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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 15:43 GMT
#2035
On March 05 2013 00:42 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 00:34 zarepath wrote:
On March 03 2013 09:35 Acrofales wrote:
So yeah. I think the scum is Yamato+Zapa... with a stronger read on Zapa than on Yamato.

Beer is happening after all. I'm in Brazil and everything just gets delayed.


Then why are you voting for Hapa instead of Yamato?

Thank god you're quoting me from before I spent all of sunday reading their filters and the game about 3 times. How long is it going to take you to catch up on those last 10 pages of the thread?


Fair enough. I went back so far and pulled quotes of everything I thought was weird, and many of those things apparently no longer apply. Sorry.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 15:46 GMT
#2036
On March 04 2013 11:23 yamato77 wrote:
Adam hard-defending Hapa here real sketch

Real. Sketch.


That assumes Adam bused Keirathi Day 1, and that Hapa is scum. This is like a train of association cases, and you'd think Adam would be the closest thing we have right now to a confirmed town.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 15:52 GMT
#2038
On March 05 2013 00:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
We'll let the flip talk Zare, whether it's Yamato or Hapa.


What does that even mean? We shouldn't bother breaking down our arguments to make sure they're rigorous before we lynch someone; we should just lynch someone and see if we were right?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:15 GMT
#2044
On February 27 2013 03:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway, I need to stop defending Adam and let him speak for himself. That being said, this situation screams like a stupid emotional decision rather than a sinister mafia plan.

Interested to see Kei's reads. Have only seen his views on Thrawn and Adam so far.


How is this guy not town?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:20 GMT
#2046
Hapa's first response from the Keirathi flip is an immensely helpful analysis of the entire situation, provides reads on everyone, and gives clarification and direction to town. It's incredibly pro-town. I'm going through his filter again and just don't see a scum read on him.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 28 2013 15:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Arg got swamped with more schoolwork today. Fortunately I'm done with class for the week tomorrow afternoon, so I'll be much more available after then.



Reads

So to state the obvious, Adam is very unlikely mafia. It would make virtually no sense for Adam, a scumplayer known for his passivity, to jump in and risk himself in a duel to bus his scumbuddy. Knowing the allignments of both players on the block yesterday, we should be able to narrow down some of our suspicions based on how votes paned out.

(Even if some people think Adam is a 3rd party, it's effectively the same thing from a mafia perspective.)



People Who Voted Adam (Sylencia +Dienosaur)

They've played almost identically so far: they've done a whole lot of nothing in the early game, then plopped an early vote on Adam at the beginning of the voting cycle, then proceeded to do much of nothing until now.

They're both lurkers who haven't made any significant commitments and had their vote in awful places. I want both of them to duel tomorrow, and I'd push for a double-lynch unless I get convinced that one of them is town.



The "Double-Lynch" Voters (iamperfection + Acro + Thrawn)

iamperfection is active and behaving to his townie persona (as I previously mentioned). Acro is the most active player in the game so far and hasn't been afraid to take the town leadership position. Slightly offputting from his filter is his 3rd party read on Adam (which I think is nonsense), however that's certainly not a reason to lynch him at this stage.

Something about Thrawn is off, and I think he's a likely 3rd party. While he was one of the earlier votes on Kei, when push came to shove, he voted for the double-lynch. While that isn't bad in itself, what's most concerning is how and why he did so.

First of all, the timing at which he switched to a double-lynch is remarkably convenient. The votecount was 4-2 in favor of Adam, and zaperath + Snarfs JUST voted for Kei, swinging the momentum of the lynch. At this point, Thrawn immediately latches onto the idea of double-lynching very strongly. It reads a lot like he's seizing the opportunity to do collateral damage, when you consider some of the rationale for his switch.

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On February 28 2013 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
if we kill adam too, nobody will dare to shoot early from now on

his desire to duel seems to have some sort of win-con type motivation. it's not like he and keir were really going at each other at the time. keir was not pushing adam veyy hard. adam volunteered to duel keir in my place... way before enough people had commented on the original idea of thrawn vs keir

if you look at the circumstances, the motivation for a townie to do what he did doesn't seem to be there.

