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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
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Vivax
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geript
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Neither of these two are going to give adequate defenses to make me doubt killing them (Soniv because he's lurky as fuck this game and doesn't contribute, and Geript 'cause he's either being an epic baby or he has an epic plan; either way we find out when he dies), so vigs (Vivax?) one of those two for sure. As for tomorrow we'll see where we stand based on which of them die tonight. Hopefully both.  | ||
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WaveofShadow
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I've been meaning to get to you since yesterday but your filter is always so goddamn wtfhuge. Let's see how tonight goes down first, and if it so happens we're short on scum targets tomorrow it may be worth giving it a go. (This doesn't mean I think you're scum specifically, it just means I have to give your filter a dive 'cause I see a pattern. You're null for me right now.) | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh sorry to ignore your post Mocsta. I've been meaning to get to you since yesterday but your filter is always so goddamn wtfhuge. Let's see how tonight goes down first, and if it so happens we're short on scum targets tomorrow it may be worth giving it a go. (This doesn't mean I think you're scum specifically, it just means I have to give your filter a dive 'cause I see a pattern. You're null for me right now.) If your null on me whatevz, but can you at least do the courtesy and tell me what you dont like in my play. All game, you have tried to sow doubt on me, by asking the opinion of others.. Theres a reason no-one has obliged. If its purely, you think I am playing a similar game as scum; fine, that is your choice. But you have shown no mentality that is common between the games other than statement of opinion. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. Well, how do you think you are perceived.. now that your best bud Chez was split red? (this is written antagonistically intentionally) | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Chaos Bear, the Settler, has been modkilled for not posting since the start of the game.  | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:19 MilkSuckler wrote: If your null on me whatevz, but can you at least do the courtesy and tell me what you dont like in my play. All game, you have tried to sow doubt on me, by asking the opinion of others.. Theres a reason no-one has obliged. If its purely, you think I am playing a similar game as scum; fine, that is your choice. But you have shown no mentality that is common between the games other than statement of opinion. You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all. (Another major reason why I don't want to go through the gargantuan effort of sifting through your filter is because chances are my case will go ignored anyway. I'm not sure if it's Geript's 'newbie factor' or if people think what I post is genuinely not worth addressing or what.) | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, which is why I suggest dropping it for now. You're on my radar after the rest of this shit goes down, that's all. (Another major reason why I don't want to go through the gargantuan effort of sifting through your filter is because chances are my case will go ignored anyway. I'm not sure if it's Geript's 'newbie factor' or if people think what I post is genuinely not worth addressing or what.) I read what you write.. I choose not to reply because: (1) A lot of the time, your comments are directed clearly to one person (2) A lot of the time, your comments are verbose +1's (3) A lot of the time, when you doing original content, I don't agree with it (e.g. me = scum) Now.. in regards to (3).. you have to ask yourself (a) Am I just on the wrong track and being stupid OR (b) Are they misunderstanding my case, because I am not communicating effectively Thats my 2c, but from what I have read from vet-to-vet convo.. most ignore posts from people they think are stupid; or not discussing their prime scum candidates. (i.e. they have more tunneled focus) | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [themed game mafia] + On February 18 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: I rarely place my vote in the first half of the day This game, a few hours into D2 (contrary to his previous statement from another game, but given that activity has been sporadic this isn't evidence that he is scum for the exhibited behavior): + Show Spoiler [early day 2] + On March 01 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Not overcompensating, and I'm sorry that my RL time has been busy? I was only extending the courtesy of keeping you guys informed. I also haven't really done it more or less than any of the other players who have been busy. I know you're disappointed with my play, and I acknowledge that my activity has been...sporadic (and even that's being generous). C'est la vie. + Show Spoiler + But while you waste your time tossing your vote on me, I'm going to try to look for someone who's actually scum. ##vote JungleJorge This case is easy enough started off with his defense and then waffling on the topic of the Prom lynch. I will post them again for easy reference: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. First post: he defends Prom, but also says "I'll let you guys figure out why" ~5 hours later, he realizes that all the candidates are going to kill Prom, and he's been caught with his ass hanging out in defense of the man who will ultimately flip red. He switches to all "hey guys, i was kidding, i was testing him." In the same vein, he, ONCE AGAIN, refrains from expanding upon his thoughts on Macho Man. About 6 hours later, another soft defense of Prome: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:48 JungleJorge wrote: DocH and Wade Fell, you both seem to believe scum Prome wouldn't behave in the way I described, yet you believe Prome is scum. What gives? If you believe it is a null tell and I have reached the correct conclusion, by your own standards, what exactly