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WaveofShadow
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It hasn't been that long for Luneth, give him a shot. NW is basically DOA this evening though if he doesn't show up and defend himself adequately or give us something better to go on. In other news, there are a LOT of people lurking hard in this thread. We're going to have a damn near impossible time of winning this game if we don't get more out of you guys with <1 page worth of filter. If you're not scum, you'd better speak up or you're throwing the game for us. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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 I'm going to hope that next time you give us more than a list of your 'worries and suspicions,' and give us some hard evidence and scumreads. Think you could make that happen? | ||
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On March 08 2013 14:59 nobodywonder wrote: ##Unvote ok cool thanks bduddy for contributing, agree about the Arctic Daishi thing. I'd like replies from the non-voters too. I will reread the filters and get ready to make my case. I look forward to hearing from you. Luneth your stance on voting an inactive scummy lurker is likely not going to get us anywhere. Let me tell you the tale of the absolutely fucking retarded township of NMM 37 (that I was a part of). D1 was full of lurk, barely half the thread showed up to do anything. Everyone eventually voted except for 2 people who were eventually replaced. But WHERE did people vote? Well people took the stance of voting for lurkers, and since there were so many to choose from, everyone essentially chose their own candidate and ended up lynching a townie, because it was real easy for mafia to hide and spread out their votes. Since there were so many people lurking (similar to this game) it was essentially a complete crapshoot anyway as to whether we hit a scummy lurker or a town lurker. Better in the end to go with some educated guessing and learn from that than lynch someone who has contributed barely anything so we learn nothing after the flip. D1 sucks, and sometimes you lynch town, but it happens. If it happens we move on and keep hunting scum and learn from our mistake. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 08 2013 15:09 bduddy wrote: I don't know exactly what kind of "hard evidence" you're looking for, other than "I'm the cop and..." All I have are the same posts as everyone else, and I've tried to read through them quickly so I can post before stuff starts happening so I probably haven't even read them as fully as everyone else. I did say that I'm feeling a bit suspicious towards TRN and Rainbows, is that what you mean by "scumreads"? I'm just not seeing nobodywonder as scum (and I'm not just saying that because he unvoted me!), he seems like a genuine new townie to me. I am now somewhat suspicious towards Matriarch; very few posts (I see the post about a child, I understand that that would be far more important than posting here but it would also be a great excuse) and came straight back to jump on the nobodywonder bandwagon for reasons that don't really make sense to me. For now, though, I'm going to ##Vote: TheRavensName who still seems most suspicious to me. You didn't just claim cop D1 did you?  Alright bduddy I'll spell out a couple things for you. 1) Claiming a blue role this early in the game essentially paints a big ol' bullseye on your back for mafia to target. If they manage to shoot you N1 you won't have performed any checks and are useless to us. 2) When I'm asking for your scumreads, I'm asking you to tell us who you think are scum and WHY. "I have a good feeling about NW," or "I feel suspicious" means dick all if you don't have anything to back it up. In conclusion, do a little a thinking before you post about the repercussions of your actions and what it means to other people when you say certain things, and you'll go a long way. Don't just spew your thoughts into the thread for no apparent reason. It doesn't help us find scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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If someone else in here is the cop, for the love of god do not counterclaim. Hopefully you know what to do because I'm starting to get wary of giving out basic strategies/tips out loud. | ||
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Reading over the latest updates to the thread as we speak and I gotta say, I like what I'm seeing so far: no replacements D1 makes me happy. Reads inc. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I will admit, much like a lot of other people in this thread I was going to vote for him earlier on since he seemed like the best choice but there just wasn't enough to go on. Now that he's posted again I like him much more. He does some very good analysis on Luneth's awfully scummy post history and calls Krafla out: No need for yourself to declare innonence so early while other possible bandwagoners such as Chew haven't explained themselves. Which is a HUGE indicator of scum play. Why feel the need to declare yourself innocent before anyone has accused you of anything? To LOOK innocent: scum's MO. One thing still bothers me about you though. You seem to have changed your attitude completely from earlier in the game and you've started scumhunting hardcore. Are you still in favour of a no-lynch as per your quote here? On March 07 2013 17:56 nobodywonder wrote: I'd rather like to avoid lynching on Day 1 if theyre unjustified. I want the threat to pressure lurkers to contribute and this would lead to the best case scenario. But if lurkers dont contribute, I have no issues with lynching, SO Pressuring lurkers to contribute => they contribute. the goal is get contribution (not to lynch, unless necessarily) This looks like coaching to me; I can't see why you changed your attitude so abruptly and immediately started pressuring the way you should have been from the very start. Explanation please. OE's read on Frorgon is great in my opinion. I'm not set on voting him just yet because I think I'm trying to decide between Luneth and Nobodywonder for now. The rest of the lurkers (like Matriarch) just can't be as important right now because we don't know enough. Daishi now that you're back don't make excuses, do what you're supposed to and hunt scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Your cases, while good are a little too easy to make this early in the game. That goes for OE's Frorgon case too, though he made a commitment at least; you have now flip-flopped between two cases of your own in less than three hours. To me this make it seem as you're trying very VERY hard to remove people's suspicions of you. Now, most of the time when scum make cases just to remove suspicion, they don't add any real content, but your cases are not lacking in this regard. The quick change of mind and lack of commitment to the Luneth case make it seem like you're scrambling to find something that the rest of town can sheep onto and leave you alone though, and since these cases are on lurkers they're real easy to make since they're not exactly arguing with you..... | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Uh...NW.... If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it. | ||
