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why are we putting VE as mayor now? When I went to bed last night and work this morning the concensus was drH.
Now we have people trying to put pardoner on a guy we are killing? What the hell?
Pardoner is a role that is borderline useless for either town or mafia to have in this setup. Mafia cannot safely use it due to existence of vigi's and other forms of nk as no bgs protect the role.
There are specific times in which town or third party would benefit from its use. Mafia gains basically 0 fucking benefit.
So stop going with the retard plan of putting prom as pardoner and losing a role that in the case of an act of god can actually benefit town, and stop electing someone whos so bloody random with how they play that you put in someone who was making sense and was far more easy to read.
NOTE: BH is a better call for mayor than VE but drH has performed far above either of them in this given day.
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On February 28 2013 07:28 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote:
Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote? if we kill go ahead with killing prom then switch to ve if not (unless you want to vote for wade) you might as well stay where you are Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:23 layabout wrote:
I think our mayor should have about 12 votes and pardoner 6/7, the votes are a bit too spread out right now since 3 of the 5 people willing to switch came from VE as opposed to wade, if we can't sort this out in the next hour we should just go back to where we were. actually make that 14 and 8 since that leaves less room for error
How about we vote for how competent people have been thus far and not play this odd game of fuck with the voting numbers?
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On February 28 2013 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Fuck it. Do what you want. I'll lynch Promethelax if elected, this I vow.
##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes
and why are people trying to put him into pardoner slot? all we are doing is playing with the vote this late in the day that lets mafia get by scott free in how they vote
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On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2.
VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me.
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On February 28 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't baffle me. Not in the fucking least. This is insidious.
Too many bad experiences with you having auto kill powers. I have no issue with you as pardoner if that helps but I honestly think mayor should be drH or BH
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On February 28 2013 07:35 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:30 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:28 layabout wrote:On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote:
Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote? if we kill go ahead with killing prom then switch to ve if not (unless you want to vote for wade) you might as well stay where you are On February 28 2013 07:23 layabout wrote:
I think our mayor should have about 12 votes and pardoner 6/7, the votes are a bit too spread out right now since 3 of the 5 people willing to switch came from VE as opposed to wade, if we can't sort this out in the next hour we should just go back to where we were. actually make that 14 and 8 since that leaves less room for error How about we vote for how competent people have been thus far and not play this odd game of fuck with the voting numbers? No one was voting Doc.H and i think his reads are pretty meh. Pretty sure VE is town anyway. Plus i want to do pretty simple easy to execute plan for once without inacitves and stubborn "lone wolves" stopping it.
DrH's reads almost fully meshed with my own
as for no one voting for him? He had the support of BH, VE, Himself, and other outspoken players in the game. If he wasn't getting the votes with the core members of the game saying "vote him" it suggests to me mafia don't want him in office, IE HE SHOULD BE IN OFFICE.
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On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess.
Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more.
However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid.
If you were town you would not want this man in office.
Toad is scum / third party
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On February 28 2013 07:42 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party Goddomot Vayesh I know some people have found Toad suspicious but I really want Prome dead ;_;
Prone dies this lynch regardless. I am calling him out now to get shot or lynched tommorrow.
It also gives people perspective on the "should i listen to a suspicious scummy fellow and listen to his idea" or should we listen to people who were reasonable all day. I may have been posting in annoyingish ways but at least I was posting reads and harassing people.
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On February 28 2013 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party I don't want him in office. I have to deal with him being in office though. That's the issue.
Straight up lie. given how many votes have been swapped getting drH or BH into office would have been easily possible. We also have both seen vote swings done in the past that put people into power or into being lynched no one thought would happen in the last few hours / minutes.
if you wanted someone else you would have pushed for it.
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On February 28 2013 07:45 glurio wrote:
So can we consolidate on someone else than VE now?
yes. Vote drH.
pardoner can be one of VE or BH.
Makes life far simpler.
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On February 28 2013 07:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:46 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party I don't want him in office. I have to deal with him being in office though. That's the issue. Straight up lie. given how many votes have been swapped getting drH or BH into office would have been easily possible. We also have both seen vote swings done in the past that put people into power or into being lynched no one thought would happen in the last few hours / minutes. if you wanted someone else you would have pushed for it. I don't really feel like it given that I asked to be replaced out or I'll ragequit this game because of VE. I'm sadly not allowed to do either so again, I'll have to deal with his stupidity and the way I do that is by flaming back everytime he shoots at me and trying to ignore him as much as I can in the meantime. Yeah I know completly ignoring him would be better but it doesn't work that way for me. For references something from 2 (? or 3?) games ago. Talking with syllo (he wasn't in the game): + Show Spoiler +Original Message From syllogism: Okay, I just hope you won't do that when I'm playing =P Show nested quote +Original Message From Toadesstern: because the dude keeps calling me a retard and a liar and I'm fed up with him... can't believe they haven't seen the DT and medic claiming. The medic actually claimed 3 times in the thread ... I'm actually considering to out the medic because there's no way that mafia hasn't seen that at least once. Original Message From syllogism:
Why are you drawing attention to a DT? Perhaps you are assuming mafia reads carefully, but usually if town fails to notice something, mafia certainly will as well.
(I don't know anything about the game, just trying to figure out if you actually have a reason for wanting to out a DT)
-_- so instead you are opting to potentially ruin a game by putting someone you think ruins games (at least for you if your near rage quit level) by putting said person in a position of power where his vote counts more? I honestly do not understand you.
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On February 28 2013 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd like the record to state that Toadesstern is talking about ragequitting because I've been calling him mafia. I have not been attacking him personally, and I've given reasoning for thinking so he's mafia. Whether it's relevant or not is completely irrelevant.
I am aware. You get overzealous and keep at it, but i haven't seen horrible insults or the like from you.
Again. Please don't take anything I've said personally, not trying to be a total dick. I just saw the thread spiraling downwards and had to put my say in to attempt to fix it. I know it may have come off as offensive but I have nothing but respect for you.
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On February 28 2013 07:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, you have nothing but endearment for me. You don't respect me you've made that abundantly clear. But I don't care because I'm right so whatever.
No I fear how your emotions can get the better of you and that crazy ideas take off and acted upon when they shouldnt. I've seen massive improvement from you and trust me when I say that I think you are decent. Its the crazy emotional side that I fear having power of extra votes. I also know when you get heavily stressed your play suffers.
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On February 28 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
If I win this election in spite of last-minute raging, stepping down, and voting for my opponent, I'm going to LOL so hard.
pretty sure its happening lol
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On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear.
geript is scum so fear him you should not
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On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said.
This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia.
I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red.
Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid.
I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture.
I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it.
Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case.
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not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_-
However
Jcarlsoniv
Geript
Junglejorge
Layabout
Hassy
Chez
likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party.
Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party.
Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well.
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Also Aquanim had one of the most fucked up posts i've ever seen for his "death" post.
Why include reads on people you aren't sure about. Put down the ones you think are scum and why. Null tells are fucking useless.
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On March 01 2013 08:59 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:58 VayeshMoru wrote:
Also Aquanim had one of the most fucked up posts i've ever seen for his "death" post.
Why include reads on people you aren't sure about. Put down the ones you think are scum and why. Null tells are fucking useless. Guess that includes me 
you included all players. Slightly annoying but at least it felt like you posting your entire short notes on someone. You didn't cherry pick your null tells.
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Not surprised in the least.
GG town and obs qt please.
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