is the problem here? Wouldn't you be better off taking in the information in regards to the reactions of many players, including the one set to be lynched, and ultimately have a better picture of the situation prior to the lynch so you could make a more informed decision and even after if we end up lynching him? If you believe it produced no meaningful content you can safely ignore it. It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-town when I'm trying to produce information by my own means, yet you both share my conclusion. Also how exactly my withholding information for some amount of time to observe the reactions to my post damages the town in any regard? I've said I'd share the concerns I had with prome's lynch and I did. As it stands right now I believe the best lynch is prome and I'd be foolish to try to persuade town that The Macho Man is a better lynch, if even I don't share that point of view. Yes I do have problems with TMM, but I'll discuss those when the time is appropriate. It's a common mistake by many players to say every single thought that comes to their minds, instead of keeping the focus on what needs to be done. Most of you so far seem to believe I'm some sort of idiot who ought to be dismissed. It's actually a barrier that I'm trying to overcome by making long quality over explanatory posts. I assure you I'm pretty good at this game, you would be surprised to know who you are dealing with. I assure you that if I had my name attached to my posts I would need to right a third as much and would have three times the influence. The rest of his filter is responding to a bunch of posts in order to defend himself. He mentions a few people he think could be scum (Restraining Order, Myself), and the last we heard from him, he's dead set on Aquanim dying. I would love to hear his point of view at this point. Sticking to his read (still getting townie vibes): + Show Spoiler [sticking to his read] + On March 01 2013 11:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ah yes, thank you. Was about to ask for this, I missed this in the clutter, and I was wondering what you meant in your earlier post saying I backtracked. I don't have much else to say about it other than what I've already said, but I can try to expand upon it. My initial gut read on Vayesh was scum, yes. At that point in the day, it was obvious that Prom was being lynched (just had to figure out who would be the one to kill him), so I wanted to try to look elsewhere. I saw Vayesh's posting and it rubbed me the wrong way, but there was admittedly little to go on at the time. I wanted to try to create pressure, so I made the case on him. As he started posting more and I read more, my gut read faded away, and I noted that. I'm not afraid to be wrong, so I took a shot at it. As for Vivax, my position on him hasn't really changed. I did find him a bit scummy at the time, and I still do (although somewhat less so at this point). I was dead set on him being scum in our last game too, and I turned out to be wrong. I said it before and I'll say it again, I was apprehensive of my gut feelings on Vivax for that very reason. @Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. And I may be compelled to follow you just to see a video of you eating your hat. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ. More opposition to Chez lynch (okay the bolded+underlined part is where I start to get worried): + Show Spoiler [further opposition to chez lynch] + On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Morning gents. I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead). Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today. ##unvote ##vote Geript Demonstrating an anti-town attitude about the primary focus for lynch lashing out at WF: + Show Spoiler [bad attitude] + On March 03 2013 08:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth Ominous warning, possible role claim, seems to be upset that we lynched scum and he's been one of the few actually pushing in another direction (well, two that I counted): On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. I am just not seeing how this final post says "It's your funeral" in a town way. Looks more like a threat. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On March 03 2013 09:52 geript wrote: A few points before I intentionally go quiet until whenever it is I end up dead. I'm going to recommend not killing me, it's a waste of town KP; and scum may intentionally heal me to counteract it. You can roleblock me if you want, but I'd rather you protect someone else. If I find anything productive to say then I'll post it then. Odds are though that I'm just going to stay out of discussion entirely as I think that's likely the most productive thing I can do at this point. geript if someone you think is scum makes a post like you just made, would that convince you? Do you think this is a reasonable post for a townie to make? No, I didn't think so either. I suppose the most prudent choice in your position though is to make no posts so that you don't give away any of your teammates. Fair enough. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:30 Blazinghand wrote: geript if someone you think is scum makes a post like you just made, would that convince you? Do you think this is a reasonable post for a townie to make? No, I didn't think so either. I suppose the most prudent choice in your position though is to make no posts so that you don't give away any of your teammates. Fair enough. I don't know why I thought I'd be able to actually smurf effectively when I'm so bad at it. In any case geript I'll check back on the thread regularly throughout the night. I hope you have a change of heart. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 03 2013 10:23 MilkSuckler wrote: Well, how do you think you are perceived.. now that your best bud Chez was split red? (this is written antagonistically intentionally) While I'm sad that my read on Chez was wrong, I'm more than happy that we've gotten 2 scum in a row by D2 - something I'm not sure I've ever personally seen. @ObviousOne: seems to be upset that we lynched scum Could you please show me where you are perceiving that I seem unhappy that we lynched scum? | ||
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