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1) Lynching MilkSuckler. Fuck that guy. 2) I will use my vote aggressively to push town agenda throughout the game. I am not afraid to write cases and lay down my vote. I am a serious person. Now before you flame me, let me turn you around with this question: do you believe milksuckler had that post prepared before the game started? of course he did. Everything about that screams "pre-prepared post" which is fine if he's town but he wrote that when he didn't know his alignment. He could quite easily be scum. Don't trust him. Lynch Milksuckler. ##vote Wade Fell | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:04 JungleJorge wrote: Mayor seems pretty irrelevant. I suggest we do day one as if there was no mayor, and in the end people vote for the towniest looking out of those who want to lynch your main suspect. What do you guys think? This is literally a terrible idea | ||
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Yes, ideally you vote in the towniest player as mayor, but someone can be townie and useless. Mayor determines today's lynch. The idea that Mayor is irrelevant is one you should cast out of your mind as soon as possible. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:11 MilkSuckler wrote: No shit Sherlock, thanks for admitting the humour in this. Vivax got it. Funny but my platform is still lynching you. On February 26 2013 09:11 JungleJorge wrote: I believe you are right in both your assumptions, that milksuckler had that post prepared and that he could be scum. I also believe every other player may also be scum. Does milksuckler having a prepared post make him more likely scum? How so? If not why does he stand out to you as to being the best lynch? Would you care to expand on that? I'm trying to decide between you trying to bring in some activity or trying to get into my invisible poster list. If you don't already understand why I said that based on my posts, there's nothing I can do to help you. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:14 JungleJorge wrote: Ah ok, apparently you can't read! You will notice I said the towniest player that will lynch your main suspect. That's alright though, but try to spend more time reading and less time posting and you will do better next time. I did in fact read that, and it doesn't overcome the sheer idiocy of your initial statement, that the mayoral election is irrelevant. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:16 Promethelax wrote: I have a plan. It will be random and it may be a mislynch but it may not be. Vote for me, vote for a real RNG. Too often do scum have the ability to push the day one lynch into a townie, not with me as mayor. With me as mayor scum cannot control the lynch. It's not a 1/5 chance of you hitting scum, because we don't know your alignment. Even if you RNG the lynch (if you're a townie), there's a 4/25 chance electing you lynches scum, because there's a 1/5 chance of you being scum. Nobody's voting you. You're bad. Stop it. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:19 layabout wrote: lets kill wade for this: On the basis that it promotes a mafia agenda. The most important thing about the election is to get town into the two roles. Do you disagree with the paragraphs overall, or are you just cherrypicking a single sentence? Because, after all, I'm calling for people to explain their votes and mayoral candidates to explain who they're lynching in addition to people voting townreads. I know you're a smart guy, layabout, so you're not misreading me here. You're intentionally misrepresenting my claims. Why are you doing so? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:22 JungleJorge wrote: That's a good idea if we could make it happen, but unless the person we are set on lynching is town, I find that unlikely to occur. No harm in giving it a shot though. I don't like the idea of sending a bunch of votes the way of our top scumread and strongly oppose this idea. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:24 layabout wrote: I also dislike the way he not-so subtly draws a link between "pre-prepared post" and being scummy. Writing something pre-game tells us nothing, but wade tries to convince us that it s scummy. + Show Spoiler + The only thing scummy about it was that it was written by vivax in another game who is a generally notorious fellow or so i am told Um, yeah dude you gotta call that shit out or people will see it as townie. They see a big post and are like "hey this looks townie" and if you don't call it out immediately it's bad. In fact, you're glad it was called out. You think it was a good thing, and you think me drawing attention to it was excellent. What's the deal, layabout? On February 26 2013 09:25 Aquanim wrote: For the record, there is a voting thread. No-one but Toad appears to have noticed. Fuck da police also fuck flood control I guess you're good for something. | ||
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Read his posts hes scum | ||
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is it layabout why/why not | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:30 layabout wrote: @jj i dont know him but calling "neutral behavior" "scummy behavior" is "scummy". It is ridiculous to talk about somebody's alignment being clear at this point in the game. using scare quotes is "good" so yeah layabout here's what's happening today. You're gonna flail around a bit, I'm gonna get elected, then I'm going to lynch you. ezpz On February 26 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote: well everyone knows that the guy is voted to be lynched. What's supposed to happen? A mafia last second voteswitch to make him 1st instead of 2nd? I'm perfectly happy with mafia outing multiple guys to make our lynchcandidate mayor instead lol. There's not going to be anyone who's like "well I want to lynch him so we should make him come in 2nd!" and 5 minutes later ends up saying "well I liked him as a lynch candidate but I like what he's saying right now, so let's make him mayor instead!" The only problem I see with it is that it is indeed hard to pull off and needs organization in terms of people knowing what's going to happen somewhat ahead of time. I've seen a LOT of last minute shenanigans in recent games on TL Mafia. It's a disconcerting trend and you would be amiss to discount the possibility of that taking place here, led by either scum or town. People are bad. On February 26 2013 09:32 MilkSuckler wrote: Not lynching him. Its early game, we have only minute details to contemplate. With that in consideration I thought he did a decent job of a cock-block. I still don't like you; but the cock-block is a null tell. So Im lynching you so far, simply because I don't like you. Reads subject to change obviously Dear. Yeah there's 0% chance anyone should consider voting you for longer than like 3.5-4 seconds. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? :| | ||
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Wade Fell and JJ I've gotta launder my komodo dragon, I'll be back in a bit. | ||
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He uses the word "dear" to refer to people, the only person who ever does this is Marvellosity, right? | ||
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Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. Randombum's election idea is really, really bad. So bad, it jumps out-- but his thought process tells me it's not scummy. I don't like layabout but I _do_ like his support for a prom lynch. Layabout is no longer my lynch target should I get elected: Promethelax is. Prom has cleverly attacked me in my absence so that this will look like an OMGUS, but it's not. Here's a rundown of prom's RNG discussion. To begin: Prom suggests as his platform RNG (link), states he believes in it utterly (link) and fails to adequately address people questioning whether it will be pure RNG (link) His next mention of RNG is at 09:57 when he makes this post:+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. Other posters have outlined why this is enormously scummy, but also note that he pivots onto WoS here. He votes for VE despite VE saying that prom is on his lynch list, then he martyrs, then he makes this post, 3 hours after his post attacking WoS, attacking me: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 12:50 Promethelax wrote: From  To To omgus I've read wade's posts and he's scum. You should read them too. And this seems, well, fairly normal. Having abandoned RNG in a scummy fashion and martyred his election to mayor (scummy or pissy, your call), he pushes WoS and then decides I'm scum. But examine, for a moment, the post he has in his case against me. He largely quotes me being abrasive, interacting aggressively with others, and calling out layabout, and he says I'm scum. But all these quotes, all these posts, are posts he had at his fingertips when he initially attacked WoS! In fact, that last post about my platform being layabout was posted 30 minutes before his post attacking WoS. So what we have here isn't a townie following the thread whose reads evolve with the time. This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. Ver's guide is telling us that town is earnest, town pushes their reads, town ideas follow a logical train of thought, whereas scum reasoning is warped by the need to support and protect scum teammates. Prom is warped. Elect me, and I will see him lynched. Failing that, my vote goes to those townies who would lynch him. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote: This vet circle jerking has to stop now Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. For all you know I'm warbaby. How srs are you claiming a smurf is throwing around his vet status? | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:40 MilkSuckler wrote: Lol that made me laugh You're def not warbaby - post structure doesnt match; but that makes you someone aware of the NMM games. Even if you are not a vet; by comparing yourself to Dr.H/VE you are insinuating you are. DrH and VE are just the people who IMO should be elected mayor. They're contributing to the town discussion. In your own way, you are as well, but I don't want to elect you mayor. I do want to elect myself mayor, so I fall into a category with those two. I'm not "insinuating" anything. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:40 MilkSuckler wrote: Lol that made me laugh You're def not warbaby - post structure doesnt match; but that makes you someone aware of the NMM games. Even if you are not a vet; by comparing yourself to Dr.H/VE you are insinuating you are. Also for all you know I'm someone who ISN'T involved in the NMM games, and I looked up a newbie name JUST to throw you off. | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:45 MilkSuckler wrote: Thank you. This is what I meant in the first place. Just fyi I don't believe such an attitude currently exists in this game, if for no reason other than the smurfs. If people are disagreeing with you it's not because you're black | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote: [QUOTE]On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote:My problem is that I interpreted his actions as posting the prome casef was as if it was original content; and thus, was establishing himself to net mayor/pardoner votes. - Essentially a campaign pitch founded upon a sheep case. This may be a harsh assessment, and I am willing to re-read the post in question when I have a fresh head. (i.e. later tonight) Other posters have outlined why this is enormously scummy, /QUOTE] zZz [QUOTE]On February 26 2013 16:22 MilkSuckler wrote: I will give him credit that he has changed his tone somewhat since the whole "vet comments". [/quote] lol this is like literally not a reason to ever give anyone a town read. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:31 Wade Fell wrote: zZz lol this is like literally not a reason to ever give anyone a town read. | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:35 MilkSuckler wrote: Did i give you a town read? The answer is "no" I said I gave you some credit, nothing more, nothing less. being nice is worth 0 credit here this explains for you | ||
