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On March 13 2013 06:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).
If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Acro read this post for god's sake. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
you are also an idiot
if yamato was scum
he would be lying about his role
herpa derpa duh.
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On March 13 2013 07:13 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. Themed games don't equal normal. And the less time thing flies with me, I care more about what you did post than how much of it there was. But I don't know who your personality is, nor do I know how hard you're roleplaying as that person. "It's a personality game and I might be acting out of the part of some unknown person" is not as airtight an explanation as you're thinking. You might be roleplaying. You might be scum. Either way, your play this game looks scummy.
looking scummy is part roleplaying his personality
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On March 13 2013 08:02 marvellosity wrote:
giving helpful advice without actually having to find mafia is a really typical way for mafia to behave. i do it all the time. you probably do too.
my favorite case that i ever made was on supersoft for doing this kind of advice giving and then not following it. it is totally something he does as mafia
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huh i was assuming my role had a hidden component
but i guess it was just coincidence that the first two roles to be revealed had hidden powers
means i used it wrong last night, anyway. oh well.
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On March 13 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote:By the way. This is Foolishness' lynched-as-town statistic: Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Town Lynched Percentage (Minimum 10 games)
kitaman27 0/25 = 0.00%
Fishball 0/18 = 0.00%
Foolishness 0/18 = 0.00%
Keirathi 0/13 = 0.00%
Node 0/13 = 0.00%
supersoft 0/13 = 0.00%
chaos13 0/11 = 0.00%
barundar 0/10 = 0.00%
iamperfection 0/10 = 0.00%
DoctorHelvetica 0/10 = 0.00%
Eiii 0/10 = 0.00%
GMarshal 0/10 = 0.00%
Mementoss 0/10 = 0.00%
Does Foolishness look like a guy this game who's never been lynched in 18 games as town?
lol
##vote: Foolishness
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On March 14 2013 02:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 07:57 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 07:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 07:44 Vivax wrote:Marv/yamato/Hiro/S&B/VE/Dandel/prplhz/Oats/supersoft/Ver These are the people the scum is hiding in imo. Am currently not really sure except for that I want to lynch yamato. Prom I'm kinda null on but I'll go with town for the moment. NowTownTownScumI notice differences which are hard to verbalize and I would probably say more stupid things than reasonable things while trying to so I prefer if you took a look at this by yourself and looked for them. most of my townreads are in that list. oh vivax. hes got some of my town reads some of my mafia reads. Seems decent mixed list tbh So it's a useless throwaway list with reads that are all over the map? Yeah. That's what I got from that too. Me too. Watch I'll make a meaningless list too. It should have a decent mix too. Ver/Foolishness/BC/Supersoft/prplhz/Acrofales/Prom/marv/Vivax/Yamato Scum are hiding in that list somewhere. SOMEWHERE among half the players, the scum are hiding. Somewhere. Famous pre-death list. Worth a look. Contains interesting options. Fuck me Vivax. He just made a random list to take the piss out of yours.
marv remember how you behaved after you were "weak doctor"ed as scum in that one game? that's my impression of what vivax is doing now
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UPDATE:
Oatsmaster's filter still reads to me as scum. He hasn't really done anything but go after thread-consensus targets, and he's not playing like he appears to think townies should play. However, enough people have said they have "meta reads" on him that I'm willing to back off for now.
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On March 14 2013 02:53 Vivax wrote:
Oh S & B throwing dirt in from the sidelines while not voting me.
Why am I not your scumread then but the guy about to get nuked is?
There's many looking scummy currently but if I look at S & B I notice the huge cases he wrote at the start and how he lost steam quickly to become only less more than a commentator feeling rather apathetic about who gets lynched.
um well it's mostly because
On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Town Lynched Percentage (Minimum 10 games)
kitaman27 0/25 = 0.00%
Fishball 0/18 = 0.00%
Foolishness 0/18 = 0.00%
Keirathi 0/13 = 0.00%
Node 0/13 = 0.00%
supersoft 0/13 = 0.00%
chaos13 0/11 = 0.00%
barundar 0/10 = 0.00%
iamperfection 0/10 = 0.00%
DoctorHelvetica 0/10 = 0.00%
Eiii 0/10 = 0.00%
GMarshal 0/10 = 0.00%
Mementoss 0/10 = 0.00%
like, you're terrible but we should just kill foolishness
also - what happens when the lynch target is dead when we lynch them? Does the next-most-voted-for person get lynched? Just in case some or all of the nukes are real.
