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I haven't read the thread at all so I am going to go start doing that. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:32 Acrofales wrote: Welcome DarthPunk! Hope you do more than Ver. Have you read your role PM? I know how hard reading this thread is going to be, but if possible, some first impressions, please? Hi! <3 I DID read my role PM.  My First impression is that the thread is spammy and marv is alive day 2. I hope that Helps but it probably doesn't  Give me some time and I'll endeavour to catch up  | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:26 yamato77 wrote: I've skipped a good 30 pages at times and I've missed very little important stuff. I was all like better read marvs filter. 26 pages. :o | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Only scum wants to skip pages cause they already know who is scum/town. So therefore nothing is important to them really. Also their scumbuddies can notify them about important things. What are you saying here? It sounds like you are calling yamato scum without actually calling him scum? Care to clarify? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: Just read my filter. Prom's filter is actually pretty good, too. Read Foolish and decide for yourself what alignment you think he is. Read Corazon. Read sloosh Read strong and big. Ignore Vivax/Marv for obvious reasons. You should be able to figure out what's happened in the game from that stuff. Eh. I'll probably read the whole thread and then go back through filters after. Thanks for recommending that reading though, I have to say I am not in love with Promes posting style this game. Anyway, I think I can figure the rest of this shit out on my own. Don't want to clutter the thread now, do we? | ||
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On March 15 2013 00:37 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 00:33 DarthPunk wrote: What are you saying here? It sounds like you are calling yamato scum without actually calling him scum? Care to clarify? He shot a townie (Kurumi) over his scumread (VE) with the argument that Kurumi voted for himself. He made that decision within 13 minutes after the vote, while Kurumi was under suspicion from other players, for roleplaying in a roleplaying game, after claiming a role that scum would never claim cause it was so good. Is yamato townie enough for you? Yeah I read through all that already. To be honest that doesn't really make me think Yamato is scum. In fact I think it is a far bigger town tell than scum tell. I think a townie is far more likely to fearlessly make a reckless move like that that is likely to draw attention to themselves. Kind of funny actually cause yamato is my strongest town read so far (~page 35) for those exact reasons. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you not reading the thread? yes. I dont have a case. I didnt imply so I said that he could be an alternative lynch target. My read changed cause my read on foolishness changed. You only asked one question. Hmm. I don't think I have read or could read anything that would rationalise a vote on someone you have called town a few times now. But forgive me. I replaced in 2 hours ago and have not yet managed to read every post in this thread. That is obviously my fault so I will try and do better. You don't have a 'case'. You didn't even IMPLY having a case (although in my opinion that is implied when calling for a lynch) but you believe that yamato is scum correct? You surely must to propose him as a lynch target. If that is the case then you must have a reason for thinking he is scum. What is the reason? Why did you try to imply Yamato was scum without saying so when he stated he skimmed the thread? | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh that thing? It was fishing for a reaction. I dont want to change my vote cause I cant really be bothered. So sue me. I thought you were talking about marv+fool town who now? I don't know if it is just me but I don't understand the last part. Also if you could direct me to the reason behind your call to vote Yamato I would appreciate it. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:30 marvellosity wrote: Hey qtpie, care to take an actual stand on Foolishness rather than the supporting cast? No not yet. | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: This is the post I was talking about in the last part Actually fuck this. Too much in favor of foolishness being scum right now. why is Yamato scum? | ||
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On March 15 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote: The case on Foolish as it stands is littered across all my posts, and Hiro's posts, in the thread. Foolish's main post is about page 131. My rebuttal to half of it is a few pages ago. Thanks! | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Marv is like a huge fat cancer on your dick, you really love your dick and wish the best to him, and you are happy that it looks so big now, and the cancer grows and grows but you don't realize that one night you will die to it. It will kill you. You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is. And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick" And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick. + Show Spoiler + Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Best. Thing. EVAR. lololol | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:48 Acrofales wrote: Just for the very remote possibility this is true: ##unvote ##vote Cora I want the second highest vote to be my strongest scumread. Err. What the fuck? why were you NOT voting for your strongest town read before? | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:55 Acrofales wrote: Because he wasn't getting lynched. I think Foolishness is scum too. Foolishness is more dangerous than Cora. You could... read my filter? Yeah. I could read your filter but it would have to get behind 120 pages of thread I still need to read and several more filters before I get to yours I am afraid. But fair enough I guess. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:05 Vivax wrote: The timing to say this is pretty scummy given you've almost not been pushing anything this day. The timing to say this is scummy if Cora flips town, that is. Regardless of the timing, It is true. As for not pushing anything, well I have only read 52 pages of a 160+ plus game I am not nearly up to speed. There is an almost certain lynch on foolishness that I am pretty much sheeping marv on while I catch up so I don't see the value in pushing anything whilst I am as ill informed as I am currently and certainly don't feel the need to do so just to keep up appearances. That said if something so basic as the fact that scum don't generally try to kill themselves when, in fact, killing themselves is an antithesis to their very purpose in the game comes along; I don't feel the need to not state my agreement with it simply because the circumstances of my arrival have prevented me from contributing much prior to that | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:07 Promethelax wrote: Hey oldest friend who I've missed This post is shit You add nothing at all To the Marv/fool brawl Could you give me a read list? I think yamato is town. I think marv is probably town and I am sheeping marv while I catch up. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:17 Vivax wrote: Scratch that actually he has a point, I remember how I felt replacing into Themed Game and barely being able to catch up. (Funny enough the first two guys I wanted to lynch were scum)/Swag Yep it's really difficult. No offense to everyone who wants me to 'read' or 'push a case' For me Bugs has not even been lynched yet so give me a break. K thanks. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:19 Promethelax wrote: Two reads does not a list make In my little game please partake Give me reasons and reads For that I plead. Your heart I don't want to break. No. Because I don't have any apart from those, and I'm not 100% on marv as it is. I am not going to fake some just because you are asking me. | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:21 marvellosity wrote: Maybe if you didn't come into the thread to tell people to stop sniping at each other, you'd be able to read faster  Just saying bish <3 To be honest that was self motivated because I wanted to reduce the amount of crap that was generated on top of what I already had to read. <3 | ||
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On March 15 2013 11:25 marvellosity wrote: Townies gonna argue with mafia, son, and vice versa. That's a fact of mafia. It was all quite civil Yes, but Marv, and this is important, your filter is already 30+ pages. And I had to READ that marv. and i'll have to RE-READ it. | ||
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However; The thing that I have been thinking about is the way that Corazon reacted to foolishness' power. he didn't ONCE show doubt as to the workings of his unlynchable power when most of the thread were disbelieving of it to some extent. Corazon Immediately gave his will and acted as if he was dead DESPITE having far fewer votes on him than Foolishness. If corazon was town I cannot understand at all his instant belief that he would die for having the second highest vote count or why he wouldn't even try to use his two votes to start a wagon on someone else. If Corazon was scum then he would KNOW if foolishness was lying or not, regardless of foolishness' alignment. If foolishness is scum then he would simply tell corazon his power. If foolishness is town corazon would have know that and know that foolishness would have no reason to lie about his power like that as a townie. So I think corazon was probably scum. His behaviour around foolishness' claim and having the second highest votes doesn't make sense as a townie. I really don't like messing with flips but the behaviour just doesn't make sense if corazon was actually town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:11 yamato77 wrote: DP I would rather see that case now. Why is that? What possible reason could there be for posting a case now rather than after the day post? the only people it helps are scum. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:09 Vivax wrote: Nah I've kinda scratched crossfire again. DarthPunk is much more interesting, and I'll keep telling everybody about it. Well I do try to be interesting. Go right ahead. | ||
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All the free time I have had to play mafia has gone into trying to read this monstrosity of a thread. Yes that is an excuse. Get over it. It is the truth. Now I have read enough that I have a fairly solid case that I believe in, So I will make that case. I cannot believe sometimes how predictable people are. If I had come in here without knowing anything and made up some cases that I didn't believe in people would see me as townie for all the wrong reasons. Instead I try and make certain that any contributions I do make are useful not steeped in ignorance by taking my time and actually reading so I will be Correct. And people are up in my business. Oh and Vivax. a case based on he doesn't do what I would do in his situation is complete crap. SMH | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:19 yamato77 wrote: You could die, I could die, the person you think is mafia might die Don't wait. Any new analysis is welcome. If you die what does it matter? other people who didn't die would judge the case on it's merits. I am not going to die. If the person who I think is mafia dies then YAY! a mafia has been shot or a townie I was about to make an incorrect case on hasn't had an incorrect case made on them. Yeha you haven't really sold me on not waiting an hour and a half to post my case in the day. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:32 yamato77 wrote: DP that is not the kind of post to make. Let's see that case. Care to actually say something when you are saying something? WTF is: 'That is not the kind of post to make' If you can convince me that their is ANY value to posting my case before the daypost I will but I don't see any so far so I won't. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote: DP Why did you waste time earlier reminding us that you didnt read the thread? Do you think foolishness is scum? If/If not, what does that mean for marv's check. Waste time? I read from page 150 or so onwards as I was reading through the thread so I could at least be involved somewhat in current discussions. I don't think anyone would have preferred it if I had replaced in only to disappear for several days reading the thread. And as for saying I hadn't read the thread. Several people were answering with some variant of 'read the thread' to simple questions. So I politely informed everyone that I just replaced in and that this thread is enormous. So I won't be caught up for a long time. This quite frankly should have been common sense and yet I had to state several times that I had in fact NOT read the thread because apparently common sense is difficult. Ironically. If YOU had read the thread or even my paltry 2 page filter you would know the answer to the second question. But because I am nice I will not tell you to "read" and in fact answer your question politely. Yes I think foolishness is probably scum because I think marv is town and I KNOW marv is a better player than me so Sheepy sheepy sheep sheep. As for the check. It is incredibly unreliable as he had to announce it before hand which you and everyone should know already so I am guessing that question is some sort of test as to whether I, in fact, possess the common knowledge of everyone else? | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:40 Acrofales wrote: DP has time to bicker with other people in the thread, effectively ADDING to the amount of useless crap in it. DP does not have time to finish reading the thread and post some actual reads. QED. I already said I was posting a case later. your just piling on the bandwagon buddy. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes I think foolishness is probably scum because I think marv is town and I KNOW marv is a better player than me so Sheepy sheepy sheep sheep. Holy shit you didnt actually read the check.. In no way does DP state that he in fact is town, and coupled with his scumread on Foolishness means foolishness is also probably scum. WTF DP. Wtf are you saying Buddy? I think you think something that you haven't really thought through and so are busy reaching hasty and incorrect conclusions. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote: I'll hold my judgement until I see this case. you know and I know that you are one of the question marks of this game, so it matters a lot Yes that is fine. That is the nature of: 1.) replacing in to a spammy themed game day 2. 2.) not contributing very much. I am fine with being a question mark. But I am not going to let myself get lynched just because people don't like question marks. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: This is how many times you refer to reading the thread. waste of space. And that makes me scum because? Honestly I have a two page filter so if you are saying that I have spammed you are ridiculous. If you are saying I haven't contributed that is correct but also should be expected as a product of my arrival. The fact that people are expecting more out of a replacement in a game of this scope so late is ridiculous and also the reason I have had to keep reminding them that it is ridiculous. I wish I could have been left alone to read the thread but the sad fact is that I replaced in at 1am my time and by 3 am people were acting like I should have read everything already. | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:57 yamato77 wrote: I just want him to post analysis I'm proxy-marv since he is asleep so I have to put pressure on people to discern their alignment Your expectations like everyone else as to the amount I can do are far far too large. I replaced in day 2 it is now almost day 3. I had 150 pages of thread to read on top of the current reading. I also have real life. You all need to DRASTICALLY reduce your expectations of the amount I can contribute or lynch me. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:08 yamato77 wrote: He says he has a case I want to see it. Replacement excuse only lasts so long, IMO. And I told you I would post it after the day post. Round and Round in circles we go. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: STOP TALKING AND READ YOU IDIOT. The reason why people think you are scummy, me included, is that you feel the need to respond to everything with the little information you have because you didnt finish reading the thread. Which isnt helpful. I have read enough to start participating. I already mentioned that. If you had... Read my posts instead of this useless posturing on what I think you have mistakenly identified as an easy lynch. If I hadn't read enough I wouldn't be making a case would I. This is all very easy to discover if you had in fact... Read. And I can respond to anything I wish. The first objective as town is to not get mislynched. It would be far better if I didn't have to hold your hand to navigate you through your own idiocy. But that's life I guess. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:16 yamato77 wrote: I will say, I don't like his response to the pressure. Like I said, time will tell, but pressuring him is never an objectively bad move How have you pressured me? telling me to post a case that I already said I was going to post? ROFL. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote: So you have read the thread right? So you are now not treated as a replacement and you cannot use 'reading the thread' as an excuse ANYMORE. Welcome. No. I haven't read the whole thread. But I have read enough to know what's going on. I don't think I will ever read the whole thread. | ||
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On March 16 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote: I haven't read the whole thread and I am in the game I don't like you being an asshole to me about this stuff but usually that is a town tell. I'm not being an arsehole to you yamato. I am just being an arsehole in general. and here was me promising myself to play nice when I came back to tl mafia. Also you are my number one dead solid town read so I really do love you when you aren't being silly <3 | ||
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That being said I have seen marv be spectacularly wrong before. It's just not that common. | ||