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also you can find the case here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883535 + Show Spoiler + I have finished preening my Komodo Dragon's feathers and am here to help. Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. Randombum's election idea is really, really bad. So bad, it jumps out-- but his thought process tells me it's not scummy. I don't like layabout but I _do_ like his support for a prom lynch. Layabout is no longer my lynch target should I get elected: Promethelax is. Prom has cleverly attacked me in my absence so that this will look like an OMGUS, but it's not. Here's a rundown of prom's RNG discussion. To begin: Prom suggests as his platform RNG (link), states he believes in it utterly (link) and fails to adequately address people questioning whether it will be pure RNG (link) His next mention of RNG is at 09:57 when he makes this post:+ Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. Other posters have outlined why this is enormously scummy, but also note that he pivots onto WoS here. He votes for VE despite VE saying that prom is on his lynch list, then he martyrs, then he makes this post, 3 hours after his post attacking WoS, attacking me: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 12:50 Promethelax wrote: From To To omgus I've read wade's posts and he's scum. You should read them too. And this seems, well, fairly normal. Having abandoned RNG in a scummy fashion and martyred his election to mayor (scummy or pissy, your call), he pushes WoS and then decides I'm scum. But examine, for a moment, the post he has in his case against me. He largely quotes me being abrasive, interacting aggressively with others, and calling out layabout, and he says I'm scum. But all these quotes, all these posts, are posts he had at his fingertips when he initially attacked WoS! In fact, that last post about my platform being layabout was posted 30 minutes before his post attacking WoS. So what we have here isn't a townie following the thread whose reads evolve with the time. This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. Ver's guide is telling us that town is earnest, town pushes their reads, town ideas follow a logical train of thought, whereas scum reasoning is warped by the need to support and protect scum teammates. Prom is warped. Elect me, and I will see him lynched. Failing that, my vote goes to those townies who would lynch him. | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:10 Aquanim wrote: EBWOP: Are you saying you think JJ is scum? What does his post being terrible mean in terms of his alignment? If I thought JJ was scum he'd be part of my mayoral platform. His post is just shit. People shitpost all the time. I refuse to engage his argument unless he makes it. On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote: mkay, thanks. Are you saying you think JJ is scum? What does his post being terrible mean? And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. His "case" on you is frankly pretty bad. That being said, I don't see how going back and reading the thread and noticing something you didn't before is scummy as such. The way he postured over RNG (which was incredibly mildly-- he mentions it only 3 times) and retreats from it, then flails around for a scumread, show a clear scum mindset. Look at his case on me, which includes quotes he LITERALLY HAD ALREADY QUOTED when speaking with me. You don't see how it could be scum motivated? Look at how he scrambles for scumreads, look at his case on me, it's not the result of rereading, it's the result of reinterpreting. His case on me isn't bad (well it is bad, but the point is), his case on me is scummy. The point isn't what the case says, it's the mindset the case _reveals_. His case was a prod, a gesture, an attempt to find a foothold of a wagon he could cling to. Look how he martyrs after his rng is shot down! look how he claims it was "just for discussion" when in fact he didn't press people when the disagreed with him and he made no attempt to generate discussion. There's a theory that prom was trying to generate discussion. That's the theory he's put out there. But nothing he did about RNG indicates he was trying to generate discuss, Did he respond to his critics? Did he shoot them down? Did he get into arguments with them and force them to take positions? NO! What Prom did is he backed down and complained, he made it look like he had tried something and failed, like he tried to help town but wasn't good enough. He made no effort to raise a discussion. He just said "RNG" a couple times and DIPPED and hoped people would think of him as a contributor. And when the pressure was on he revised his ideas without a clear logic train that any townie leaves in his post. He is scum. elect me, elect me so I can kill him. | ||
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1) introducing his platform http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17881631 2) saying he'll lynch himself http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17881662 3) saying his rng will be random http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17881701 AND THAT'S IT. HE NEVER MENTIONS IT AGAIN. I mean he insults JJ once, which is cool http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17881806 but other than that he's like "herp derp not gonna actually discuss things" | ||
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Like wut like srs like wut srs??? how srs are we guys how srs | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote: oh, fuck. yeah i'm Wade Fell. I knew I'd do this on D1 I'm shitty at smurfing On February 26 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote: how srs On February 26 2013 19:32 Blazinghand wrote: Wow I'm so bad. FUCK IM SO BAD Um, so yeah. when I say "bad" i mean in the "oops I broke my smurf" bad not the "bad like JJ is bad" bad just fyi | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:51 Toadesstern wrote: That begs the question why he's still alive. Perhaps we don't have a dayvig  If we did have one he wouldn't be able to fire day 1. | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:52 The Milkman wrote: Stop asking for day kills and trying to get the identities of smurfs, useless fluff and it only makes the thread big. I am sorry for not posting this in one post but I am getting really dismayed by the one liner festive over here. Effort people, were on like page thirty and we are not even half through the day. I understand Promethelax's plan, it fizzled but what are we going to do. I understand some smurfs suspicion of him planning a getaway with a rng argument. People are quite upfront about their opinions, that is one good thing... Besides all that negativity flowing through them... so no real opinions then | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:53 geript wrote: Also is wade Marv? :| HOW SERIOUS ARE WE | ||
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Also layabout what's the deal bro | ||
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your question is wrong they say "there are no stupid questions" but they are wrong they are so wrong | ||
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Just everything about the question is bad. IF hassybaby posts, we'll deal with that hurdle when we come to it, using the information available at the time. ugh. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. Most of what you say in this paragraph is false. If I'm a townie and I see a guy defending me for literally no reason, and the guy refuses to explain himself, I immediately think "this is scum trying to set it up so he looks good after I flip" and I think this is pretty much true of everyone. Now, that may not be my final conclusion, but you must always consider the possibility of scum defending townies. A lot of this paragraph is you defending your own actions, saying you "had no reason to risk" your neck over it. If someone reads this paragraph quickly and not attentively, it LOOKS like you're trying to read into his mindset and draw conclusions, but your logic is profoundly flawed. You did not put yourself in the shoes of a townie being mislynched, you made up a narrative that fit the conclusion you wanted, or you simply don't understand how mafia works. What really gets my goat though (and it gets the SHIT out of my goat) is that you end your damn post with this: On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. No. This is not acceptable. If you have a scumread, you share that shit with the town. What if your evidence convinces people that macho man is scummier? That's not derailing a lynch, that's RAILING a lynch. This town is DISEASED. this town is INFESTED with people who don't want to share their thoughts, their logical process by which they arrive at conclusions. they just say "I think X" or "I think Y" and it's SHIT. It's SHIT and we're EATING IT like it's candy. stop eating shit JJ. stop spitting shit into my mouth. It's digusting. I am not a sewer and you are not a toilet. stop it. This post? This post is terrible. (link) what are you even doing here? your'e backtracking your stuff, blah blah blah look, under the (profoundly unlikely) prom-is-town theory, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY THOUGHT, prom attacked you BECAUSE you said he was town for no reason that you shared. Prom is clearly scum, but look at what's happening here! You're hurting us. You're lowering the level of the discourse. It's been like a day since you said you have a scumread on macho man, and you're not sharing. I don't want to lynch you today, not at the moment-- but you're playing against the town. stop it. stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop | ||
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In vayesh's own way, though, he isn't as bad, because at least vayesh doesn't clothe his dissembling in the garments of truth. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote: Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective. geript I want you to think about the logic of a disinterested self-lynching martyr as being someone you wouldn't lynch and think about where following this policy will lead you | ||
