EPTAlso I swear if we don't get some posting from
Matriarch
Rainbows
Luneth
soon, there will be hell to pay.
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Also I swear if we don't get some posting from Matriarch Rainbows Luneth soon, there will be hell to pay. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:55 geript wrote: @WoS one, don't wifom. 2. Raven was a much better target than you. I disagree, and apparently so did town JK. | ||
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 I need to go eat right now but I'll have a closer look at his filter after. I don't want to discount the fact the Luneth is still really scummy (despite OE gunning for him) and the fuck-tons of lurk we have in this thread. In the meantime I'd like to hear more from Taco, Frorgon and NW. Are you guys around? What do you think of Geript's case on OE? | ||
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Re: your reads------crap. Frorgon could very easily be scum trying to branch out his vote from the rest of his team so as not to seem suspicious. Reads based solely on voting mean nothing. Chew/Geript read is useless based on Chew's early play. He lurked. I'm fine with Geript for now and he is far from useless. I'm not even going through the rest of this. All you're doing here is summarizing what a bunch of people did with no real conclusions aside from whether you think they're scummy or not. If you want to make a case against someone, focus on them, don't divide attention. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:18 OmniEulogy wrote: well fuck it. If I keep trying to lynch Taco more people are going to mistake that for me trying to save Arctic even though I've said at least three times I think Arctic is scummy as well ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first. Let's hope this goes well. Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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What do you think of the whole OE v Geript thing going on right now? | ||
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As to your reasons for voting Taco, I'm not saying they're not genuine here either. But the fact remains that the Daishi case was strengthened by adding increasing points about his own scumminess, not by weakening the case on Taco. You soft defending Daishi constantly throughout the game doesn't look good now, regardless of your intentions and you have to accept that. The fact that you continued to to attempt to prove your own case by continually sticking up for Daishi looks worse. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote: if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point). I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Don't get particularly upset about me grilling you, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to get more info out of you. This is mafia. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:33 bduddy wrote: At this point I'm most worried about Krafla. A first day of few, useless posts, except an out-of-nowhere, poorly justified, and essentially bandwagoning vote of NW, followed by that whole story about being a one-shot cop. I'm also worried about this: WTF does that mean? The point of this game is to lynch the mafia, not to lynch the most interesting people. Yes, his story does somewhat make sense (I was lurking because I was a blue), but at the same time, why did he continue to lurk so much if he was only a one-shotter, planning to use his power at his first opportunity, and was never under real threat? It does seem like a waste of a risky fakeclaim to simply say "I was roleblocked", but that could just be Krafla playing it safe, or playing badly. This is one of the biggest problems I think in these newbie games; it becomes particularly difficult to distinguish between bad town/mafia/inexperienced player. I'm leaning town on Krafla since I have no choice but to believe the most obvious conclusion to the lack of NK. And for the record (since I'm sure OE is typing furiously right now to attempt to refute my recent post) I'm not voting OE either, at the very least not until I see an expanded case from Geript. If anything a lot of Geript's work has been done for him since OE has been under scrutiny for much of the game; I'd like to see him bring up something new, à la TRN's case on Daishi. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:36 OmniEulogy wrote: considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. No, your point doesn't stand OE. Because the only reason I pushed him was specifically because of the way he acted when he came back. That makes him vastly different from a lurker and ironically, he probably would have survived had he not come back at all. | ||
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I like your second post better I suppose because it gets a different conversation started. Why do mafia want me dead? Because I dug up Daishi and got attention on him, am very vocal about scumhunting, and appear to be basically confirmed town to just about everybody as no one has brought up suspicion regarding me at all. I am an obvious threat to scum, arguably more than TRN who is confirmed town in my eyes because I have more experience than he does. Now as far as bussing every single scumbuddy this is null because we don't know enough about Luneth or Taco to call them scum in my opinion. Not to mention I don't see my direct suspicions on anyone as being reason to target me on their own, that's bad scum play. You also laid heavy suspicion on Frorgon early, does that mean according to your defense you were trying to bus him too? This defense doesn't get you anywhere. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? Yeah, this isn't enough. I'm doing all your work for you right now, and if you expect me to believe that you actually want OE lynched you'd better come up with something or I'm dropping it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 12:04 Frorgon wrote: I've been looking through Rainbows' filter to try to get a read on him. Despite the disappearance, I'm still leaning town on him. - Wave offers to hunt scum with him. He declines. If he was scum I feel like he would have been more willing to go along with it because he might be able to influence Wave's decision making to his liking that way. - Changes his vote to me after claiming that a NW bandwagon gives scum an easy chance to hide. - Any return and vote change would probably have made him look even more suspicious than he does now. If he returned and voted for Arctic it would have looked like a buss, and if he returned and voted for NW it would have looked like he was trying to defend Arctic. The isn't entirely conclusive so I would still like to hear from Rainbows himself about his thoughts on what has happened since he left. I agree somewhat with this, though your first point is null, I made a blatant buddying attempt (which is seen as scummy generally) and he didn't want to be associated with it one way or the other. I still lean town on him based on early play though he definitely needs come back and help out; much like Daishi his posting when he gets back will be crucial as to determination of his alignment. And if he doesn't come back or help we can always lynch him.  On March 10 2013 12:04 geript wrote: WoS no confirmed townie talk please. Way too early for that. No it's not. And besides I don't really care what others think of me, I was just pointing out what their actions seem to delineate. As for TRN, I've said it before, and that's still just my opinion. Now I feel like I'm filling up this thread so I'm done talking until someone gives me something useful to talk about. | ||
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Luneth is a much stronger vote and I've been leaning towards him since last night after Daishi was hammered. Glad to have you back, Rainbows, and strong delurk. The only thing that bothers me is with such a strong case, where's your vote? Vote: MLuneth Maybe this will get him to come back and start answering some questions. I don't even know what to say about Matriarch. | ||
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On March 08 2013 14:20 MLuneth wrote: Yeah, was going to get to that in my post. Considering changing vote to one of several people When will Arctic Daishi be replaced if he doesn't respond? On March 08 2013 14:14 MeatlessTaco wrote: FYI.. Arctic has 2 posts total on TL.net. He'll probably be replaced. The fact that the both of them asked when he was going to be replaced is curious, and might add up to a scumteam 'plan' to pretend they thought he was going to be replaced when they knew very well he'd show up to make them look good. (Not realizing we'd lynch him, obv) | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:16 bduddy wrote: Whoa, this MLuneth bandwagon is moving awfully quickly. I don't see most of Rainbows' case as pointing scum any more than it points to a legitimate town newbie. Is everyone else really just buying Krafla's story at face value? And Rainbows... could you please explain exactly why we should not be voting for OE? My vote stays where it is. Rainbows' case is decent enough considering we don't have more to go on until Luneth comes back. I don't like all of these random questions from you though bduddy. Can you explain why we shouldn't be believing Krafla? As far as voting OE, hopefully his continued strong (though very tunnel-y) attempts at scumhunting are enough to convince people that there are scummier candidates out there. There are a couple of very good points in his most recent case and the longer Taco goes without helping himself out the scummier he looks. In my opinion OE's continued effort and Geript's decided lack of such actually makes Geript look kinda scummy. Still awaiting that promised case. | ||
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