vote: Foolishness | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 17:48 GMT
#2458
On March 14 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: On March 13 2013 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote: On March 13 2013 07:57 Acrofales wrote: On March 13 2013 07:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote: On March 13 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote: Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. Now Town Town Scum I notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. hes got some of my town reads some of my mafia reads. Seems decent mixed list tbh So it's a useless throwaway list with reads that are all over the map? Yeah. That's what I got from that too. Me too. Watch I'll make a meaningless list too. It should have a decent mix too. Ver/Foolishness/BC/Supersoft/prplhz/Acrofales/Prom/marv/Vivax/Yamato Scum are hiding in that list somewhere. SOMEWHERE among half the players, the scum are hiding. Somewhere. Famous pre-death list. Worth a look. Contains interesting options. Fuck me Vivax. He just made a random list to take the piss out of yours. marv remember how you behaved after you were "weak doctor"ed as scum in that one game? that's my impression of what vivax is doing now | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 17:53 GMT
#2460
Oatsmaster's filter still reads to me as scum. He hasn't really done anything but go after thread-consensus targets, and he's not playing like he appears to think townies should play. However, enough people have said they have "meta reads" on him that I'm willing to back off for now. | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 17:58 GMT
#2463
On March 14 2013 02:53 Vivax wrote: Oh S & B throwing dirt in from the sidelines while not voting me. Why am I not your scumread then but the guy about to get nuked is? There's many looking scummy currently but if I look at S & B I notice the huge cases he wrote at the start and how he lost steam quickly to become only less more than a commentator feeling rather apathetic about who gets lynched. um well it's mostly because On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Town Lynched Percentage (Minimum 10 games) kitaman27 0/25 = 0.00% Fishball 0/18 = 0.00% Foolishness 0/18 = 0.00% Keirathi 0/13 = 0.00% Node 0/13 = 0.00% supersoft 0/13 = 0.00% chaos13 0/11 = 0.00% barundar 0/10 = 0.00% iamperfection 0/10 = 0.00% DoctorHelvetica 0/10 = 0.00% Eiii 0/10 = 0.00% GMarshal 0/10 = 0.00% Mementoss 0/10 = 0.00% like, you're terrible but we should just kill foolishness also - what happens when the lynch target is dead when we lynch them? Does the next-most-voted-for person get lynched? Just in case some or all of the nukes are real. | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 18:00 GMT
#2467
On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? KP reduction - seems like it makes sense to kill a for-sure scum today | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 18:00 GMT
#2468
i thought you were ve not gonzaw | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 19:32 GMT
#2545
On March 14 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Sloosh, relying on other people to figure out your extremely weird plan is never a good idea. NEVER. oh come on it was not that hard to figure out | ||
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March 13 2013 19:36 GMT
#2546
On March 11 2013 04:35 risk.nuke wrote: ##fos "useless" s&b lololol someone read risk's filter. he just doesn't seem nearly as aggro as i'm used to town risk seeming. think he's scum. | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 20:38 GMT
#2585
On March 14 2013 05:36 Foolishness wrote: I sneakily crept through the second story window. It was a difficult maneuver, having previously gotten to the roof and needing to hang off the ledge to get access inside. But it was always a favorable choice; people always expect break-ins to be on the first floor. I was above and beyond that. I took a moment to take in my surroundings. I was in a guest bedroom, the neatness of the scene made that apparent. From looking into the first floor before my entry it was quite apparent that the boss was not a tidy person. Though I did not expect him to be, one who is so conceited and selfish need not care about public perception and generally perceived "good" qualities. I approached the door to the bedroom, and stopped for a few minutes to listen. I could faintly hear music off in the background but it seemed eons away. There did not seem to be any movement so I slowly turned the knob to open the door. "SCREEEEK!" the door screamed back at me. I halted in my tracks, hand still on the knob as I listened. Faint music could still be heard but my mind was not processing it, I was only listening to the noises that mattered. After it was clear that was no disturbance I took a deep breath and pulled on the door once more. Luckily the door stayed silent this time, and I made a wide enough gap for me to slip through. The hallway was dark, not that that was unexpected. There was a faint light radiating across the carpet a distance ahead. As I moved towards it, the music grew in volume but my mind was not listening to it. I stopped at an intersection and waited before proceeding. Again there were no disturbances. I turned to the right and proceeded down my path. I stopped at the door to the room of my goal. Appropriately shaded a dark red, perhaps in forbearance to the events about to take place. But I could not help but notice the detail and construct of it all, the beautiful square design, the way the golden handle brought life to the red door, almost as if saying that it is within this room that life happens. With the philosophical moment passed, I stood up and readied the knife in my hand. There was no need to be sneaky anymore; there was a job to finish, dead or alive. I hesitated before giving the golden handle a nice twist in the clockwise direction. I gave the door a little push and it almost seemed to open itself; as if inviting me to experience the true essence of life. "I've been expecting you," he said from his chair. He was already facing me; it seemed he knew his fate had already been decided. "How cliche," I replied. "Unfortunately your time is at an end. Like the red of your door your hands have been stained." He stood up and made his way over to me. I was alert, ready for any trick that might be up his sleeve. But he was not in a trickster mood. I felt that he was just playing his part, trying to play it cool and not show his true colors. "But are you sure you are making the right choice good sir?" Apparently his trickery was only with words, the same trickery he used on the rest of the town. There was no need to delay this further with meaningless words. I put the knife straight into his chest. "You don't understand, I am the legend, you can never hope to outwit me." "I...I...I don't understand. Just who are you?!?!" marvellosity said his last words. "I AM THE GOD DAMN BATMAN!" And I plunged the knife further into his chest. hahahaha snap marv it's on now | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 20:39 GMT
