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no modkill for me | ||
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On February 06 2013 13:11 Mattchew wrote: /in hai guize i will not be modkilled long time no see, matt | ||
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On February 07 2013 03:14 Stutters695 wrote: I figure I'm due to RNG into scum at some point so you might actually.be right if you push me this time lol. Since mtg just ended time definitely won't be an issue though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy :D | ||
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apart from Bureaucracy and CT, right? ^^ | ||
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On February 08 2013 20:25 Mocsta wrote: Are u sure fivetouch hasnt been smurfing as marv all this time? mind = blown | ||
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Hi Matt <3 WWM looks pretty terrible for saying he wanted to impersonate sandroba. Either he's talking out of his ass, or he's monumentally stupid (as someone pointed out, with syllo in the game it's just ridiculous). I'll see what else he comes up with. Everything else looks kinda floaty and normal. Actually I have a fair idea of who I want to lynch right now, but I'd like to see how he plays for the rest of the day. Obvious/coag/Hiro - come play! | ||
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On February 14 2013 22:32 Zessionar wrote: both statements were exagerated, but I know what I am talking about. one other thing. clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. if people call you up on your bs, going "but... i'm right" funnily enough doesn't make you right. I don't think you're mafia right now, but don't pretend to be something or somebody that you're not. | ||
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Similarly, he can be quite perceptive as town. Your anaylsis and justification for voting him are just nonsense. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:49 Mattchew wrote: Hey Marv, have you played with vivax and is he perceptive enough to pick up on supersoft being a smurf, also how do you feel about syllos and sandrobas mini conversation in the thread... Sure, he was the first to properly pick up on me when I was smurfing in LIX. I don't feel much about syllo/sand. Mainly I'm hoping to god they're not both mafia, as in any other circumstance they can figure each other out and let me know  | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:58 Zessionar wrote: hahaha, i just wanted to say something nice along with useless and paranoid... quite perceptive... yeah i dont think so. risk used to be like vivax. he didnt read, but kept posting derailing stuff. So... you voted for him because you think he's bad at town and bad at mafia? That makes no sense If he's bad at mafia then he's catchable, and your entire reasoning is nonsense. Come clean please | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:19 sandroba wrote: @laya hopeless looks quite townie to me so far, why focus on him with your overwhelming activity? why? | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: WeWin, I'd like your opinion on hopeless. can you explain how you mixed up WWM and Zess? | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote: Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. And my scumhunting has been thorough, or... ? | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:54 ObviousOne wrote: I have temporarily escaped a lecture regarding the general merits of glass versus squeeze bottled ketchup (processed fruits need not go entirely to waste) to report that, although the glass versus plastic argument remains heated, translucent material will always be a primary component in the final product. ##UNVOTE Layabout given you've posted a tonne in your other game, i'm expecting quite a bit more from you, sonny. | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:02 WeWinMafia wrote: Marv what do you make of the conversation between Zess and me? er. are you toad or did i get the wrong end of the stick | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:14 WeWinMafia wrote: yes... That's not what I asked though. I'm asking you what you're making of the situation. What do you make of the conversation between him and me, his focus on this whole thing and him being happy about finding me. not very much | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:12 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##yamato77 I read your name in the bottom of my coffee cup bitch. On February 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Oh shit does that mean I'm scum? Hey Vivax. Did you learn shit from LIX? I hope for the sake of my faith in my humanity, the answer is yes. Maybe try to play like you learnt something. My tolerance level this game for stupid shenannies will be markedly lower. | ||
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do you think Zess is supersoft? | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote: Another topic: Masons, claim! Ignore this | ||
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now i'm confused instead | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:23 Vivax wrote: Marv, you're a party pooper. That was semi-serious, according to yamato you need a justification for every pressure you apply as town, and if you don't justify it you're mafia? ok, you're right. you have no idea how much rage you induced in me in LIX though. And just ask yamato how much I had to drag him off you when we were masoned. I just browsed your filter super-fast and it didn't look particularly retarded, so I guess I can retract that. | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:25 HiroPro wrote: ##Vote yamato77 he scum. I'll explain later. Interesting. ##Vote: HiroPro | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:04 Zessionar wrote: yes, Marv could you please give some more reasoning for your vote? Hiropro aswell... i wanna kill him for giving no reasoning for his vote :D | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:17 Zessionar wrote: okay and why do you think that masons shouldnt claim? for example, if vivax and yamato were masons. Why shouldn't they just claim? why should they? | ||
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On February 15 2013 03:56 Zessionar wrote: hahaha, guess where i am right now :-P i agree with you about marv... especially his first post was uncool. but I didnt want to vote him yet... i respect that he did his homework on risk.nuke and i give him some credit for that... his attack on sandroba was kind of strange, my first reaction on sandrobas post was "nice catch" and marv attacked the weaker part without giving sandr credit for the rest mhm how is that westernburger? eh, what's all this. where did i attack sandroba? | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:21 WeWinMafia wrote: nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something. oh. No, i'm ok thanks. | ||
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funny how grush understands yet toad doesn't. strange world. | ||
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stop saying nonsense. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:53 WeWinMafia wrote: as I already said, I want people like you to say something themselves and not just have people respond to whatever all day long. Talk about little things you consider weird, that get's people talking. why don't you do that instead? | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:56 HiroPro wrote: Im on my phone so youll have to pretend that I quoted. The reason why I think yamato is mafia is very simple. Early on in the game yamato asked two questions about matt and syllo's opening posts. Both of them appear very strange in that they seem to be advancing the idea that the person is mafia without actually saying it outright. They do not appear genuine to me at all. lol that's it? fuck me. | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote: I'm reading this thread constantly yet I find no will whatsoever to comment on anything. Toad and Zes are spamming the thread and producing no info whatsoever, marv seems content to comment without actually moving things alone and syllo has yet to come here and complain I'm not posting enough and has been pretty inactive himself. For now I'm set on lynching ObviousOne, because he is lurking the most and I have no background on him or Coagulation who I've yet to see do anything relevant in any game I played with him (also because I enjoy lynching jackal, so his offspring will have to do in his absence). do you have any read on syllo? | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:10 Coagulation wrote: ok sandroba whatever you say big guy. remember how you did nothing on omgus.net and you were mafia what are you doing this game? | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:12 Coagulation wrote: reading about hamburgers. i'll happily lynch you, you know. And I can push it through. Consider it a threat. | ||
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Why won't you play with us? </3 | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:28 Coagulation wrote: well lets see layabout seems like a mislynch sandroba seems like an ass. not necesarrily alignment indicative but I wouldnt lose sleep over lynching him. hiropro is scummy as fuck with his "lynching for fun" and his withholding info from town but I dont know if he will actually flip scum or not. grush seems to not give a shit but I cant really claim hes scummy for it. not bad. you may lurk until tomorrow afternoon, then. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:00 WeWinMafia wrote: It still does raise the question why he did it about that time when I asked him to come up with something himself, when people like Sandro and laya delurked and you got in the thread telling people you're reading about burgers ( :3 ). He could have done that anytime he wanted to if that was the reasoning for posting it and he never actually considered you "weird" to begin with. Looks an awful lot like he's trying to look like he doesn't care with his agressive post towards me telling me to shut up while actually caring a lot about it. There's just no reason for marv to make that kind of post if he gives in nonetheless just a couple minutes later. What coag said right below you. And you have so little idea how to read what people are saying sometimes toad, it's astonishing. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote: and who is the scummiest player among these: HiroPro Hopeless1der Artanis[Xp] yamato77 grush57 layabout Hopeless. Will explain later/tomorrow. | ||