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just share your thoughts. they're terrible but just share all of them god | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:51 JungleJorge wrote: As opposed to you who are good? Tell me how is the offensive name calling helping? I don't believe there was enough time for you to read carefully my post before responding to it. Spend less time typing and more time reading, it will go a long way. zZz | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:43 geript wrote: Seeing as how WF hasn't made real splashes to be mayor since the initial campaign, I think he's resigned himself to not being able to grab it and quit trying. I have considered town actions for DrH, but a soft campaign makes far more sense as scum than as town. I see little other intent that makes any sense. Yeah good point if I were really trying to be mayor, I'd be showing how I'd make good use of the 2x vote by pressuring additional people, reinforcing the case on prom, and interacting in a positive way with other townies. GOOD POINT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS I'M NOT DOING? | ||
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1. Is BH really interested, will he in fact lynch Prom? Now, I like VE as much as any other guy does. He's thoughtful and pushing the discussion in a good direction. IF you're not voting for him, it's not because you have a scumread on him-- it's because initially he wasn't committing to lynching Prom. At the moment I write this post, I believe that VE wants to lynch Prom. If he were elected right now, he'd drop the hammer on the man. But he's not consistently anti-Prom like DrH and I (though I remain open to new possible lynch candidates) who have not wavered in our support of a Prom lynch, even for a moment. VE right now will lynch Prom. But what about VE in 6 hours? Or VE in 12 hours? If there's one thing we know about VE, it's that he's a strident and aggressive player as town, and changing who his target is, even if he doesn't want to do it right now, is exactly the kind of thing VE does. He probably believes himself when he affirms his willingness to lynch Prom at deadline-- but that's the now-VE, not the 12-hours-from-now VE. I trust present VE, but future VE loves shenannies. He loves them more than I do. "But Blazinghand", you say, "you have done shenannies yourself!" And yes, these shennanies (such as in Mario Mini D1) have worked well. But examine my shennanies, and you see that in Mario I was pushing Hapa all day. Sometimes, I have games where I am suspicious of everyone, but sometimes I have games where I have a damn scumread and I push him all day, and I don't stop until he's 6 feet under. Yes, I've criticized people other than Prom. Yes, I like DrH and VE. But I'm the _only_ guy here who has the tunnel vision to pull this thing off, the crush Prom like the fly he is. I will not waver. And that's more than can be said for the others, townie and talented they they are. 2. I'm not sure of Blazinghand's alignment. VE seems like a safer bet. Is it really townie for BH to be so abrasive? The other guys seem like they'll use the power better. Look, you can look at Parrallel world, or Bureaucracy, or Idiot Cop Mafia, and it's SUPER clear what my scum meta is like. I'm an aggressive guy. I call them like I see them. I post a mixture of one-liners and text-walls and I MAKE SENSE. I make people uncomfortable. I push them out of their comfort zones. And I'll be damned if it doesn't WORK. Look, DrH is kinda a passive guy. He doesn't really want this. And VE? VE will often be all talky but he doesn't use his vote like a cudgel the way I do. Check out my play in Themed Game Mafia (link) where just on the strength of my vote I pushed down the scumteam (though was hit by a vengeful mechanic at the start of N1). This is how I play. I'm in people's faces, and I don't apologize for it. Some guys, like Layabout, get butthurt (jk jk) but it's how I roll and how I haven't been mislynched as a townie in over a year. My scum play is asstastic (and yes I know saying that from myself isn't super convincing, but you get the idea) and EVERYONE knows when I'm scum. If you give DrH the double vote, sure, he'll be kinda useful, and VE might make some headway with it, but if you give me the double vote, I'll cut swathes through the scumteam like a spear of vinegar cutting through barrels of unspoiled wine. I alone can bring this power to its full potential. Look at my play in Themed Game Mafia, now imagine that with a double vote. Are you salivating now? Yes, yes you are. You want me, baby. 3. But BH / WF is a TOTAL MEANIE HEAD! He was _mean_ to me, and I want to elect someone who was all nice! Being mean is totally a scumtell! No. Don't buy this logic for a second. Maybe you're mad at me! Maybe you've been pressured by me, or felt I was part of a vast veteran conspiracy to lock you out. Maybe I called you dumb. But only scum fears the light, and I do not step down when I have something to say. Being mad at me is NOT a case against me. Set those feelings aside. Don't vote with your emotions. Vote with your mind. I alone will unerringly lynch Prom. I will use the doublevote aggressively as I always do. I am obviously town-- several veterans deduced this was me before I broke smurf because of how idionsyncratic my town play is. You know I'm the right choice, more right than those two ever could be. | ||
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On February 27 2013 17:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: grush57 is one of the worst players i've ever seen and im in no state of mind to try to work out what the nuances are between his usual uselessness and his scum uselessness This would be a terrible sentence, but it's about grush57 so it's absolutely correct. | ||
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On February 27 2013 17:58 Toadesstern wrote: he's more actively useless and more in your face when town. He usually tries to push some kind of bullshit screaming at people, yelling and kicking at the same time. Pretty sure he's not town. oh god you learned his meta | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:51 Toadesstern wrote: do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead? This is a begging question. "Toadesstern, when did you stop beating your wife": of course, you never beat your wife. The choice isn't between electing the lynch target pardoner, and electing someone pardoner. The choice is between giving votes to someone who's townie and giving votes to someone who's scum, thereby taking a risk that shenannies happen. I won't espouse a complex plan. We do this simple and we do it right. No shenannies. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:52 layabout wrote: BH get with the plan we are destroying the power and (i thought) we were having VE with mayor. No. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:57 Toadesstern wrote: Just tell me what you're afraid of. Mafia pulling 5 members to last minute voteswitch on prom? Who cares lol. That's 5 outed mafias. Prom is set to lynch and we're perfectly fine to pull this off. Or some group of well-intentioned but terrible townies (perhaps with scum leading or joining them) decides that the towniest player is actually JJ or something crappy like that, and votes flow from VE to him, and the day ends with the VE majority split across them, and Prom has the most votes. This kind of thing happens ALL the time, and the only reason it hasn't boned us in the past is we haven't done something foolish like give a scum player the second-most number of votes. No plan survives contact with reality, and I will _not_ support such a wrongheaded plan that could potentially give Prom this power. What, do you have a scumread on DrH? | ||
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Come on, we can't take that risk. | ||
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I'm, uh, actually the best candidate? And apparently 5 brave and thoughtful souls and one JJ agree with me. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:52 Vivax wrote: Anyone else besides JJ you would lynch, wade? I'd also like more opinions on Hassy, he keeps flying under the radar. So far I'm the only guy who has been pressuring him and that's concerning. Prom is actually my top lynch choice, then JJ. If elected, I will lynch PROM. I will NOT lynch JJ with this lynch. This I promise. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible. Look guys who are voting Prom, if nothing else, even if you won't listen to me, listen to the most popular mayoral candidate. VE knows what I know-- that foolish risks are just that, foolish. Unvote Prom. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote: Really let's stop all this fuss about who becomes mayor. I'd currently rather have VE in than Wade given how unwilling to give out reads Wade is. Prom gets lynched either way, the winner gets a double vote basically so let's discuss tomorrow's lynches instead of talking so much about this pardoner stuff. Destroying the pardoner role is a fine idea but it's not a tragedy if it goes to a townie looking guy either. Wade, I was actually asking you if you have any other reads besides Prom and JJ, I saw Prom as a nobrainer cause he's dead meat anyway. Unwilling to give out reads? I helped nail down prom and I'm the only real comprehensive JJ case. I'm not making a shitty list post. If I could nail 3 people right now (kill, not bone) I'd say it'd be Prom, JJ, and Geript. But I haven't written a case against Geript yet, because I focus on my reads rather than shitting up the thread with list posts. | ||
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Remember, 1) don't vote prom 2) vote me | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: wow you know town has gone off its hinges when VayeshMoru is the voice of reason | ||
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I brought Aquanim around (link) and evolved my position on JJ (link) in response to new evidence. I've demonstrated clearly that I should be the Mayor (link) and you could not go wrong elected me. My opponents think I'm a great mayoral candidate, and want me to be mayor even! A vote for WF is a vote for Justice! this message sponsored by WF for Mayor 2013 | ||
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Ok I wrote that post in a rush so let me be NINE THOUSAND PERCENT CLEAR I WILL LYNCH PROMETHELAX THIS IS WHAT I WILL DO I WILL NOT LYNCH TOAD | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:41 layabout wrote: urgh I'm tired and can't count. This shouldn't be so close. I don't get why it's gone so quiet. And BH you should know better than to try to make it this close especially when you were okay with the other candidates and they will lynch the same person as you. To make it this close? There's no danger unless for some horrible reason people vote for prom. Like, the three candidates for mayor are all good, and one of them, me, is the BEST. The only way danger would exist is if someone voted for prom and we nailed down that coffin so what's your deal | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:42 layabout wrote: This is not a valid way to oppose a candidate True. Also synthesizing cocaine would be by far the best super power | ||