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On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote:
/facepalm
Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else.
SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today?
KP reduction - seems like it makes sense to kill a for-sure scum today
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also holy fuck marv how did you get five new pages of filter like overnight
i thought you were ve not gonzaw
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On March 14 2013 04:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sloosh, relying on other people to figure out your extremely weird plan is never a good idea. NEVER.
oh come on it was not that hard to figure out
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oh hey bee tee dubs
On March 11 2013 04:35 risk.nuke wrote:
##fos "useless" s&b
lololol
someone read risk's filter. he just doesn't seem nearly as aggro as i'm used to town risk seeming. think he's scum.
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On March 14 2013 05:36 Foolishness wrote:
I sneakily crept through the second story window. It was a difficult maneuver, having previously gotten to the roof and needing to hang off the ledge to get access inside. But it was always a favorable choice; people always expect break-ins to be on the first floor. I was above and beyond that.
I took a moment to take in my surroundings. I was in a guest bedroom, the neatness of the scene made that apparent. From looking into the first floor before my entry it was quite apparent that the boss was not a tidy person. Though I did not expect him to be, one who is so conceited and selfish need not care about public perception and generally perceived "good" qualities. I approached the door to the bedroom, and stopped for a few minutes to listen. I could faintly hear music off in the background but it seemed eons away. There did not seem to be any movement so I slowly turned the knob to open the door.
"SCREEEEK!" the door screamed back at me. I halted in my tracks, hand still on the knob as I listened. Faint music could still be heard but my mind was not processing it, I was only listening to the noises that mattered. After it was clear that was no disturbance I took a deep breath and pulled on the door once more. Luckily the door stayed silent this time, and I made a wide enough gap for me to slip through.
The hallway was dark, not that that was unexpected. There was a faint light radiating across the carpet a distance ahead. As I moved towards it, the music grew in volume but my mind was not listening to it. I stopped at an intersection and waited before proceeding. Again there were no disturbances. I turned to the right and proceeded down my path. I stopped at the door to the room of my goal. Appropriately shaded a dark red, perhaps in forbearance to the events about to take place. But I could not help but notice the detail and construct of it all, the beautiful square design, the way the golden handle brought life to the red door, almost as if saying that it is within this room that life happens.
With the philosophical moment passed, I stood up and readied the knife in my hand. There was no need to be sneaky anymore; there was a job to finish, dead or alive. I hesitated before giving the golden handle a nice twist in the clockwise direction. I gave the door a little push and it almost seemed to open itself; as if inviting me to experience the true essence of life.
"I've been expecting you," he said from his chair. He was already facing me; it seemed he knew his fate had already been decided.
"How cliche," I replied. "Unfortunately your time is at an end. Like the red of your door your hands have been stained."
He stood up and made his way over to me. I was alert, ready for any trick that might be up his sleeve. But he was not in a trickster mood. I felt that he was just playing his part, trying to play it cool and not show his true colors.
"But are you sure you are making the right choice good sir?" Apparently his trickery was only with words, the same trickery he used on the rest of the town.
There was no need to delay this further with meaningless words. I put the knife straight into his chest. "You don't understand, I am the legend, you can never hope to outwit me."
"I...I...I don't understand. Just who are you?!?!" marvellosity said his last words.
"I AM THE GOD DAMN BATMAN!" And I plunged the knife further into his chest.
hahahaha
snap marv it's on now
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On March 14 2013 05:36 cDgCorazon wrote:Well, following up with my first post that only Vivax answered (well done staying on task guys), here's the direction I want to take after Yamato's (hopeful death): AcroWhy Acro? This certainly is not out of the blue for me. I've mentioned Acro a couple of times this game, and his play seems really scummy to me. My first problem is the lack of scum hunting. His vote D1 was for WBG, someone that he gave absolutely no opinion on, just a simple vote basically shouting out that he was sheeping the whole thread: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1.
