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The fact that 2/3 of the thread has not shown up to vote is disconcerting. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:19 bduddy wrote: How do you get that? The mafia almost certainly chose to kill someone last night - the only reason they didn't is that they were roleblocked. This game doesn't have a doctor. All mafia have kill power in this game (read the PMs). Unless there's only one mafia left, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be the same guy killing next time. Yes, I know that someone who claimed town RB right now would obviously become a mafia target, but if we get a mafia out of that I think that's a good trade for us. Wrong, bduddy. Chances are very slim that we have both a RB and a JK; that would most likely be imbalanced. The JK protected me (I was roleblocked) which is why there was no kill last night. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:26 geript wrote: I have to agree with WoS. JK makes the most sense; besides town RB claiming should be obvious and should've happened by now making JK the obvious call. That doesn't remove WoS from the scum list, but it does move him more towards being trusted. WoS... what don't you like about the OE case? You seem to have ignored it entirely. I read it late last night and I don't remember what my specific conclusions were, all I remember was that it didn't convince me. I'll re-read. | ||
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OE's case on Frorgon had fair points to it, but was weak in general. OE stated himself it was early in the game. Maybe it would've looked less bad if he didn't go balls out voting for him that early? Whatever I don't see anything about the case itself that makes OE look scummy. The point about discouraging interaction is good but it's not enough on its own. Same conclusion: unnecessary, null. Interesting point you bring up about OE targeting the 'weak members of the herd.' This doesn't seem like inherently different behaviour than OE has been exhibiting all game however; Frorgon and Taco have essentially been his only targets thus far, and he has tunneled Taco HARD. Taco is inevitably going to have come back and defend himself either way, AGAIN. OE's tunneling and the association between him and AD are the strongest points against him imo, though I've already asked OE about these things myself (and he doesn't quite address either of these points head-on). There is a huge difference between him about half the people in this game, however, and that OE has continually demonstrated that he CARES about the lynch target, and actively gets involved in discussion. He has some scummy traits about but I think it may just be him going about defending himself/his cases in slightly the wrong way. He just doesn't scream scum to me like AD did, and it's not worth a mislynch on someone so active. Honestly the fact that you haven't voted for OE yourself means that you yourself must have considerable doubt in OE's scumminess. I just don't think he's worth focusing today when there are people who shown no positive ability at all thus far. | ||
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Until something changes in the thread (ie people fucking PARTICIPATE) my vote stays. | ||
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I just read his filter, he doesn't target anyone else at all. He talks about them briefly, but considering his entire filter is dedicated to Taco I wouldn't call that targeting. Yes he bitches and whines when you target him, he did the same thing to me as well; I don't necessarily see that as being scummy, I can see that as being frustrated when people don't believe you. His recent case isn't much better than his older one, but as I've said there are scummier people than him to go for today. We can re-examine him at a later date but he's not red enough for me to vote him today. | ||
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See Geript, THAT'S how you make a convincing post. I could definitely see final two scum being Taco/Luneth. I still worry a bit about the rest of the lurkers...what would be your suggestion if we hit a mislynch today (whether we end up voting Taco or Luneth)? Should we delve into lurker territory or just lynch the other? | ||
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He's kidding. | ||
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There's literally nothing for us to do until Taco/Luneth(/Matriarch?) come back and no one is accusing you of anything right now. If nothing happens for another whole bunch of hours we have to make up our minds as to which of the two we want dead. Will everyone (who's been active anyway) be back before lynch tomorrow? | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:36 geript wrote: Also, if he was one of your "scum reads" which for whatever god forsaken reason you equate to "I called them scummy" then why did you make this post: That doesn't tell me that you think Arctic looks scummy. You even refuse to call him scummy; rather you wouldn't argue against that he looks scummy. You're actively thinking about Arctic as town and trying to say that he's a scum read and that he was one of your scum reads. Congratulations, we'll be lynching you tomorrow. I wasn't going to step in to try and let it die, but wtf is this Geript? I'm pretty sure we've established that we won't be lynching him tomorrow, as there are scummier people out there; most of the town has already agreed to this. Why are you still trying to push this? To me it looks like: a) You're really reaching and arguing semantics at the way OE decided to use the word scummy and the phrasing he used. If he's actively thinking of AD as town wouldn't that make him town (wrong, but town)? If he was scum he'd know what AD was. b) You're actively trying to stir up shit since OE seems to have a bit of a short fuse to him. I don't like either case. Give it a rest, Geript. | ||
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I read through it but have to read more closely to get a good idea of where we stand. Some quick off-the-cuff thoughts: Krafla - Either very devious mafia (getting some serious coaching/help or something) or super newbie. I'm leaning towards the second. Krafla you were not roleblocked by town, we don't have a roleblocker, only JK who blocked me. MeatlessTaco - I'm still not set on changing my vote to him as he hasn't come back since the beginning of the day. Without more information I'm going to do a read of Luneth's recent (HORRIBLY FORMATTED) defenses. MLuneth - Reading now. Don't think his case against Rainbows stands. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:41 TheRavensName wrote: Mafia does have one though, or at least its not out of the question they do. Yes. I know. | ||