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Who will make the best use of the doublevote? Who uses his vote like a cudgel to beat scum into submission every game? ME. It's BLAZINGHAND aka WADE FELL who is the VOTEMEISTER. Let me have the doublevote. I will use it for good rather than useless and my style synergizes with it. Vote for me! | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:49 layabout wrote: There is more risk associated with 3 candidates than 2 and we are in a situation that has given mafia the power to choose the roles if they wish. Even if you don't mind them being able to do this it is a failure for town to allow this to happen especially when we have had this long and when the candidates are so similar and do not object to each other being voted. One of the 3 should have stepped down earlier, given that Dr.h stood because he felt people were uncomfortable with voting you this really should have been you. + Show Spoiler + unless he was talking about ve in which case it should have been him You just don't like me and literally said you want to kill me regardless of my alignment. Nobody can trust anything you have to say on me, and nobody should listen to any of your reads on me this game. | ||
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Well, when it finally comes down to it, I have the power to choice who is the mayor and who is the pardoner. I am sorry, DrH, but I trust you more than VE, so you're the pardoner. You will 100% not use the power, and my townread on you is stronger than VE, so... ##unvote ##vote VE DrH has made sense from the start of the day. He is the only one who can be trusted with the power that moves up LYLO by a half-day, the pardoning power. I am sorry, VE. I know you didn't want this, but sometimes greatness is thrust upon the unsuspecting. I am suffering from flood control, so if I am unable to post in the voting thread between now and the deadline, hosts, please consider this to be a vote for VE. | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Like this is the only guy who's given reasoning as to why I make a better Mayor than Pardoner. Everyone else has just silently voted me and watched or been AFK during this, our most stressful hour. LOL sorry the reason is "I don't trust you as much" but that's how it rolls sometimes. I still want to find out what's going on with this: On February 28 2013 05:01 Chezinu wrote: oh and I do have opinions! read my filter! I just don't have anything solid yet. When I do, it will be heard! Yes... it will be heard... muhahahahah! | ||
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quoted for filter purposes On February 28 2013 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: >MFW people hate on my mad explication sklls | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:02 MilkSuckler wrote: Do you have something useful to contribute?... cos your e-peen is looking pretty flaccid to me 1) yes 2) usually just after climax i am quite flaccid | ||
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On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: The case against VE: 1. He's a liar. He's lied about almost everything he's said. He's running for mayor, but he doesn't want to be mayor. I documented this quite well in my previous post so I'm not going to bother continuing with it here. I was like literally the only person in this damn town who was both in the running for mayor and wanted to be mayor. Also Lynch All Liars? What is this, amateur hour? On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: 2. He didn't want to remove the pardoner position at all. As of 7:03 we had 7-6-6-5 vote distribution. Not only is there what like 2 hours to consolidate votes on Prom, but we get a clear leader of VE with 9 within 15 minutes. Right before this post: Plus Dr. H adds his vote around 7:30. Didn't VE say that he never wavered in wanting to lynch Prome? Didn't VE say he wanted to be pardoner to keep it out of scum's hands? Why not try and force the issue of getting to solve both goals? Lynch Scum, prevent pardoner shennannies. But no, he's wholly against any reasonable attempt to remove the pardoner. That's right folks, there's a clear pro-town plan to wholly remove pardoner and Prome in one fell swoop and VE doesn't want to go for it because it required getting 3 people at max to put votes on Prome. There were multiple people on. There were multiple people paying attention. No reason to think that this plan wouldn't work. VE wanted to keep the pardoner in the game solely so he could be pardoner. The plan to make Prom pardoner was shit-bad because of the risks it took. VE and I have our disagreements but on this at least he was chilltacular. On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: Any bull about vote switches to move Prome into Mayor are completely insane as those people would be vig'd and/or lynched ASAP. Come and get me, then. On March 01 2013 03:31 geript wrote: 4. He's playing scared. I want to highlight this section in particular. Other than the blantant lies, Prome brings up two separate points: A. That he's not afraid of doing unorthodox things B. The town majority on Prome was there (aside: even if there were more people like myself who were null-to-null-minus leaning on him, most everyone in the least thought the case had merit and it was an acceptable lynch) His solution to this situation is to "step down"? Stepping down isn't in VE's personality at all; he's Type A personality all the way. He wants to be in the driver's seat. He wants to flash his epeen and gloat left and right. He wants to not only be able to have his pick of the litter and still be able to lynch Prome later. So why not take his target where he pleases? Is he not going to trust his reads? That's pretty easy to rule out due to personality. Is he trying to bend to the will of the people? Maybe, but as he stated, that doesn't fit him. He doesn't give a fuck what other people think of him. Is he scared of the repercussions if he didn't select Prome? Damn right. His goal is survival; nothing less, nothing more. When he got 'stuck' with Mayor he chose the option that would put the least pressure on him. He's avoiding. Day vigs wait to do your job until morning. Yeah This is a somewhat more reasonable statement but you're reaching here bro doosk Look geript I haven't finished catching up in the thread, but this reads a lot more like "I want to lynch VE and I will manufacture evidence/case to support it if I can't find one" than "I have found evidence/case pointing towards VE" In any case, I personally 1) shot down the bad prom pardoner plan like the badness it was and 2) made sure VE became mayor. Does this make me scum in your eyes? | ||
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1) VE was trying to get Pardoner, since he is scum. his friends helped him with this. 2) anyone trying to stop the Prom as Pardoner Plan is scum 3) BH prevented 1, but shot down the PPP So what does he think of me | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Certainly convenient and rather myopic of you, isn't it On March 01 2013 07:41 geript wrote: I hadn't really thought about him at all. He just didn't strike my radar. My only thought on him was I thought he was Marc for whatever reason. See, I think you're intentionally ignoring me because although your so-called "logic" should indicate that you ought to attack me, you know I am unassailably townie and staying alive is your #1 objective, not hunting scum. To put it clear: your goal isn't to find scum, it's to find reasons to find VE scum, and you just slipped up real bad cause those reasons should/could apply to me and you're not doing so. Opportunistic. Even more reason to think you're scum | ||
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He suggested the Prom Pardoner thing, then DIDN'T DEFEND THE IDEA. He says that his light "Went out" (link) but the fact of the matter is, JJ's position on Prom as Pardoner is the _Same_ as Prom's position on RNG. Imagine, if you would, a town JJ who thinks making Prom the Pardoner and lynchign him is a good idea. Well, our JJ brought up the idea in the thread (link) AND THAT'S IT. He didn't actually push the idea, he didn't try to support it, he didn't do anything. Let's say JJ really thought this was a good idea-- why didn't he argue vehemently for it like other supporters did? Why didn't he say anything? Why was his "pressure" on Prom actually a defense? It seems obvious to me that this is just JJ walking back his Prom defense by guising it as an attack, and when the scumteam realized that Prom was going down, Prom decided to distance JJ and give him an excuse to attack Prom (link) through a pretty basic double-bus strategy. JJ's actions do NOT reflect someone aggressive at Prom who wants to make Prom the partner. They reflect someone who is scum with Prom and got Prom's help to back down. JJ is scum. If I die before I wake, him to the grave you must take | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:01 Blazinghand wrote: As a note, I also find Chez to be a highly acceptable lynch target and will be pushing him after the daypost I'm gonna go brush my Komodo Dragon's fur then I'll make a comprehensive case and cast a vote on either Chez or JJ | ||
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"But BH, aren't you just being moody? Chezinu is ALWAYS like this" Really? Let me tell you how he's been 1) during D1 he offered no reads or thoughts of substance, just blathering 2) he ninja voted me for an initially unexplained reason, and as it has been said, it is highly likely at least one scum was voting for me 3) his reason for voting me, that I have off a "Town vibe" with no other explanation, is suspect (link) because Chezinu as town loves trolling with his votes Now, poeple will say "But Chezinu always trolls" but this is wrong, example: Chezinu in LVIII explains (in his chezinu-like fashion) his votes. (link) when he is a townie. He trolls (link) but he also pushes a townie agenda (link) trying to prevent mislynches and he writes posts explaining reads, even if they STILL TROLL at the same time (link). Chezinu is not a worthless townie. Contrast his play as a townie to his play this game (link). Straight-up trolling without contributing, or even his super high level massive troll/analysis paragraphs. He (?)claims sheriff at the start of D2 and he's not sharing his thoughts, even in a trolling fashion. This is scum Chezinu. I know this in my heart, I know this from having played with him, and I know this from how he's playing this game. Lynch him. ##vote Chezinu | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote: Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad? irrelevant to my chezinu case >:| if you want you can think about it more from the observer QT in 44 hours. On March 01 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: ##vote JungleJorge Look, I get that JJ is scummy as shit, and we should lynch him soon, but Chezinu needs to die NOW. I like that other people are picking up on JJ being scummy though. Chezinu is #1 scum we lynch him today. If we lynch JJ I find that acceptable, but CHEZINU, according to his meta AND given how he's played this game independent of meta, has confirmed himself as scum. Read my case. Read his filter. Read the filter from his town game. This is scum chezinu chezinu must die lynch him | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote: The thing about jcarl is that he's in the same category as a few other people like hassy, Chezinu, JJ and the like, so we might as well RNG one of them and shoot the fish in the barrel cause we will never know for sure if they're scum if we don't get them to post more. NO. My case on Chezinu is ABSOLUTE. He _is_ scum, and he will flip scum this game or I will literally eat my hat with A-1 Steak Sauce and upload a video on youtube. You think (or you're scum and you're trying to deflect) that a Chezinu lynch is an RNG, but it's NOT. Chezinu is scum. He's playing like scum, and he's also playing like scum chezinu. Read the god-forsaken case. | ||
