EPTWho I am not voting for, btw.
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On February 13 2013 00:57 zarepath wrote: glurio, who are your top scum reads right now? This, pretty much. Assuming your weak case was a ploy, then great, but we still have no real scumhunting from you. People need to stop worrying about how townie I and/or others look and focus on hunting scum, especially since we haven't decided if we're active lynching or not. Glurio, the problem I see with you is even if you start posting now and move out of the 'lurker' category, you essentially just move from a lynchable lurker target to a lynchable active scum target. You'd better provide something concrete besides a 'slight town read' on me. | ||
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On February 13 2013 03:00 geript wrote: Zare, IIRC (on phone) Mocsta contrasted Warbaby and WoS. My point is a simple one: if I can be put on blast for 'setting up' sheep able cases for which I can put the blame on other people then I at least get credit for interest in having cases be made and heading towards the scum hunt. Can you honestly see anything in his filter that shows interest in more than having votes moved off of him and not making actual contributions to the scum hunt? I really don't want to waste time defending myself again so I'll keep it short. On February 12 2013 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't really expect my name to be cleared by my defense; I essentially deserve the accusations against me due to shitposting. All I can hope for is for people to stop looking in the wrong direction as scumreads become stronger and I prove myself. Fair. Now I've been looking at Sylencia's filter and he was one of the only people who came up with the best reason to turn down an RNG lynch (it mathematically favours scum) and performs and interesting analysis on warbaby's blue/maybe-not-blue claim but has contributed absolutely nothing else, short of a weak noncomittal accusation of warbaby. I was interested by his analysis though, and I'd like to see some more from him. My very first post after my admittedly shitty defense (which apparently worked, despite people pointing out otherwise, since people got off my back, except for you, of course). I accept my mistakes and only wish to move on, starting with the first post regarding Sylencia almost a full 24 hours ago. How is this not moving the scum hunt along, exactly? Since then I make a couple cases regarding glurio and warbaby and you choose to dump on one of them, fine. If you're so worried about contribution, however, where is yours? You only re-evaluate my case at my behest and have accomplished nothing else all day other than claiming WB is town. How is THIS moving the scumhunt along, exactly? The only person I directly talked to regarding the vote on me was you. I never pleaded or asked either you or Zare to change your votes; he did it on his own. You're welcome to keep your vote on me for the day but it will be wasted. I was fairly confident before Zare made his triumphant return that I would not be lynched D1 and now I am even more confident. | ||
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Probably better someone like Sn0/WB/Zare to answer this though, since they actually played the last game with him. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:01 Mandalor wrote: If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote Why cave so quickly when under such weak pressure? To me this looks like you found a quick out to change your vote to a 'better' target later on in the day. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:18 Mandalor wrote: That vote was very early in the game. I thought it might trigger a post out of an anxious player. It's odd how people felt that was an okay thing to do at the time and 24 hours later I'm getting tons of flak for this. Where were you guys yesterday? Like Sn0 said, there were more important things to focus on such as getting info out of people. In any case, as the deadline is fast approaching and everyone's vote is split completely evenly (those who have voted, anyway), votes really aren't gaining us a whole lot of information yet. They can be sort of nice to see who bandwagons as in Zare's case against me but even that didn't go as far as he (or I, for that matter) expected it to. Eventually people are going to have to commit, and then the fun begins. | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:23 Mandalor wrote: waitwaitwait I'm getting attacked for a pressure vote that's not pressuring and when I remove it (it's not working as intended obv) it's a quick out? Please take a step back and think about whether keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do. To be fair, Sn0 already addressed that at the top of the page. I was only seeing how you'd react, honestly. Now as far as keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do, are you referring to your 0-post lynch or mine? Because I know what I'm doing. Did you? | ||
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On February 13 2013 04:32 Sn0_Man wrote: ??? Do you think that maybe you should, you know, unvote now? Given that I helped clarify for you that your vote was dumb. My vote on Macheji stands. LAL and whatnot. | ||
