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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote: OH REALLY? I unvoted 9-bit because I realized I didn't want to lynch a zero-post player. And I didn't think I was going to pressure him any further. I've voted for 2 people in 48 hours. That is hardly casting my vote about. Would you please calm down? I'm responding to you calmly, and you're freaking out and tunneling me hardcore. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 08:08 cDgCorazon wrote: And you blame me for not reading your filter... Dude, I was responding to sylvencia, not you. Please calm down. | ||
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warbaby
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I reject any active players as candidates today. It just doesn't make sense to lynch someone D1 who is trying to contribute to town. I've already given my two LAL candidates, repeatedly: sylvencia: his last post does not de-lurk him IMO, it added nothing to the discussion that hasn't already been said. I'm not OMGUS'ing him, I just think he's still effectively lurking. sevryn: I don't see a lot of value to his posts, his case on glurio makes no sense to me. he has been a little more consistent about going after glurio, and is trying to make novel contributions, so he's #2 for my LAL candidate. If you want a #3: Mandalor. Not very far behind sevryn. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you expecting him to change his vote? In my opinion, WB is kind of locked into Sylencia because it's the only person he has really targeted... Like I've said repeatedly, sevryn would be an acceptable secondary target for me. I still think sylencia's posting is not doing anything to move discussion forward. he doesn't need to defend himself, he needs to demonstrate that he's putting work into hunting scum. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 08:45 Mocsta wrote: I dont think either of them will be present right now due to timezones. Fingers crossed they are here before the lynch but. Sylencia posted like 10 minutes ago. Are you confusing him with sevryn? | ||
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Sylencia is still not contributing, but I think sevryn is really, really close. I'd be more comfortable voting sevryn than Mandalor. | ||
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warbaby
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##vote: sevryn Basically for the same reasons as my earlier vote on sylencia, except now sylencia is posting and sevryn still hasn't. And I think sevryn voting for glurio and then taking off past deadline is just wack. And then glurio getting wagoned, I don't like that. I don't think glurio is lurking as bad as he did as scum last game. I really wish glurio would cast a vote, though. I'm surprised he's holding off for this long. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote: With reasoning like that, i could think you're not voting for Glurio because I am. Come on, if you want to be pro-town, stimulate discussion, walk me through why my reasoning is wack I did, a while ago, in this post. Glurio is not lurking like he did in the last game, and I don't think you can claim to vote him as an active scum right now. So I don't see why you're voting glurio. Anyway, I never said your reasoning was wack. I said the Glurio wagon you are on was wack. You're not the only one on the wagon. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote: Look, we need a game plan moving forward; this obviously wasnt ideal can i suggest we stop talking about blues (im looking at you sn0)... with NK this cycle; lets not help out the scum pls warbaby you were the only person dead set against glurio (that commented) Can you please give more reason than meta to why you thuoght he was town; you said my reasoning was sound, yet you refused to jump on... I want to know why. I never said I thought he was town, I said I didn't think he was scum. My read wasn't any better than null, in the post I linked earlier. You insinuating I called him town is putting WIFOM into my mouth, which is not what I said. One of the people that lynched glurio is scum. I refuse to believe 3 towns lynched him. We need to focus on: Sevryn Mocsta cdgCorazon And perhaps we can find a scum. It's fine if you guys still want to make cases on me, but I didn't just lynch a townie. Sevryn seems the most questionable. He really needs to post a lot more to show he's not a lurky scum. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 10:09 Mocsta wrote: True, i just read the post again; sorry for the misrepresentation. That you stood up for me, made me think you thought he was town. Not sure why you would step in to defend a "null' read; even now with hindsight, thats an odd move to make. Because why would I lynch, or agree to the lynch of, someone I have a null read on, when there are lurkers like sylencia (at the time) and sevryn still in the game? I tried to debunk the wack "glurio is a blendy scum like last game" wagon, and failed. It's not that I thought he was town, it was that I thought he was going to be lynched for incorrect reasons, compared to the other candidates. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 13 2013 10:18 Mocsta wrote: Right, so if I read right; it wasnt that you was sticking up for Glurio, it was that you wanted your wagon to take off (i.e Sylencia/Sevryn) If so, I can accept that. if you were sticking up for Glurio because he was null; thats really an odd thing to do (even with your explanation) I would have been happy with a wagon on sylencia or sevryn, or possibly zarepath and mandalor. I thought they were all potentially lurking harder/playing outside their normal town meta, moreso than glurio. Sorry bud, you're the one on the wagon that just lynched a town, not me. I don't need to explain my D1 votes any more (I explained them when I made them, so just check my filter). You need to explain your vote. You just lynched an active town player because you thought he was playing lurky scum like last game, no? But how can he be lurkier than players with 50% less posts? | ||
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warbaby
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Let's see what sevryn has to say. | ||
