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##Vote: Krafla | ||
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##FoS: MLuneth Won't change my vote though 'cause Krafla is super scummy and needs to die ASAP imo. | ||
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Oh I counted. One. | ||
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Any strategies you think the town should be implementing? | ||
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Alright ladies and gents, I'm back. As far as the strategies I asked about, it was to get discussion going and I'm glad to see I accomplished that mission. With that said let's analyze. Lynch All Liars - Newbies take note: there is absolutely ZERO reason for any town player to lie about anything. Mistakes can be made, sure, but as you are town you should have nothing to hide. Lying is a massive scumtell. That said, catching someone in a lie you cannot be sure it is a lie or simply a mistake. There are other steps you can take to ensure it was a scumslip and not just a bad town error so if you support the lynching of a liar you'd better be damn sure why. Lynch All Lurkers - While I supported this strategy once upon a time, I no longer see its usefulness because you can 'pressure' a lurker with your vote all you want, but votes change so often at the end of the day it is meaningless. Lurkers gonna lurk; leave it up to a vig later in the game if they still look scummy. Ideally everyone will participate all day btu that just doesn't happen most of the time. Remember who is lurking at when they show up to the thread; keep an eye on them because as someone posted earlier there is usually at least one scum amongst them. Random Vote - This is horseshit and no one should be doing it. I was the first post in the thread and it was a joke. Come on people. Hunt for fucking scum and make your vote USEFUL. No Lynch - Was stated already but horrible. You're basically giving scum a free pass and stating "well we're a shit town and not good enough to find scum D1." Alright, with all of that out there, I'm going to start analyzing the thread thus far. Some good posting from people, some crappy posting. I'll be posting again shortly. | ||
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On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote: Guess its time for the joke vote to go. ##unvote Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? | ||
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@Frorgon: Your reasoning regarding bduddy in our first content post is sound; if he doesn't show up by the end of the day would you vote him? | ||
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On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote: As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then. I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly. This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations.Good advice in general, OE. I was thinking of getting to it myself but I figured lack of town activity right now means someone else should post.  Go easy on him for the victim card imo (you sort of did ); I know I had a lot of issues with that my first game when I was up against players who definitely were more experienced in that regard. But yeah Raven, OE's advice is sound and should all be stuff you consider when posting in the future. If you're town, the game is all about scumhunting as your primary goal. If you do that well you have no reason to be suspected.Just to mention Rainbows, I liked his shutting down of the bad game theory stuff early. OE since I'm responding to you already, I'm going to come at you a little. Have you been taking coaching from mocsta or something? Your filter is absolutely massive already and, while your early reads/comments are accurate, we REALLY don't need to hear your thought process on absolutely everything. Nor questions to absolutely everyone, it shits up the thread. If you want to focus someone or a few people, go ahead but when you spread yourself to thin and expect different things from everyone it becomes very difficult to follow a line of reasoning---something you don't want as a self-proclaimed transparent townie. | ||
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Don't abbreviate unnecessarily please, NW I get, but you could at least give me a few other letters to work with for those others, man. | ||
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MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him) Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW? Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum? | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote: I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself. On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Want to hear more from: MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him) Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW? Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum? | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:06 nobodywonder wrote: I'd really like contributions form bduddy still, my vote is on him and so I'll give him some time to respond. Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction. This is such a useless attitude. Why the hell should bduddy care if he has over 24h left to post a couple thing just to be taken off the 'lurker list?' He knows that you're just going to change it as soon as he does anyway, so that's not exactly much pressure is it? Not to mention if there are any other scum and bduddy does happen to be town they all know they're safe because you've broadcasted your lurker vote patterns for all to see. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote: i still want more contributions from lurkers, (come on Arctic, at least say hi.) usually 1 scum hides amongst the inactives/lurkers. @OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes @Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing. i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility. he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions. Krafla explained himself pretty decently I think. I dunno right now you are by far the scummiest looking person to me. Telling lurkers to post is not a contribution as I explained earlier. What is your read on me or OE? | ||
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NW, I'm not sure what I want from you at this point. Like...I'm trying to find something that DOESN'T make you scummy at this point but I can't find it. You call out Raven on his 'just being dumb' as scummy play, which is fine, and makes sense (though I don't agree), but then you associate OE to him which doesn't make any sense at all to me, especially since I stated earlier I was going to tell him the exact same things. This being a newbie game there are going to be some newbie attitudes and as far as I'm concerned (and apparently OE agreed,) the appropriate thing to do here is give a friendly warning here. Call it a 'pay it forward' as the same thing was done for me (see NMM 37 if you want to look into my meta). You didn't bother looking at this point that I made (not so hard to read the whole thread since it's only like 8 pages) and immediately make a weak association case. You're diggin' yourself a mighty deep hole derr..... | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote: In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it. Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm. Not subtle mention at all, really. I know I have to stop making excuses for people here, but that's definitely a bad town thing too. Ok, no more free passes from me, fellow newbies. You make a bad call from here on out, no mercy. Raven let's get something productive from you. Day is winding down, bduddy still hasn't posted and the votes are split fairly even between him and NW. What DO you DO? | ||
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First, PLEASE stop calling him L, it's really messing with my head. Second, I agree with you in that I'd like to hear something from Luneth regarding his lurker vote and absence thus far. We only have 24h left until someone dies and this certainly isn't the most active game I've been in by a long stretch. (Though maybe that's because Mocsta is usually in them.) | ||
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