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On March 12 2013 04:58 TheRavensName wrote: The big issue I have with lynching Luneth is that he was the first person to vote on Arctic. Granted it was only a pressure vote but... why would you pressure vote someone you know for a fact isn't there if you have a QT they hadn't showed up in yet and then say your just doing a random lurker pressure? He could have hit chew or someone else first. Seems a touch early for a bus, but I'm not ruling it out as a possibility... just I think its a less likely possibility. Because it's fairly obvious he could be lying. If you'll remember we had a few other people do the exact same thing, Taco's vote on Cos/Geript being one of them. 'Voting pressure' on lurkers who are barely in the thread is barely pressure at all, and is a scummy way of making your vote LOOK like it matters where it is. I learned this in my first NMM game. | ||
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On March 11 2013 18:39 MLuneth wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. Responding to said things. Opening Post + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:24 MLuneth wrote: Flavour was certainly pretty sweet  I know it's my first game so I'm still learning but I don't think we should just lynch Krafla without reason, even if it would be fantastically ironic. Your post Omni seems pretty reasonable and a good basis to work on ^_^ Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). I think you're reading into it a bit too much here, sounds like you've already decided that I'm maf -__- MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:55 MLuneth wrote: Last post was a joke, if that wasn't clear Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. Town can get lynched too. Nervous town doesn't want to get lynched D1 for a misunderstanding on a joke post. A weak distancing attempt + Show Spoiler + Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. On March 07 2013 17:34 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP Forgot to add TheRavensName to above list of people that have done little It really pisses me off that you seem to think that there is no reasoning behind this after I have explained that this was a pressure vote to get Daishi to stop lurking. Either that or you're just straight up lying. This scummy vote I would like to point out a previous post before I address this: This post at the very least shows that I was considering NW before I "sheeped" on that vote. I did "sheep" on that vote simply because there was a strong case against NW that I had already previously been considering. I have already addressed my "targeting" of lurkers. I want to attack what is (imo) the most likely person to be maf. If I have to sheep to do that, fine I will sheep. I'm not sure if . is a spelling mistake, but someone who provides a clear coherent defence is not an easy target bro. This.... "Thing" + Show Spoiler + ]Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Read my posts which clearly show my reasoning before you make idiotic statements like this. Why not NW? I've already asked him questions and was waiting for a response. OMGUS? Next post will show how Rainbows post on me was incredibly scummy is OMGUS but points will be valid Alright gonna get into this clusterfuck of a post. Luneth, Rainbows is right. Nervous/paranoid townie doesn't look like townie at all. Your 'pressure vote?' I've already explained. Useless against someone who you have professed to not be around at all. Looks scummy. As for the rest of this post I can't for the life of me get through the formatting so I'll ignore that part of Rainbows' case on you for now. Something about how it's OMGUS because he voted for you and now you're voting for him? I don't get it. Whatever. On March 11 2013 19:10 MLuneth wrote: Just saw Krafla's post. I will not vote with town when I think there is someone more likely to be maf. Furthermore, consider the possibilities of the last lynch 1. NW gets most votes, gets lynched 2. Tie, NW gets lynched 3. AD gets most votes gets lynched Either the person who I think is most likely to be scum is lynched or the person who the "town consensus" gets lynched. CONCLUSION Both look scummy, I voted for the one who (imo) looked more scummy If such a vote happened where of the two major candidates one looked scummy while the other didn't and my vote was on a third person, I'm going to switch to who I think looks the scummiest and has a chance of being lynched. Hope this clears stuff up THIS post, however just looks awful for you Luneth. You're basically completely remorseless about throwing your vote away D1, and now you're prepared to do it again just because you claim to be 'voting for the person you believe to be scum.' You realize that by spreading out the votes it makes it more easy for scum to hide in useless votes so they won't be seen as guilty during a mislynch, right? As for your talk of NW being scum, he's not, and didn't look scummy at all since his return D1. You also completely contradict yourself in your 'conclusion,' saying you're not going to vote with the twon, and then you say you'll switch your vote if you're on a third person and you find someone scummy. Why didn't you switch your vote to either Daishi or Taco then? Are you saying neither of the two looked scummy to you, despite the fact that AD WAS scum? This is just awful, transparent scum play from you Luneth. My vote stands. | ||
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On March 12 2013 05:20 MeatlessTaco wrote: My defense: I pushed for votes. People said votes don't mean anything. What got scum killed on day 1? I don't think MLuneth has a huge chance of being scum right now. So I'm not going to instant vote yet. Oh lord is this scummy. Voting against people who aren't there is useless, especially at the beginning of a day when people like YOU can lurk all day and not be threatened until the lynch is about to happen. (PS. I'm pointing out that your return to thread right now is scummy.) Voting itself isn't useless, the way YOU did it is. This 'triumphant return' to the thread had better be more than your 2 line post considering you're on the block right now. | ||
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