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On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote:Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them.Instead, what is this? Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:52 Vivax wrote:
Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps:
VE and Oats quickly. Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked."
Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people."
You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town.Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 22:57 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not.
Quoted because it's important, bolded for emphasis.
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I don't know what an IC is 
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I did notice a distinct lack of "What do you think of me? What do you think of me? What do you think of me?"
Possible town motivations: roleplaying personality? Hiding role? Intimidated by playerlist?
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BWAHAHAHAAAH MY VOTE WAS ON TWO SCUM YESTERDAY TROLOLOLOL
FACTOR THAT IN SCUM! I'M GOING TO DECIDE EVERY FUCKING LYNCH
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On March 12 2013 07:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +
1. You never said you think Cora is scummy. You said you thought his actions were strange, and you specifically tell him that you're not attacking him. The only question in your entire filter directed to him is "Why don't you try and convince me of a yamato lynch" which, by the way, he DID respond to....by trying to convince you of a Yamato lynch. Yet you referenced "questions you want answered" a couple of times in your filter as if you'd made a case on him that you were waiting on a response to. Here, I'll quote it so you can't call me a liar anymore.
Well he was refusing to answer cause he was afraid of scum making a case on him if he pushed his reads so I acted nice and he still didn't push them. Easier to get something useful out of the guy if he doesn't think I think he's scum but I'm not so good at that.2. I explained later why yamato's actions are scummy, his choice of target sucked and was a comfortable target for scum, as you see no one except for a few are blaming yamato for Kurumi's death, so it was a successful shot for him. 3. Okay. VE you wanted to lynch yamato now you sound like you don't since you disagree on me thinking the shot was scummy what's up?
UH OH VIVAX HURRY THINK OF SOME REASON WHY YOUR READ OF CORA HAS CHANGED BRO
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Oats what are your thoughts on the hyperveterans? I'm referring here to BC, Ver and Foolishness. Just your objective, gut response is all I'm after here, I'm not asking you to reread them and give me full reads.
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What do you make of the fact that Ver is claiming he hasn't read his role PM? And how does this affect your assessment that "he'd give more of a fuck"?
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Not even professional players who probably receive 10s or even hundreds of PMs a day? Context Oats.
Anyway, thanks for your cooperation. I'm gonna get ready for work and think. Does anyone need anything from me? My time on this game will be focused tonight on answering the question I posed ~12 hours ago, so if you want response from me now is the best time.
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Give me like 10-15 minutes and I'm all your marv.
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Okay, I'm back. I'll shower tonight, this is IMPORTANT!
My problem with yamato has always been the fact that I wasn't certain he was town really fast. Look at the scumQT in Nomination: in spite of slOosh and some other townie, I advised AGAINST going after yamato because he was, by my estimation, the greenest player in the game. Granted, I knew he was town, but based on what I saw in the thread, I knew that if he were put under pressure, he would bring the fucking pain...and he did...to my chagrin. But this game I have had no such certainty of his alignment. I don't know how much of that has to do with roleplaying, or the circumstances in the game, but that's the core of my problem with Yamato this game: he's not obviously town to me.
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ebwop in spite of slOosh and some other townie being on him,
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Same. Although to be fair, it's not hard to look good when you've got this Foolish/Vivax thing going on.
But yeah, I'm feeling better about yamato too. What I don't get is slOosh' certainty of Yamato's guilt. What's that about?
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On March 13 2013 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same. Although to be fair, it's not hard to look good when you've got this Foolish/Vivax thing going on.
But yeah, I'm feeling better about yamato too. What I don't get is slOosh' certainty of Yamato's guilt. What's that about? Completely torn. Remember when he was so certain you were mafia in NMM2 that he actually misrepresented your posts coming up to deadline to ensure your lynch? It was so tunnelled and braindead (sorry slOosh) but he was town there. It's like what Hiro just asked really. If slOosh is only gonna talk about yamato, that's obviously a problem.
Conversely, my utter manipulation of him in Nom may be factoring into his play too if he's town. :/
Yeah I agree...so don't lynch tomorrow then is basically where slOosh stands for me. If he refuses to contribute anything but a yamato tunnel tomorrow, feel free to open fire or lynch D3. Agreed?
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Crossfire. Who has links for me? I'm not familiar with his play, and I don't know what games he's played.
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On March 13 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:43 HiroPro wrote:On March 13 2013 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Crossfire. Who has links for me? I'm not familiar with his play, and I don't know what games he's played. He played in Aperture 2, it was kind of a weird game and he was a member of a hidden 2nd scum team. Whose Line Is It Anyway - town Themed Mafia - mafia MTG 2 - mafia the main reason I (we? everyone?) didn't lynch him was because his last minute pop in to the thread seemed genuine. Now I'm not so sure about that at all.
This describes my feelings too. I've had lingering doubts about Crossfire based on how he was roleplaying early on - then he came back and it looked like he was going to contribute, but then roleplayed some more. Then he came back and was suprsrsmode - and he was on the block.
Like, everyone has a vested interest in not getting lynched, but it just seems to me that we wouldn't have been in a position where Xfire was up for lynch if he'd played the way he was playing at lynch time like, all day.
I'm gonna go peruse those games, let me know your thoughts on his meta (since you seem to be familiar already) while I'm gone.
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I think Ver is lying about not reading his role. That is an active decision to play against your win con, and Ver doesn't strike me as that sort of player from my limited experience with him. He also doesn't strike me as the type of scum player who would draw attention to himself by lying in such a manner. Conversely, Ver strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of town player who would lie about reading his Role PM.
Ver should be considered town Imo. Whatever that's worth.
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I've never claimed like that. /indignant
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No way you are demanding RB or Framer. Just like I'm demanding KP tonight. I think it's adorable. <3
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On March 13 2013 04:39 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Ver is lying about not reading his role. That is an active decision to play against your win con, and Ver doesn't strike me as that sort of player from my limited experience with him. He also doesn't strike me as the type of scum player who would draw attention to himself by lying in such a manner. Conversely, Ver strikes me as EXACTLY the kind of town player who would lie about reading his Role PM.
Ver should be considered town Imo. Whatever that's worth. Can you expand the meta read a bit? I still think it's a scum cop-out saying "guys, I cannot be held accountable for my shit". If it was a trap, he should have come back and sprung it. He didn't. The post was just an excuse to screw around, which is exactly what he has done.
Sure. Ver is a professional Starcraft player. Ver is a mafia enthusiast and, in general, a really nice guy. Ver has a deep respect for the rules of games, and he would never do anything that would betray the spirit of a game.
He hosted the first Personality, so he knows the depth of thought that was put into making the roles. And he knows that playing against one's win condition is explicitly against the rules of Mafia.
Therefor, Ver is lying about not reading his role PM. He knows who he is supposed to be, and he knows what team he is playing for.
It becomes a question of whether you think he'd lie about it as scum or town. You think scum, I think not. Hopefully he'll tell us one way or another in the hours to come, but I don't think he's a good lynch for tomorrow in any case.
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