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On March 09 2013 05:10 Frorgon wrote: I don't really consider myself to be lurking; when I post I try to add good reasoning to my thought process. Some of you are posting quite a lot more than me, I will admit that is true. But there are plenty of others who have posted about as much as me. Waveofshadow, and Matriarch for example. Meanwhile, people like Arctic and bduddy have contributed far less. As everyone is bandwagoning on nobodywonder, bduddy is able to sit back and not do anything. Still nothing from him since I last posted hours ago. Therefore, ##Vote: bduddy Sorry for the spam, but are you actually comparing your posting level to mine? DId you even look at the filters and the content within? And Matriarch who hasn't done anything all game yet? REALLY? I expect you to have something a little better to go on with your vote. After OE's case you've got some pressure on you that you've done nothing to alleviate thus far. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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The point of you not telling us about coaching is it creates more WIFOM in a newbie game where WIFOM is bound to be rampant anyway. Do we know if you're lying now or not? Who coached you, scum or town?(DON'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS) Whatever I won't make a big deal about it and I'll do my best to ignore your post that talked about it, but that rapid change in attitude was obvious. In any case there's a couple things you've done here that make you look less scummy to me than a couple other people in here, so in light of his recent post: ##Vote: Frorgon | ||
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WaveofShadow
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@Frorgon, don't make excuses. I still expect you to respond to my last post in its entirety. Best way to get yourself out of the hole, much like NW seems to have done, is to scumhunt. So start doing it. | ||
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Also what are your thoughts regarding the rest of the lurkers today? There are quite a few of them (Matriarch, Daishi, Luneth probably the worst offenders) and it's going to be very difficult to determine what to do with them once the day is over. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 09 2013 06:02 Frorgon wrote: Are you seriously not reading the thread? If even if you discount that my first page of filter is all pre-game banter, I still have been pressuring and making cases the entire day. Who would you say specifically is more 'prolific?' @Wave I didn't want to make excuses, but Omni seemed to want me to make one so I did. After looking at your filters I suppose you have posted more but you're still not as prolific as many others in this thread. Now you've said that my case for my vote isn't good, despite saying earlier in the thread that my case against bduddy was sound. I have stuck to my word on that, as he has not done anything to help his cause. I agree that nobodywonder has done things to help his cause in the past few hours, so my decision was a pretty easy one to make. Your case was sound, hell it still is but it's not GOOD this far into the day. You say you have had stomach issues and couldn't post, fine. STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND SCUMHUNT. Your initial post based on the lack of content in bduddy's filter works early but this late when you have seen other 'prolific' posters actually submitting useful analysis and content is not enough. You're standing by your initial read of bduddy essentially amounts for you choosing to vote lurker. It's a throwaway vote, and looks scummy. @Omni There is no way I am contributing the least. This just isn't true. Can you really say that I am contributing less than bduddy? I have been consistent in my posts for my reasoning, and I think that is most important. I threw some suspicions your way, but you really shouldn't be all too concerned about it because you admitted that you didn't expect people to unconditionally trust you on D1.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote: In this post: You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation? Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:20 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts. I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely. At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco. Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do? Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list. ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco? In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. ^ My original look through his filter. Oh god now you're channeling Vivax. Just how much 'inspiration' did you get this game? I expect MeatlessTaco to return triumphantly to the game and analyze (read:remove) his vote on NW, and explain to us who his top scumread is before this goes through. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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EBWOP: (Read: remove) | ||
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All of the lurkers who essentially jumped on the badnwagon and left. That's going be a real bitch to go through and figure out which of them is scum, because I believe there is at LEAST one scum amongst Daishi, Luneth, Matriarch and Krafla. | ||
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