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Stutters. First up he does nothing really just defends himself a bit from some rather weak attacks. Then after he is pressed for a read he whips out ASAP a throwaway read which also happens to be on one of his accusers crossfire. On March 12 2013 01:33 Stutters695 wrote: I've also never role-played I'm game before. My money is on xfire flipping scum. This is his first ‘scum read’ it’s not particularly good or convincing. It is a basic appeasement to those who were pressuring him it also happened to be one of his accusers and someone who was also under a certain amount of suspicion at that time. But it is day one right. we can expect people to throw out some basic scum reads early on but people rarely stick to them. It’s most posturing. Right? Wrong. Stutters then does something so classic to first time scum players. He locks into his first throw away read for the rest of the game. On March 12 2013 01:42 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was going you'd guys get who I received but apparently not. I rolled Kenpachi. I'll take it more seriously though. I want joking about XFire though, nearly everything else was worthless trolling since that seemed to be his MO. On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote: Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics. I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. Every post since then is pushing his first throwaway read on Xfire. or agreeing with the popular sentiment of the thread (sloosh, vivax, bugs) at the time but then back to his first read on Xfire. On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. On March 12 2013 03:26 Stutters695 wrote: I'm aware of that sloosh but here's what I take issue with: you haven't pushed him at all until recently (outside of one post) and you haven't said anything else. If you had spent all your time pushing him I'd understand but you haven't, you didn't weigh in on my blatant trolling, bugs noncommittal posting or Crossfires useless posts. Every. Single. Post. pushing for a lynch is honed in on his day one throwaway. he doesn’t need to do anything to fly under the radar aside from push crossfire with a small mention of one of the more popular lynch candidates then back to crossfire. Even his post on the mostrosity that has dominated the entire game (marv/foolishness) has some mention of crossfire. On March 15 2013 02:07 Stutters695 wrote: I'm awake now and caught up. Foolishness: I'm going to read some of his past games but I'm not sure I buy his trap. It's really his only post of value (aside from his meta analysis on Vivax based off of one of his scum games). He makes decent points but essentially all he said on Yamato was the vig shot was anti-town and so was the disappearing. His crossfire case is a bit better but again his whole case is based around an action and associations. If Yamato or cross flips town then everything in that post is random conjecture without any proof and he'll still have contributed nothing. He might make these types of cases all the time but I need to check it. I'm leaning scum but not my first choice. My gut tells me town on Marv. He saw the same things on Cross that I saw d1 and really seemed to be the only other person really pushing for Cross when it was headed towards WBG around 24h in. Through his filter I don't see nearly as much jumping around as people say (he's jumped between his top targets which i don't remember him doing quite so much but he's got reasoning behind it). Post on the other two coming up. On March 15 2013 04:10 Stutters695 wrote: Also since its the only option I agree with (although I still think Crossfire needs to hang) ##vote: Foolishness On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote: Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap. Stutters has been flying under the radar by pushing corssfire and only crossfire or the populist consensus at the time. Furthermore, I have played with stutters a couple of times and while he is usually really inactive he has in several games made some really good arguments and thoughtful additions to the discussion when he has actually decided to contribute. This game has none of that. All he does is mindlessly push crossfire or agree with the popular sentiment at the time. There is nothing of the town stutters who offers rare but insightful posts. Tunnelling one player is a super easy strat to pull off and common for first time mafiosos’ Stutters is using his tunnel to fly under the radar. Stutters is using his tunnel to avoid scumhunting while still holding a ‘position’ Stutters is scum. | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:17 Vivax wrote: Kill yamato or marv finally. Enough said. Me rambling more doesn't stimulate brain growth. This town is depressing.at least dandel is dead so that's something (that marv wants to use to argue he's town) Yamato is town. Marv is far less likely to be town though. | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:21 yamato77 wrote: How the fuck is Foolish that wrong about me I do not trust that flip whatsoever You think that foolishness was red that flipped green? The precedent for altering flips was set with corazon and the announcement etc. You think that there is a power to alter flips with an announcement and then another power to alter flips with nothing at all? I don't buy that and it falls far too heavily into the realm of bastard hosting for my liking I am afraid. | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:28 Stutters695 wrote: Well I got a notification saying my sleeper cell KP has been used so that explains one of the KP. Or you are scum and that explains one of the KP. | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote: DP you might not have noticed but with Cora the announcement was twelve hours after the flip. I find it hard to believe that a death framer would have multiple shots however so I doubt we'll see anything. :/ Stutters you may not have noticed but the flip had an announcement of the announcement. | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:40 Acrofales wrote: I probably agree with you on Stutters. Have to reevaluate Marv before doing anything of the kind. Him being alive might be because of DI. That thing about DI is actually true. Marv being alive isn't doesn't actually look as bad as I thought it does. But you really need to read my case on stutters. It is actually good. | ||