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On February 15 2013 19:08 syllogism wrote: Oh it's an extended majority lynch too. Perhaps lynching someone who is so far unreadable and who isn't likely to post much isn't a terrible idea for a day 1 lynch with the way things are right now. I'm still suspicious of Yamato, but the longer post above looks ok and the wagon hasn't met much resistance so far. Marvel do you actually find hiropro's yamato vote and the later justification suspicious? Do you have a read on yamato? I do find the justification weak, but I'm not entirely sure if it's scummy. It's not a strong read but there are little behavioral snippets from Hiro that make me think maybe he's not mafia. ##Unvote I have to check on yamato, normally by now I would expect to have reasonably strong feelings one way or the other, and I don't. Somehow I also have no idea how he racked up 5 ? votes. My lunchbreak is in 2 hours so I'll try to find out what the fuck is going on with yamato and either confirm/reject my feelings on Hopeless, then. | ||
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Vivax - no reason Zessionar - now unvoted, no reason originally Hiro - 'insinuating' questions layabout - not backing up Zess vote. He also makes a reasonable post about him: + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 10:11 layabout wrote: because you know, yamato was pretty vague in his accusations: He also jumps from "Zess being stupid with that vote" to "I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote: I've never seen syllo and sandro in the game at the same time, yet I'm supposed to know they're all buddy buddy all the time? Zess being stupid with that vote. Why are you trying to accuse me over questioning syllo's intentions? + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 01:51 yamato77 wrote: Marv I would say looks quite town, yes. I don't know about risk, but the fact that he's looking at Zess is encouraging. I do think Zess is likely mafia at this point. His attempts at "scum hunting" are truly pathetic. Suddenly zess being "stupid" has become zess is "bad" and "is mafia" because of this. The criticism is the same in both cases but the conclusion changes. When asked to clarify why zess is scum he describes his scumhunting as "careless" which tend to be a townie trait. And that he shows a "disregard for justification" which he himself has also shown.+ Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: I'm attacking how he is scum hunting, which is carelessly and with no regard for justification. I think yamato felt that he could safely put his vote on zessionar following (Artanis[Xp] and Hopeless1der) because he had been the center of discussion. He was not prepared to back it up because he has no good reasons and because he is mafia and wants to get his vote down and hide from attention. A lot of this is reasonable. For example: When asked to clarify why zess is scum he describes his scumhunting as "careless" which tend to be a townie trait. This is true, but yamato's thought processes aren't always completely correct. He actually DOES believe stuff like this as town, he's not quite refined what makes someone town and someone mafia. Finally, Hopeless - sheep. There's only one backed up vote on the wagon, which is layabout's. Anyway, I'm not totally confident yamato is town or anything, but I think he's a bad lynch for today at any rate. | ||
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On February 15 2013 22:36 marvellosity wrote: there's nothing to pressure. he can be lynched at any time. | ||
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I play mafia on coag's site offsite (omgus.net) which means on a fairly consistent basis over the last 6+ months or so I've been playing in games with coag, so I have a certain grasp of his play. The fact he splurged a bunch more comments after that post is also a positive thing. I mentioned it earlier, but we just finished a game there where I was town and he was mafia, and he made a grand total of about 6 posts before conceding to me on Day 2. And he always posts more on that site than he does on TL, too. | ||
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Is this serious? He's clearly looked into the players and pulled things out the filters he found interesting. What are you trying to pull here, Artanis? | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He claims that townies wouldn't put up a case without much research, yet he throws down 'speed cases'. The word speed case implies to me that he only took a quick look. If he's been more thorough, than that definition seems very off. are they badly researched? do you disagree with what he said in them? | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: Marv, are you still planning to lynch me/make a case? possibly. i'm in the middle of it and havent' decided if it makes you mafia yet. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:00 sandroba wrote: @marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me. @syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town. I'm not "sure" he's town. I endorsed him not posting to see if he would post anyway despite having my permission not to, which he did. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:24 sandroba wrote: The post on vivax's stuff was quite perseptive and involved checking timestamps and shit, which is not the kind of bullshit mafia normally throws around or even go through the trouble of checking. Here is a post from Hopeless from ACME Mafia, where he was godfather: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Release's first game ever on TL, opening postTown: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote: You say that you are for a vote, but you state that your other vote was luck based. Considering you said "very luck based", doesn't that mean to say that we are not going to experience the same luck? If we don't experience the same luck, we will very much end up lynching a townie, which makes your "for a vote" seem like you want to lynch a townie. Also, why are you talking about the last game? You should be more concerned with this game and find out ways for pointing out scum rather than ways not to. This seems more like filler. The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis Fairly similar to his attack on kush this game. 2nd game Town, he spends most of the game tunneling grush. Way more 1-liners, inconclusive to the current situation 3rd game Vig, he gets in my face pretty early, but generally tried to keep talking. Also cited activity issues due to school? 4th game Town, + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote: I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: Lazermonkey Yourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry Fos: lazermonkey Keep in mind, he's already spent a game tunneling grush, from what I can tell, it was related to fake-claims. Opens with hostility and a vote. To be fair, I don't think he's ever rolled scum, but his jumping out of the gate fighting looks like hes town yet again. He's never played with kush before. He also explained that he expects people to NOT derp all over the thread when they post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. Sadly, kush is unable to meet that requirement. My "meta" read is that this strong aggression is in fact representative of town release. Keeping in mind that there are no scum games to compare with, I'm not willing to vote Release for his posts against kush. i also agree with this from Zealos: I think I have a handle on this mason claim shitfest. I'm rereading this through more carefully because I just kind of glanced the thread over, but I think I'm going to be voting Muso in a moment. As you can see, he took the time to research a whole bunch of Release's games, providing commentary on all of them. Therefore in Hopeless' case, I believe sandroba's reasoning to be false. Anyway, it's been pointed out before, this is a complete over-reaction: On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much? Since when are random votes thrown out at the beginning of the game "scummy as fuck"? It happens in virtually every game, some random shit vote, and most of the time it comes from a townie. It's not a natural reaction to me. Mostly the other thing I've picked up on is the way he constructs his posts. It's very careful in places. Here is his filter from Mario Mafia, where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725¤tpage=All Most of the language is casual. You won't find posts like this in that filter: On February 14 2013 23:09 Hopeless1der wrote: I do not believe the exercise to be pointless, but your distasteful response has been noted. It's so uncasual it's almost unbelievable. On February 14 2013 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I kind of share Mattchew's condition of being generally unable to read Marv day1. His choice of giving him a green check is like a placeholder saying 'do not lynch', not an actual town read. (At least that is my interpretation) Nothing scummy about it to me, as he seems to be interested in picking marv's brain at some point. Yamato seems to genuinely not know about the sandro/syllo dynamic: Assuming that yamato doesn't know of their ability to read one another (S/S), this question seems reasonable as risk alluded to the relationship. I don't mind risk defending himself by calling himself bad scum because Zess didn't justify anything in either his vote or his followup. I personally read that as an attack against Zess, not a defense. I also disagree that Zess was strictly joking about it, as he still maintains that he kind of has reasons that he wont divulge. Vivax, show me these "bad posts" from WWM (WeWinMafia) please. I have a slight bone to pick. I know they're kind of in your filter, but I'd like you to do it again if you'd be so kind. I've highlighted everything in this post that I find uncharacteristic from a town Hopeless. It's all either careful or constructed. Here are two quotes from this game and another game, where he was mafia: On February 15 2013 00:09 Hopeless1der wrote: This is where I'd probably play the "Why don't you go read my filter" card, but I suspect you've done that and you're fishing for my ##Vote: Zessionar Is this acceptable? On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, being facetious is awesome. Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you? Minor on its own, but it's the similarity of the kinda sarcastic asking for permission. Anyway, here is his filter from ACME, where he was godfather: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=123725¤tpage=All I find the construction of his posts there far more similar to those here than from the Mario game where he was town. Generally speaking for this game alone, I find his early push on Zess over the top, his posts overly constructed, and then despite having 'pressured' Zessionar all game, drops it at the drop of the hat in order to drop a vote on easy target yamato. There's no explanation why Zessionar is now apparently not a good target. I think this guy is mafia. ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote: His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful. it's maybe not that relevant, but last time Toad was mafia (in Chrono, you were there) he decided to make me one of his main targets to pick a bone with. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:32 syllogism wrote: I still don't like this post by him and the longer post in which he explains it and some other things seems overdone. Another thing that makes Yamato a compelling lynch are his interactions with Marv. Marv questioned him a bit after I called yamato out for this post, but it was pretty weak and he didn't go anywhere with it. He also seemed to jump on anyone who voted yamato. I may be overreading because that would be a rather audacious mafia strategy, but I think Marvel should have been suspicious of yamato at that stage. Yet he seemed more worried about the people voting for him, in a way that looked exaggerated to me. Please provide evidence for all of this. Because it's not how I recall anything happening at all. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:36 sandroba wrote: Meh, that post it really seems like he was trying to trap vivax, which is clearly different from that post you quoted from acme, in which despite doing research, he reaches no conclusion, nor pushes anybody. I'll give you that the "That's scummy as fuck post" looks fake and I'd like him to explain why he made such post and why he moved his vote from Zess to yamato. The rest of the case on phrase construction I'm not sure is relevant to be honest, since the pool you looked is very small and I doubt you took the sweet time to really read most of the posts he made. As I'm unwilling to do such task myself I'm just gonna ignore that supposed evidence. I observed Acme closely, and I played with him in Mario, and I've played several other games with him before. Your dismissal is unwarranted. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:38 Zessionar wrote: No he's right. What he's saying makes perfect sense... I asked you to give some more reasoning for your vote on jiro (was that hiro? i believe so) when he voted yamato for no reason. I didn't think about it back then, but syllo hit the nail right on the head. You look so confident that yamato is town, that you don't even try to question yamato before you "counter-vote" hiros vote. You know what i am saying... that's pretty scummy of you btw :D as in, whether yamato is town or mafia is irrelevant to how hiro made his vote | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:39 syllogism wrote: You were hostile towards Vivax and Hiropro for their yamato votes. It may be just a coincidence and more to do with their lack of justification but I think vivax looked much better than yamato at the time, which is why I expected you to be more interested in pressuring yamato more. Anyway, it's not particularly relevant today as I'm not willing to lynch or even push you today and overall the evidence is quite tenuous. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794746 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794796 right, it's this. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:42 Zessionar wrote: no i don't think so: If Hiro votes scum for absolutely no reason, that's not scummy at all. If hero votes town for no reason, that's scummy. no, that's just wrong. | ||
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your point of view only has any credence if you know people's alignments ahead of time, which I don't, and unless you're mafia, you don't either. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:49 Zessionar wrote: let's just settle right here with the result that your vote on hiro was strange and syllo delivered one reasonable explanation. I don't want to overeact to this... no, because i disagree. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:53 sandroba wrote: @marv How confident are you that hopeless is scum? Quite confident. I'd still have my hands over my eyes at the flip, though. In any case, this recent burst of posting has made me think you're more likely town, while I don't get syllo at all. I'd lynch Toad with you if you're confident. I won't lynch outside of these 2 players. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote: w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town. I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia. I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:24 Mattchew wrote: @marv OK i just read your case on hopeless. He is using weak language and I agree with the facts you presented to draw your conclusions. I would like you to expand on why your ok with artanis @vivax Currently toad and zess are sitting neutral to me, neither are more lynchworthy than hopeless (marv's case), artanis (my thoughts), or grush (just cause, grush.) Oo I havent read seems interested, asking questions, making some analysis. Vote is jumping around quite a bit too, usually mafia don't do that so much. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote: Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way? Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there. This: On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? is quite different to this: On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much? | ||
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right, both those quotes are disbelief, wtf moments. Here he is specifically calling it "scummy as shit", in LVIII he quite clearly did not. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:45 HiroPro wrote: I don't know - I don't actually agree lol. Like maybe I'm just looking at the overall feel more rather than specific phrasing or such, but the general style he has just seems more similar. The overall feel is as I described in my case. He's looser and more carefree as town, and more constructed as mafia. | ||
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On February 16 2013 02:09 HiroPro wrote: meh. maybe you are right. I don't know, I think I've wanted to lynch hopeless every game I've played with him and he always seems to be a big lynch/vig candidate in every game that I've seen him play, so maybe I'm just wary because of that. ya. i mean, i'm not all guns blazing that he's mafia, but i think there's a pretty good chance of it. what you said here reminds me of austin's argument to me on Day 1 of LIX when I wanted to lynch prplhz - "i always find him scummy, he always seems to be a lynch target". Of course, but these guys roll mafia as well ^^ Talk to me about yamato, then. What about his questions did you find unnatural? | ||
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On February 16 2013 02:22 Hopeless1der wrote: @Marv, my response to your case is quite succinct. I'll even quote you to support my need to "construct" my posts: A greater portion of the posts you quoted were in response or regarding Vivax in some way. Suppose my first instinct is to respond in a "fuck off and die in a fire" manner. Now suppose I am trying to curb that instinct, but still want to hold some type of reasonable discourse. The result is the posts you've taken issue with. Regarding the drop in pressure on Zess, don't worry that's coming back momentarily. huh. this answer was unexpected and possibly reasonable. i'll have a look. | ||
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I'm not at all sure Vivax is town. He's not actually *pushing* anything. I know I told him that I'd pull him up on his crazy shit earlier, but all he's done is thrown down a joke vote on yamato, and kinda-but-not-really pushed Zessionar and fucked off. I don't like it. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:04 Vivax wrote: Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I think you might well be mafia  ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:10 Zessionar wrote: i want to lynch vivax, because he's the most annoying person in this game, everything he posts is either just wrong or exagerated. His reads are paranoid, he completely refuses to listen to logic and he's overall disturbing... but sadly he plays like this as town, therefor we have to carry him around with us until we get shot. If one thing is 100% sure in this game, it is the fact that scum won't do us the huge favour to kill him... No, I completely disagree with you. Here's why. As town he pushes his reads. HARD. For good, or for bad. Usually for bad, but hey. Maybe he learnt not to be a madman after LIX, right? But still, he would push his lynch. In this game he doesn't push his reads. His read is you. He comes in - makes a couple of posts about it, then leaves. He then responds within 5 minutes to me calling him out, even though there's been plenty of other stuff in the thread. He's not trying to get you lynched. If he was town, he would be trying to get you lynched. As mafia, he's happy to call you mafia, and then go away and let the rest of town argue about yamato/Hopeless/whoever | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote: A brief interlude into meta, from Dessert Mini Mafia: Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst? Hi Hopeless. I like this bit a lot. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:23 Vivax wrote: Marv, did I or didn't I write a case against Zess? yup, then you fucked off. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:24 Zessionar wrote: "It also lets Zessionar just sheep into the town's choices" did i sheep anyone yet? you're the second retard who accuses me for setting up a situation where i will be able to sheep someone. However I haven't sheeped anyone yet. I never sheep my vote. the rest is complete bullshit. you're comparing games, that cannot be compared. you're comparing earlygames that cannot at all be compared and your case is shit, because i am town, your case is shit because you have not one point where you really disagree with me you cannot explain why my proposed plan/list was bad for the town at that point of time, when the thread basically was dead. You don't disagree with any point on my speedanalysis you don't disagree on my plan to let the masons claim you don't disagree with my support for syllos point on marv, you don't disagree with my stance towards toad. you're basically just comparing the look of my posts, from two completely different games. why don't you compare my scumgame to this game here? why don't you answer why, as town, you told the rest of town very firmly not to talk about pointless shit, yet you happily indulged in it here? | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:26 Vivax wrote: Comment on it then. Tell me why you're not interested in lynching Zess. The question isn't why I want to lynch Zess, the question is why are you only asking me about it now after I called you out for it, and not before? | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:13 marvellosity wrote: No, I completely disagree with you. Here's why. As town he pushes his reads. HARD. For good, or for bad. Usually for bad, but hey. Maybe he learnt not to be a madman after LIX, right? But still, he would push his lynch. In this game he doesn't push his reads. His read is you. He comes in - makes a couple of posts about it, then leaves. He then responds within 5 minutes to me calling him out, even though there's been plenty of other stuff in the thread. He's not trying to get you lynched. If he was town, he would be trying to get you lynched. As mafia, he's happy to call you mafia, and then go away and let the rest of town argue about yamato/Hopeless/whoever On February 16 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote: why don't you answer why, as town, you told the rest of town very firmly not to talk about pointless shit, yet you happily indulged in it here? | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:42 Zessionar wrote: and wtf is this marv? you were suspicious of this fellow like 3 pages ago. you made a huge case and you let him pass with this halfassed terrible case on me? yeah sure. you're scum marv. you are. FLOOD CONTROL! i dont remember the name of the game, but i think we were both town and i masoned you later on and we kept making a huge list but the game ended before we could finish it :D hey wbg, am i allowed to post with another account if the floodcontrol hits me? if you would actually read my posts, it would be clear why my suspicion on him waned. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:43 layabout wrote: hey why did marv give up on Hopeless1der? On February 16 2013 02:27 marvellosity wrote: huh. this answer was unexpected and possibly reasonable. i'll have a look. On February 16 2013 02:32 marvellosity wrote: your explanation is kinda believable actually. gonna wait to hear what you have to say about zess/your unvote of him/vote on yamato. then I liked his catch on supersoft talking about pointless stuff. Although it's shown not to be true when in relation to Toad, he can't really have been expected to know that. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:13 marvellosity wrote: No, I completely disagree with you. Here's why. As town he pushes his reads. HARD. For good, or for bad. Usually for bad, but hey. Maybe he learnt not to be a madman after LIX, right? But still, he would push his lynch. In this game he doesn't push his reads. His read is you. He comes in - makes a couple of posts about it, then leaves. He then responds within 5 minutes to me calling him out, even though there's been plenty of other stuff in the thread. He's not trying to get you lynched. If he was town, he would be trying to get you lynched. As mafia, he's happy to call you mafia, and then go away and let the rest of town argue about yamato/Hopeless/whoever | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:12 syllogism wrote: It's a bit weird how Toad never got more than one vote despite us both being suspicious of him at various points. How can you say "it's a bit weird" when this was the extent of your suspicions of Toad? On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote: His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful. On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote: Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here. | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:23 syllogism wrote: That's not the extent of my suspicions http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17793213 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794483 My point is mostly that if one of the people we are pushing right now is mafia, I would have expected mafia at some point make an attempt at getting Toad lynched. It's much easier and safer to push a lynch that has the support of players people often listen to. Perhaps they opted to wagon someone else. Does this not suggest that Toad could be mafia, then? | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:26 Zessionar wrote: what supersoft stuff On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote: Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here. On February 16 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote: I still think toad is scum. Maybe I'm biased but I don't see that supersoft defense as townie at all. I think it looks pretty forced and he took it as an opportunity to try to look townie. I'ma keep my vote on him and see how the thread develops, since I can't really prove he is scum and yam doesn't look so hot himself. | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:30 Zessionar wrote: ah yes okay. marv please quit playing like a moderator and have own opinions. whats your opinion on the supersoft stuff :-o i have my own opinions. i'm not playing for your pleasure. in fact my own opinion is that vivax is the best lynch, I even directly responded to you about Vivax and asked you to respond to it repeatedly, but you failed to. | ||
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On February 16 2013 05:53 HiroPro wrote: Also I get a very bad feeling from marv's posting. There's nothing specific that I can point to but I get the sense that he is willing to push almost any of the wagons. It feels a lot like he just adds fuel to the fire whenever something pops up. The only person who he hasn't really done that with is yamato. what? i was at hopeless/toad and now I'm at Vivax/toad. what are you talking about? | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:04 HiroPro wrote: how is that irrelevant? It looks like what you are doing in this game. then you're blind and bad. but ok. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:07 ObviousOne wrote: Don't know about you other fruity pebbles but Zessionar is looking mighty overripe. ##Vote Zessionar He has expressed interest in having everyone show their seedy innards for all to see, especially where the grapes (with their invaluable vines) are concerned. Not to terribly sure what kind of fruit salad he was concocting in his shopping list: Doesn't match up with his following list very well, despite having a list of fruits he potentially wanted to see chopped up (why did grush yamato and layabout drop off?): + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote: 2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107 old VT day1 game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107 he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game. either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT - trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition. He stays in the lynchlist. 4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too. "is pretty townie" i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh. I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax. Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific... He should stay in the lynchlist for now 7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page "Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was." This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target... I'd let him off the hook for today :-/ I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible... 10. Hopeless1der Filter the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view... I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing. don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum... "I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way." hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible. I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb. Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases. __________________________________________________ first four players... speedanalysis... and + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game. One of them will be lynched today. in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch. that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there. The net is wide enough to capture fruits of either disposition and thus vague enough to be used safely. The lists also don't appear to step on any toes. we're not lynching zessionar today. are you actually going to play the game this evening? | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:16 Zessionar wrote: you started to suspect me based on hopeless shit. after that i knew you're scum i still think you're scum then you're bad as well. the point hopeless raised was a good one. in fact you're very fond yourself of picking up on little things like that. the fact you make exceptions for toad or fellow germans or whatever, is something i couldn't know. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:21 ObviousOne wrote: I'll vote him tomorrow, remember that yesterday was Singles Awareness day so you could be fair and give him a shot at redemption. yesterday isn't today, for god's sakes. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:21 Zessionar wrote: like 50% of the other players are posting and pushing much less. So what? Vivax isn't them. Look at Vivax kick and scream in EVERY SINGLE GAME he is town. He's not doing it at all here. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=171343 He's playing like that. He's asking questions, he's reasonably active, but he's not kicking and screaming like as town in LIX. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:24 ObviousOne wrote: Hasn't been here to push us either way, as opposed to my candidate. it's a majority lynch. Zessionar isn't getting lynched. Try harder. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:27 HiroPro wrote: but yamato is the same is he not? yamato is the same, agreed, but at the moment he's more absent than not pushing anything. Did you not see the stretch of posts earlier, where Vivax called Zess out, then afked, only to return IMMEDIATELY I called him out? Then as the Zessionar wagon is cooling off, is he here screaming that we should be lynching him? No. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:28 risk.nuke wrote: I'm still can't see Zess as being supersoft. Earlier I felt like killing him and the only thing stopping me was the lurkers. My sentiment haven't changed. I will back a lynch on someone who've done jack this game. Otherwise ##Vote: Zessionar he already admitted it | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:44 syllogism wrote: What do you think about Vivax? I guess 5 minutes isn't enough for this discussion. Vivax's play certainly doesn't look like LVIII or whatever, but it also doesn't look like his mafia play in that mini with wbg and palmar. his mafia play evolved between that mini and LVIII. I thought he was clearly mafia in that mini. But I played with him in LVIII, and for the first time in an extremely long time, I actually gave a townread to a guy who was mafia. That guy was Vivax. Somehow between those games he managed to improve his scumplay a tonne. | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:46 syllogism wrote: Is that deadline correct? A bit over two hours? 1h 15. says 23:00 gmt | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:19 Zessionar wrote: Okay Marv: If you had the choice between lynching me and nolynching, what do you do? i'd no lynch. anyway no-one wants to lynch vivax, so it gotta be yamato. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:20 Zessionar wrote: i am actually so sad, that i couldnt get this scummarv killed d1. He painted me red in the eyes of the newbs. And if he succeeds i won't play with anyone who voted for me ever again. you're just a dick and you're wrong to boot. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: i'd no lynch. anyway no-one wants to lynch vivax, so it gotta be yamato. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato actually i take this back. i'd lynch you. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:48 ObviousOne wrote: Last time I watched you start a last-minute vote switch you were mafia. Just saying. Oh, and you did it to me. So I suspect you'll lay down some general suspicion on me today and engineer my lynch tomorrow. I'm not seeing Yamato as scum yet. Sticking with Zess. Also, using one of my first games' activity from many months ago is a pretty weak meta case to use. what a strawman. hi scum. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:59 supersoft wrote: marv is scum and terribly stupid... I never saw him playing good. go check out LIX where i lynched all the mafia, douchebag. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:10 HiroPro wrote: Someone should shoot obviousone tonight. It seems very strange that he screws around for most of the day and then comes back to vote super on nothing. I support this announcement | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:11 grush57 wrote: Ever think you deserved being a contestant for the lynch? If Zess is town, which he should be I guess, he's playing exactly in the same way he raged at me at for doing in LVIII. This self-entitled, arrogant opinion that he shouldn't be up for the lynch. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:12 WeWinMafia wrote: it's actually pretty amazing that you told me to lynch hopeless (slight townread imo), to lynch Supersoft (townread imo), to lynch me (duh) and to lynch Vivax (nullread given the flip I guess?) instead of Yamato who was a good lynch according to you. Not to mention all this no-lynch bullshit 10 minutes prior to deadline because people are mad at something. Not to mention Sandro and Syllo waffeling about Yamato as well although they both concluded him to be the best possible lynch for today. without me there would have been a no-lynch. get over yourself. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:22 syllogism wrote: Marv, you never quite articulated why you were so against the Yamato wagon. Thinking that he is null is fine, but the null read doesn't seem very consistent with your play. You were willing to sheep Sandro on Toad, but not on Yamato. The last minute switch makes you look better, but even as mafia you can never be sure whether a bunch of people are about to last minute switch as well. lol. are you serious? the dye was cast! ^^ I was willing to sheep sandroba on toad because he had stronger feelings for toad than yamato, and i couldn't see any particular reason toad was town. I thought yamato was afk and pretty much coinflippy because of that. Admittedly I read his 'long' post wrong, I thought it was somewhat characteristic of a town yamato. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:24 HiroPro wrote: Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing. as far as i can see, artanis and risk voted at practically identical times. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:35 Vivax wrote: Mostly the people being sure of him before you. But you seem to be used to your own arrogance despite flipflopping with your vote at the end. You didn't play as big of a role as you think there, and I'm not mafia either marv. Get down your high horse and start playing by considering yourself a human being. i'm not saying it makes me definitively town, but i went over to yamato, and artanis came with me, specifically citing me as the reason for doing so. quite important. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:34 WeWinMafia wrote: You hammering yamato has nothing to do with your alignment. If you're town you hammered him although you thought he's a bad lynch because you wanted to avoid a NL. If you're mafia you hammered him because you were scared some random townie might hammer him to avoid a NL and feared to be forced into action. Both are perfectly fine explanations for the situation we've got and saying one or the other is more likely is bullshit right now. Given the fact that you have been willing to vote everyone and their dog except for yamato prior to deadline I'd say the 2nd one is far more likely. ok dear. in your world it's more likely that mafia want to kill mafia, than town want to kill mafia. when shit is close, usually things get polarised. remember this? On May 20 2012 06:42 Qatol wrote: I think it would be useful to have a full vote count for day 1. Just something to keep in mind for later. (Reposting this from the voting thread.) [UoN]Sentinel: 9 Snarfs risk.nuke Qatol (from PaqMan) Misder Barundar Bluelightz slOosh (from PaqMan) sandroba marvellosity risk.nuke: 8 Zephirdd Mattchew [UoN]Sentinel zelblade Toadesstern (from [UoN]Sentinel) hiro protagonist Palmar PaqMan | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:40 Vivax wrote: Others actually seem to be suspicious of him and his attitude regarding yamato. What are your reasons? funny when at the last minute you would have been quite happy with a no lynch, telling us to vote zessionar. And yet some of us actually lynched yamato, right at the death. Not you though. Funny isn't it? | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote: fine. but i hate zessionar, telling people he'll never play with people again. ##Unvote ##Vote yamato On February 16 2013 07:59 Vivax wrote: Get on Zess guys. Thank me later. On February 16 2013 07:59 risk.nuke wrote: I will fry your lurking arses so hard tomorrow if yamato flips green. ##vote: yamato On February 16 2013 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fine fu marv ##unvote ##Vote: Yamato77 :OOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:48 Vivax wrote: I wanted to lynch Zess, deal with it. I'm not infallible. Given when you posted, 1 minute before teh deadline, it's clear you preferred a no-lynch to a yamato lynch. So no, I will not "get over it". | ||
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On February 16 2013 09:02 ObviousOne wrote: Scum could capitalize on the situation if they hadn't voted yet though, right? Quite a few late votes, even my own. Ok, let's take the open-minded stance that you weren't mafia. Why did you basically not post all day, and when you did, just little stories? Why were you willing to accept a no-lynch rather than a yamato lynch? | ||
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On February 16 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote: @Marv Slept for 14 hours. Basically from my last post, I think the last thing I read before passing out was the vote count. Just as you have already admitted yourself, I had an early town read on Yamato and I was more pre-occupied with thoughts about WWM and Zess to consider Yamato a candidate. Originally I wanted to make a case on WWM, but I read his filter and nothing really said to me clear scum intention. Zess, on the other hand, had been basically saying "what do you guys thing about X dude" where X is a name in one of his lists. Lists which pretty much ignore the majority of the veteran players. The jump I made in my head was me thinking it looks a lot like "Let's have the strong group of veterans look at people who I don't know" but like I said before, it's almost half of the players in the game he's asking about or talking about in the span of a few posts. Wide net of players to be suspicious of. Really the only thing that's going against my thoughts on this one is that he didn't resist a Yamato lynch. I don't know Zess' playstyle well enough to determine if meta could used against him on this. As for the possibility of no-lynch, it was up between a town-read I had on Yamato and a scum-read I had on Zess. My "stories" are all perfectly rational if you took the time to consider them where they fall in the thread. Perhaps. I did see you post a bunch in your newbie game while ignoring this game completely, however. Correct? | ||
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On February 16 2013 09:28 Mattchew wrote: Marv the best part about your 4 quotes up there is there's no way vivax could have known about those other 3 posts... He was legit pushing a nolynch / zess lynch not knowing that Yamato was actually going to get lynched... Quite. All of them happened with less than one minute to voting close. | ||