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On February 28 2013 02:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
why should lynch adam

-we're in a closed 15 player setup. it's a little expected that there might be a third party. i've personally seen people lynch 3p reads and they flip 3p

-you can't be too certain that keir is scum. if keir flips town, the thread will probably waste time on adam until he eventually gets lynched at some point later on

-this is an excellent example of a time when you actually need to policy lynch just to keep games playable. imagine if this happens again? every day? you've been bitching about how shitty the lynch is, so here is you chance to put a stop to it


He suddenly becomes very very convinced that Adam is a 3rd party in the first quote. This is just a feel for him from our history together, but I just can't see town-Thrawn having such high confidence in a 3rd party read. I haven't seen anything of the sort in the past games I've played with him.

The second quote is also very notable for two reasons:
1) he starts setup-speculating and just sounds a lot less confident that Adam is 3rd party.
2) He's justifying lynching Adam because he "can't be too certain" that Kei is scum. Yet he had been pushing the idea aggressively .

Combined with his inactive start, there's something just... off about Thrawn. I think Thrawn is a possible mafia that bussed Kei, but is more likely a 3rd party.



People who only voted Kei (Snarfs + zarepath + Alderan)

For Snarfs + Zarapeth, of these guys voted only voted Kei, and did so at a time that seemed to swing the momentum onto Kei's bandwagon. Both of their filters are pretty "meh," but I can't find anything overtly scummy there, and their voting actions (and timing) suggest a townie motivation.

For Alderan, there's nothing really conclusive in his filter since he was pretty clear that he thought both people on the block were town. His attitude is consistent, and I sympathise with it having initially been in the same situation to some extent. Also, I got some town vibes from his huge fight with Acro about not wanting to double-lynch. I'd expect mafia to not be as adamant against the idea.

Point is, none of them should be a priority for tomorrow.



People who SWITCHED from Adam to Kei (Yamato + Oatsmaster + Corazon)

Here's where it gets interesting.

Yamato... I had initially labeled him as very town due to his early-game aggression, but his activity died off in recent days. In addition, he's more than capable of being an aggressive dick as mafia (from my experience in British Mini Mafia).
He starts off the day all aboard the Adam train while defending Kei:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=35#685

He maintains that Kei is town throughout the day. With Adam, he reverses course later in the day. The thing is that the reasoning with which he switches off Adam is so paltry in comparison to why he thought Adam was scum (see link above). These are the standouts:
Show nested quote +
Based on the complete uselessness of both parties involved in this lynch, Adam and Keirathi, I think the likelihood of them both being town is high. Mafia in this position would be more concerned with the possibility of being lynched here, and do something about it. Neither of these players seems to be trying particularly hard to live, so by default they're probably just town.

Show nested quote +
Adam's play is mafia-favored, and his likelihood of doing this again is high, so if we're strictly talking about lynching people who are playing anti-town, he is the obvious favorite.
...
Adam's play since calling for the duel is quite terrible. All he's done is excuse and defend his decision, he really hasn't added to town's efforts in any meaningful way. While I do think his defensiveness is a little weird, the overall tone of his posts and his mentality seems townish. He's not overly concerned with being lynched for this, so it's a decent sign he might not be mafia.


So in Yamato's world, Adam is playing to mafia objectives, but he all of a sudden drops suspicion because Adam's posts now seem "townish." Compare this again to his initial "outline" of suspicion on Adam:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=35#685

Within an hour of dropping his suspicions on Adam, he's immediately onto Kei:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 05:00 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Keirathi

Someone with balls make sure this doesn't end in a double lynch. I have to go to work.


Yamato's actions come across as very convenient, however I can see a town Yamato doing what he did. The town Yamato I've seen in his newbie games and Mafia LVIII is very spazzy and aggressive, and is capable of his sudden turn in attitudes about Adam. I'll be interested in what he has to say tomorrow.

Oatsmaster seems townie due to his activity and his thought-process during the duel proceedings. He seems to care a lot about scumhunting... and well... just thinks a lot like a townie. Hard to put my finger on it, but it seems very genuine. That, and him being suspicious of marv in the early game against pretty much everyone else doesn't seem like a scum move to me.

