EPTOn February 15 2013 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Marv, are you still planning to lynch me/make a case?
Marv, are you still planning to lynch me/make a case?
possibly. i'm in the middle of it and havent' decided if it makes you mafia yet.
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possibly. i'm in the middle of it and havent' decided if it makes you mafia yet. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:00 sandroba wrote: @marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me. @syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town. I'm not "sure" he's town. I endorsed him not posting to see if he would post anyway despite having my permission not to, which he did. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:24 sandroba wrote: The post on vivax's stuff was quite perseptive and involved checking timestamps and shit, which is not the kind of bullshit mafia normally throws around or even go through the trouble of checking. Here is a post from Hopeless from ACME Mafia, where he was godfather: + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Release's first game ever on TL, opening postTown: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 09:08 Release wrote: You say that you are for a vote, but you state that your other vote was luck based. Considering you said "very luck based", doesn't that mean to say that we are not going to experience the same luck? If we don't experience the same luck, we will very much end up lynching a townie, which makes your "for a vote" seem like you want to lynch a townie. Also, why are you talking about the last game? You should be more concerned with this game and find out ways for pointing out scum rather than ways not to. This seems more like filler. The useful part of your post can be summarized by: We should have a lynch today. A no-lynch would be detrimental. ##FOS: Mordanis Fairly similar to his attack on kush this game. 2nd game Town, he spends most of the game tunneling grush. Way more 1-liners, inconclusive to the current situation 3rd game Vig, he gets in my face pretty early, but generally tried to keep talking. Also cited activity issues due to school? 4th game Town, + Show Spoiler + On July 05 2012 08:58 Release wrote: I think YourHarry is Grush's new alias. Ignoring the copy-pasted policy stuff for now, Why on earth did you even post that scenario stuff about a VT fake-claiming a DT or blue? There was absolutely no indication that anyone had even planned on that (especially considering you had the first post). If anything, you have just shown people something they can do (to the detriment of the town). And why go through the casework? It's just fluff and you know it. This is very much a post looking like a contribution, while being a non-contribution, or even an anti-contribution. Im pretty sure, again, that no one was even remotely close to voting in a way to force a nolynch. I love the bolded line; you could have kept this post simple and concise. But you decided to make it "super-duper long." ##vote: Lazermonkey Yourharry, you should do more than OMGUS. You are definitely rivaling, for scumminess, against lazer. Fos: yourharry Fos: lazermonkey Keep in mind, he's already spent a game tunneling grush, from what I can tell, it was related to fake-claims. Opens with hostility and a vote. To be fair, I don't think he's ever rolled scum, but his jumping out of the gate fighting looks like hes town yet again. He's never played with kush before. He also explained that he expects people to NOT derp all over the thread when they post here: + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. Sadly, kush is unable to meet that requirement. My "meta" read is that this strong aggression is in fact representative of town release. Keeping in mind that there are no scum games to compare with, I'm not willing to vote Release for his posts against kush. i also agree with this from Zealos: I think I have a handle on this mason claim shitfest. I'm rereading this through more carefully because I just kind of glanced the thread over, but I think I'm going to be voting Muso in a moment. As you can see, he took the time to research a whole bunch of Release's games, providing commentary on all of them. Therefore in Hopeless' case, I believe sandroba's reasoning to be false. Anyway, it's been pointed out before, this is a complete over-reaction: On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much? Since when are random votes thrown out at the beginning of the game "scummy as fuck"? It happens in virtually every game, some random shit vote, and most of the time it comes from a townie. It's not a natural reaction to me. Mostly the other thing I've picked up on is the way he constructs his posts. It's very careful in places. Here is his filter from Mario Mafia, where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=123725¤tpage=All Most of the language is casual. You won't find posts like this in that filter: On February 14 2013 23:09 Hopeless1der wrote: I do not believe the exercise to be pointless, but your distasteful response has been noted. It's so uncasual it's almost unbelievable. On February 14 2013 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote: I kind of share Mattchew's condition of being generally unable to read Marv day1. His choice of giving him a green check is like a placeholder saying 'do not lynch', not an actual town read. (At least that is my interpretation) Nothing scummy about it to me, as he seems to be interested in picking marv's brain at some point. Yamato seems to genuinely not know about the sandro/syllo dynamic: Assuming that yamato doesn't know of their ability to read one another (S/S), this question seems reasonable as risk alluded to the relationship. I don't mind risk defending himself by calling himself bad scum because Zess didn't justify anything in either his vote or his followup. I personally read that as an attack against Zess, not a defense. I also disagree that Zess was strictly joking about it, as he still maintains that he kind of has reasons that he wont divulge. Vivax, show me these "bad posts" from WWM (WeWinMafia) please. I have a slight bone to pick. I know they're kind of in your filter, but I'd like you to do it again if you'd be so kind. I've highlighted everything in this post that I find uncharacteristic from a town Hopeless. It's all either careful or constructed. Here are two quotes from this game and another game, where he was mafia: On February 15 2013 00:09 Hopeless1der wrote: This is where I'd probably play the "Why don't you go read my filter" card, but I suspect you've done that and you're fishing for my ##Vote: Zessionar Is this acceptable? On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, being facetious is awesome. Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you? Minor on its own, but it's the similarity of the kinda sarcastic asking for permission. Anyway, here is his filter from ACME, where he was godfather: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=123725¤tpage=All I find the construction of his posts there far more similar to those here than from the Mario game where he was town. Generally speaking for this game alone, I find his early push on Zess over the top, his posts overly constructed, and then despite having 'pressured' Zessionar all game, drops it at the drop of the hat in order to drop a vote on easy target yamato. There's no explanation why Zessionar is now apparently not a good target. I think this guy is mafia. ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:15 syllogism wrote: His conversations with marvel seem somewhat genuine, in that if marvel is mafia, toad is slightly less likely to be. I'm up for lynching him though, due to what I said earlier and him posting quite a bit without the content being in any way useful. it's maybe not that relevant, but last time Toad was mafia (in Chrono, you were there) he decided to make me one of his main targets to pick a bone with. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:32 syllogism wrote: I still don't like this post by him and the longer post in which he explains it and some other things seems overdone. Another thing that makes Yamato a compelling lynch are his interactions with Marv. Marv questioned him a bit after I called yamato out for this post, but it was pretty weak and he didn't go anywhere with it. He also seemed to jump on anyone who voted yamato. I may be overreading because that would be a rather audacious mafia strategy, but I think Marvel should have been suspicious of yamato at that stage. Yet he seemed more worried about the people voting for him, in a way that looked exaggerated to me. Please provide evidence for all of this. Because it's not how I recall anything happening at all. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:36 sandroba wrote: Meh, that post it really seems like he was trying to trap vivax, which is clearly different from that post you quoted from acme, in which despite doing research, he reaches no conclusion, nor pushes anybody. I'll give you that the "That's scummy as fuck post" looks fake and I'd like him to explain why he made such post and why he moved his vote from Zess to yamato. The rest of the case on phrase construction I'm not sure is relevant to be honest, since the pool you looked is very small and I doubt you took the sweet time to really read most of the posts he made. As I'm unwilling to do such task myself I'm just gonna ignore that supposed evidence. I observed Acme closely, and I played with him in Mario, and I've played several other games with him before. Your dismissal is unwarranted. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:38 Zessionar wrote: No he's right. What he's saying makes perfect sense... I asked you to give some more reasoning for your vote on jiro (was that hiro? i believe so) when he voted yamato for no reason. I didn't think about it back then, but syllo hit the nail right on the head. You look so confident that yamato is town, that you don't even try to question yamato before you "counter-vote" hiros vote. You know what i am saying... that's pretty scummy of you btw :D as in, whether yamato is town or mafia is irrelevant to how hiro made his vote | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:39 syllogism wrote: You were hostile towards Vivax and Hiropro for their yamato votes. It may be just a coincidence and more to do with their lack of justification but I think vivax looked much better than yamato at the time, which is why I expected you to be more interested in pressuring yamato more. Anyway, it's not particularly relevant today as I'm not willing to lynch or even push you today and overall the evidence is quite tenuous. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794746 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794796 right, it's this. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:42 Zessionar wrote: no i don't think so: If Hiro votes scum for absolutely no reason, that's not scummy at all. If hero votes town for no reason, that's scummy. no, that's just wrong. | ||
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your point of view only has any credence if you know people's alignments ahead of time, which I don't, and unless you're mafia, you don't either. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:49 Zessionar wrote: let's just settle right here with the result that your vote on hiro was strange and syllo delivered one reasonable explanation. I don't want to overeact to this... no, because i disagree. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:53 sandroba wrote: @marv How confident are you that hopeless is scum? Quite confident. I'd still have my hands over my eyes at the flip, though. In any case, this recent burst of posting has made me think you're more likely town, while I don't get syllo at all. I'd lynch Toad with you if you're confident. I won't lynch outside of these 2 players. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:20 HiroPro wrote: w/e you either believe me or you don't. i don't understand at all what you or artanis think my motivation would be as mafia to even say that i recognized him if my intention was to hide information from town. I don't agree with marvel's case on hopeless. I'm not sure why he picked mario mafia to look at because hopeless played in LVIII and he had a very strange opening in that game with his going on about policy lynching in the beginning. His thing about super going after risk seems very similar to me. Also, I don't think he would be so insistent in badgering marv about making a case if he was mafia. I chose mario because it's a mini, unlike LVIII. I also disagree that he was particularly 'insistent'. Actually it's natural for either a town or a mafia player would want to know if i was making a case on him. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:24 Mattchew wrote: @marv OK i just read your case on hopeless. He is using weak language and I agree with the facts you presented to draw your conclusions. I would like you to expand on why your ok with artanis @vivax Currently toad and zess are sitting neutral to me, neither are more lynchworthy than hopeless (marv's case), artanis (my thoughts), or grush (just cause, grush.) Oo I havent read seems interested, asking questions, making some analysis. Vote is jumping around quite a bit too, usually mafia don't do that so much. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:31 HiroPro wrote: Right but LVIII is more recent and the opening situation is much more similar to this game in my opinion. Do you not feel the same way? Like the beginning of Mario from what I see is just very casual in general. It seems natural that he would post in a more casual manner there. This: On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? is quite different to this: On February 14 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah so he didn't RNG shit. Scummy as fuck much? | ||
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right, both those quotes are disbelief, wtf moments. Here he is specifically calling it "scummy as shit", in LVIII he quite clearly did not. | ||
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