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On February 16 2013 09:31 Coagulation wrote: so grush and risk.nuke are clearly scum. hi scum. | ||
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On February 16 2013 21:35 Zessionar wrote: Vivax must be some kind of a modern biblical plague... ahahahahaha. I genuinely loled. | ||
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maybe zess is mafia after all, but it's really unlikely, and can be discovered later if it somehow is the case. it's not mafia's inclination to randomly start the game off bussing and then continue bussing for the rest of his contributions. I may be mistaken, but in British Mini, he didn't come into the game bussing, did he? | ||
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On February 16 2013 23:49 Zessionar wrote: medics protect me. Sandroba did nothing so far and he's good enough to be scum. Marv looks scummy, only his voteswitch helps him. Syllo was afk the whole day... i'd probably understand if you protect him... Ignore this post out of hand. I don't look scummy, except to the person who managed to rack up a whole bunch of votes for playing so atrociously on day 1, and possible scum Toad. protect syllo or sand, like syllo or sand said. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:38 WeWinMafia wrote: thefuck dude. You still haven't given a single reason for thinking I am mafia except for "Sandro knows Toad, let's sheep Sandro because he said Toad might be mafia in a oneliner without explaining!" and you keep on doing this. Again, you're the guy who told me to lynch Supersoft / hopeless / myself instead of Yamato based on a sheep without explanation, when you had all the reason to sheep him on Yamato as well. Sandro said Yamato is looking bad as well yet you somehow ended up being totally fine sheeping everything he said except for the one thing you came up with yourself as well. That's odd isn't it? One just off the top of my head. You calling votes on mafia "irrelevant" after saying in LIX, as town, that we solved the game in large part through voting patterns. Just shit like that. You're just lying, when did I tell you to lynch supersoft? Why are you lying? | ||
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It was SEVEN - SEVEN with LESS THAN ONE MINUTE to go. fuck me. | ||
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but you're hard to read generally so there didn't seem much point ever pushing you on it on day 1 at least. I can still see no good reason for you to be town. | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:56 WeWinMafia wrote: you still haven't given me a single reason for why you were so perfectly fine sheeping Sand on someone you didn't consider a lynch until he mentioned him while no't willing to sheep Sand on someone you wanted dead yourself as well so desperately, have you? more lies stop lying, lying toad. | ||
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it's the fact they can interpret basic fundamental events of a mafia game, whereas you are apparently completely incapable of doing so. I thought better of you. | ||
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Anyway, I think risk is probably town, grush too. Matt's iffy. coag scummy, OO scummy, Vivax maybe scummy maybe not. Toad lies and misrepresents, he's pretty damn scummy. | ||
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risk also isn't as lurky as I'd expect him to be if he were mafia, plus he effectively hammered yamato, and actually I think his reaction after the lynch happened was kinda townie. | ||
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On February 17 2013 01:31 Zessionar wrote: Grush marv and risk look terrible. I think two of them are scum. Marv defending risk and grush doesnt make him look better. Marv completely fails to justify his vote on me, same for risk. Both are players i just expect to be able to judge these kind of situations properly. Especially Marv voted me for absolutely no reason. He jumped all the way from - i wouldn't even vote him if the alternative is a nolynch, to pushing my lynch. Marv pushing vivax looks kind of artificial. Sure vivax looks terrible if you only look at the votings and the endphase of the lynch. But vivax is extremely agressive and spammy and i don't remember him like that in Kurumis game. I will go into further detail when i got some more time. lol you're so bad. i think all 3 are town. well i know 1 is town ^^ i voted you out of spite, because you were behaving like a spoilt child, telling people you wouldn't play with them again. And if you think Vivax is extremely aggressive, you're blind. Go compare this filter to that filter, and if you think he's that much more aggressive then you need your head checked. If i have to pull out quotes to prove my point later, I will. | ||
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On February 17 2013 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No Zess, threatening people with out of game consequences is extremely unprofessional. this. a hundred times this. anyway i'm out for dinner/cinema. I *think* I will be back in time for deadline to talk. | ||
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On February 17 2013 02:09 WeWinMafia wrote: 2 things I'd like to have answered: 1) Does anyone besides marv think the following is a lie or misstating the issue: Because he keeps calling me a liar for no reason. The last "liar" was about "toad you don't usually treat late votes on mafias as a mafiatrait" is just completly wrong as shown by the ven-diagram quote I provided from a recent game. It's EXACTLY the same approach, Marv was in the game and he should know it. As mentioned, I don't care so much about Marv but I don't like him calling me a liar or other words when it's in fact just wrong, so I would like to get some opionions on that one. Because last night I was a candidate for lynch because someone said "yeah let's lynch Toad I've got a funny feeling in my stomach" and I don't want that to happen again... 2) Hopeless, do you remember the newbie game I coached? I know I'm constantly asking for games names and it's annoying but I really can't keep track of those things... I know what happened in those games but I can't find them  I'm asking you because you either hosted it or coached it as well. I'm asking because there's something interesting in the scum-QT from me. your words: "why you were so perfectly fine sheeping Sand on someone you didn't consider a lynch until he mentioned him while no't willing to sheep Sand on someone you wanted dead yourself as well so desperately" you're saying i was willing to sheep sandroba on you, but not yamato, who "I wanted dead so desperately" Please find evidence that I wanted yamato dead so desperately. Otherwise you are indeed lying. | ||
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In fact quite the opposite. therefore what you said was complete nonsense - a lie. | ||
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Doesn't make sense Toad. Not one bit. | ||
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Say I wanted to lynch him, and especially don't lie and say I desperately wanted him dead, because That's evidently totally false. | ||
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2. ObviousOne - didn't give a shit about anything day 1. 3. Coagulation - same as OO. Says grush and risk are mafia for resisting the lynch, but coag fucking came into the game not long before the end, said "lol" and fucked off again. Left his vote on some outside candidate. What the fuck. What scares and depresses me is that he could still be town. 4. Mattchew - sandroba said it, he never mentioned yamato. his post after the lynch ("I would have lynched grush, hopeless, or artanis") just seems fucking weird. Don't get it. 5. marvellosity 6. syllogism sandroba thinks he's town, which is already kinda enough. It was syllo's post right at the death that snapped me out of my reverie and made me do the right thing, which from a personal point of view made me feel good about syllo. 7. HiroPro - solidly pushed yamato. And yet I'm not sure he's town. Odd suspicions of me... meh. The colour is how I feel about him. 8. Vivax - really less aggressive and loud than when he's town. It shouldn't be right to hold someone being rational against them. And yet also was pushing Zess right at the death. Meh. 9. Zessionar - so, he should be town because of Day 1. Yet if Toad is town, I somehow think Zess might be mafia. I know it's not overly rational, but we've seen wagons on two mafia before (hello Bureaucracy). This is just a conspiracy theory for now. His pushes on grush, risk, me are frankly terrible. If it's LYLO and he's alive, kill it with fire. 10. Hopeless1der - came up with a defence that was totally unexpected to me when I made a case on him, which made me give him massive townie points. And yet has been totally uninvolved since. Watch dis guy. 11. Artanis[Xp] - has never really been on my radar as mafia. hammered yamato. he did defend yamato before, but then so did I. One curious thing is that he was proactive about finding grush's meta tonight, and yet for the whole of day 1, didn't go and find yamato's meta. Why not? This niggles me. 12. risk.nuke - again hammered mafia. less lurky than i expected for him to be mafia i guess. I kinda like his reactions to the yamato lynch actually. Think he's town. 13. yamato77 14. grush57 - I give a very high confidence that grush is green. If this comes to lylo, don't let him be the mislynch, or i will kill you post-game. 15. layabout - lurkier than i'd like, but decent logical pushes when he's been around. don't see why he should be mafia right now. 16. sandroba syllo has made no mention that he thinks he could be red, which is heartwarming (like the other way round). He also posts all the posts I agree with. For example who he thinks should be vigid/DT checked. And what he said about Matt. In Chrono Trigger, he seemed kinda subservient to syllo, here it's not like that at all. | ||