#2586
On March 14 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): Acro Why Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me. My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere. Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day. For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants. Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post. Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote: I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] + Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal. Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them. Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for. All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep. Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled. Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next... lol scummy scum scum | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 20:50 GMT
#2592
- you're criticizing the town for no reason without helping to remedy the situation (ie, you're criticizing the town for "not staying on task" while talking about someone who is not at all the main or even a lynch candidate) - you're mischaracterizing acro's reasoning about you - you're also focusing on a player's interactions with you and trying to discredit those interactions, while calling it a reason he's scum those are all things scum do | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 20:51 GMT
#2593
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strongandbig
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March 13 2013 22:53 GMT
#2619
On March 14 2013 07:51 Vivax wrote: Marv is back to spam up the thread. Spoiler the quotes at least. SlOosh, I'm currently thinking you're town by connection actually, but if you kill Foolish and let marv and yamato go you do basically everything wrong. I know it's hard to argue against a town who has this strong tendency to rub vet butt, but I think you should let all nukes hit if you think Foolish is scum. I would argue for you to take the nuke off Foolish but I'd prefer a compromise. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol why do people not read the thread like you morons are all "oh no mason why don't you play more you need to post etc etc" but at least i read the fucking thread | ||
strongandbig
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March 13 2013 22:54 GMT
#2620
On March 14 2013 07:53 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 07:51 Vivax wrote: Marv is back to spam up the thread. Spoiler the quotes at least. SlOosh, I'm currently thinking you're town by connection actually, but if you kill Foolish and let marv and yamato go you do basically everything wrong. I know it's hard to argue against a town who has this strong tendency to rub vet butt, but I think you should let all nukes hit if you think Foolish is scum. I would argue for you to take the nuke off Foolish but I'd prefer a compromise. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol why do people not read the thread like you morons are all "oh no strongandbig why don't you play more you need to post etc etc" but at least i read the fucking thread | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 13 2013 23:49 GMT
#2646
that case was actually kinda convincing i'll reread it again in a while but that is not at all what i expected to happen | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 13 2013 23:57 GMT
#2650
On March 14 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote: You cannot all be scum: I command you to unvote. ##UNVOTE ##UNVOTE | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 00:01 GMT
#2652
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 01:08 GMT
#2679
On March 14 2013 10:06 slOosh wrote: He is also 100% sure that yamato is scum so that's a null point. Instead of pointing out the (what should be) obvious gaping logical holes of scum Foolishness' "case" in determining the three reads, you go after something inane. C'mon - rip it apart marv! There is actually plenty of reason to lynch yamato first - him flipping red does a lot to the current playing field, which is why I'm waiting on supersoft / Foolishness. no marv is right we gots to cut off the head | ||
strongandbig
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March 14 2013 01:26 GMT
#2686
On March 14 2013 10:17 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 10:00 marvellosity wrote: You are all being very, very stupid. ONE post from Foolish and you behave like this? Two things. On March 14 2013 08:41 supersoft wrote: sloosh I LOVE it! good job. You gave to nukes to the right people. Really well played. Seriously. Okay my new circle of trust: Prom, sloosh, Foolishness, vivax, cDgCorazon. You don't vote each other. On March 14 2013 09:01 supersoft wrote: issue is between these guys today: crossfire Oatsmaster Marv Yamato Ver if you weren't confirmed town and dead, I'd lynch you for being really stupid. sorry supersoft. The most important thing of all is this. This is the most important part of Foolish's post. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Can you summarize your post cause I don't have enough time to read this? yamato, crossfire, marvellosity are all mafia, and should be killed in that order. The remaining two I don't know, maybe Ver or prphlz, maybe stutters or mocsta, not really sure. yamato, crossfire, marvellosity, in that order. Ask yourself. Why in that order? marvellosity-scum is a mafia leader. He's a mafia organiser, he's a mafia motivator. marvellosity-scum holds teams together. I am the head of any team, the danger. I have the best mafia record on the whole of TL for good reason. Check my profile. marvellosity-scum is fucking shitting up the thread, throwing false accusations around, and town are prone to following marvellosity-scum. marvellosity-scum is far more destructive to the thread than crossfire-scum or yamato-scum. marvellosity-scum SHOULD BE DYING TODAY. Not in 3 days. Now ask yourself this. You know everything I have just said is true. it should be ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE that you cut off the head now. Why has foolishness not called for my death today? Because he knows that it will be very, very, very hard to win a 1v1 with me. Even though you're all fawning over one mega-post. He's taking the easy way out. To repeat, and it's in his filter, Foolishness is 100% sure I'm mafia. I should be the only lynch for today. I on the other hand, am town, and am not taking the easy way out. Today, it is either me or Foolish. Make your beds and lie in it town. No-one else. Him. Me. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Cool speech. Summary: 1. Marv is calling to be a lynch option over others and telling town to not consider anything besides him and Foolish. 2. There are 5 scum in this game and town should only consider two guys for lynch. Of which one is alleged scum and the other alleged town. 3. Marv just did a mistake. He had crossfire as scum here (snipped, it's his wishywashy read post): Show nested quote + On March 13 2013 11:59 marvellosity wrote: Crossfire Nothing in his filter says town. At all. The reason we didn't lynch him is because he conveninently showed up as the votes were piling on him, and was like "oh lol is it deadline lol daylights saving time" and it seemed kinda genuine. What the fuck has he done with this reprieve? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Looks like mafia. and when it's day he never gives another opinion on him except this: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 04:20 marvellosity wrote: On March 14 2013 04:18 slOosh wrote: Fair point. Now, let's get back to discussing the NUKERs? Crossfire is shooting at someone I'm convinced is mafia. good. Mafia is shooting at someone I think is town. Vivax is batshit insane. We're done. So basically, Foolish is asking for a crossfire lynch. And marv, instead of agreeing with Foolish on lynching their common scumread Crossfire (given that - If crossfire flips scum then marv shouldn't doubt Foolish anymore, which is the wisest choice), says we should only consider marv and Foolish for lynch. Would you do this as town? Well played marv, well played. You are the most aggressively terrible person I've ever seen play this game. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 01:28 GMT
#2687
On March 14 2013 10:17 iamperfection wrote: ya marv never gets pissed when a vet attacks him thats bs http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=140487¤tpage=All palmar tunneled marv the entire game and marv had fits of rage several times This looks nothing like the lazy scum marv i'm used to seeing and he shown great interest and the lynch and everything happening in the thread. This looks like town marv to me. Would town Marv really try and run "I'm town because I've posted more one liners than in any of my previous scum games"? Like, really? | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 01:31 GMT
#2688
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United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 03:32 GMT
#2708
On March 14 2013 12:12 austinmcc wrote: Digesting. One small initial thought. I think Foolishness's post reads well. I also think that he's not being entirely truthful. The read on marv feels legitimate, but him being a batman-posting/unlynchable/1-shot vigi? That's bs. I don't trust that at all. Makes me not trust the post as a whole, because if he's actually coming clean here and making a big towncase, he's not doing a good job of it when he's also hiding/altering information. Can I prove that he's lying? Not really. Does it seem that it is? Yeah. It feels like he's crafting a role to explain all of his behavior, and that doesn't pass the smell test with me. This is extremely true Austin thank god you're town, with sloosh all slushy we needed a "townie boy scout" | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 15:23 GMT
#2927
Marv I eagerly await your digging in to foolishness's narrative about his actions. I will not vote until I read that post from you. Tbh I find it unlikely that corazon and vivax are scum together. However I think it is likely that corazon is scum. However I also think foolishness and vivax's interactions make them look like scum together. Unsure what this says about vivax for me. Still think risk is scum, same reasons as last time. Austin and Yamato, care to give me reads on risk? | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 15:28 GMT
#2935
Anyone who quotes vivax from now on gets a scummy point. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:04 GMT
#2981
On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: So why is yamato "the best kill"? More importantly, yamato is not acting like his town play and is pushing mafia agendas. His day vigi shot day 1 is an incredibly anti-town thing to do. Put yourself in that situation, would you day vigi someone day 1 as a town-aligned role? Hell no. We don't have specifics about his role, but if you had the ability to mod-confirm someone in the thread would you do it day 1? Hell no what a waste cause the mafia just shoots that person. The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1 (no matter what his role PM told him). This completely refuses to look at the scum-motivations for using it day 1, just the absence of supposed town-motivation. Kurumi is potentially a perfect person to announce as town as thread in day 1 and maybe make mafia waste a kill on him. Kurumi was a total liability - as town I fucking LOVE the idea that mafia might be shooting at a martrying Kurumi instead of VE, BC, me, supersoft... well almost anyone you like really. Foolish says there is no point in using the role day 1 as town. Well, what's the point as mafia? To get rid of a martrying liability for town, Kurumi? Is Foolishness arguing here that Kurumi was a positive town-force in the thread, and that town would be much better off with him around, continuously demanding votes and martrying himself? How is this even an argument? Mafia tend to hold their day-vig shots. Example is LX, where Chezinu waited until Day 2, to vig someone who was flying under the radar, but looked town, and more importantly was heavily pressuring mafia (Vivax). Vivax, the most impulsive player on TL Mafia, had a day-vig in Fruity Mafia but only used it on Day 2 to concede the game. Actually impulsive, rash shots are almost always the preserve of townies. Mattchew shooting 5 minutes into PYP: Redux. Some game long ago where VE got shot 15 minutes into the game. I'm sure there are other instances but generally speaking bad day-vig shots done in a bad manner are the preserve of townies, and not mafia. Foolishness has been around long enough to know all this, yet he's arguing otherwise. To reiterate, Foolish says "The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1" yet history shows completely the opposite, townies use their day vigis freely, and mafia are much more scared and prone not to using them recklessly. Mafia want to look as good as possible with their shots, they want to mitigate damage. Mafia has no motivation to vigi someone who is shitting up the thread on Day 1. Irrelevant to the real question at hand (alignments of marv and foolishness), and also