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day vig if you are not chezinu shoot chezinu | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote: If there is another day vig, please wait to see flip first. The truth will save me. I approve of this message | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:53 randombum wrote: Also, wtf we have a day vig on somebody with no discussion with the town? Is this a chez trait to just go off the walls pew pew style? Chezinu is scum | ||
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I've outlined why, and his behavior today only reinforces how important it is to lynch him, and how obviously he is scum. | ||
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Vote him kill him | ||
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SPILL HIS BLOOD | ||
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quoted for filter On March 01 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I hate my brain. + Show Spoiler + Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM Chez is scum. shoot the scum. spill his blood | ||
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I mean yeah he claimed dayvig... but shouldn't that be even MORE reason to lynch him? It's not alignment-indicative and he threw away his shot when he could have shot someone much scummier. The Grush ##shoot thing was a red herring. Come on, guys, he's throwing mud in the water and sand in the air and we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez. STOP BEING CONFUSED EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ my case is SO GOOD. At least respond | ||
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No. Fuck that reason. Fuck it . I dont' care about learning, I don't care about anything but lynching scum, and CHEZ IS SCUM. Why would anything other than lynching scum matter | ||
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if that's what you're saying I'll punch you so hard in the balls your dad will pull out of your mom 20 years ago and you'll never be concieved | ||
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So your;'e saying you think Chez is scum and... you want to lycnh him... tomorrow?! Loike, NOT TODAY? you think chez is scum and you don't want to lynch him plz repeat if htis is true plz repeat if this is true plz plz I must know aquanim, i must know what you think-- do you think chez is scum? You think he is scum and you want to lynch him tomorrow isntead of today? Is this really what you think? Like "oh hey lynching scum isn't my #1 priority" because it's not your #1 priority? plz plz repeat if true you are not being clear, plae clarify for me like the thing that's confusing me is you seem to think chez is scum.. .adn therefore you don't want to lynch chezinu today?!? what sorcery is this plz repeat if true | ||
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On March 01 2013 21:36 Aquanim wrote: I said lynch scum tomorrow, not lynch chezinu tomorrow. I have no interest in parking a vote on chezinu and going AFK for 40 hours though. what is your read on chezinu what is your thoughts on my chezinu case? 12 hours ago you said you had no thoughts on chezinu and reading his filter wouldn't help what is your read on chezinu what is your read on chezinu did you read my case what are your thoughts on my case what are your thoughts on my case that proves, definitively, that chezinu is scum? christ it's hard to get an answer out of you | ||
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quoted for filter On March 01 2013 21:38 Blazinghand wrote: talking to aquanim is like wrestling an eel while covered in motor oil | ||
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On March 01 2013 21:41 Aquanim wrote: sorry, I'm playing dota skimread your case and it looks legit want to compare it to chez's filter though I'll get back to you in an hour | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:48 JungleJorge wrote: BH, I know you are terrible at this game, but you happen to be right on this occasion. Can you use your spamming to help me push Chezinu? This town seems to be undergoing some extreme retardation effect that we must work together to nullify. | ||
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LYNCH THE CHEZ nobody has any good arguments against lynching chez i think | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:05 Vivax wrote: If Chez indeed flips scum then I'll nominate his play for worst claim 2013 lol. I disagree. If he's a mafia day vigi, perhaps he realizes that he cannot possibly stop the freight train-like momentum of a BH-backed push. He fires immediately and claims town day vigi, just to move us a half-step closer to lylo, since it's the last thing he could do for his team. Given that he's chez and how comprehensive my case against him is, it's reasonable. He can't go shooting someone super obviously town if he wants a chance to live (people would know he's scum if he show me, for example), and he doesn't want to shoot an ally or someone who's lynchbait. It seems to me his action perfectly aligns with what a scum chez would do in this case-- reasonable and not bad. | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote: Wade, why do you completely ignore JJ's Jailer claim? It's a meaningless claim. The only thing it does is make him look scummier | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:20 Wade Fell wrote: It's a meaningless claim. The only thing it does is make him look scummier I say as much earlier on this page. We'll lynch chez first, then JJ | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:52 Blazinghand wrote: NOT RELEVENT ONLY RELEVENT THINK IHS LYNCHING CHEZ christ But like, I don't think jj's claim is useful to us and tbh i see no reason for town to claim that | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:53 grush57 wrote: I wanted both dead but because I could actually vote I would prefer for Toad to die. wat | ||
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On March 02 2013 08:14 layabout wrote: Bh it's relevant because you are telling us to lynch a player that is probably town chez is scum lynch him chez is not "probably town" | ||
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so you're saying you have no arguments against lynching chez? good. | ||
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On March 02 2013 09:33 Aquanim wrote: ... Mafia is at 4 players currently. If they lose another player they will be at 3. 4/2 rounded down is 2. 3/2 rounded down is 1. So if one more scum dies they will lose a KP. isn't that even more reason to lynch chez rather than lynching for weird abstract reasons like "information" | ||
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quoted for filter On March 02 2013 09:46 Blazinghand wrote: If Hassybaby gets modkilled then so be it. Chez is scum-- this I know to be true, by logic and evidence and case. He shall die he shall flip scum and we shall rejoice | ||
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On March 02 2013 11:53 geript wrote: D&Ding. Quite frankly, I don't think there'd just be a Scum day vig. I think Dr. H scum slipped. If that's true, then Chez is town. So you're saying "by the power of utterly wrong-headed setup speculation, I refuse to believe the fact that the scummiest player in the game, who is scum by behavior, meta, AND who he chose to shoot, is in fact scum, EVEN THOUGH the setup explicitly allows for mafia day vig" is that what you are saying, geript scumbuddy of chez? | ||
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On March 02 2013 13:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I post a big ass case on Geript, a ton of time passes, I ask why the thread is so quiet and 4 people come up "im here and voting chez" no resistance to the lynch either hm no resistance to the lynch cause i battered it into people over the course of the past 28 hours! There was tons of resistance before then. In fact, until my hissyfit about 16 hours ago nobody even responded to the case also geript is clearly chez' scumbuddy | ||
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I guess you're new here so i'll explain a basic rule that always must be followed: do not make associative tells between unflipped players. So, let's say for example I suspect you of being Chez' scumbuddy. Well, however sure I am of chez being scum (and I am highly sure) it is unreasonable for me to say "Geript is scum because Chez is scum" unless Chez has already flipped. If today was a double-lynch day, or if there's another day vigi, you're an acceptable second lynch. But Step 1 is to confirm your premise, THEN you catch the scumbuddy. hope that helped! | ||
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However, I think your so-called "ineptitude" and lack of motivation is just scum-scuses (like excuses for scum) that you're giving to be quiet and not give away your buddies before we lynch you tomorrow. If you're town, play to your win-con: prove me wrong and find scum. Refine your DrH case. Fight the haters. If you're scum, HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE | ||
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Therefore, strongly urge everyone to vote to lynch Chezinu today | ||
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Like i get it, you think DrH is scum, but don't try to start a penis-measuring contest or like throw irrelevant quotes at him. You should be trying to convince people who aren't DrH that he's scum, not DrH. Push yo read dawgggg | ||
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On March 02 2013 15:58 geript wrote: Nope, I stand behind my reads. If they were wrong, then they were wrong. But that's how I see them; you don't like them, think they're shit well I don't give a damn. I try and re-evaluate as I go on and yes, like everyone else, I can and do change my mind. VE still lied left and right the whole fucking game. If you didn't go back and read his pages, then that's on you not me. Dude I personally didn't think "omg VE is the towniest of townies" so i made him mayor and not pardoner, but like legit that dude raised the level of the discourse D1. Not as well as DrH and not as well as me, but he was in it to win it and he was prodding people and getting responses, and generally being the fearless VE townie that he is. Get off your high horse and push your case | ||
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On March 02 2013 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what kind of townie figures the best course of action is to martyr himself and ask snide questions while completely avoiding every relevant point his accuser makes the kind of townie who is likely the scumbuddy of chez | ||