Corazon
Pretty simple. Starts the day off on Adam:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=38#747

Then spends a lot of time going after Syl. What's notable, is that Corazon really never bothers to analyze Kei's filter. His attitude on Kei is one of neutrality and hesitation:
Show nested quote +
I'm not convinced enough on Kei to see him die now. I was only ok with him dueling if it was because Thrawn picked him. I see a lot more scum motivation behind Adam's rashness. The fact that the votes already given out so far are all around the board mean that the chances of a scum being here is pretty high. I hate heroes anyways.


Eventually when opinions of the town start to shift, Corazon arrives at the idea that both Adam and Kei are town... due to Sylencia's vote on Adam?!?!?!?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=48#956

He argues that Sylencia being non-committal makes both of them not scum, which makes zero sense. It's not scumhunting, it's a complete cop-out from doing any analysis

Then shortly after, there's his vote post:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 05:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Oh I read Yamato's post as 2 people...

Fuck it, I'm tired of sitting here and posturing for the next day. If Kei flips town I just know my agenda is going to be set back for a really long time...but I refuse to see a double lynch.

##unvote
##Vote: Kei


Why would a townie care about "posturing" for tomorrow? A townie wants to hunt and kill scum. I don't think he's talking about "posturing" of other townies either, since he mentions an agenda. This also makes no sense - why would Kei flipping town set back his agenda of lynching Syl? In fact Kei flipping town would seemingly confirm his theory that Syl's indecision = both Adam/Kei are town.

So Corazon's actions line up with mafia objectives, and his switch onto Kei is very suspect. He never gives a strong opinion on Kei, and his vote-post is nonsensical.


"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:22 GMT
#2047
And then he says, "Hey guys, let's do Dieno/Sylencia! If you had to put a gun to my head, I'd duel Dieno!" I mean, Hapa was completely right on both scum, and before others joined in.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 28 2013 15:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 15:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, who do you want to be in a duel and how do you propose to do it? and who would you duel yourself?


My full proposition for tomorrow is this:
I'd like Dieno and Sylencia to duel, unless one of them starts showing some significant townieness. I'd also like to double-lynch 'em by default and leave it up to them to prove that they're town individually. If one of them does, I'd add Corazon to the list.

As for HOW we should go about that, well you can only start by asking nicely. If that doesn't work, we can probably force one of them to duel the other by threatening to have Adam duel one of them (which is basically a vigi-shot given that there's no sane way that Adam's scum).

As for who I'd duel myself, I wouldn't duel period. I think my voting actions speak for themselves yesterday. I get that I'm less active than usual, but it should be obvious that I'm playing to town objectives. Nor do I get the sense that there's any support for me dueling tomorrow (besides iamp anyway).

If you're asking for a top scumread - it's hard to differentiate between Dieno/Sylencia since they've both played nearly identical games. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say Dieno on the basis that Sylencia has a history of being lurky as town in some of his newbie games, whereas Dieno's town performance in CT was pretty darn active.



But you want to tell me that he is MORE scummy than the very last vote on Keirathi and a guy who insta-duels D3 without allowing a defense?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:35 GMT
#2049
He's been suspicious of yamato ever since the end of Duel 1, is recently suspicious of me (Zarepath), keeps going back to check Snarfs' filter... he's given reads on a lot more people than you have, that's for sure.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:41 GMT
#2051
Look at Yamato's filter and tell me it's any different. Marv and Acro are the scummiest people yet, and then they end up with null reads. Just look at his Duel 1 voting, for crying out loud -- back and forth on Adam and Keirathi depending upon thread sentiment.

Calling someone into question and then deciding they're not scum isn't any kind of scum tell that I know of.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:46 GMT
#2052
The only thing that I think is really in Hapa's favor for being scum is the fact that I have a hard time imagining scum that want to be involved in any duel at all day 3 after losing two members in the first two days, which would suggest that Yamato is unlikely to be scum (if you were to only look at that piece of evidence). Hapa is the only person in this duel who didn't want to be in it.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 16:51 GMT
#2054
On March 05 2013 01:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 01:41 zarepath wrote:
Look at Yamato's filter and tell me it's any different. Marv and Acro are the scummiest people yet, and then they end up with null reads. Just look at his Duel 1 voting, for crying out loud -- back and forth on Adam and Keirathi depending upon thread sentiment.

