This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 4

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 27 2013 21:42 GMT

#1176

On February 28 2013 06:41 thrawn2112 wrote:

iamp is pushing the right thing every time I look at him and he looks pretty townie besides that

BTW this is a scum quality.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 27 2013 21:59 GMT

#1184

On February 28 2013 06:55 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if your reason for pulling Alderan off the list is that he championed a Keir lynch, why is Snarfs on it?

Why are you so worried about where I am on everyone's list?

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 27 2013 22:00 GMT

#1185

On February 28 2013 06:58 Acrofales wrote:
I prefer Zare/Sylencia.

Zare looks REALLY terrible with the Keir flip.

There is no way Dieno is not in this upcoming duel. Sorry.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 27 2013 22:42 GMT

#1190

On February 28 2013 07:37 cDgCorazon wrote:

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As long as we vote for Syl to duel, I'm fine with whoever he chooses.

I really think Dieno/Syl is the best duel, but they are probably going to refuse to duel each other. Plus Syl will lurk and not even know he's supposed to duel until it is too late.

a) Why would they refuse to duel each other? They're both the scummiest of the bunch. Gives them the best chance for survival.

b) I don't trust Syl to make the pick. I think Dieno should be the one to initiate the duel.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 27 2013 22:48 GMT

#1193

On February 28 2013 07:44 Acrofales wrote:

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On February 28 2013 07:14 thrawn2112 wrote:

On February 28 2013 06:58 Acrofales wrote:
I prefer Zare/Sylencia.

Zare looks REALLY terrible with the Keir flip.

if zare is scum then this would have to be bussing:

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On February 28 2013 00:38 zarepath wrote:
I'm becoming more and more convinced that Adam isn't scum, mostly because I haven't yet found a satisfying answer to why Scum Adam would do what he did, unless it was to save Thrawn from having to duel, at which point the whole thing is a stupid association case. So I went into Keirathi's filter with some more open eyes.

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I hate first post town claims.

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Remember, thrawn wasn't on-board witht he "two scummy people duel" idea. He said making all those policies was pointless.

So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?

He gets on Thrawn AFTER everyone else has already. This is actually pretty late in the thread. I don't like that Keirathi's first "real" contribution is piling on top of Thrawn with everyone else and not actually contributing much, just asking Fake Interrogator Questions.

On February 26 2013 10:50 Keirathi wrote:
It wasn't a pointless question (and thrawn never answered it either). Thrawn came out and said "hey guys, forget all this policy stuff, its pointless. Just play!"

Then, despite having no other mention of Hapa, as soon as other people start talking about him, thrawn was like "oh yea, hapa should duel tomorrow!" There's not even a read in there, since he took no stance on who *SHOULD* be dueling. It was just jumping onto thread sentiment with no thoughts towards Hapa from himself.

After Thrawn again. Marv has been vocal about Thrawn's scumminess all thread, and it's basically the only thing that Keir is going after. It looks like sheeping.

On February 27 2013 03:58 Keirathi wrote:
I thought it was just a stupid move. Arbitrarily, I think it was scummy because he cut off all discussion about other candidates, and felt like just straight OMGUS because I was trying to get some discussion out of something I viewed as scum motivated.

So was it "just a stupid move," or "scummy?" At this point everyone has declared it a very stupid move, so that's an easy sheep opinion to have, but also calling him scummy -- you either think he's scummy or stupid town.

Then he had the gall to say that he dueled because I was trying to back out of a half-assed scum read?

I feel like this is too emotional... phrases like "he had the gall" just seems too whiny to be substantive.

And for two, what happened to his scum read of Corazon earlier on night 0? Oh right, he backed out of it because of further discussion. Hell he even went so far as to say that he wasn't a "tunnel machine" and that he pulls out of tunnels all th e time. But if I try to get some discussion about something that I view as scummy to see if I'm just being paranoid, he gets all holy roller and pulls the trigger on the duel.

This isn't a case, it's whining.

The situation reminds me a lot of GSL 3 (i think?). I saw something that I genuinely viewed as scummy and brought it to the thread. I took a lot of flak for it, but the difference is people were willing to discuss it with me while they were calling me scum. And as I talked it out more, and got some other perspective views, I changed my read.