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On March 02 2013 16:19 Aquanim wrote: And you wonder why geript is martyring himself and asking snide questions. Whether he's town or scum the reason he's behaving like this is you two... aquabro remember when you were doubting on the prom case, and i was chilltacular and explained it? I am a chilltacular dude I encourage dudes to chillax | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Morning gents. I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead). Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today. ##unvote ##vote Geript hellow scum #3 | ||
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On March 03 2013 03:37 geript wrote: I've been pushing for who I thought was the most scum at the time as I could. If you don't like that then you know where you can go. In the least by martyring myself I'll at least partially achieve my goal of doing as much to discredit the you, WoS, Moc and BH. I don't trust any of you. You bring up my game meta, yet still haven't answered how Mocsta's playing different from his meta. You're indifferent all over the place. You're more than happy to give out your town reads yet don't give a damn about anyone else's and attack Prome for being focused on town reads. scum #2 | ||
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On March 03 2013 05:53 glurio wrote: Ok guys i'm very sorry but weekends are always a busy time for me. I'll vote geript right now, rather have him lynched then Chez tonight. For reason just look at my last post. Still stand by that. I'll try to be here before the deadline, but cant promise. NO NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG [QUOTE]On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote: Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.) I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? [/quuote] YES YES HE WOULD ok imagine you are chez You have just been caught by sexy scumhunter extraordinaire, Wade Fell AKA Blazinghand. You know he is sexy because of all the babes he gets, and you also know he's an amazing player. He is so super cool. He's just excellent. You wish you could be 4x as cool so you could be even half as cool as him. But the point is, he's gonna push you and you're gonna die. However, you are a mafia day vigi. you KNOW that you're basically dead. What do you do? Why, you fire off your gun at someone who looks townie, so that you move town a half-step closer to LYLO. If you're gonna die anyways this is the last thing you can do to help town I've already explained this-- how do you not understand this? | ||
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On March 03 2013 06:50 Wade Fell wrote: NO NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG YES YES HE WOULD ok imagine you are chez You have just been caught by sexy scumhunter extraordinaire, Wade Fell AKA Blazinghand. You know he is sexy because of all the babes he gets, and you also know he's an amazing player. He is so super cool. He's just excellent. You wish you could be 4x as cool so you could be even half as cool as him. But the point is, he's gonna push you and you're gonna die. However, you are a mafia day vigi. you KNOW that you're basically dead. What do you do? Why, you fire off your gun at someone who looks townie, so that you move town a half-step closer to LYLO. If you're gonna die anyways this is the last thing you can do to help town I've already explained this-- how do you not understand this? | ||
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On March 03 2013 06:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game. I was right about prom, I'm about to be proven right about Chez, and I will be highly correct about all the scum left in the game. Quiver, scum! quiver in fear! quiver like arrows! | ||
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On March 03 2013 07:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: In that case, I'm looking forward to you being sorely disappointed. hueheuheuhehue it is you who will be sorely disappointed kind sir | ||
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On March 03 2013 07:28 glurio wrote: I'm semi-here but why didn't he just shoot you wade? You (wade) seem muche more useful then milkman, i don't get it really. I mean he needs to die but why right now? Vig could just shoot him tonight. the first question is reasonable, and i suspect he shot milk specifically so you'd ask that question. The second question amounts to "let's not lynch scum today because I'm bad" and is an unacceptably-premised question. | ||
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On March 03 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote: Are you trying to cause a no-lynch? He almost certainly will if this madness continues. We still have a majority on Chezinu but no-one should unvote Chezinu, and anyone who's not on chezinu should move their vote onto him now. | ||
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On March 03 2013 08:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth heh well in 10 minutes when chez flips scum that big party of you is going to be highly disappointed | ||
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"blazinghand I am not as sexy and intelligent as you are, and i don't have as many babes who want me, therefore I did not immediately go along with your plan" "blazinghand my name is jcarlsoniv and i got totally suckered and/or am scum, and must now bow before your sexiness. I beg to kiss your feet" please please guys it's okay you can stop "but you're so sexy" "i'm turning gay 4 u" okay okay stop ok | ||
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"i was wrong all along and blazinghand was always right" | ||
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I will redouble my efforts to hunt scum, and everyone-- especially townies who feel like they might be lynched tomorrow-- should do so as well, to both find scum and clear their own name | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:23 geript wrote: I appreciate it BH, but I don't think there's a point. don't be a Negative Nancy. Look, let's say hypothetically you are in fact Town, AND nothing you do or say will prevent you from getting lynched. This is the worst case scenario, and from your constant incessant whiny bitching, it is what you appear to believe. You're a reasonably bright guy: you have 72 hours to hunt scum, and then you will be lynched, and after you flip, you're a confirmed townie. What this means is, If you wrote like 3 great cases on the 3 remaining scum between now and getting flipped, we can say "oh, geript is a confirmed townie, in fact one of the few who wrote cases" since you will literally be mod-confirmed. We'll read the cases and they will be valued to the town. And that's in the worst case scenario, where we 100% lynch you. 72 hours, and you can be more helpful to this town than anyone, including me-- even if you get lynched. If I were you and I were a townie, I would use my time as best I could to win the game. You win as a townie, even if you're dead at the end, when the town wins. If I were you and I were scum, though, I'd keep whining and find excuses to bitch, moan, and not contribute between now and getting lynched. Your call. | ||
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On March 03 2013 12:30 Blazinghand wrote: geript if someone you think is scum makes a post like you just made, would that convince you? Do you think this is a reasonable post for a townie to make? No, I didn't think so either. I suppose the most prudent choice in your position though is to make no posts so that you don't give away any of your teammates. Fair enough. I don't know why I thought I'd be able to actually smurf effectively when I'm so bad at it. In any case geript I'll check back on the thread regularly throughout the night. I hope you have a change of heart. | ||
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On March 03 2013 18:24 geript wrote: Look, there's really not a point. Honestly. My filter looks different at points and in some regards. He can point to size/vets/coaching, you can point to the fact that there's a difference. I can point to the fact in 12 games, I've gotten LVT in 10 of them (one of them I was mafia). Either way, I think that barring something completely crazy I can put the 11nth on the mantle with the rest. So I'd appreciate it if you'd just shut the fuck up about my play entirely as you're literally judging me on the best game I've played and there's no real way to defend myself this game. geript my soldier my friend my half asian half black half-eskimo half-werewolf half-brother from another mother you gotta take a chill pill and chillax instead of going all redonkudonk on the mocster don't worry about defending yourself right now, formulate your cases and reads | ||
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2) really bro outing a blue at night? pbbbbbsh it's a good thing you have no cred in anyone's eyes and/or are probably scum cause that's a shitty move to pull on someone else if u srs it's a good effort but scumreads and cases are all that matter | ||
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On March 04 2013 05:17 JungleJorge wrote: If I live through the night I'll bother explaining. Otherwise I'll flip town and you take my word for it. No. You're assuming, falsely, that our chief problem with your case is your personal authenticity. This is a wildly incorrect assumption. Several people believe you to be town as a result of your roleclaim-- your alignment is not the reason that people doubt your case. People doubt your case because they believe you are well-meaning but wrong, or simply not very bright. You getting shot and flipping town will do nothing to help your case, and your absence will deny your case the support it needs to convince anyone. For example, take a look at how I pushed Chez: I clearly laid out all my logic for everyone to see. I answered questions and didn't stonewall. I was open and shared my thoughts-- people, even people who thought I might be scum or thought I was a dick, realized how reasonable and correct my case was, and voted to lynch Chez. You do understand that that's how this game works, right? If you say nothing between now and potentially flipping town you have left us with nothing to work with. No case, nothing that one player could use to convince another player to vote. Stop doing that. Stop closing your mind and feeling like sharing your thoughts is a bad thing. This is why people think you're scum: town should have nothing to hide. | ||
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On March 04 2013 05:55 JungleJorge wrote: Really? Is it so hard for you to conclude RO is mafia, even without me saying anything? It was really easy for me to do so. I'm kinda lazy and I don't want to look into geript huge filter and say for sure he is not scum. I'm not even saying that, although I believe he isn't based on the skimming I've been doing. What I'm saying is that RO is OBVIOUS mafia and his lynch should take priority over everything else. Then it should be very easy to convince us. If you don't write a case, to me you're nothing but a lurker, just one who makes a little more noise. | ||