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bugs was smurfing there, I was playing, VE was playing, possibly coag too. There was some really pointless suspicion being shovelled at me for stupid things (like here - for hammering mafia. WHAT THE FUCK). The night-kill mechanics were weird, and bugs, as mafia vigilante, shot me on the pretense that I had been acting suspicious. But it was a load of shit and he was mafia. | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I didn't look into Yamato's meta because I never really looked into Yamato as I found the case on him bad to begin with. I looked into Grush because someone asked for my opinion on him so I checked his filter and it was bad. I only checked his other games when you mentioned this is how he usually played. you found yamato's filter acceptable and good then, a few hours before the lynch? | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:04 Coagulation wrote: NICE wanna tell me why you left your vote on hiro day 1 dear? | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:09 Coagulation wrote: Cause hes pretty scummy. I dont know. I didnt really pay a whole lot of attention to the fucking lynch mechanic at the time because I was busy and I honestly didnt like the other bandwagons. I popped in thread and didnt see anything I could specifically add to the lynch candidates so I resumed fucking off as you so elegantly put it. why do you not care enough about the game to even know we were in a majority lynch mechanic? coag, help me out here. please | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:15 Zessionar wrote: Marv... MArv, Marv, Marv :D no rage? really? did you know about the RB? ^_^ did you read the fucking thread? lol | ||
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Toad only claimed the shot in the resolution period right? So theoretically you roleblocked Toad just because, then you found out Toad was 'shooting' me, and then you go 'argh fuck oh noes you bastard!' or something. | ||
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I understand what you're getting at, but when the host explicitly announces something in the thread and then not too long after someone makes a post about something, I'm guessing they read and understood that post. | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think they would in general, but especially when they're already under the magnifying glass as hopeless had been with Marv's case. It's pretty bold. just to note, my case came after Hopeless did that | ||
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On February 17 2013 22:18 ObviousOne wrote: Is there anything about Coag at this point that you want my opinion on? I've listed him in my current scum team along with grush, the one player we seem to agree on at this point. Is there enough here to get a meta read on him? Not that I'm suggesting I go with a meta read alone as a case on Coag. Simply asking it its worth the effort in his case. as far as i can see, artanis agrees with me that grush is likely to be town. i don't know why you won't research him / listen to me on him yourself. | ||
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On February 18 2013 01:53 WeWinMafia wrote: what do you make of this Matt? From the looks of it (I'm busy right now, no time to check) he was the 2nd person to vote Yamato overall. Really early as well. I'm having trouble picturing him doing that as mafia. My PoV really short: I think we've got a mafia vet, as we do in pretty much every game. Actually I'm fairly certain but you have to figure that stuff out yourself. Asking the right kind of question might help. Said mafia vet is most likely going to be either Marv or Coag imo. I'd still lean on Marv given yesterday. About the not so active players: I don't really want to lynch Vivax and Matt because of what I already said. Vivax because of the above quote. Matt because mafias don't usually risk getting themselved modkilled and pull a RoL instead. So that leaves Grush and OO right now. I'd LOVE lynching Grush but I'm going to sleep over that one to calm down a little... Anyways I'm off playing some game of thrones boardgame with a couple of friends. See you tomorrow. go look at kita's database. this is empirically a false statement. | ||
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this has a higher chance of being right than I thought at the daypost, since some of the guys I thought were mafia-y have been less mafia-y. *crosses fingers* | ||
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My reads are bad this game so I don't mind dying. I'll give some remaining reads tomorrow. | ||
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This will be the only game in the history of TL Mafia where a mafia has the longest filter right? Well, wrong. But we killed 2 mafia in 2 days (no thanks to me) so whatever | ||
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or do you mean it implicates me because risk jumped on the yamato wagon straight after me? | ||
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Feel free to lynch me today, I can see there's no getting out of that. But interact with me when I'm around as if I'm a townie. Don't just go "LOL HE IS MAFIA DON'T LISTEN" because in my time remaining in the game i'd quite like to be able to find the other mafia. deal? | ||
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say i flip town. what implications does that have about the other people on the yamato wagon? or doesn't it? | ||
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But sandroba just found nuke (super strong townie) and syllogism shot him (another super strong townie). So it's not like it matters too much if I die. As super suggests I'm not gonna bother saying the obvious reasons I'm town. Anyway, I have dinner, so I'll be around later to talk to y'all. sandroba, first up - thoughts on Hopeless now? (again, under the assumption I'm town, please. just think about it that way.) | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:08 sandroba wrote: Well it would be awesome if you could tell me that. We have one more flip to derive stuff from, how does that affect your reads? i have dinner right now. There's some things that changed since the daypost with my reads. I'm no longer so paranoid about Zessionar. I think super is just insane, so that's fine (no offence intended) I'm less red on coag, matt, and OO than I was then. Which is why I thought risk had a better chance of flipping mafia now. Actually I kinad desperately want Hopeless to be mafia, because that would make at least one read i have right. I still really think grush is town. Toad... well, Toad. his 'vig shot' on me stunt is the kinda shit he pulls as town all the time. and i can understand him being upset if i apparently think he's mafia for no reason. the thing is, when i flip town, that'll be marv/zess/sand/syllo who all apparently flipped town. Hiro still looks ok for pushing yamato. that's all off the top of my head. see you all later | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:37 sandroba wrote: Yo marv I got a proposition for you. Scum RB is dead so syllo can shoot tonight. How about you get a mafia for us that we can agree on, if the dude flips green syllo shoots your face and we dont need to waste another day wondering what if. Sounds good? I'm ok with this, as long as what syllo posted isn't a problem. If I can't find a mafia after 2 flips then I deserve to be killed for being bad anyways | ||
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On February 18 2013 09:16 Zessionar wrote: Wait a second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOAD!!! GET YOUR ASS IN HERE :D we need to talk mister. I got jailed and got no notification. You claimed a RB, that means you got a notification. You said you faked the shot. So tell me, what did you do instead of shooting :-( Obviously you only get RB-notifications if you actually try to do something. hi. you know, the way TL often works, and the way bugs usually runs his setups - bugs usually runs ALL his setups that roleblocks are notified regardless of whether you had a role. something to think about. i totally believe grush's claim (did you see the start of the day when he kept saying about ppl claiming rbs and shots), so...... | ||
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On February 18 2013 09:20 HiroPro wrote: mm, you're saying Toad is lying. bingo | ||
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On February 18 2013 09:16 Zessionar wrote: Obviously you only get RB-notifications if you actually try to do something. my point being that this bit here isn't usually the case in bugs' games, usually RBs are notified whether you have a role or not | ||
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On February 18 2013 09:35 Zessionar wrote: actually Toad and I talk about some stuff from time to time and we're laughing about everyone else and McNürnbergers But right now i am not sure... What's the benefit for scum to do that... And even claim a RB after that... I think that's a little bit too much stuff don't you think? ahhh I will reread that situation... I have some things in mind that could have happened... yeah, that's my problem with the toad mafia theory. i don't understand at all why he'd pretend to shoot me at all. | ||
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On February 18 2013 20:21 Zessionar wrote: okay, I just handed in my paper, now I'll finally get some sleep and after that I will have a really close look at marv and EVERYONE else ;-) Let me save you the trouble. marv really looks like a townie because he has a very long filter, and is clearly interested and invested in what's going on with town. However, he voted weirdly, and he keeps soft-defending mafia, so he really looks like mafia. Conclusion: He is town because of his investment etc., despite the fact he keeps soft-defending mafia. He is mafia, because he keeps soft-defending mafia and voting was dumb, and his whole play is an act. Just choose one and be done with it | ||
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On February 18 2013 21:49 Zessionar wrote: hahaha, yes that's what I've already said but I hope to find some more townpoints :-( you forgot toads move and your reaction and the scumroleblockers reaction :-/ I didn't forget, I called Toad a moron, and then I dumped my (bad) reads. What I said is what it comes down to anyways. I didn't think risk was mafia because it seemed insane to me for mafia to complain about a mafia lynch. | ||
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On February 18 2013 05:01 Mattchew wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity you appear to be voting for me. care to explain? | ||