not correct. + Show Spoiler [why is that incorrect] + Drazerk as antitown third party shot VE five minutes into Aperture. Mattchew would shoot someone at the start of the game if he was a scum dayvig too. That's analogous to mattchew deciding to claim self-aware miller without talking to his teammates or checking whether millers are or are not self-aware, after the host had already told other players they were not. + Show Spoiler [other stuff about yamato] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: As stated by a few people (including myself) yamato is playing completely different from his town game. In his town game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults (if he thinks you're an asshat, you are guaranteed to find out about it). And more importantly, he's always helpful when he's town. He says what he thinks and pushes his reads. This can be seen in Town Ain't Big Enough mafia. However in Fruity Mini mafia (when he's mafia), he sits back and let's the town do it's thing; he doesn't contribute. So overall yamato is not playing like he does when he's town. He's not helping us, and his day 1 vigi shot was incredibly anti-town. If he was town there was no reason for him to do what he did. In his town-game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults and we'd know about it? Let's see shall we? Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote: Holy fuck you guys wasted a ton of pages saying nothing. Is it sad that the best town player since I went to bed last night has been Oats? Also, everyone calling out Acro for voting Ver is ridiculous. That post was bad and he should feel bad. I feel like no one saying anything of any significance about VE and his idiocy at the start of the game is disturbing. Why did he react the way he did to me randomly calling him mafia? Why did he fall in line with Corazon to attack me for very little reason? VE acting weird to start the game. People aside from super have ignored him and I am annoyed by it. Bugs, if you're town, I suggest you quit the useless posting. It's fine to roleplay and all, but I want SOME sort of reads/hidden analysis in there. Right now it's just nonsense. Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro... ##Vote: Yamato Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. HE LITERALLY USES THE WORD ASSHAT THAT FOOLISH SAYS HE USES WHEN HE IS TOWN. Show nested quote + On March 12 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote: I was at work while I was doing the stuff with my role. It's in my filter, you lazy, scummy dumbasses. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: There's more in his filter, go look for yourselves. I think I've adequately described how what FOolishness is saying is complete bollocks. He IS doing the things that FOolish is saying he does as town, yet Foolish is calling him mafia. okay i get this part. the implication being that foolishness as town would make more sense? + Show Spoiler [stuff about crossfire] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue. I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on. The first paragraph he's using here is an argument that because Crossfire was in no danger of getting lynched, he'd purposefully put himself immensely in the spotlight as mafia by launching a nuke at Foolishness. This makes little to no sense. Further, slOosh's explanation of his role was that he made the PMs he sent sound like the receivers of the nukes HAD to use them or bad things would happen. So he was compelled to use the nuke. But Foolishness glosses over this completely. And to the "out of the blue" comment. Apart from what I just wrote, I will reiterate that town are usually impulsive and doing things out of the blue. Mafia sit back and blend in, townies have no fear. This is really basic mentality stuff that Foolishness fails to grasp, or rather is twisting in a ridiculous fashion to fit his narrative. Dandel Ion commented very well on the 2nd paragraph I quoted here. We should all be able to agree that Crossfire on Day 1 was playing quite far outside of his town meta. And yet he's calling it inconclusive. He then again uses the faulty nuke logic to call him mafia. No no no. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Do you remember earlier in the game when supersoft said a good case provides pros and cons? Of course Foolishness fails to mention Crossfire's behaviour at the deadline, he also fails to mention how Crossfire behaved with his explanations about the nukes. Like austin (and others?) pointed out, he came across as genuine and sincere here, but of course this is missed out entirely. foolishness's town cases don't do this kind of pros and cons stuff. Example: clicky. I don't think many people's cases ever do; they're trying to persuade people, not walk them through their thinking. This point is not good. + Show Spoiler [corazon stuff] + On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Corazon. The only at all trolly thing that Corazon has done this game is to do his King Of Hearts thing, which is VERY EVIDENTLY part of his role. How is he using this as a comparison to past games? If we take out his role-related King of Hearts thing, Corazon is quite clearly playing very, in fact far too, seriously, which here Foolishness himself admits is how he plays mafia. I've talked about Corazon enough, but to remind you, his constant questions to town of "are you SURE there isn't someone scummier than me?", his blind tunnel on yamato, and his refusal to comment on Foolishness are all damning. To repeat, according to Foolishness' own analysis, Corazon IS playing a 'serious' game apart from his stupid role-related stuff. THere is literally no light-heartedness, he's cursing people, he's refusing to play, he's martrying, he's refusing to engage in conversation. This is fun, trolly, town Corazon according to Foolish? What a load of shit. The rest of his post is regarding me, which I will make in a separate post to expose more of this guy's nonsense. This part is good at persuading me that foolishness is wrong. Marv - we can all tell that foolishness wasn't paying enough attention to the thread But none of this is the meat that I'm really looking for, Marv. I don't really want you to pick apart his cases on other people. We've all noted that they were subpar and that it's odd that while his best case argumentation was on why you are scum, he called for the other two lynches first. But what I need is some response to his answers to your case. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:06 GMT
#2983
On March 15 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote: If anyone can get a legitimately strong read on risk.nuke without using activity level or associations concerning who he's been pushing/defending, then they're seeing something I'm not. i will take your challenge | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:07 GMT