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I'm super glad I didn't get killed. In any case, it's 100% clear that geript is scum. His so-called attempts to "hunt scum" are thinly-foiled attempts to discredit town. His clear scumminess, protection of promethelax and Chezinu before things looked bad for them both tell us he is scum. He's playing nothing like he played in his town games. I was nice to him during the night because I was hoping he wouldn't shoot me. Geript is scum. Lynch him. Spill his blood. ##vote: Geript. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: Look guys whatever weird bad ideas you have about "let's lynch someone who's not Geript, the scummiest player in the game" need to stop. Vote Geript. Vote him now. spill his bood On March 04 2013 09:15 Blazinghand wrote: DrH you need to stop not lynching Geript also. Lynch the Geript Geript is scum he is scum lynch him lynch him Look, the point is Geript needs to be lynched. We need to lynch him now. He is scum. Lynch him. Every single action he's taken all game has been pushing the scum agenda, including his fake getting mad and his fake hissyfits and talking about scum conspiracies. He is a faker. He is scum. All he does is push scum agenda. He has been given every opportunity to act even a little bit town and he has decided to be scum. He is scum. He has always been scum. Geript is scum. Lynch Geript. You say "But Blazinghand aka Wade Fell I don't think geript is scum" yes you do you think he is scum but you don't want to believe it, you let the emotionality of his play cloud your judgement don't use emotions. use logic. Look at what he's pushed. Look at who he's defended. Look at who he has attacked. Look at his reasoning-- his reasoning, which always, ALWAYS displays a scum mindset. Look at his interactions with me, with VE, with any town player. He is scum. Geript is scum. lynch the geript. By meta and by case and by actions and by mentality geript is scum. Lynch Geript he is scum On March 04 2013 09:17 JungleJorge wrote: BH are you DT or watcher? Tell me so I don't have to read through geript's filter. I am not an investigative role. I am simply the best scumhunter on teamliquid.net. Geript's incessant attacks on town influence, the wording of his arguments (in particular against DrH) and the mindset behind his actions are all indicative of a scum alignment. If you have to read his filter, so be it-- filter-reading is part of the game. Geript is scum and he must be lynched. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Town is perfect so far and geript is pouting. Very telling. yeah also this | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:17 geript wrote: Thanks for wasting my time. I get that you're doing this and think I'm moody but the flip shall reveal the truth as ever it does | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:33 geript wrote: So WF will you answer one question for me: Can you read my mind? You know the answer to that question. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:37 geript wrote: That's not an answer unless you're just being retributive. huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu huehuehuehue hue huehuehuehuehuheuehue | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Honestly scum are fucked just as a numbers game. Even if BH and me were both scum no way could we trench out to lylo This is true. The town investigative roles I'm sure have checked at least one of us by now. I'm surprised scumteam hasn't gged tbh | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:42 JungleJorge wrote: Layabout did you get jailed? I sent my action only to greymist and he is not responding to my questions. I noticed Oatsmaster has posted the day post instead. On March 02 2013 03:27 GreYMisT wrote: I am gone for the weekend. All actions and PMs not submitted to oatsmaster will not happen JJ you are literally bad. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Scum wouldn't make that error Serious rules confusion is a slight towntell yeah which is why if he's scum he's profoundly incompetent BUT it fits with the idea that scum sent their NK to greymist instead of oats On March 04 2013 09:40 geript wrote: Just answer the question WF. hahuhahuhahuhahuhahu | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:51 JungleJorge wrote: I suspect geript will flip town. Voting grush because why not. Seems like a good bet. 1) why do you suspect geript will flip town? 2) you have literally never mentioned grush all game. Please explain, with a case, your vote. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:54 JungleJorge wrote: 1) I've read his filter and reached this conclusion. 2) No. 1) if you think geript is town, you have a responsibility to explain why so that we can avoid a mislynch. 2) then your vote will be wasted, because without a case you cannot possibly hope to stand against my influence. | ||
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On March 04 2013 10:01 JungleJorge wrote: Another thing. Either the scum team forgot to send their actions or vivax is scum. I've been reading his filter and I'm starting to get swayed over the latter. yeah or you're scum and sent your nk to gerymist instead of oats | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:00 geript wrote: So the whole "Go be helpful" into "J/K he's totally scum!!!" is a legitimate attempt to bring out the good in me? Nah dude that's total bullshit and you know it. Look, I never said I didn't think you were scum. I think I was pretty explicit: I have had a scumread on you. That doesn't mean I was totally sure, so I tried to coax you to talk a bit. You talked, I became more sure you were scum, and every horrible shitbad post you make today only confirms it. Everything I said last night is still true now: if you are mislynched, then as a townie you have a responsibility to use your time wisely. I see you have no interest in doing so. I won't pay any more attention to your whining. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:18 geript wrote: As far as I'm concerned getting you lynched is the #1 best use of my time. Barring that I have very little interest in this game. huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue | ||
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If by some stretch of the imagination you flip town, I will peruse your reads, and "cases", the ones you made last night, as well as the other things in your filter, as I do for any flipped townie, in search of the truth. Of course, all this discussion is just academic since you will flip scum. | ||
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I aint letting this lie. On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 1. Never seen BH do a 1, 2 punch in games with worse players You've never seen me lynch scum? Are you serious, your case against me is that I hunt scum? On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 2. Seen BH toy with people's emotions before (myself included) to get them fuck shit up in the thread Student Mafia, N2/D3, Me vs Jaybrundage. I pulled the same stunt. On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: 3. No reason townie reason to play nice then take the hard lynch him with fire approach Yes, I want you to communicate rather than... be who you are. And you communicated clearly: you are scum. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:32 geript wrote: Do you even remember what I flipped last time? I don't think we've played together before. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:38 geript wrote: Not here What like IRL? I don't play mafia except on TL and IRL. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:42 geript wrote: I find that answer highly suspect considering a previous one. If you had some sort of definitive meta proof from another site to back up your case, you'd have already posted it. I believe at this point you are yanking our chains, so simply put: show some evidence or I'll go back to ignoring you. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:48 MilkSuckler wrote: Wade pls, step down again for a bit. Your not helping. I had to defend my honor as an englishman and a scholar! On March 04 2013 13:53 MilkSuckler wrote: Lemme guess U loss ya left nut in a bmx accident trying to ride over barbed wire? Since then.. you constantly trying to keep up testosterone levels.. hence the name 'blazing hand"  *Gasp* Johnny... is that you? | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:58 geript wrote: You sure my half brother from a different mother. Answer me straight up, Can you read my mind? You know the answer to this question. | ||
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On March 04 2013 13:59 MilkSuckler wrote: Yes.. I am Johnny your left nut you left to rot on that barbed wire... the worst part was the morning when the crows came by Yeah I know you had to defend urself, but look, you scared him off.. I was finally getting somewhere He seems to still be around. I'm genuinely interested to find out if I know this guy IRL | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:00 MilkSuckler wrote: You and WF keep trolling is doing nothing to convince others of your innocence.. except apparently Aquanim (who jsut might be in knowledge others do not possess) Please reply to the below... yeah ok I'm gonna stop engaging with him then. | ||
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On March 04 2013 14:19 geript wrote: No Moc, that wasn't his answer. You know what my answer is. | ||
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Also JJ you think geript is not who we should lynch today, and you want to lynch vivax-- all of your case on vivax, in fact everything related to him you've said since the start of the day, has been entirely based on night action speculation, rather than behavioural analysis or meta analysis or associative tells. In fact, you've also intimated that vivax may be the SK. Why, aside from night action speculation, do you think Vivax is scum. Also, why do you think geript is town? If you do not explain your reasoning, nobody will go along with your push-- you must make a case. | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:44 JungleJorge wrote: If I can prove to logic that someone is scum or sk why should I bother making a case? If I'm a claimed watcher and saw someone making a kill must I do it too? Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts. Um, you do understand I'm asking you to make a case, not like paint the sky purple or something like that. Like, you don't have logic, you have night action speculation, and that's not the same thing. If he's really scum you should be able to write a case easily. The fact that RO flipped scum has nothing to do with whether or not you need to write a case. Why do you even play mafia if you don't try to convince people? | ||