Calling someone into question and then deciding they're not scum isn't any kind of scum tell that I know of.


It's not what Hapa did that made it look scummy, it's how he did. He literally starts to pressure Thrawn and Iamp and then suddenly 180s on them based on 1 comment. That doesn't look scummy?


On February 25 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote:
I'm bored with you, Cora.

You're probably not mafia anyway.


On March 04 2013 09:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well Yamato's well-reasoned defense and Acro's post have convinced me that I still need time to think about this decision:

##unvote


There are far scummier things than changing your mind, and there are few townier things than lynching scum.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 17:10 GMT
#2059
I honestly don't know how important post count is for meta reads; I've mostly played in newbies and there's not really a meta worth looking at there. But Acro, is meta your only argument here?

And you shouldn't argue for/against arguments based on who agrees with them, but based on their own merits. The fact I am arguing for something hardly means that it's necessarily false.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 17:35 GMT
#2063
Well, at least two of your reads are wrong because I'm not scum. Going by elimination relies on too many assumptions.

Hapa being scum just because you've decided so many other people are/aren't scum is pretty suspect reasoning, imo.

The point you made about his stance on Thrawn is certainly a thing, but just as easily as I can imagine a scum Hapa deciding Thrawn is town as soon as the scum team decides to kill him, I can imagine scum staying the heck away from their night target completely. You've raised points that are based on hypotheticals.

How do you get a stronger town read off of Alderan from the Dieno flip than you do Hapa?
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 17:36 GMT
#2064
EBWOP: I see now that Alderan was pushing Dieno lynch before the duel.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 19:13 GMT
#2069
On March 05 2013 03:51 Snarfs wrote:
Him and zare were, I believe, the only two players to attempt to call me out and use my low activity as a weapon against me despite the fact that as acro, Adam and Yamato have noticed, I am actually invested in this game.


I'm pretty sure the only thing I said was for people to make sure to not forget about you even though you hadn't posted for a while, which is plenty worthwhile to call out (like 8 people have done it since I went AFK). I'd hardly characterize that as using it as a weapon against you; I don't have a scum read on you and haven't presented one.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 19:31 GMT
#2072
Is it anti-town to say "hey this guy hasn't posted for a while?" I was just headed out of the thread and it occurred to me you were below radar. I don't see a problem with calling that out. Since then, with more time to read the thread and individual filters, you don't look scummy to me.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 19:48 GMT
#2074
Uh, I pushed for the Keirathi lynch... who on Day 1 did I call anti-town that was "the town guy?"
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 19:50 GMT
#2075
This is from my filter, and I think you should read it if you really want to know why I'm voting for you. If you just want to insinuate that I really don't care, you can just ignore it a second time.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 05 2013 00:42 zarepath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was an easy decision to make.

Why didnt you wait for hapa to respond?


This is the crux of my problem with Yamato. Someone called him out for being all talk and no walk, and as if he's mostly concerned with his appearance, he talks up a lynch target and then duels them immediately without leaving any time for discussion (or defense).

If you look at Yamato's filter, he himself brings up a deluge of reasons why this is incredibly anti-town when he first criticizes Adam for doing it (and then he votes Adam, only switching onto Keirathi to be the hammer).

And in the middle of Day 1, Yamato tries to blame Iamp for confusing everything, and around Day 2 he wanted to duel Syl (not set up the Dieno/Syl lynch that town had pretty much agreed on).

Yamato also promised reads on everyone, and ends up only giving an easy read that doesn't contribute to the town environment very much (Snarfs town) and then Zarepath=scum (and only after someone asking him specifically to do a read on me). For Yamato to redeem himself in my eyes, I would want to see his reads on every single player, as he promised a while ago, not simply individual reads in response to town ... I mean, how easy is it to sheep when you only have to post reads on the people others want you to? Where's the originality in thought there?