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Lynchbait do obviously stupid stuff which scum try and lynch them for. Things like Yamato's Vig shot would be lynch bait IMO. Stutters does not. He does what he needs to to not be looked at but doesn't actually contribute much. A good comparison would be Djodref from Mario Mini. He looked to be actively contributing, was doing enough to be called town but was actually contributing nothing and was so fucused on one small thing the whole time hid it really well. Also I don;t care about the sleeper cell thing. That could actually be a genuine power or not. A townie could have chosen him and he just told the truth or not. That is not integral to my case. The case is that stutters has done nothing but has done it so well that he is successfully flying under the radar. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:11 marvellosity wrote: just for balance reasons alone DP has to be mafia but i don't think i'm gonna get town to lynch on that GTFO. seriously. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:07 yamato77 wrote: Stutters always does nothing, dude. ALWAYS. Yeha when stutters actually does nothing he get's modkilled for inactivity. Stutters isn't doing nothing. He is flying under the radar. that is doing something. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:14 marvellosity wrote: find me a normal game ever that doesn't have one or two vets on the scumteam and then tell me it's bollocks thanks So Ver is the only 'vet' other than foolishness? everyone knows you are at least as good as foolishness/ver ever was and there are lots of other very very good players in the game. Also I KNOW it's bollocks because I KNOW the game was balanced like that. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:18 marvellosity wrote: you also have no idea how the game is balanced. And you do? | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: I know that kita will not tell you how the game was balanced or setup. Why don't you ask a green question in thread hmm? How do you KNOW how the game was balanced? Explain this to me. I DON"T I was arguing against YOU Knowing. the only way I know it wasn't balanced how you were implying is that I know ver's alignment. | ||
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On March 16 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote: I don't think Stutters is mafia tho Obviously. If you think I am mafia. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote: No, go read my post from last night, and read about what other ppl said about his vigi thing. It seems more townie. The fact that both you and slOosh are pushing Stutters makes me think it's pretty likely he's town. the vig thing could have happened to him as scum/town. So that shouldn't make any difference to a read on him. And tat is why I ignored it. further, you are making associations before flips with at least one person whom you are wrong about (me) and the only stated reason that you have is that I am scum because "hurr durr vet balance." or that you 'don't like' my posts Seriously you keep implying that I am scum with nothing behind it. Why don't you either make a case on me or drop it and make a case on whoever it is you want to lynch. I am having a really hard time reading you right now because I am torn between you just playing really really badly which is not something I would expect or that you are scum with a giant filter and few slip ups. The thing is though I read a lot of that game in which you were scum with ZB and you had an enormous filter in that game. And that was a mini. So please do something. pursue your largest scum read. It is really important for town to be able to read your alignment right now. Probably the most important thing period. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:35 marvellosity wrote: If you want to read my alignment, you should have done so already. Go back to those posts I made in response to Foolishness, and tell me if they were unnatural or if I twisted anything in there, because I'm pretty damn sure I didn't. Don't compare a 20 page filter in 5 days to a 35 page filter after 2 either, please. The only blight on my alignment is the fact that I was wrong about Foolishness, so if you can genuinely read those posts I made in response to him as faked and my reasoning was wrong, then call me mafia. Otherwise there's nothing. You and I both know that things changed after foolishness flipped green. especially after all that shit flinging between you two. You may think that your filter and alignment is easy to read but it really isn't. that fight with foolishness was about as enlightening as a quagmire. You will do what you want. And that is fine. But I request a case on who you think is mafia to make things easier. Like it or not the reality is that you are as much of a question mark as I am to several people. you have to be realistic. bed time. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok about Marv. This is from Hero, he rolled scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=140487 The amount of bullshit he posts he is incredible compared to in this game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=140487 Yeah. So marv is town. Ok, ONTO THE LYNCH> If you want anyone to listen to you, ever. You need to post more explanation than two links and then declaring marv is town. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote: I am being realistic, go do what I say and come back to me. don't tell me what to do. I will just ignore you unless I actually want to do it. Also I have read your filter. It was a nightmare. And I am still pretty worried about you. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote: ok, DP. Here's why you're mafia. Because I sheeped you after being in the game for three hours? and have now stopped blindly sheeping you after being far more well informed? I don't know about you but that seems totally reasonable to me and in no way says anything about me being mafia. You should know that and I do know that. It's 2 am i'm closing everything. Feel free to post as much as you want on why I am scum i'll get back to you tomorrow. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:49 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: DarthPunk You are playing really badly or are scum. Nice case. Night! | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: You clearly didnt read the games. Now go back, read both filters and tell me that he is the same alignment. Go on. I am not going to read two filters that is a ridiculous ask. Just a short summary with some relevant examples would be nice. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote: Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points - yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him - today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire No. If you want the truth. The reason it was so easy is because the opposing cop checked was mentioned in something I read. And I did not yet know that you had to declare it until I read through a heap more things. I had been in the game 3 hours at that point but when someone says opposing cop checks and you are town it suddenly becomes really easy. | ||