#2986
On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote: On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote: i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had. his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff. kill foolishness. also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:25 GMT
#3002
On March 15 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote: The point about Crossfire, s&b, is that he refuses to account for the 'townie' things that Crossfire has done. If his case had explained why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie (last minute deadline, nuke reaction) then I'd understand. he doesn't "refuse" to account for them, he just doesn't account for them. it makes his case less persuasive than if he had found a way to explain those actions as coming from scum motivation. but the post wasn't a case on crossfire, it was a case on you, and the crossfire thing was almost an aside. Actually, this might be a tell as well - I just looked through all his town games for the past ~ two years and I can't find any where he's made a "big case post" that wasn't just focused on a single case about a single person. The closest he's come was a big "reads in case I die" post in like TL L. I assume that's because he knows that's how to best lead a town into agreeing with you on a lynch. However, as scum he has included secondary cases in his "big case post" in Parallel Worlds, for example. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:25 GMT
#3003
On March 15 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: strongandbig, do you contend then that mafia are more impulsive than town with their actions? I think you know that's blatantly untrue. You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself. im saying impulsiveness depends more on the player than their alignment. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:26 GMT
#3004
On March 15 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote: On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote: On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote: On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote: i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had. his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff. kill foolishness. also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. this just means you're not very good dear. ouch, burned | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:28 GMT
#3006
On March 15 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote: Just to elaborate on what I said about s&b. This is mafia s&b on Day 1 of Chrono Trigger: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 08:22 strongandbig wrote: On November 22 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote: Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far? oh also I forgot to answer this I liked his takedown of cave johnson I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town. Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me? Show nested quote + On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote: holy shit this thread Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform. no, tbh i stand by what i said there 100%. in the situation where there's a mayoral election between you and veterans who you respect, i expect you as scum to be much more likely to run for mayor than you as town. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 16:56 GMT
#3028
On March 11 2013 04:35 risk.nuke wrote: ##fos "useless" s&b scummy points On March 11 2013 17:14 risk.nuke wrote: How scummy would scum Acrofales look if Acrofales did roll scum? However those who would call themselves my friends still will not see. If yamato is town sloosh looks terrible (or rather more terrible). Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 13:04 slOosh wrote: u kids so bad a) yamato uses mod-confirm check day one on kurumi b) yamato then day vigs mod-confirmed town kurumi c) people complain and call yamato bad but don't vote him d) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town e) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town f) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town srsly if anybody doen't realize this and considers themselves good, well, maybe you need to bend over to see just how low you really are. ##Vote: yamato These are exactly how a mafia accusing a dumb townie post would look. and in combination with his lack of townie points On March 11 2013 01:42 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote: I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. Any fucking reason at all why you decided to claim? marv dont ignore me Because if he's telling the truth keeping a power like that secret is just destructive to town. townie points On March 13 2013 18:39 risk.nuke wrote: Morning, I know you think my scum meta is to disappear but I assure you I haven't lost interest in this game. Over the nightphase I was content reading, I'm back now to discuss lynches. on claims So supersoft is still alive during this cycle as confirmed town. Sloosh's claim is extremely weird but it sounds like he will be doing a kamikaze at midday so lets leave him alone and see where that goes. scummy points On March 14 2013 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: We shouldn't be to worried about the nukes. With 2 it's pretty much guaranteed some there are duds in this. Don't let it sidetrack lynch discussion. And unless the nuke-senders claim their nukes are duds before they hit. Assume they didn't know they were duds. townie points After taking the risk.nuke challenge, I've changed my read. I no longer think he's "likely scum". Instead I now think he's town. A closer reading of his filter led me to conclude I missed a few of his reads because they were disguised as spammy one-liners, but he actually does have reads and followed up on some of them, to a certain small extent. And he has a few posts that seem more likely to come from a pro-town mentality. So compared to several other people in the thread, I no longer think he's one of the most likely scum. So risk, some questions for you: - During day 1, you were pretty strongly of the opinion that Sloosh was scum. How has his "gambit" and his explanation of it changed your read? - During day 1 you also thought acrofales was scum, any updates on that read? | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 17:49 GMT
#3055