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On February 18 2013 22:14 ObviousOne wrote: ##vote Hopeless1der Hopeless or Coag for me. And Coag's just being Coag apparently. Artanis disagreed with my read of Hopeless based on his town meta, but I'm just gonna agree to disagree for right now since he hasn't kept up that action. what are you seeing townie in matt? | ||
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On February 18 2013 22:28 syllogism wrote: It's hard to say as that would also narrow the field of realistically possible mafia candidates and him ignoring mattchew is only a small aspect of his play that makes him a candidate. Doing such an evaluation before the flip seems like a waste of time though. ok, I'll rephrase. why do you think matt is more likely mafia than hopeless? | ||
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On February 18 2013 21:48 Mattchew wrote: It means that grush is not his normal troll star senses self... He's being more serious then his town meta normally is to me. No I don't think he is guiding the town but I feel like he has somewhat tried to which I don't believe town grush would do this is some of the most terrible meta analysis i've seen | ||
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On February 18 2013 22:36 syllogism wrote: He has less content, hopeless seems a bit more involved and I'm lazy; I haven't really put that much thought into weighing my options today as it seems like we can lynch all the possibilities and still win. How about you tell me why you apparently think hopeless1der is the better lynch today? Well, I can't explain super-well, some of it is feeling. Like I don't know what agenda matt has been pushing. He called coag/OO town at a point they were potential mislynches, and at a time where mafia needs potential mislynches. In contrast, Hopeless manner of posting still feels a bit off to me, plus he clearly pushed agenda on Day 1 of trying to get Zess lynched with a serious case. And his involvement has totally dropped off since. I'm not that confident in these feelings, because of what sandroba mentinoed about matt not mentioning yamato, about matt's strange list of who he would have lynched, and because of his unexplained sheep on to me. So probably because i have stronger feelings that hopeless is mafia, then it's actually matt :/ | ||
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it just remains that i've basically been pushing mafia agenda all game anyway, so you might have to kill me for that, and that's fine. if you think i'm scum from my general play, you have too much respect for my scumplay. | ||
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I'd never let myself look awful over yamato. lol. | ||
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On February 18 2013 23:01 sandroba wrote: Yeah, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself of that =/ how do you feel about hopeless over matt? | ||
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On February 18 2013 23:15 Zessionar wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206¤tpage=42 marv. What did you think when you read Toads message? not a lot. maybe he's vig, maybe he's not. maybe toad's being an ass. | ||
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why bother? | ||
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On February 18 2013 23:51 sandroba wrote: things I find weird about toad: -way less engaged than in the previous game, way less posts -doesn't engage in convos with me/syllo at any point -doesn't seem glad that we just murdered a scum -wagon d1 never got traction despite yamato's wagon @ 5 votes -no mention of him by any of the flipped scum -me/syllo against zess wagon, yet flipped scum chose it instead of wwm -focus on marv for most of the game with charts about late switch etc, but never mentions risk who did the same and had an atrocious filter there is more, but that's it from the top of my head These two are really important... dunno if you remember in LIX, but Toad was basically really desperate to be with the "in-crowd" of you/me/bugs. Here he doesn't seem to care at all that he's outside of the 'circle'. | ||
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Why do that as mafia?? | ||
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risk flipped framer/roleblocker, so maybe he could only do one action, and he framed someone? I dunno | ||
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On February 19 2013 00:11 Zessionar wrote: well if someone is the man for these things as scum it's toad. only his evil and paranoid scummind can forge such a wierd plan and execute it... but it still is unlikely... if toad were scum he'd be more active right now just because of the excitement. towntoad loses interest in games pretty fast that are working out too well or too bad :-o not true, at least not in LIX. We shat all over mafia and Toad was extremely active for the entire game | ||
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My only worry with the Toad scum theory is his fake-shot on me, really. syllo pointed out interactions with Matt that he didn't like. But also with Hopeless, Toad wrote him off as a kinda 'slight townread' and then never mentions him again at all. | ||
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I want to lynch Toad, and if I'm wrong, grush JKs syllogism and syllo shoots me immediately the next day starts. Are we on? | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:00 Vivax wrote: Deal? don't even care if you have a green check ##Unvote ##Vote: WeWinMafia | ||
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i'm totally happy with that. | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote: ##vote: vivax scumdayvig it all makes sense. GG viv. Vivax had a 6 page filter in the whole LVIII, 9 pages here. i think he's town. | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:09 Zessionar wrote: no... you're right about vivax... but toad is town, too... :-( is toad town because i'm mafia? if so then it doesn't matter because you can lynch me today | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:09 Zessionar wrote: no... you're right about vivax... but toad is town, too... :-( then why are you voting vivax? | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:16 sandroba wrote: man i would be so cool if you are mafia too =P you know i'm not though ##Unvote ##Vote: Hopeless1der going for 2/2 | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:18 HiroPro wrote: you're 1 for 3 bro. can't turn that into 2 for 2. I mean today, no need to be bitchy. I still voted for yamato remember | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:24 HiroPro wrote: Because it would give me satisfaction. No but in all seriousness I'm too lazy to explain and thankfully I don't have to. The short answer is unless you think that every single mafia player voted for yamato, hopeless is town. hmm that's not a bad point. | ||
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##Unvote #Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:33 Vivax wrote: So long? It's day 2 even if it looks like an eternity of a game. haha indeed. btw you're my hero Vivax, my hand of justice. Today I <3 you | ||
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so... my case on Vivax day 1 was right after all, the one I pushed right up to the deadline... Toad too... bleh. | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:49 HiroPro wrote: push 2 cases on scum but get blamed for opposing another one rofl. I guess that's the way shit happens. I really did think Vivax was a better lynch day 1, and I guess I was kinda right and everyone else was right about yamato, so meh. town rape all round | ||
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On February 19 2013 01:55 Vivax wrote: My first thoughts when knowing my team were: This is Bugs revenge for my play in LIX. it is a little depressing that my read of "you're not being a maniac = scum" was right ;p edit: I thought you played really well vivax On February 16 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax join me guys. we can do this. and i'm right. eeeeeeeeeeeh | ||
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I think maybe town had too much KP? | ||
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clearly not as he died the next day anyway  | ||
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edit: Clearly it was a good move, btw, as it was what gave me my only doubts about Toad. But for it to be properly brilliant, it has to work | ||
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gg though, i bitch out of love | ||
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On February 19 2013 02:51 Mattchew wrote: Sorry for lack of activity and lack of vote ... I am having major family health issues right now and shouldn't have been in this game after they started... No excuses though, vivax was scum (looking at you syllo) i'm glad i was uneasy about killing you | ||
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after the game it all kinda washes away and i don't care anymore. | ||
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On February 19 2013 08:09 Acrofales wrote: Oh, this ended superfast and abruptly. Gratz town! Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. to the bold: well i got unlucky. but vivax was my push day 1 and toad day 2, so it was quite decent really ^^ edit: srsly, wtf "normally marv" :< if town had sheeped me like normal i'd have lynched mafia day 1 and 2 | ||
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On February 19 2013 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I'd like to congratulate marv for not losing his cool this game. I don't know if it's because of the fact that respected vets were alive or what, but generally as town when marv gets run up he's all insults and condescension. it's called resignation. if sandroba and syllogism want you dead, then you dead. | ||
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On February 19 2013 09:41 Promethelax wrote: Marv is sometimes nice to me. Seriously though, a bunch of people of really big dicks in game and all of the ones I've spoken to out of game are really nice guys. Why don't we all collectively get over it? we are all over it. it's just the game :x big personalities and a lot of ppl with a really high will-to-win drive | ||
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Certainly the utter rout that occurred was not because of the setup. | ||
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