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On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote: Thought you were going to bed, bitchypoos? You have a penchant for keeping me up past my bedtime. | ||
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On March 17 2013 00:01 marvellosity wrote: Then why didn't you say that at the time? You said the relevant posts, the ones I pointed you to. no the relevant post is the one that said there were opposing cop checks. You are being blatantly manipulative now. Which is weird because manipulation comes from pushing an agenda rather than seeking the truth. Which are you doing with me? | ||
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On March 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote: You asked for Foolish's case and the rebuttal I told you where to find them You came back and said it was easy what am I manipulating? You're telling me something totally unverifiable after the fact and accusing me of manipulating? Are you for real? The way you present your argument is that the relevant posts are the posts in which you pointed me towards. they are not. And anyone with half a brain would KNOW that deciphering your mess was impossible to be easy. it was ONLY easy because of the cop check. and after that I just sheeped you because you are a good player until I could catch up with the thread. Ciao | ||
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On March 17 2013 17:34 Mocsta wrote: We will see. nothing you have done has sold me on marv = mafia.. I stand by being wrong does not equate to being scum the reason you think he doesnt give a shit is because you been too uninvolved to read the thread. it takes me like 3hrs most of the days to erad the thread cos so much bullshit was going on (obviously its slowed down past 2 days).. but yeah, marv certainly did give a shit.. your filter read is so biased and twisted Lol its not actually funny Marv is scum. He has stated that he thinks I am the best chance of flipping scum in this game but has done absolutely nothing to push a lynch on me. Furthermore he says that he could also Lynch xfire over me. He does not seem vested at all in my lynch and he should be with me as his biggest scum read. Furthermore is the fact that his case on me was awful, 3 quotes and a vote. No analysis. Nothing. No effort. Not invested in pushing me as a lynch beyond some token pressure. Marv is scary good as town. If he truly believes I am scum he would be pushing me far harder than he is. Yamato is actually right in his case and I think that the main reason people don't want to vote for marv is because he is marv. Newsflash. Marv is just as likely to roll scum as the rest of us. | ||
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On March 17 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm? Show me lylo where town marv pushes case hard? Or lylo where scum marv doesnt. If you cant do that, you cant meta read him. It's not a meta read. It's a case of a townie would yell and kick and scream for his biggest scum read to get lynched at lylo. A scum doesn't care as much who gets lynched at lylo so they are less committed and act the way marv is acting, not caring about really pushing his biggest scum read (me) giving a weak as shit case that just shows blatant disinterest, keeping lynch options open (marv says I have the best chance of flipping scum and yet is also fine with not lynching his biggest scum read at lylo. It's not a meta thing. It's a townie thing. And marv ain't doing it. Also he only claimed he is roleblocked AFTER his ability didn;t work like it was supposed to. WTF IS THAT! he calls me scum for not expressly explaining EXACTLY what post I am referring to in a throwaway remark 2 hours into the game. But he just FORGETS to tell people he is role-blocked after his ability doesn't work?!?!? | ||
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On March 17 2013 20:20 Oatsmaster wrote: So he is scum because he forgot to tell everyone he is roleblocked? Anyway can you check out sloosh's filter and see what you think, since you werent here day 1/2? NO that is a dramatic and intentional simplification and straight out dismissal of what I wrote. It seems that you have an agenda and do not posses an open mind or the ability to objectively weigh the marv case. | ||
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On March 17 2013 20:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes I dont have an open mind. (scummy right) Yes I simplified that, my mind was on whether you/sloosh were scum. Its not that I disagree with you, but think about it, marv was so set on the idea that foolishness was scum, that all his reads were based around that. Now that the tower has crumbled, marv is left with the bill. What is he gonna do? Instantly think of someone else to lynch? He thinks I am scum and is doing nothing about it. That is so scummy and you KNOW it is scummy. He successfully crapped up the thread with foolishness and brought all of day two to ahead with the vote having to be Foolishness or himself. Everyone had to sheep marv or foolishness and when anyone tried to discuss anything OTHER than foolishness he promptly brought it back to him again. This situation was entirely manufactured by marv. we had very little other discussion day two because of marv, and what little there was was shat all over by the foolishness debate. Now at mylo I am his number one scum read with a weak as shit case backing up an even weaker vote and he is doing nothing to elevate us out of the hole he dug for us. Now tell me why on earth town marv could not only be wrong multiple times but then shit up the thread and be useless DESPITE his 30+ page filter? I admire marv's play to much to buy any of his play this game to be honest and other people like yamato see that too. But keep going Oats, and when marv flips scum we will lynch you afterwards. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:07 marvellosity wrote: P.S. I have not been wrong 'multiple' times, I was wrong (in a major fashion) once. I was right about Corazon, I was right about bugs not being town, I was right with all my townreads so far. You are wrong about me, who the fuck knows about cora. and getting foolishness that spectacularly wrong counts for two. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:12 marvellosity wrote: Getting a player wrong THAT EVERYONE AGREED ON counts for 2? What is this fucking ridiculous hyperbole? You forced the issue, we both know it. You pushed so hard and screamed so loudly that we either had to for vote you or foolishness and everything else got crushed under the weight of all that noise. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:17 marvellosity wrote: Everyone came down on my side supersoft the confirmed town who isn't weak and caves to noone came down on my side after rereading both our filters don't try and bullshit and say "it counts for 2". that's just you inflating things for absolutely no reason. Pretty scummy I would say. I got Foolishness wrong, and that's what you can say about it. "It counts for 2" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in this entire thread yet, and we have Vivax playing so that's saying something. Lol another throwaway remark responding to nothing meaning nothing makes me scum because you don't like it. The damage from getting foolishness wrong was enlarged because of the way that it dominated all of day 2 and lots of people listened to you because of your rep. I know I did. Anyway this is counter productive and I refuse to shit up the thread today as well. We are not going to agree. ##Vote: Marvellosity Oats I'll read sloosh's filter later tonight after I spend some time on my other game. | ||
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On March 17 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote: I thought the cop check that you never mentioned and somehow you didn't know was unreliable was why you voted Fool. My mistake...... And when I found out it was completely useless I sheeped you because you are you. You know that because it is in my filter which you have read. Stop making things seem to be something they are not. Actually forget it. This is pointless and I refuse to engage with your blatantly misleading one liners. | ||
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Sloosh Is almost 100% town. I played scum with him to endgame in liquid city and he does not post the way he has been posting this game as scum. As scum his posting is a lot more, constricted? I guess. Not as free flowing. But in this game his posting seems to flow like 1000 times better than when he posted in liquid city. Also there is more fire to his posts this game than in LC. The one thing that worries me is that in both liquid city and here he is lurking but that can be explained by time constraints and his posting here is a lot different in content and style. So yeah. Town sloosh. As to the hiro/vivax thing. Doesn't really make sense for scum to do what hiro did, so he probably got the check back. I don't know how accurate it is with a bazillion power roles in the game. So I would rather just lynch marv and then sort it out in the next cycle. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:50 HiroPro wrote: Im here. I dont know exactly how vivaxs role works. I only get a rolename. Kita wouldnt tell me exactly how he determines the name but its based on whatever powers the person has. I ched s&b because i didnt have a good read on him and the way that he went after bugs looked fake to me. I was going to check corazon at first but then i startrd thinking risk was palmar after he fid the fistpoynd thing and i couldnt come up with a persomality for corazon. Unless you think im mafia you need to voye gor vivax right now. Also look at what he is doing right now. If he was town he would be voting for me but instead hes scared that hel get lynched if he tries to 1-1 eith me. There is a framer of some description in this game. Your check is potentially unreliable and I honestly don't view vivax as scum based on his play this game. It's not worth risking lynching at mylo/lylo based on that check IMO. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote: this is a terrible argument. the percentages are, that if hiro is telling the truth, his check is reliable. of course Vivax *could* have been framed, but out of all the players left who could have been framed, the percentage chance of Vivax specifically being framed is fairly low No it's not. Because Vivax is really likely to be checked. As a cop you check people who are likely to be the centre of the lynch debate the following day. VIVAX was certainly going to be in the lynch debate today. For all the reasons that hiro checked Vivax a framer would equally frame Vivax. But I am sure you don't care about that because you just want to get a mislynch on whoever you can stick one on. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote: actually the most inresting thing about that comment from DP is that he's basically accepting Hiro is town. hmm. Yep because as YOU YOURSELF stated there is no reason for scum hiro to fake claim at that point in time and it also didn;t read like a mafia claim because it wasn't polished at all and looks kind of bad. Mafia claims are going to be spot on really well crafted things. This wasn't | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:18 marvellosity wrote: therefore we should kill vivax. there are a bunch of players who are likely frame targets. crossfire, stutters, sloosh, DP, Vivax, risk, prplhz and you're arguing there's a high likelihood vivax gets framed? no, with that many players who are lynchable, the chances are very very low that vivax gets framed. possible, but maybe 15% Not worth the risk at LYLO. But you won't listen to me. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:24 marvellosity wrote: IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK OF LYNCHING A REDCHECK AT LYLO am i hearing this right?!?!?!?!?!? It's not worth lynching a red check with a confirmed framer in the game when that check is the most likely to have been framed. I don't want to risk the entire game on it. also I am pretty sure you are scum and Vivax is town and the fact you are pushing it so hard makes me even more sure that lynching you is the best option. But you are not going to agree with me because you are scum so I am going to disengage with you once again so you can't crap all over the thread like you did with foolishness. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:29 marvellosity wrote: btw Hiro. if you're actually mafia and DP is the stupidest town alive i will not be congratulating you post-game Doomed to be an idiot according to marv for the rest of my mafia days. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:39 marvellosity wrote: let's have a sensible conversation DP. When there are literally about 7 players who are very likely to be checked (i listed them earlier), why do you think it's a bad idea to distrust a redcheck when the percentages are very high? Because the red check is the exact opposite to my reads. and you are pushing it really hard. So my biggest scum read is pushing his largest detractor with a red check that could be unreliable. super hard. even though hero 'could' be scum or vivax could have been framed. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:45 marvellosity wrote: na, you sounded pretty convinced Hiro was town, you even went with the exact same reasoning i went with. whether i'm pushing it or not is irrelevant. also you've never given any sort of strong read on vivax. you're bullshitting hard. LOL vivax has pushed you hard all game. If you are both scum I will vomit. Seriously you and vivax just can't be the same alignment. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:45 Acrofales wrote: Honestly, I see no reason for framers to be on Vivax yesterday. Given Vivax's cryptic hints about DP "may or may not be scum" I would always have framed DP (unless he's godfather). Of course, if Vivax is scum, then they wouldn't have to do that, but then IF there's a framer, he didn't frame Vivax. If a cop checks someone then a framer is likely to use similar reasoning to frame that person. Anyway This is going nowhere so I am disengaging once again. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:48 marvellosity wrote: "my argument has been crushed so i'm going away now" Whatever makes you feel better marv. When this is all over I will be content that I wasn't cowed by your scum play. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:50 marvellosity wrote: you're still running away from an argument you can't counter... we will just repeat ourselves ad nauseum and crap up the thread. It is pointless and anti town. I won;t convince you. YOu won't convince me. We are done. | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:36 Mocsta wrote: Im nervous about why Oatsmaster vote on sl0osh counts as zero.. & this power vivax holds, which may get marv lynched Yam, sl0osh, austinmcc, DarthPunk... you fuckers need to get off Marv and onto Vivax like NOW! Why would I do that when I think marv is scum and Vivax is town? Honestly, you have all been duped by scum marv and should feel bad. | ||
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On March 18 2013 11:43 Mocsta wrote: I can understand you not switching over cos you would rather vote town than scum... you SCUM Consolidate Vivax today, or feel the wrath of town next cycle! Your an idiot. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:05 Crossfire99 wrote: He knew he was toad, so definitely has some ability that worked. Like a rolecop? can we please lynch marv and hiro and stop being retarded if we have not lost already. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:05 HiroPro wrote: i didnt lie about anything. vivax must have been framed. Oh. He COULDN:T POSSIBLY BE FRAMED COULD HE????!?!? | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: huuuuuh. Why did you guys not assume that Vivax was framed and lynch sure mafia slOosh. Lookie now, he was not involved at all during the shitstorm where Vivax got lynched. WTF dudes you dun goofed. I did that. Mafia marv and his pals flamed me away for even daring to suggest such a thing. | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:53 Oatsmaster wrote: No, you thought sloosh was town cause 'meta'. K. Also you didnt actually push it, you went framed? Nobody listening? k. I said he could have been framed and not to risk it. No one listened and you are not reading now. | ||
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On March 18 2013 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote: You know whats the best part about a big game? There is more than 1 scum. :o So we dont actually have to lynch marv. MOCSTA YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!!> WE LYNCH SLOOSH REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT MARV IS ALIVE. good show. Sloosh is town and your an idiot. | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:09 prplhz wrote: gotta say that part of me is hoping this will be over soon All of me is hoping this is over soon. This has got to be the most dysfunctional town I have ever been a part of, EVER. | ||
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On March 19 2013 12:11 Acrofales wrote: Mocsta going full Vivax tonight. Yep and vivax went full grush57, and yamato is Bill Murray | ||
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On March 19 2013 15:09 risk.nuke wrote: Some offense, the better use of your role would been to not use it day1. Nah I think that was fine. Should have given everyone a town read on him day one. | ||
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On March 19 2013 15:25 Promethelax wrote: shooting a townie is never good. It was obvious he was town though. He was also shitting up the thread asking to be killed. Like, it wasn't great. It was average. not terrible IMO. | ||
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