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On March 04 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: I also can't picture scum geript being, well, angry for this long. He reads as being really tilted to me, and IMO scum would be more resigned given how the game's gone so far. Also, scum's first instinct is to survive and OMGUSing Wade at this point was basically suicide. I understand why you think that-- and in fact, there is a not-entirely-small part of me that agrees with your sentiment here. After all, would scum really keep up such a facade, be so angry, lash out so desperately and helplessly at me in a way that could only hurt himself? It certainly feels like it could be the hissyfit of a hopeless townie, fueled by anger and fear-- and it falls in line with geript's crazed ravings from earlier. However, that small part of me must be silenced, because it is the part of me that is not rational, but rather, attempts to rationalize. It sees anger and emotion and it feels rather than thinks. It imagines itself cornered and hopeless and lashing out at its attackers desperately and self-destructively. It is seductive. It has a logic all its own, doesn't it? It is wrong. Geript is lashing out, yes, and he is doing so in a profoundly unhelpful way-- abandoning his reads for an omgus rather than writing cases on the scumreads he hashed out the previous night. This is probably the perfect act for scum who finds himself utterly cornered, on par with Prom's disappearance or Chezinu's shenannies. Geript has no tools, no day vigilante shot to wave around, and unlike Prom he is the 4th of 5 scum and cannot afford to go quietly into the night. On the other hand, he must plan for the contingency of his defense, whatever it is, failing, and his final teammate attempting to win alone in the darkness. Whatever he does between now and his flip, he cannot give up associative tells, not when there is only one scum left besides himself. So he feigns anger, but he does it carefully-- no additional information or cases given out, just lashing at the two strongest townies remaining in the game. And geript is no ordinary anger-feigner, he is a skilled technician who works with mental patients-- he can feign anger like no other. This seed of doubt in your heart, it isn't based on geript hunting scum, giving out reads, or being useful or townlike in any fashion, even in mindset. A frustrated townie, even as he dies, tries to push his reads. Even when he OMGUSes, he is still OMGUSing for town. Even when he rages, he rages for the town. Geript is clever, but he must not give anything away with fake scumhunting, not when his teammate has to win the game alone. Don't let emotions cloud your logical judgement. | ||
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Wade Fell
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Now, if I were a town geript, I'd be trying to push my scumreads-- lynching any of them would be preferable to lynching myself. In fact, town geript would be okay with lynching me, or Aqua, or WoS, all of whom he states he has scumreads on. So, when Layabout comes and votes Aquanim, someone who geript has stated quite clearly he has a scumread on, geript does NOT vote for Aquanim. A few hours later, he casts a vote for a different scumread of his, one who does not have any votes, WoS (link). Now, normally I'd think to myself "I guess geript has a stronger scumread on WoS than on Aqua. What a great guy! He's putting his ideal of 'lynch the scummiest scumread' ahead of something like trying to get anyone other than himself lynched". However, geript's votepark on WoS was brief. JJ votes Vivax, and shortly thereafter, despite NOT having vivax as a scumread, (link) and despite EXPLICITLY stating that he reads Vivax as probably town (link) and only possibly third-party, geript votes Vivax, citing associative tell reasons (link). Remember, geript thinks of Vivax as town, possibly third party. That's geript's read. He has scumreads on a guy he's already voted (WoS) and a guy who already has a vote on him (aquanim, been voted by layabout) but isntead votes for someone based on an "Associative case" that he dismissed 72 hours ago when he said the vivax was third-party or town, a guy who he didn't list on his list of scumreads. None of this makes a lick of sense from a town perspective. Associative cases between scum and an SK? Voting for someone who isn't a scumread of yours, and unvoting a scumread of yours to do so? Ignoring a case (and a vote) on one of your top scumreads? None of this lines up at all with how a townie would act given the options available, not a townie who has a third party OR VT read on a guy, not a townie who has the scumreads he researched staying up super late, not sleeping for (link) to hash out, as available targets-- one with a vote on him already. This is a scum player. Geript is scum. lynch him. | ||
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On March 04 2013 20:10 Wade Fell wrote: As a final note, and this must not be ignored: as it became clear his lynch today is unavoidable, geript has stopped trying to lynch his scumreads and is instead doing anything to avoid getting lynched. If we remember, as N2 drew to an end, geript stated (link) his three scumreads were Aqua, WoS, and one of Hassy/RO/DrH with TMM as potential third-party. As D3 dawned and he realized I was truly against him, he decided that I too was scum. Now, if I were a town geript, I'd be trying to push my scumreads-- lynching any of them would be preferable to lynching myself. In fact, town geript would be okay with lynching me, or Aqua, or WoS, all of whom he states he has scumreads on. So, when Layabout comes and votes Aquanim, someone who geript has stated quite clearly he has a scumread on, geript does NOT vote for Aquanim. A few hours later, he casts a vote for a different scumread of his, one who does not have any votes, WoS (link). Now, normally I'd think to myself "I guess geript has a stronger scumread on WoS than on Aqua. What a great guy! He's putting his ideal of 'lynch the scummiest scumread' ahead of something like trying to get anyone other than himself lynched". However, geript's votepark on WoS was brief. JJ votes Vivax, and shortly thereafter, despite NOT having vivax as a scumread, (link) and despite EXPLICITLY stating that he reads Vivax as probably town (link) and only possibly third-party, geript votes Vivax, citing associative tell reasons (link). Remember, geript thinks of Vivax as town, possibly third party. That's geript's read. He has scumreads on a guy he's already voted (WoS) and a guy who already has a vote on him (aquanim, been voted by layabout) but isntead votes for someone based on an "Associative case" that he dismissed 72 hours ago when he said the vivax was third-party or town, a guy who he didn't list on his list of scumreads. None of this makes a lick of sense from a town perspective. Associative cases between scum and an SK? Voting for someone who isn't a scumread of yours, and unvoting a scumread of yours to do so? Ignoring a case (and a vote) on one of your top scumreads? None of this lines up at all with how a townie would act given the options available, not a townie who has a third party OR TOWN read on a guy, not a townie who has the scumreads he researched staying up super late, not sleeping for (link) to hash out, as available targets-- one with a vote on him already. This is a scum player. Geript is scum. lynch him. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 20:28 Aquanim wrote: jeez you had to wait until now to make an actual point. That's a problem. To be honest I had his original suspicions of me as a point in his favour since my play has been frankly pretty shitty and everyone else who thought I was scum I have as probably town. The vote for Vivax is actually really really awful though. A scum Geript would know that though... Follow this logic, and all scummy play is townie play. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 20:30 Wade Fell wrote: Follow this logic, and all scummy play is townie play. As a further note, "scum geript would know that and if he were really scum he'd avoid playing scummy" is playing into the WTHTD pattern (link). Not all wine goblets are equal, and it takes a LOT more assumptions to say that geript is town in light of this evidence than it does to say he's scum. And a lot of those assumptions you have to make to say that geript is town and not scum don't make a whole lot of sense. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 20:46 Aquanim wrote: Assuming randombum is town simply because he's attacking the scummy-looking jcarlsoniv is indeed a pointless association case and that was was in fact the point of my post. If I had an apple for every time someone drew associative tells between unflipped players, and an orange for every time this associative tell was worthless because said players were in fact not flipped, I'd have a fair number of apples and almost as many oranges. Rather more on topic, I've done a pretty stunning takedown of Geript's N2/D3 play earlier on this page. What are your thoughts, MS? | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 20:50 MilkSuckler wrote: I tell you, if aqua and wade fell are scum.. well fucking done. The constant mentor / student association happening here reads with some conviction. Wade Considering Geript refuses to vote for Aquanim (even when Aquanim is under heat) & Aquanim has required coaching (from you  ) to agree on each lynch... What are your current thoughts on a Aquanim as the next Day lynch?When Geript flips scum, my suspicion of Aquanim shoots up greatly. It has been noted that on the toad lynch my efforts to convince him were not in fact very convincing to others-- though I certainly found them convincing. His odd words about lynching for information during D2 are also troubling, as well as his slowness to vote Chez (though he did verbally commit to such a vote early in the day). I have a couple other candidates on my radar as well, as much as they can *be* on a radar-- hassybaby and ObviousOne | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 21:07 Blazinghand wrote: jcarlsoniv is scummy, but not like obviousone or aqua is. He is more suspicious if by some stretch of the imagination geript flips town since he pushed geript yesterday as a counterwagon to chez. In fact, about 60% of the players in this game are scummy for one reason or another. I'll just lynch them one at a time, starting with the scummiest first, until all the scum are gone. On March 04 2013 21:07 MilkSuckler wrote: That went over my head. is this aquanim? Uou mention in this post (link) that giving and recieving coaching is a good scum strat for appearing productive, and would allow a coach (in this case, me), to give out townreads (to aquanim) easily with an ego boost if we were scumbuddies. Typically, I have a highly abrasive style of play and people criticize me for being too brash (as a scumtell) rather than too nurturing (as a scumtell). I was pleasantly surprised to read this. | ||
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On March 04 2013 22:36 MilkSuckler wrote: Im getting tired of this Seriously.. PM the mother fucker and ask if he is "xxxx" .. This side-story is total bullshit to read and is almost worthy of a warning for playing against your win-con (whether town or scum) I'd actually recommend against PMing me, and if you do so I will probably ignore it while we're still in this game. PMs no good. in any case I assume that this, like many other things geript has said, is a fabrication | ||
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Wade Fell
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On March 04 2013 22:42 geript wrote: Ok then, wait for the flip. with pleasure huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue | ||
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