This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 6

On February 27 2013 11:45 Acrofales wrote:


This case doesn't convince me of Keirathi's scumminess. Partially because you are reading Keirathi's posts rather differently from the way I read them and partially because some of the things you bring up aren't scumtells.

I do not trust your judgement with regards to Keirathi at the moment, and with Dieno out of the picture for now, that leaves 0 other people you have seriously commented on. You've given brief town reads on some players, but that is about it.

I'm still trying to make up my mind what to do about you. Quite a few people have said that they think that your premature duel could be because you were a triggerhappy townie. Reading your filter again, I can see how they reach that conclusion. However, townies own up to their mistakes. It's clear you realize it was not a good move from a town point of view:


Yet we have, just half an hour earlier:


Are you maybe a 3rd party?

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Regarding Keirathi, I'm waiting for his promised activity before I proceed on him.

On February 27 2013 22:14 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I read through Keir's filter. Here are the three main points I find:

1. He enters the thread with a post that does absolutely nothing beside announce his presence. He is, however, not present, because his next post is > 15 hours later. At the time it got my alarm bells ringing, but unless Keir's scumplay went completely down the shitter since GSL Open, all we can conclude from that is that he made a stupid opening post and then buggered off without ever contributing.

2. His pressure on Thrawn seems quite okay. Then again, Thrawn was pretty easy pickings. What I get from GSL Open is that scum Keirathi makes sensible cases on low-hanging fruits (Risen that game, on D1, in a similar situation to Thrawn here, if I understood what I read correctly). However, he is never around to scumhunt or update his read, so I have no clue whether he is trying to actually figure thrawn out, or just push a target for the sake of pushing.

3. His Adam read is the only really novel thing he has contributed to the thread. This was after Marv and I had both said Adam seemed to be null, leaning town (at the time, don't rip this quote out of context). However, he says that this wasn't a scumread on Adam, just calling him out on something he didn't like and trying to get a discussion going. The main question is: was this just throwing out a test balloon, or was he actively trying to figure out Adam's alignment? We'll never know because the conversation was cut short and Keirathi is too inactive to tell.

As you can see, his inactivity completely prohibits me from drawing any conclusions about what he has done. However, what makes him scum is what he hasn't done.

So far the wishy washy both sides bit where I explain how his inactivity is screwing with my reads. The BEST indicator of scum Keirathi is the inactivity himself. There are 3 players who have played repeatedly with Keir: Iamp, Hapa and Marv.

Keir has played about a billion town games between GSL Open and now. I can imagine it must be really scary to be scum for the first time in ages and playing with 3 players who are very familiar with your playstyle. Intimidated, and maybe short on time, he is simply not posting his reads like he would as a townie.

I will call it the Sandroba defense, because Sandroba did the exact same thing in CT: rather than try to play the game, even when he was at risk of being lynched, he just disappeared out of the game. In that game, I wanted to give Sandroba the benefit of the doubt, because I argued inactivity, in and of itself, is not a scumtell. I was wrong. I learned my mistake. Keirathi signed up for the game, he has played plenty of games to know what is the time commitment required. He is simply not motivated to post. That makes him scum.

Kill it with fire. Kill them both with fire! Vote for the double lynch

On February 28 2013 01:44 Acrofales wrote:


Oh, dafuq. What is it with you people and your lack of reading comprehension

Adam is an evil 3P who cares jack shit about the wellbeing of this town
Keirathi is evil scum who needs to die

Both must die. I will duel the next person who asks for my reads on adam and keir, because I hereby declare a policy lynch on people not reading the thread.

On February 28 2013 04:26 Acrofales wrote:

I don't care that there's not enough proof for YOU to want them both dead. There's enough proof for ME to want them both dead, and it's my vote.

On February 28 2013 03:25 Acrofales wrote:

No I don't. We're cruising for a double lynch. I don't need to persuade anybody at the moment.

On February 28 2013 05:18 Acrofales wrote:
Cora and everybody else: at least read, and comment on:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17894996
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17895445

Before throwing your vote onto Keir. If you have questions, I am here.

On February 28 2013 20:23 Acrofales wrote:
@Hapa: I agree with some of your reads and disagree with others, when I finish filtering I will decide what that entails. However, for the moment, what is Thrawn the 3P's wincon? You can't just posit that he's a 3P because he wanted multiple people dead, out of the blue. Why does that fit with a survivor wincon? Where is the KP from an SK? You have to explain how that works, because I just don't see it.

You state that me suggesting there's a 3P in Adam is bad play or scummy: what does offputting mean in that sentence?

Yet 5 lines down you are doing it yourself for thrawn. Explain.

On March 01 2013 01:20 The Macho Man wrote:

i was completly ok with double lynch as well so i dont really see a problem

we should only worry about acro at endgame imo. He has shown no scum traits he is active he cares about the lynch that is not scummy and there is no way he should be the candidate tomorrow.

On March 01 2013 01:23 Acrofales wrote:

Oh, I really did. Toward the end there's no way I would have accepted an Adam only lynch. Keirathi only was okay, but I clearly cared enough to incessantly push for my own read, which was kill both a scum AND a third party.

On March 01 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
This is a difference in opinion and that does not make Acro scummy in anyway.

On March 01 2013 01:34 zarepath wrote:
Who are the unreadable newbies you're discussing -- Syl and Dieno? Or are you saying that this whole game is full of unreadable newbies and therefore a waste of time or something? There's some context I'm missing.

@yamato

On March 01 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah but Acro is not keirathi.

Do you think that dueling acro after the night is over will result in anything other than you getting insta hammered after seeing this reaction?

On March 01 2013 01:38 Alderan wrote:


It seems too obvious. Me and Acro fought about the double lynch for fucking 60 hours. Would he push that hard if he was scum?

And for clarification, my read Acro is leaning mafia, but I think Dieno is more clearly scum.

On March 01 2013 01:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
how about we all insta duel right at deadline and see who cares enough to show up ........

yamato there is no point in insta-dueling, especially considering how we have yet to hear from dieno at all

so instead of being an asshole about it you should try to convince people that acro is scum