This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 5

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 17:45 GMT

#1374

On March 01 2013 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Useless posts everywhere.
WHY DID YOU POST THAT ZAREPATH.

Because if you actually wanted his legit opinions on it, you wouldn't use a loaded question. You were giving him a chance to look pro-town by agreeing with your summation.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 17:46 GMT

#1375

EBWOP: Whether scum-motivated or not (I dont' have a scum read on you), you shouldn't give suspected scum easy loaded questions like that to answer if you really want to get valuable info out of them, imo. It's a little thing but you asked why I posted it, so there you go.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 17:47 GMT

#1376

On March 01 2013 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
He wants to lynch Acro at the crack of dawn.

Why were you so excited for Adam to do this, but totally against Yamato doing it?

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 17:54 GMT

#1379

Oats likes to be surprised of stupidity, not forewarned of it.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 19:26 GMT

#1388

Maybe we should slow down on the night town reads

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 19:39 GMT

#1392

Before you go off and do that, I really want to see Sylencia and Dieno's thoughts about dueling each other. Surely one of them think the other is scummy, right?

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 19:49 GMT

#1397

In this game, I consider being the fastest gun in the west to also be the stupidest gun in the west.

Consider: YOU are sure about Dieno, but others aren't as sure. I feel more sure about there being at least 1 scum among Syl/Dieno than I do about either of them being scum, and everyone forcing them to argue against each other provides FAR more information than YOU going against Dieno.

If you quick-draw on Dieno, we lynch him and he flips bad townie, mafia gets another kill off and we're left wondering if Syl was scum or not and whether we should look into the double-lynchers or the Keir voters for the bus.

If we pit Dieno and Syl, we likely get all day to wait before one of them finally duels each other (giving us plenty of time to react to the night kill and speculate and build cases, etc.), and then we get a pretty good idea about BOTH of their alignments in the duel.

No offense, but you and Yamato are not very high on my priority list for who we need more information on.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 20:26 GMT

#1415

Also pay attention to how many times he talks about how friendly he is in the first day.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

February 28 2013 21:02 GMT

#1435

I want to hear who Sylencia and Dieno think are scum before anybody duels anybody else. We have a full 24 hours that we can wait for their responses. They have gotten away for too long with saying too little, regardless of alignment.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 01 2013 00:01 GMT

#1501

I'm just popping in to say that I have a busy night and won't be able to check up on things much. But I'm encouraged that Syl and Dieno are here, and reiterate that I would love to see a list of their scum/town reads and who they'd prefer or not prefer to duel.

Thanks everyone for holding off on early-day duels, and nobody forget about Snarfs.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 01 2013 22:00 GMT

#1647

Hhonestly guys, I haven't had time today to keep up on the thread. I see a really easy Dieno lynch, and before the duel that would have been my inclination, but now I kind of want to double lynch just to be sure. Part of me says that we can't afford the potential double-mislynch, but even then we'd know exactly who to look at from there. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 02 2013 14:01 GMT

#1796

On March 02 2013 21:36 Acrofales wrote:

Show nested quote +

The same points were brought up by Adam... like 48 hours ago. Why didn't you read them then? Yamato's response is not very adequate either (it explains his flip on Adam, but not on Keir). However, far more telling is that he

Anyway, @Adam, I am scum for wanting Keirathi dead for a terrible opening and hard defending Dieno. If I were scum, there is no way this makes sense:

My D1 choice to bus was the experienced Keirathi, rather than the complete newbie Dieno. Why would I not do that the other way round if I had to choose one (which you seem to think I did, because 2 busses was too much).

Anyway, if being wrong D1 is a scumtell, it's looking pretty terrible for Marv:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17881123
Hard defending Keirathi's play and only a slight scumtell on Dieno.

I was wrong about Dieno. I was probably also wrong about Thrawn. Am I scum for having wrong D1 reads?

I am probably also wrong about Hapa, but I'm not really convinced yet. Hapa is a good town player who pushes his reads. This game he has thrown them out into the thread and done nothing with them. He is also good enough scum to throw people under a bus when it seems necessary. He does this N0 to dieno and D1 to Keir. If you think he was pushing the Keir lynch, how is this:

Show nested quote +

Pushing the Keir lynch?

But Hapa nor Yamato are my strongest scumreads. Please take a look at Zare and tell me you don't think that is scum?

I pushed the Keir lynch harder than anybody at the end, and I helped talk Thrawn/Hapa off the edge when they were intent on dueling people immediately, and was all for a Dieno/Syl duel. It's true I haven't been very active (I'm actually just about to leave for most of the day again), but the things i've done while I've been here all end up leading to scum being lynched.