He's also already martyring himself, saying he "doesn't care" if he gets lynched as long as it helps people like Adam learn to play better. If he's town, he should care a lot, especially because he was apparently so confident in his scum read that he DUELED HIM WITHOUT WAITING FOR A RESPONSE. He should be more concerned with persuading others that Hapa is scum than with persuading others that they shouldn't lynch him.

##Vote Yamato

P.S. - Cora, I saw where you switched gears on yamato, but I didn't see anywhere where you specifically answered my question about how you reconcile Hapa's defense of Adam and early vote on Keir. I think if you're going to base your case almost entirely on the reputation of dead townies, I'm just trying to get you to think more about the ramifications of your read, and I think you really should consider that point if you're serious about your vote. It's a pretty strong town tell in retrospect after considering the Keirathi flip.


"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 20:00 GMT
#2078
On February 26 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:
Honestly, I want to see Keir hang. Someone make it happen.


On February 26 2013 17:34 yamato77 wrote:
What I fail to see the town motivation in here is Adam wanting to cut off all discussion about the read in general. Keir's last point he made was actually a salient one, that Adam professing his own towniness over his actions is a scummy thing to do. I really don't want to lynch him now that I understand his thought process about this read, because while I initially disagreed, it seems more likely now that this might be the case.

I don't think a town Adam has as little forethought as to make a decision like this one and duel someone on a whim. While I proclaimed that I would duel my scum reads, I never intended to do so unless I felt like it was necessary to secure a lynch, which is not how I think the situation was playing out today, lest I would have done so myself. This action is quite anti-town.

However, it does make a lot of sense if Adam is mafia, because this has pro-mafia written all over it. Over-aggressive, OMGUS, and discussion haltering in nature. Also, while he's putting himself on the line, he's doing so IN LINE WITH THREAD SENTIMENT, which was that Keirathi was mafia, and Adam was the town. Just like in Nomination, mafia are wont to do things that seem risky and townie, so long as the real risk is low.

The only reason I honestly thought Adam was town before this was because his mafia reputation is super easy to catch and lurky as fuck. I don't know how to read him now, but I think he's a better lynch than Keir, simply for the act of dueling him right now. If he's town, it was a colossally stupid thing to do, and it doesn't make me any more convinced that Keir is mafia, nor has he done a whole lot of in-depth analysis to prove this point.

##Vote: Adam


On February 27 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
So let me break the game down here, because I have a decent idea of what's going on.

Based on the complete uselessness of both parties involved in this lynch, Adam and Keirathi, I think the likelihood of them both being town is high.


On February 27 2013 16:44 yamato77 wrote:
So who is doing this? Iamperfection. ... Hilariously scummy.


On February 28 2013 05:00 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Keirathi

Someone with balls make sure this doesn't end in a double lynch. I have to go to work.


On Day 1 you accused at least TWO different players (one confirmed town, the other essentially confirmed town) as being scum. You also switched from Adam to Keirathi, JUST LIKE I DID (and you're criticizing me for it?), except that you switched WAY later, after Keirathi was 2 votes short of a lynch. So basically everything you are criticizing me for, you did it more and scummier.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 20:03 GMT
#2079
On March 05 2013 04:55 yamato77 wrote:
You want the guy who has been doing analysis and list posts if his reads the whole game to spell all of them out in lengthy cases for you, and that's why you're voting for me?

Lol. Scum.


Uh, I just want you to do what you said:

On March 02 2013 18:37 yamato77 wrote:
Tomorrow, before the deadline and after, I will be dropping my reads on the players left in the game.


On March 03 2013 04:26 yamato77 wrote:
Looks like that is about 8.5 hours away

In that time, I will build my case on Hapa and provide an analysed read of everyone in the game


I didn't realize that Snarfs and me were literally "everyone in the game." Your next two posts after your reads on Snarfs and me were "here's my case on Hapa" and "##Duel: Hapa."
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 04 2013 20:04 GMT
#2080
It looks like you really actually only care about three reads in total, and that's your town read on Snarfs, the least-contributing player who is consensus town, your scum read on Hapa, who you had full intention to duel, and your scum read on me, which you only provided because someone specifically asked for it.
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