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Lying alone isn't alignment indicative - it's the manner of the lie. He used the lie to push his agenda (herp I'm always wrong about marv) and that makes him scummy. Not the lie itself.
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His agenda of insinuating that he "always reads marv wrong" when he's never ever had to read marv ever.
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He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight.
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On March 13 2013 05:18 supersoft wrote:
I think I know VEs personality and alignment :-D
Unless you're basing the personality bit off my early game, I quit roleplaying my role about halfway through D1. Earlier really.
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On March 13 2013 05:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's not a confirmed anything we don't even know if he's telling the truth about his role. I'm not interested in anyone I think is town claiming anything for scum to use. If you want to reveal your role go ahead - we're lynching you if you don't die to town holy righteous fury tonight. Well a good start to know if he's telling the truth is to find out why he lied but apparently you aren't interested for reasons I can only imagine
We'll find out the truth tomorrow. He was under no pressure to claim, so it reads as forced by mods - which he's also confirming in the thread, which I'll admit is odd.
It just doesn't matter right now.
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On March 13 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filterBloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: On March 12 2013 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
I'm with you on wbg, bc
Why is Yamato so important to kill?
I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now.
I agree with this. prplhz I think you may be right too - there's just too little to go on right now. Ver isn't, strictly speaking, a bad target...it's just that, you're right...his reasoning is contradictory and a little too selective for my taste.
Do you think he's the best lynch tomorrow? You haven't commented on current discussions at all (which I'm aware is kinda your speed) do you think BC is a better lynch than like...Xfire? Vivax? Foolishness?
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On March 13 2013 05:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 05:26 Acrofales wrote:
This thread grows 2 pages for every 1 I read. Can we please kill Vivax just to stop the rampant growth of bile in this game? There is no bile from my side just lots of questions and persuasion attempts, also my post/content ratio is bigger than other's. I know however who you're on good terms with so I understand you're used to talking smack about others behind people's backs.
What does this even mean LMAO
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On March 13 2013 05:51 prplhz wrote:
I don't know about Foolishness because I don't fully get the "he lied to smear me" point (I don't see how it's worth it if it's conscious, and I don't see it as a "slip". I'd rather lynch BloodyC0bbler as it is right now.
It's more of a "he lied to cop out of explaining his read on marv" but yeah, I get what you're saying. We'll see what happens this night.
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Acro you asked me about my meta read on Ver. Do you have further comment other than "we disagree"?
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A parity cop is less powerful than a regular cop - my assumption is that he originally tried to just claim a regular cop, but the mods made him be more specific because VE wouldn't be afraid to claim his FULL ROLE AND INTENDED ACTIONS LIKE A FUCKING BAUS.
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On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2.
-.-
Don't poke people for trying BC.
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Can you point out where he "does it himself"? Because the Foolishness thing I can totally see as a complete outright lie.
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BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town.
No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on.
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On March 13 2013 07:15 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.
He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ. Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role. Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1. I don't buy that scum is paranoid enough to live in permanent fear of role/name cops. Scum fake claim in closed themed games all the time. Any role/name cop could catch them out, yet I've only seen it happen ONCE (my own check on Toad in CT).
Well to be fair, his role PM may very well say that his name will be revealed with the shot announcement. It's not a thing where he's "in constant fear" of a name-cop but if that's in his PM and knows it's coming, obviously fear of the name-cop is introduced.
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I guess Ver absent from that list because of how shockingly little there is to analyze?