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On February 14 2013 01:30 Sn0_Man wrote: I'd be more inclined to call cora scum for all this if he didn't play so spectacularly poorly as town last game that I was forced to blue-claim to prevent his mislynch. I sort of agree, but I also think Cora's play is less aggressive than last game. I'm going to look at all of his past games, and see if there is any pattern to the meta that's relevant here. Geript's case on Cora does strike me as a little bit odd, the way it relies on comments by WoS, Mocsta, and Sn0, and not just Corazon's actions and posts on their own. Anyway I'm voting sevryn on D2 if he continues to lurk, and do stuff like drop a vote for terrible reasons and disappear for extended periods (including deadline). I stand by my assertion that there's a good chance one of the people voting Glurio were scum. The votes were very spread out, but I can't see how a scum would resist the temptation to either lead a bandwagon on Glurio, or drive one home. I'm going to busy again at work today, and not fully with the thread until 5PM EST. I'll do my best to make some more posts before N1 is out (I still have some things to say about sevryn, but I want to hear from him first). | ||
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Thoughts on a few other players: + Show Spoiler [Mocsta] + Mocsta is the remaining glurio wagoner that I didn't comment on above. I think his play is a lot like his scum play in XXXV. I'm just getting done with work, so I haven't taken the time to pick his filter apart yet, and review his meta in all games. But I've noticed he's a lot less aggressive as town sometimes (especially compared to his early D1 play this game). I also don't like the way he tried to box us into "pick 2 lurkers and 2 actives to lynch" as D1 was finishing. This is a ridiculous suggestion IMO -- if there are legit lurkers around we shouldn't even be discussing lynching an active on D1 (barring an egregious scumslip of which there have been none). It seems like he was trying to egg us on into lynching an active player (saving his scumteam from having to kill that active player with a night action?). If I'm alive D2 I'll put a lot more effort into analyzing Mocsta. + Show Spoiler [sylencia] + Still lurking hardcore. 1 post 22 hours into N1? Claims to have done an analysis on me, but I don't see an analysis on me in his filter. Why did he only de-lurk at the end of D1 when "his head was on the chopping block" (in his own words)? Was he reading the thread but not posting before that? I'm leaning scum on sylencia. + Show Spoiler [Mandalor] + Still lurking, but not that bad. I don't see overt scum motivation in his posts and actions, but I wish he would participate a lot more. + Show Spoiler [Sn0_man] + Null read. He's active, considering many angles, questioning multiple players. If he's scum he's blending in extremely well. + Show Spoiler [geript] + Basically the same as sn0_man, except he's a bit less active, and thorough in his analyses. + Show Spoiler [zarepath] + His play seems very analogous to my last game with him, when he was town. His bait and switch fake case was well executed on D1. He's been making posts that are useful to town, IMO. Maybe I have some kind of bias after I did a doctor save on him last game, because I want to lean town on zarepath. But a null read would be more rational. + Show Spoiler [WoS] + Like sn0_man, he seems to be keeping an open mind. I like this post. A scum knows the essence (alignment) of the flip already. If WoS is scum, it's a cute trick to act like he's excited to see the flip. Not saying he's town, but he's definitely not got the scummiest filter in the game right now. + Show Spoiler [ObviousOne] + I don't understand why he's concealing his ideas until D2, unless he's sure he won't be night killed (eg, he's scum). But his other posts make sense to me. Obviously I won't vote myself, but I might be interested in a sylencia lynch as O1 suggests. I'm totally burned out from work (dealing with unusually complex stuff this week), but I'll try to post some more of my thoughts before N1 is out. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 14 2013 10:18 ObviousOne wrote: @Warbaby, I am your fresh start. I want to put aside the chaos of yesterday and your claim and just move on with assessing your scumhunting, so show me what you've got. I see that there is some action regarding taking a closer look at you from Mocsta and Sylencia, but I encourage you to give me some reads and I will take them for what they are worth without considering the D1 shitstorm. I'm still busy with work =/ I gave some reads here. I'll try to follow up like I said I would, when I'm done with work (hopefully soon). I like your post here on sylencia. By his reactions, I imply that he's been paying attention to the thread, but not posting a lot. This is active lurking, which I find scummy. Anyway I've said enough about sylencia for now, when I get around to posting more I'll make sure it's about other players. The double kill is interesting, but I haven't really digested it yet. It might make sense for vig to claim now (if there is one), since their bullet is spent. It could help eliminate speculation around an SK, although it would give scum some information =/ If there is an SK, we should consider being more careful posting null or town reads. With any luck the SK will nail a scum. | ||
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warbaby
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At first I wasn't sure about ObviousOne's vig claim, but there's a decent case for why ObviousOne is probably not vig. Vig should have claimed earlier to clear up SK speculation, especially since the vig is single-bullet. I'm buying this argument. It's possible TestSubject is lying hardcore with his claim and case, but that would be an even more daring gambit than ObviousOne fake claiming vig to save his scum/SK ass. ##Vote: ObviousOne Hopefully I will not be as IRL busy tomorrow (12 hour workday today =/) and can put more effort into the game. I'm heading to bed now. | ||
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On February 14 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further. The rebels shall bow before the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation. Unacceptable. If you are SK your wincon is to kill everyone. The way I see it, unless TestUser is lying, there is nothing to negotiate with you except how many years dungeon you're going to get. Durr I'm actually going to bed now T_T | ||
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