Why is he bringing this up? What's the motivation? He's basically saying that this is exactly like the time he was town, except only if Adam HADN'T dueled him, and if his scum read was wrong and needed to evolve. That's absolutely not a case on Adam, because in this meta reference he was wrong about his scum read, and Adam is his scum read in this case. Honestly the only connection I can see being relevant in the context of this post is the fact that he was town before. And bringing up a meta case like that, just for the sake of looking more town, in the middle of a post that is supposedly supposed to be your thoughts on Adam, seems scummy.

I don't like that he doesn't make a case on Adam and is only whining about being dueled. And I also don't like that he hasn't made a case on anyone/anything else SINCE being dueled.

On February 27 2013 03:48 Keirathi wrote:

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My reads haven't changed. I still think thrawn is likely scum because of his jumping around following thread sentiments, and I still see possible scum motivation in the Adam thing that I was trying to talk about.

I'll write up some more later this evening when I get home, but I don't think an hour is enough time right now.

It's been a night and he hasn't posted his reads. It's convenient that NONE of his reads have changed... but he didn't even HAVE reads on anybody other than those two people. Sure he still thinks what he thought about them, but he literally hasn't thought ANYTHING about anybody else, and hasn't even bothered to think ANYTHING since?

On February 26 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote:
I'd appreciate it if someone could look at my points about Adam and give some comments other than "lol bad".

Wanted people to talk about Adam, really wanted it bad.

On February 26 2013 14:49 Keirathi wrote:
I would be fine dueling thrawn.

Why would town be fine with dueling? It's not like Keirathi even had a great case on Thrawn. Although, at the same time, why would scum be fine with dueling? Like others have said, NOT wanting to duel looks worse if you're scum. I don't know how to read this, but it's a very clear statement of intent for somebody whose ONLY read has been Thrawn, and hasn't even built a real strong case on him.

##Vote Keirathi

Adam isn't scum. I just don't see the scum motivation for what he did at all.

then he pushed keir pretty hard till the lynch. do you think he was bussing?

Someone was. And that case was absolutely terrible. I very nearly made a post doing Keir's work for him debunking that case because of how terrible it was. Keir was scum for absolutely NONE of those reasons.

I bet you did....

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:10 GMT

#1199

On February 28 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
And all the scumbuddies bussed the hell out of keirathi.

Alderan, why were you so concerned that a double lynch was happening? There was still like 8-10 hours to go or more.
Plenty of time to see a switch.

Also, you pushed it so hard then when keirathi flipped town you were suprised? Like what? Then why did you push keirathi over adam SO HARD when you thought that they were both town?

I didn't have a strong scum read on either, I felt that Keirathi was an uninterested town, and in fact he was just an uninterested scum. They look very similar.

Adam provided better analysis post duel, regardless of the aggressiveness of the initial pick. I really really thought we had two town there, and so I didn't want both to die and I picked the better of the two.

As for rushing it, I honestly wasn't aware of how much time was left but I thought that the double lynch was a terrible idea and didn't want to give scum a chance to rally behind acrofales/iamp and push it though.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:13 GMT

#1200

On February 28 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Alderan, why were you so concerned that a double lynch was happening? There was still like 8-10 hours to go or more.
Plenty of time to see a switch.

Oh I misread your question. Like I said, I didn't really know how much time was left, and the thread was stalled except for iamp and Acro pushing the double lynch real hard. Then Thrawn did that sketchy switch and I figured we needed to get out in front of it.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:37 GMT

#1207

On February 28 2013 01:00 Alderan wrote:
TBH I don't think either are scum. I've been trying to make heads or tails of it, and waiting on the analysis post from each. Adam posted his and it largely seems pretty good analysis. Yes it's disappointing that it took this long, but doesn't make him seem scummy.

That said I'm purposely holding my vote and I'm placing it wherever will prevent a double lynch. I don't think its a good idea, I don't have a decent scum read on either, I'd rather have Adam still alive probably but if its him or both dead, I'm choosing him.

I just don't know how you all can be that on board with a double lynch. That is a horrendous policy, why am I the only one talking about it?

On February 28 2013 01:07 Alderan wrote:

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I will vote for whoever my vote would kill.

On the one hand if we kill Adam we set a precedent that early out of line duels make you appear more scummy and thus people won't want to do them.

But then on the other hand Adam's reads have been better than Keirathi's imo.

Again, number one goal is that they both don't die.

On February 28 2013 01:16 Alderan wrote:

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I don't know who you think you are taking on the leader of the town position, because your play thus far has been so anti town it's ridiculous.