On March 15 2013 02:20 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Marv is like a huge fat cancer on your dick, you really love your dick and wish the best to him, and you are happy that it looks so big now, and the cancer grows and grows but you don't realize that one night you will die to it. It will kill you. You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is. And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick" And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick. + Show Spoiler + Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Best. Thing. EVAR. lololol i was really worried about clicking that spoiler | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 20:32 GMT
#3094
On March 15 2013 05:14 marvellosity wrote: That's good analysis austin, the only problem with the conclusion is that both supersoft and I believe Oats to be town thats not a problem with the analysis, you're being sloppy with your logic. It's an outside piece of evidence that you think should weigh against the analysis. btw, why do you think oats is town? Still the same reason as before (non-specific "meta read" based on your gut impression)? | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 20:41 GMT
#3097
in that ginormous reads post, marvellosity wrote: Oatsmaster. Suspicious of a lot of people, that's how he plays town. He is always all over the place, he asks stupid questions, and apparently contradicts himself quite a bit. this doesn't make him mafia. Oats plays SCARED as mafia. is better than On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 21:51 GMT
#3109
On March 15 2013 06:49 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote: On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote: On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote: On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote: All I've seen from Acro's filter is: "Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish" BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? you don't lynch decafchicken youre missing the ... on day 1 if you keep decafchickening you stand a pretty good chance of getting lynched | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:07 GMT
#3114
On March 15 2013 06:53 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 06:51 strongandbig wrote: On March 15 2013 06:49 prplhz wrote: On March 15 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote: On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote: On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote: On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote: All I've seen from Acro's filter is: "Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish" BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? you don't lynch decafchicken youre missing the ... on day 1 if you keep decafchickening you stand a pretty good chance of getting lynched "missing the ..." please explain The statement BC made is "you don't lynch decafchicken on day 1" not "you don't lynch decafchicken". the implication, in the context of wbg's lynch, was that for cryptic players who are difficult to read at the start, you don't lynch them early on but wait until you can read them better, but if you don't get a town read on them after a while you should be free to lynch him. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:23 GMT
#3118
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:25 GMT
#3119
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:31 GMT
#3123
read the whole thing, i suggest others do too. ##vote: foolishness | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:43 GMT
#3130
Not reading the thread, mostly | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:44 GMT
#3131
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:47 GMT
#3136
On March 15 2013 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Don't have time to read the thread right now. You wanna summarize you can, but I don't think you ever have anything important to say. Lol k Right now, you're just about the least important person for anyone to persuade of anything. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 22:57 GMT
#3153
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 14 2013 23:07 GMT
#3161
On March 15 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote: On March 15 2013 07:57 strongandbig wrote: Can someone please shoot vivax tonight? I would if I could but I tried to shoot foolishness last night and it turns out my role actually doesn't have any secret hidden powers why are you shooting someone marv is checking or ... is this a joke of some sort? Nooooooooooo, I'm completely serious. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 14:51 GMT
#3429
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 15:03 GMT
#3439
On March 15 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 15 2013 21:36 Acrofales wrote: On March 15 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote: On March 15 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote: On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote: On March 15 2013 12:15 marvellosity wrote: also hi slOosh. we need to talk. I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote: I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. <snip> This is actually a really good point. Why on earth would a Foolishness/Cora scumteam play like this? They could have used Foolishness' power so easily to kill off a townie (Cora could have moved his votes to Yamato or even me without anybody thinking twice about it), but because Foolishness exposed the way his power worked, we took precautions and got Cora lynched. This seems like such a stupid move from scum, that I doubt Foolishness is in a scumteam with Cora. risk.nuke brings up 3P. I guess that's a possibility. But what evidence for a 3P do we have? Unlynchable survivor seems ridiculous... and the KP from last night seems to be just scum, so no evidence for an SK (it's possible there was a doublestack or a save). So what wincon does the 3P have? So... Foolishness town? :O Also, regarding medic saves: are there hit notifications this game? It's this kind of post that incensed me in the Duel Mafia ObsQT. Fuck me, Acro. Why? Where is my reasoning wrong? How the hell does a scumteam throw away a free lynch on a townie? Both Cora and Foolishness were already the top 2 scumspects, so it's not as if someone unsuspected would be claiming scum by doing this. If Foolishness had kept quiet they could probably have gotten a townie lynched, pretty much for free. Why not do that? So Foolishness, the townie, has ALL his mafia reads wrong (probably), and not only so, outright, and blatantly, lied about me, about yamato, and about Corazon. Just outright, blatant untruths. This is impossible for a town Foolishness. Given he already made a whole host of errors this game, I'm not ruling him doing anything stupid out. He's simply not very good. so i actually find acro's point kind of convincing. i don't think it points in any way towards foolishness being town. however, if foolishness was on