I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now:
BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA
##vote wherebugsgo Is this really scumhunting? I don't think so. He's basically taking the thread sentiment and putting his vote behind the wagon that was most likely to win. Hence, we did not lynch scum. That should speak volumes about where his focused efforts are on scum hunting: nowhere. Another example of him sheeping the thread and doing no scumhunting of his own is his suspicion on me. Look for the underlined parts in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote:
Read back up to page 25, this time taking notes. Will be catching up today and you'll have all my thoughts by the end of the day.
For now I can say that Vivax entered the thread in an extremely wishy washy manner. Seemed like he wanted to lynch lurkers, but was afraid of saying so. This seems completely out of wack with his town meta, where he ALWAYS says whatever he wants.
Supersoft also tried his hardest to not step on anybody's toes. He "agreed" with Iamp's post, but when questioned about it, disagreed with calling VE scum. Effectively that means he disagreed with Iamp's post.
Also, a little bit about the lynch: if Vivax is scum, then there is almost guaranteed to be scum who refused to leave the WBG wagon. If he's town, then it's completely up in the air where scum ended up. Given what I think of Vivax's entry into the thread, I like the Vivax=scum theory. I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz.
Heading to the office. Will continue reading and analysing there. On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
All of a sudden Acro goes from not having any opinion on me to me being his top scum read? That makes no sense. He's only taking the general thread sentiment (that my agreement with SnB was suspicious) and basically trying to kick me while I'm down. Now I'm suddenly his top scum read going into D2? What happened to everything he said about Vivax? He's not trying to scum hunt, he's just buying into the flavor of the month. I'll tell you one thing Acro, you can't scumhunt and graze in the grass at the same time, because you are obviously a sheep. Besides the blatant sheeping, the rest of his filter is basically him speculating about the setup and how the hosts could've balanced this game. So basically he has no sense of direction, and any direction he does take is two steps directly on the path that every one else has travelled. Once Yamato flips scum, we need to go after this guy next...
lol scummy scum scum
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- youre not reading the thread, yamato isnt going to die
- you're criticizing the town for no reason without helping to remedy the situation (ie, you're criticizing the town for "not staying on task" while talking about someone who is not at all the main or even a lynch candidate)
- you're mischaracterizing acro's reasoning about you
- you're also focusing on a player's interactions with you and trying to discredit those interactions, while calling it a reason he's scum
those are all things scum do
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On March 14 2013 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Marv is back to spam up the thread.
Spoiler the quotes at least.
SlOosh, I'm currently thinking you're town by connection actually, but if you kill Foolish and let marv and yamato go you do basically everything wrong. I know it's hard to argue against a town who has this strong tendency to rub vet butt, but I think you should let all nukes hit if you think Foolish is scum.
I would argue for you to take the nuke off Foolish but I'd prefer a compromise.
lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
why do people not read the thread
like you morons are all "oh no mason why don't you play more you need to post etc etc" but at least i read the fucking thread
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On March 14 2013 07:53 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Marv is back to spam up the thread.
Spoiler the quotes at least.
SlOosh, I'm currently thinking you're town by connection actually, but if you kill Foolish and let marv and yamato go you do basically everything wrong. I know it's hard to argue against a town who has this strong tendency to rub vet butt, but I think you should let all nukes hit if you think Foolish is scum.
I would argue for you to take the nuke off Foolish but I'd prefer a compromise. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol why do people not read the thread like you morons are all "oh no strongandbig why don't you play more you need to post etc etc" but at least i read the fucking thread
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what is going on
that case was actually kinda convincing
i'll reread it again in a while but that is not at all what i expected to happen
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On March 14 2013 08:53 supersoft wrote:You cannot all be scum: I command you to unvote.
##UNVOTE
##UNVOTE
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