First off, I believe he's entirely too disinterested to be playing scum. It's always been my experience that scum early game are usually deliberate, you don't see a lot of afk time from when they are under pressure because it's easy enough to get your scum mates to write a couple responses you can just throw up. Just wreaks of a townie that's given up.

On the other hand he has offered absolutely nothing in the way of analysis, which is exactly why I said I would rather Adam live. It's not a complicated situation, I have townish reads on both, thus don't want both to die, if I had to chose it'd be Keirathi. The fact that we can't even choose who we want to kill because you've muddied up the waters so much with the fucking double lynch talk is absolutely asinine.

Read the fucking thread Oats....

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:46 GMT

#1210

On February 28 2013 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok.
My problem is that you pushed Keir like a scum read, instead of a town read that was useless

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Again here you dont sound really convinced that either one is scum, but prefer keirathi just a little bit.
Your play later belays that sentiment, it reads to me like you really really want keirathi dead, when instead, you say you DIDNT want a double lynch.

I would imagine that if you were going for damage control, you wont be so worried about it because you would find out when the lynch ended, and chill the fuck out till then .

The longer Keir went without responding, the more I wanted him dead.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:46 GMT

#1211

And I should clarify, the more I wanted him dead in relation to Adam.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:56 GMT

#1214

On February 28 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
What do you mean by this?

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Do you have a stronger scumread on Syl? Or something else entirely.
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So why am I scum?

That was worded kind of weird, but basically I think Dieno is way more scummy that Syl, and I want to make sure Dieno gets in the duel. If Syl dueled Dieno that'd be great, I just don't see it happening and I don't want to prioritize Syl over Dieno.

I didn't like all the names on the list, but its a good group of people that I'm suspicious of. Honestly you're still got null at best in my mind. Not a whole lot of constructive analysis as far as I can tell.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:57 GMT

#1216

In fairness, this line of questioning on me is the most thorough work you've put in.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 02:59 GMT

#1217

On February 28 2013 11:57 iamperfection wrote:

Guys Guys Guys

I have a sick case for hapa

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He said he would be back in an hour and then he didn't

You know what this means well do you? It means he does not care about town.
hapa can die.

He can be a leader and he isnt
he could name the whole scum team as town by now he isnt

hapa is Mafia

See here's my conundrum, would scum actually post something this worthless?

I'd assume no, but shit....

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 03:09 GMT

#1226

On February 28 2013 12:06 Acrofales wrote:
Also, there were only 3 people proposing a double lynch and I have no reason to suspect any of them of being scum.

I don't know... I think if you, iamp, and Thrawn flipped it would not surprise me if there was one scum.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 03:22 GMT

#1239

On February 28 2013 12:17 Adam4167 wrote:

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You do not have a say in the matter of when I do or do not initiate duels

Yeah.... if you could not do that, that'd be great.....

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 03:34 GMT

#1246

On February 28 2013 12:27 iamperfection wrote:

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we are talking about Hapahauli. he can easily look town he is not at all. HE should be right here with us talking about the game he is not. THAT IS MAFIA MOTIVATED

You drunk?

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 03:42 GMT

#1249

Let's do it this way.

Is there anyone in the thread that thinks Dienosore does not deserve to be in the duel?

If not, why?

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 15:38 GMT

#1287

On March 01 2013 00:19 Acrofales wrote:
I remember reading the list in the morning, and it immediately made me realize Adam was not scum.

So you did what any self respecting townie would do and try to get him lynched too....

You're making yourself look worse and worse bro.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 15:45 GMT

#1293

On March 01 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

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Do you understand the difference between not scum and town? Apparently not.
Not scum = not scum.
Could be 3P or town.

So this is what happened.

Acrofails first thinks both have a good chance of being scum.
Acrofails then thinks that one is "not scum"
Acrofails then assumes that the person that dueled someone he believed was scum must be a 3rd party, with no evidence.
Acrofails then urges everyone to kill them both, when all he would have to do to see if his 3p theory is right is wait until the selection period.

TLDR: Acrofails tried to kill someone he knew was not scum, someone who had initiated a duel with Kier who he believed to be scum.

Alderan

United States463 Posts

February 28 2013 15:46 GMT

#1294

On March 01 2013 00:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think a syl vs cor duel would be fun. hapa and syl want cor to die, everyone else wants syl to die....

Everyone else wants Dieno to die.

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