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warbaby
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I agree with geript, with the exemption that some any super obvious scumslip on D1 should be lynchable. We can still "scumhunt" D1, but it is very probable we won't succeed. With any luck there will be an obvious lurker and we can just lynch them D1. Lurking town is useless, and really terrible scum tend to lurk too. | ||
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e: probably still easily fake-able (even live) if you're a video processing wizard, but I don't really know (I'm a software wizard by profession  ) | ||
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warbaby
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I'm not sold on RNG though, and I think using a predetermined RNG from the pre-game is probably cheating. The difference between (unmanipulated) RNG and trying to lynch a scum (absent an obvious scumslip) is huge. Scums use their information advantage to lead the bandwagon on D1 to make sure a town is lynched. They can use multiple town targets to obfuscate their voting patterns. True RNG is random, which a D1 "scumhunt" will never be. e: To clarify, a true RNG has a chance of hitting scum D1. Absent terribly bad scum play, trying to hunt scum D1 has a 100% chance of lynching a town (although there can be information in the voting patterns). | ||
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warbaby
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e: not to be a jerk, but you've made your proposal and we need to hear from the other players (and maybe a host) on whether your proposal is acceptable. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 10 2013 16:23 Mocsta wrote: OooO Warbaby you were meant to be my clone. The line is drawn in the sand I see. Its Ok my dear  On February 10 2013 16:21 warbaby wrote: e: not to be a jerk, but you've made your proposal and we need to hear from the other players (and maybe a host) on whether your proposal is acceptable. | ||
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warbaby
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The idea could have had some merit. Lynching scum D1 is not likely, and a properly run RNG (used as a last resort) could have a higher probability to actually hit a scum than the alternatives. That aside, I'm surprised people aren't talking about lynching lurkers more. It seems like an especially useful strategy in newbie games, where the scum may be inexperienced and literally afraid to post (see the post-game comments in nmm36 by glurio and slayalot). Obviously there can be lurking town, too (omg I signed up for this insane game and now I have to read 100 posts a day? cya!) On February 10 2013 16:56 cDgCorazon wrote: No RNG. Lynch the scummiest players always. Keep it simple fellas. So are lurkers scummy? I'm not sure I'd agree 100%. You can't keep it too simple. | ||
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warbaby
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1: instead of killing me D1 and preventing my N1 save on zarepath, that is. edit: not to imply that you were going to kill me D1, just an as example of what D1 scumreads are like. I thought acid might be scummy in '36 d1 but I was also wrong. | ||
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warbaby
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I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Hopefully these simple points will help create a constructive town atmosphere.
I failed on the last 2 points in NMM 36, so I'm going to try to improve in that regard. I also will be more busy with work than I was during NMM 36, so I may not be posting as often (I'll try to make up for this by making higher quality posts). GLHF everyone  P.S. Voting me for being terrible is clearly a great strategy. Waka waka! | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 09:53 glurio wrote: My take on policy lurker lynch is the same as always: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. Glurio posted this last game and I still agree with this rubric. Also whatever guys, if you want to vote me for posting good ideas for town that you agree with, go ahead. That's why I got mislynched in '36 and now it's up for nomination as the worst lynch in 2013. I suppose you want to top '36 by mislynching me D1? :D | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 09:50 cDgCorazon wrote: Seriously can we drop the RNG shit? It's stupid to even think about it. Why play mafia if we are going to sit around and let RNG play the game instead of us? Seconded. If we were going to do RNG we had negotiate it pre-game (to avoid scums manipulating it). We failed. There's no way I can agree to RNG now. | ||
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warbaby
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9-Bit Sevryn Macheji zarepath * Mandalor * * = expressed in pre-game that they would not be around at the start of D1 Start time was not a surprise; the non-* players should be posting soon please :D | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 13:30 Mocsta wrote: warbaby, if I may come out of hibernation. Thanks for the updated summary list. So far, you are the guy I dont like the most and I am going to outline the reasons below. #1 - In your entry you specified its direct from your last town game (i.e. soft claim for town) If you want to re-use ice-breakers, do it... why specify its from your town game #2 - Summary lists are an easy way to contribute, without contributing All of us can easily do a filter click, off page1 + its pretty obvious we going through a USA/Europe vs Oceania shift #3 - You even make comments alluding you to your "good ideas = town play" concept from your last game Why are you trying SO SO hard to associate your self with being town? The above is not worthy of a vote (yet), but I would appreciate your feedback to the above. So you have a problem with me claiming that I'm being pro-town? You clearly did not read the post-game analysis in '36. Claiming town is not a scummy thing to do. Would you prefer I claim scum? That's not possible since it would be suiciding as town (which is against town wincon) and suiciding as scum (which is against scum wincon). I'm not trying to trick you into thinking I'm town. I had to defend myself against these ridiculous claims in '36, until I was finally mislynched for it. Unlike you, I am not beating around the bush and posting a bunch of crap about RNG and whining about other people's efforts to promote a useful town environment. I'm listing lurkers because Corazon did it D1 in '36 and it was helpful. Corazon was town in '36 and so am I, right now, in '37. | ||
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warbaby
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It is the town, and it's members shall think for themselves and analyze the thread before doing stupid things. Please. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote: warbaby, perhaps I am over-reading things; but when I last played scum, I did a very similar tact to yourself. Hence, I am a bit more aware of the cues to look out for. Yes, you are over-reading things. Your scum play, which failed (and thus is not worthy of being copied) seemed to be based on posting so much off-base over analysis of everything that you literally drowned out any voice of reason in the legitimate town. My posts so far have either been suggesting ways town can play better (my first post) or helping town keep track of who's posted, and who hasn't. Since we've both posted plenty, how about we not post for a while? | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Warbaby, this sure as hell is my town as I'm a part of it and I care about it. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm telling or leading people not to think for themselves or that I'm doing something stupid. That's cool. The more important point I was trying to make is that towns need to think for themselves -- cooperation is necessary but I also value an independent mind. Trying to boss people around at this point won't help, but you're right that you aren't the person doing that the most right now (I'd say it's Mocsta, but that's just his ego showing). | ||
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On February 11 2013 13:58 cDgCorazon wrote: @WB: Do you mean VT or some other blue role? If it makes you feel better, you have a 100% telling-the-truth rate when it comes to claiming roles. I won't claim my actual role right now (just that my alignment is not mafia rofl), but if we get to a point later (d2+) where others are considering claiming, I will not hesitate this time. | ||
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warbaby
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You guys are repeating your mistakes from 36, plain and simple. Maybe you're bad at mafia, and you're jealous that I actually tried to make contributions that could help town, instead of waving my dick around. I honestly don't give a shit anymore. Go ahead and mislynch me, so I can make fun of you all (again) in the obs qt. Maybe I'll even be named town MVP again (it's not hard with competition like this). | ||
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warbaby
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On February 11 2013 18:41 Sylencia wrote: If he's actually blue, dumb move unless he plans to Vig shot someone on night 1 and hoping for a 1:1 trade? Alternatively if he's a vet aiming to prolong the life of the town - but even then that's a questionable move. Being the SK with bulletproof wouldn't help too much since he will still end up suffering the same fate as the Vig of being shot over 2 nights. Helps town more than scum. VT taking a bullet for the team is also a possibility here, but I don't understand why such a seed needs to be planted to early on. Basically, I'm leaning towards either scum or vig on warbaby. Are you fucking dense? Scum already knows who the towns are. All I'm saying is I'm town. They (the scum) already know that. I could give away more information (like a blue role) later on, but I haven't done that yet. Why are you saying I'm claiming a blue role when I've done nothing of the sort? You must be fucking dense. | ||
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