Sorry for my inactivity, I know it hurts town, but seriously, everything I HAVE done has led (or attempted to lead) to scum lynches.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 03 2013 13:48 GMT

#1886

Oh wow

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 13:46 GMT

#2018

Hi all,

I can understand people calling for my head based on the fact I've been AFK since Thursday, and I'm sorry for that. Friday was much busier than I anticipated, and then I just had family stuff going on all weekend. I'm going to go back and re-read everything from Friday on and have more of a thread presence today than previously.

I've seen mentions that my Day 2 participation was super scummy -- I believe I made a single post saying we should be careful because the Dieno lynch looked super easy, and suggested we should look more at a double-lynch, and I can see how that would look scummy while it's the only post I made for the day.

As far as this duel goes, I think Yamato's jumping the gun seems like a very anti-town thing to do, but two main things worry me about this:

1) When I read his filter the other day, he said something on Day 1 like "Keirathi needs to die; he needs to die now; somebody kill him please." So even though he did move to Adam and then switched at the last second to Keirathi because everybody else was (after deciding they were both town), we put unnecessary pressure on Keirathi way before he was up for lynch (unnecessary if he's scum).

2) He's outright stated he no longer thinks the other guy he's dueling is scum. I really doubt that scum would do that, and calling for your own lynch in order to save a townie life seems, uh, dumb for scum.

So honestly the question is now even though yamato is convinced that Hapa isn't scum, how convinced are WE that Hapa isn't scum? He wasn't one of my scum reads on Thursday/Friday and probably won't be now, but I will look at that as I read back through the thread, since priority 1 for me is getting any input in on this Duel that I can before the deadline's reached.

Then I'll share my own reads.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 13:47 GMT

#2019

EBWOP: *He put unnecessary pressure on Keirathi way before he was up for lynch (Yamato).

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 13:49 GMT

#2020

EBWOP: Holy crap, I misread a bunch of stuff and apparently Yamato doesn't think that ACRO's mafia. Let me get back to you guys after I re-read.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 15:01 GMT

#2025

I'm about ten pages away from being totally caught up, but that was the definition of a sheep case, Cora. When you're not quoting yourself for a case, you're quoting the dead... I'm going to see if you had any original thoughts about Hapa before this post.

How do you reconcile your vote with the fact that Hapa was the first person to defend Adam on Duel 1, and one of the first to vote Keirathi?

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 15:09 GMT

#2027

Um read my post I'm still 7 pages away from being caught up. I really hope you answer my question in those 7 pages or else this is going to look like a dodge from you.

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 15:34 GMT

#2031

On March 03 2013 09:35 Acrofales wrote:
So yeah. I think the scum is Yamato+Zapa... with a stronger read on Zapa than on Yamato.

Beer is happening after all. I'm in Brazil and everything just gets delayed.

Then why are you voting for Hapa instead of Yamato?

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

March 04 2013 15:42 GMT

#2034

On March 03 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was an easy decision to make.

Why didnt you wait for hapa to respond?

This is the crux of my problem with Yamato. Someone called him out for being all talk and no walk, and as if he's mostly concerned with his appearance, he talks up a lynch target and then duels them immediately without leaving any time for discussion (or defense).

If you look at Yamato's filter, he himself brings up a deluge of reasons why this is incredibly anti-town when he first criticizes Adam for doing it (and then he votes Adam, only switching onto Keirathi to be the hammer).

And in the middle of Day 1, Yamato tries to blame Iamp for confusing everything, and around Day 2 he wanted to duel Syl (not set up the Dieno/Syl lynch that town had pretty much agreed on).

Yamato also promised reads on everyone, and ends up only giving an easy read that doesn't contribute to the town environment very much (Snarfs town) and then Zarepath=scum (and only after someone asking him specifically to do a read on me). For Yamato to redeem himself in my eyes, I would want to see his reads on every single player, as he promised a while ago, not simply individual reads in response to town ... I mean, how easy is it to sheep when you only have to post reads on the people others want you to? Where's the originality in thought there?

He's also already martyring himself, saying he "doesn't care" if he gets lynched as long as it helps people like Adam learn to play better. If he's town, he should care a lot, especially because he was apparently so confident in his scum read that he DUELED HIM WITHOUT WAITING FOR A RESPONSE. He should be more concerned with persuading others that Hapa is scum than with persuading others that they shouldn't lynch him.

##Vote Yamato

P.S. - Cora, I saw where you switched gears on yamato, but I didn't see anywhere where you specifically answered my question about how you reconcile Hapa's defense of Adam and early vote on Keir. I think if you're going to base your case almost entirely on the reputation of dead townies, I'm just trying to get you to think more about the ramifications of your read, and I think you really should consider that point if you're serious about your vote. It's a pretty strong town tell in retrospect after considering the Keirathi flip.

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