the scum team, it would be completely counterproductive for him to tell us that the second place vote getter gets lynched. if he hadn't told us that, he could just have told corazon to switch his two votes to someone else, maybe someone who already had one or two votes on him, and that person would have gotten lynched. there's no real downside there since the thread was already pretty sure corazon was scum, and since we were already trying to lynch foolishness. it would have let the scum team keep their 3kp for another cycle. so to me, it points towards foolishness being either an SK or some other weird third party role. It's not conclusive by any means, but if the question is "why would he provide town information that let us reduce scum kp for this cycle, when there was no downside for his team if he just didn't say anything" and your answer is just "because he's bad or stupid" then that isn't very convincing. I think a lynch-proof serial killer would be pretty ridiculous. it totally goes counter to what the incentives should be for town, the lynch is the town's main power against anti-town elements and the incentives should be for town to find them and lynch them. plus the fact that there were apparently no town-aligned kp last night makes me think it's unlikely that we have multi-shot vigilantes, which would pretty much be a requirement to balance a lynch-proof serial killer. Here's my wild guess - foolishness is Drazerk, has some variant on the attention-whore power from holy roman, has or had a one-shot KP, and his win con is to kill some specific role in the game or survive until they die. It's even possible that he has to kill Ace, and shot BC last night thinking he was Ace instead of RoL. (To me, BC's roleplaying could have pointed equally to either of those, although maybe there were things in it that actually pointed towards RoL that I didn't notice because I never played with him.) I think it's likely that he already spent his KP because he actually posted a case today and put some effort into pretending to be town, unlike yesterday, making me think he suddenly started to care about not getting vigged. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 15:14 GMT
#3463
On March 16 2013 00:13 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 00:04 GreYMisT wrote: MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT! The illusions fade as the lies are dispersed from the town. cDgCorazon's True Alignment is revealed! cDgCorazon (Palmar), was TOWN Plexa. GG. oh phew | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 15:18 GMT
#3471
(1) powers that put announcements in the thread, sure. powers that make the host lie in the player list? fuck that shit (2) On March 15 2013 12:08 cDgCorazon wrote: GG =) this post came three minutes after the flip, if I was town and just got called scum in my flip it would take longer than that to figure out what happened. this could be wrong if everyone involved had superfast pm reaction time but w/e | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 16:03 GMT
#3550
On March 16 2013 00:44 HiroPro wrote: yea they framed bumatlarge day 2. he's mafia in the OP, town in the endgame post. oh okay phew still think that a power that changes the op is ridic. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 16:05 GMT
#3551
On March 16 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 13:18 flamewheel wrote: The planting ability was amazingly powerful, and sadly that's all I contributed to this game. Kudos to my team; you guys did a good job. Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote: Looking from an outside perspective the mafia roles look really, really strong, especially the death framer. The tratior getting a free town kill when lynched is also... odd, I mean he lynches BC in his place, gets a free kp and forces the town to have to somehow kill him? That seems really, really strong. Not to mention the bomberman being a free extra kp, or the suicide bombers destructive potential. Mafia seems stacked. Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 13:30 Mig wrote: Yea the mafia roles are godlike. A bomb kp every single night. A role thief. A scum doctor. A puppetmaster. Pandain is gf + can permanently remove town powers. Syllo was fucking rber and admiral ackbar combined into one role, so anytime he was about to be lynched he could always suicide and kill the best town player. And then to top it off death framer is unreal good. Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 19:40 Curu wrote: Overall from scum I think the Bombmaker + Flip Framer were too ridiculous. Not to excuse Town's shoddy play and it's understandable that they neeed strong roles to compensate for everyone in Town having a power, but some of them were so ridiculous that they weren't ever going to be used - Vig that dies to a mishot, Vig that dies if he guesses role/alignment wrong, my own ability was purely luck based, and so on. Show nested quote + On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote: On August 23 2011 19:48 Curu wrote: Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too. Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Bull. I call bull on all of you. The fact that people are using this to push me as red is ridiculous, because I never used cora's alignment as a determination of another players. All the vets of TL Mafia agree that the death framer was too strong, and you guys think that kita and grey would decide to put it back into the game untouched. Wow. No. thats why they made the role so much weaker like are you serious right now? "untouched"? | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 16:10 GMT
#3554
On March 16 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote: GreYMisT's post may be treated as fact. it may be treated as fact it may also be treated as not fact this is a carefully worded comment imo | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 16:33 GMT
#3564
On March 16 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote: Wouldn't be at all surprised if the final team was: Foolish/Cora/slOosh/Vivax/Crossfire I don't know why risk.nuke would out himself as having received a nuke and associate himself with his scumbuddies. Far easier just to... you know, not mention it at all. or why they would send him a nuke and then have him not use it oh wait but then you could say exactly that once you start assuming sloosh is mafia you have to forget about the nukes and judge people by the rest of their filters, so the nuke is no longer a reason to think risk is town however, the rest of his filter is a reason to "lean town" on him, in my opinion. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 17:41 GMT
#3590