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On March 13 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC. Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously? and the person I am roleplaying as makes total sense to do what I am doing. That's your contention, sure, but as far as I can see you're just pushing people who don't post. Don't say it's an "outright lie" that I'm able to find you town Day 1 and then make a comparison to a game I wasn't even playing where you were trolling under a smurf. That's just ridiculous. disagree. Even as trolling as a smurf I still pushed my own reads and when I had to broke my roleplay. Posting style can change, major pattern didnt. I don't need to make stupidly large posts to state my opinions. People may listen to them more then but if I don't feel like posting large blocks of texts or yelling at people for 20 pages i'm not going to. I have not done anything this game that would make it hard to determine my alignment if you were able to actually pin me 100% day 1. you expect me, as purely an observer, to make a massive effort to determine what your posts are pushing when you're trolling, as opposed to when I'm actually in a game and you're not trolling? How can you not see how absurd this is? Where did I say I could pin you 100% Day 1? I never said that, why are you even saying I did? Why are people constantly misrepresenting what I say this game?
I asked this as well.
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On March 13 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:I think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. filterBloodyC0bbler starts out by jokingly pushing Ver and slOosh though it turns out that he is being very serious about this. This is similar to his opening post from Storm Mafia where he was scum. Nothing in PTP3, LVIII, Liquid City, LVI, L, all town games and in all games he got down to business. His push on Ver is purely based on how Ver is not around and while BloodyC0bbler drops slOosh he keeps his Ver scum read right up until now. He has been told that Ver said before the game that he wouldn't have time before Monday but this doesn't stop BloodyC0bbler, even though BloodyC0bbler was lynched by a rampant town in his last game when he was in a similar situation to Ver's, having warned the thread about his projected activity but still getting lynched for it. Another really curious thing about the Ver push is this post. It makes no sense at all, because they are experienced they should have written an apology? But an apology (or the lack thereof) has no bearing on alignment at all, it is not hard to write an apology, it just seems too convinient for BloodyC0bbler to use this bad logic to legitimize his push. This Ver push just seems very unlike BloodyC0bbler from his town games. While he does have early reads such as in PTP3 where he had an early Kurumi scum read, he interacts with the thread and he constantly evolves his reads. In a town game where he says in his fourth post that Kurumi is obviously scum, he still has a lot of other opinions and ends up voting differently. He's constantly reevaluating but there's nothing of that in this game. How BloodyC0bbler is acting on D1 in general is curious. BloodyC0bbler is a guy who has a certain opinion of himself. Look at this post where he says that no one can say that he has bad D1 reads because of the list he made. Look at this post where he claims to be one of the most experienced players with the ability to lead. This is in a game with Foolishness, sandroba, Palmar and many other really good players but he still thinks he's the best choice for mayor. He has high thought of himself but he doesn't show that at all in this game, he's actually just sitting back and hoping that Ver will lynch himself. About this very light pushing of Ver, even though he doesn't want to lynch wherebugsgo his activity becomes horrible up until the lynch. The last and biggest thing he does related to the lynch is this post: On March 12 2013 10:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
I'm with you on wbg, bc
Why is Yamato so important to kill?
I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight. Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of. Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling. "Its not so much policy as meta", does BloodyC0bbler even know himself why he is lynching Ver? And notice why he wants to lynch yamato77, it's not because he is scum but because he has played "obviously anti town". This is true but that's absolutely no reason to lynch him, this is no reason in itself to think that he is scum. Even when I ask him what he meant with his decafchicken comment he doesn't use that in any way to influence the lynch. There's no "decafchicken was lynched because of dumb coincidence and we shouldn't repeat that here, lets lynch Ver because I have played 50 games with him and my D1 reads are awesome", he's just answering my dumb and largely irrelevant question. Anyway, I really think that BloodyC0bbler is scum. How you guys feel about it? yes. you could well be right. At least i haven't got good reasons to call him town, and normally a town-BC has given me those reasons by now.
I think this is the post he's referring to. It doesn't read like "LOL BC so easy to read" to me...more like "Usually as town BC will have given me reasons to think he's town, and this game there's nothing like that"
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I'm just sayin - I could be wrong, I'm just assuming that's the post he's referring to because he never told me.
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Like before now there were 11 total references to BC in your filter, none of them saying anything like "I have a surefire tell for BC D1"
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On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC. Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie.Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad.
Uh ohhhhh......so it WAS "him outright saying" to "well the connotation was there"
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