On March 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote: On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote: On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote: On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though. Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that ##vote: Vivax NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS! I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow. Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death. It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then? It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers. does the leader get a vote? Or only the people who got added? Or are the votes done by PM, and you just put yours in the thread to I ask this because no one was voting during the night last night, so it seems like | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 17:43 GMT
#3591
On March 16 2013 02:08 Stutters695 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote: On March 16 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote: On March 16 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote: On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though. Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that ##vote: Vivax NOooo! Shoot FOOLISHNESS! I'd rather let a regular vig do it so it isn't announced and it doesn't get rb'ed. Worst case if foolish lives we just lynch him again and coordinate to put a scummer in second again just in case it's an indefinite thing (I also can't know if the other person already locked in his shot but if he hasn't he can vote differently, we won't shoot and he can add you and we shoot tomorrow. Ok. I worry that we don't have a regular vig, but I guess the announce/roleblock thing makes some sense. And I do love me a bit of Vivax death. It's part of your role that you have to announce it in thread then? It's kind of weird. I guess someone had a town read on me because it's their role that's being used. They added me to a sleeper cell with a 1shot vig power. I assume each night they can add a new person (I got the notification pm with the day post). Each phase the leader can send one pm through the mods to the members of the cell and each night we vote on who to kill. If everyone in the cells votes match the shot goes off on that target(I don't know if it's instantly or at night resolution, I assume resolution).I announced it because it was obvious that's what was doing when I asked if he had a vet power and to make sure the leader and I were on the same page, but I wouldn't know if the bullet fizzed if I didn't know about vivax powers. does the leader get a vote? Or only the people who got added? Or are the votes done by PM, and you just put yours in the thread for transparency? I ask this because no one was voting during the night last night, so it seems like there was presumably no sleeper cell vig shot during that phase. Also one other question - when you say "sleeper cell", is that what the hosts told you it was or is that just an analogy you came up with? Because if the hosts used the term "sleeper cell" then I would start to be worried about alternate wincons etc. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 19:07 GMT
#3613
On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote: i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum. yeah i like this attitude | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 21:15 GMT
#3675
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 15 2013 23:36 GMT
#3697
On March 16 2013 07:32 slOosh wrote: Ok. This is probably my pivotal post. The way I did it was look at the playerlist, cross out dead people, make loose associations with Foolish cora scum, and my nuke crew (3 town 1 scum), so I'm left with lurkeresque type players. I guess they got away with producing less since me and Vivax was taking the full brunt of focus, given that we were playing on scum side for sometime. But I digress. On March 16 2013 07:54 Vivax wrote: Actually, no one might be scum tonight. What do these mean | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 16 2013 00:35 GMT
#3702
On March 16 2013 08:36 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2013 07:32 slOosh wrote: Ok. This is probably my pivotal post. The way I did it was look at the playerlist, cross out dead people, make loose associations with Foolish cora scum, and my nuke crew (3 town 1 scum), so I'm left with lurkeresque type players. I guess they got away with producing less since me and Vivax was taking the full brunt of focus, given that we were playing on scum side for sometime. But I digress. What do these mean Kill vivax and sloosh until they explain themselves It sounds to me like there's something that they've been coordinating on outside the thread. Until they explain these comments they should be treated as having claimed scum. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
March 19 2013 16:52 GMT
#4529
I didn't really try and role play, I figured just staying involved would be enough to keep me occupied after not playin for like three months. I liked my role, but it was unlucky that the first two people to die both had hidden components to their roles. I started assuming that I did as well, so I moved my death prediction off of BC and onto Foolishness because I thought I might be a secret vig or CPR doc or something. If I'd stayed on BC I would've survived an extra day (and probably voted for foolishness again or vivax T_T) | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
April 01 2013 16:46 GMT
#4589
On April 01 2013 22:01 austinmcc wrote: Was so convinced that snb was BH based on the paint pics and including BHs, plus figured BH was enough of a "personality" that he'd be in the game, and nobody counterclaimed. The Mr. Wiggles role is one of my favorites from the game. I like the idea of a role that can reward or punish the player based MOSTLY on what that player does. I'd be kind of interested in roles like that but where some of the powers aren't one-shot (one-shot vet powers always seem way less useful/more swingy than one-shot medic/investigative/etc.). Maybe something like a cop who gets different sanity checks back based on an input? Just something neat where a role can be more or less powerful than the french vanilla equivalent depending on some other factor. Thanks for the write-up and the thoughts on the roles. I sent in BC as my check at first. But when the first two players flipped both had hidden powers, I started assuming that everyone had hidden powers. I thought that my hidden power was likely either a vig or a CPR doc (especially CPR doctor since that would mean that my guesses would only be right when they were wrong lol), so I changed to Foolishness because I really really thought he was scum. But if I'd stuck on BC I would have survived an extra phase at least. | ||
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