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Sevryn has been tunneling Glurio REAL hard all game. The only post not directed at Glurio since yesterday was one talking about how he wants to see more from lurkers like Mandalor when they have contributed far more than he has. His filter is one page long and the first few posts are all game theory crap. Not linking here because you can check the filter yourself; real easy read. Now I don't like glurio this game either so I'm going to speculate a little. I don't believe they are both scum. If they were both scum and Sevryn implicates glurio, then he is in danger of being lynched D1 due to lurker/scummy reads on him so far. I can't see him doing this and leaving it up to chance at the end of the day like he says. I don't believe this is a bus attempt either because it's a newbie game, and bussing is real big talk most of the time. I don't believe they are both good town either because each has posted 'just enough' to attempt to stay under radar while contributing absolutely nothing of value. Essentially I believe either Sevryn or glurio are scum right now, with another scum being one of the 0-post lurkers, Sylencia or geript as I had stated earlier. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote: However, if you were veteran, you would act as such because you would be wanting to bait the scum attacking you and saving everyone from the N1 kill. Is that your plan? It's the only blue role where I could see you trying to look townie ridiculously hard. I'm back for the evening. I was actually just going to ask at what point speculation about blue roles usually begins. Is this a post N1-D2 thing so we can see what went down on N1? In all honesty it's kind of nice there hasn't been much blue speculation so far to cloud up everyone's judgments like in NMM 36 D1. Also since you're here, Cora what do you think of my scumreads, specifically in regards to the glurio/Sevryn scum dichotomy? | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:29 warbaby wrote: I explained why I won't role claim, but why I'm happy to alignment claim. Scum does not know my role yet. If I'm VT, then scum can skip lynching me tonight, which gives them a higher chance of hitting a blue. Claiming blue now would be insane because it would guarantee my lynch tonight. How do you not understand this? Honestly it almost seems like you're scum, and trying to trick me into claiming my role instead of just my alignment. Because I assume you do understand the difference between a role and an alignment. BTW, this may be my favourite post to date from WB, except for the soft scum claim on Cora. Reeks of OMGUS. | ||
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On February 13 2013 07:36 warbaby wrote: What? Scum does not know who is VT and who is blue yet. If I claim VT or blue, scum will gain information. As town (which scum already knows), I will not do anything to give scum information unless it helps town. Anyone claiming their role on D1 is not helping town. It's that simple. And that's not necessarily true, WB. Vet can force a N1 shot on him to protect town as was previously stated. Watcher or tracker could very easily do the same thing as they aren't really hard protect roles and baiting a N1 kill could gain winning information for the town if done properly. As this is a newbie game I don't really expect much of the former, but it is possible for an early blue claim to help town; you just have to be able to play around it. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:19 Sn0_Man wrote: There are others who post less who have also contributed no actual scumhunting The "why don't we both stop posting for a bit" post seems quite reasonable to me. The thread was being clouded with a ton of irrelevant yammer. The fact that warbaby has echoed others is lamentable but not unique. Sometimes you agree with a case that is presented. The fact that he wishes to vote for Sylencia is also not unreasonable. In fact, it could be construed as scumhunting. It isn't like Sylencia is a WORSE target than many other lurkers. None of what I say makes any claim to "prove" WB as town, but it gives reasonable doubt to his scumminess (IMO). As such, I still request that we lynch somebody with extremely low post-count and contributions. I feel like you are tunnelling really hard for no reason cora. I'm still willing to look at a WB lynch for sure, BUT NOT TODAY. Echoes my sentiments on this exactly. I'm liking how you and I are on the same page about other things, Sn0, including scum candidates. Can we get another 'Count Vote?' We've got barely over an hour and a half and there are so many people who have not voted still...before the final hour begins I'd really like to hope we have an idea as to who is getting lynched. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Either way, if you want to lynch "blendy active" then lynch WoS imo. Buuuuut I really would rather lynch lurkers. They have equal or greater chance of being scum anyway. Wat. I gave a full account of my scumreads lately, was the first (and still only person) to draw upon any suspicion to Zarepath, and have drawn attention to myself all game post-accusations against me. I took a stance early on in the game that some have agreed with and others haven't though I have stuck with it all throughout. How exactly am I 'blendy?' Just because I agree with your recent posts? (the Sevryn vote post you made draws so much on conclusion I already drew earlier I can't even call it yours) | ||
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Glurio and Sylencia you have an hour left. Care to defend yourselves at all or make some sort of a case? I have no hope for Sevryn at this point. | ||
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Such an anticlimactic D1. | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:36 Sylencia wrote: Now I'm seeing two reasons why I'm being voted here: - The fact I'm quiet is apparently like the way I played when I was scum (wrong when you compare it to my other games, I was a bit more active during that game but still rather quiet in comparison to the number of players ) - The fact I'm quiet is uncharacteristic (also wrong, look at NMM32/33) The points are kind of contradictory though... This does not constitute a case. Useless WIFOM and he still hasn't posted a case on anyone at all except for his early blue speculation on WB. Sylencia time is running out for you too..... | ||
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On February 13 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote: Please explain to me why being aggressive is scummy. If we're going to keep thinking that all "loud voices" are town, at least one scum is going to slip by for a long time. Take a look at my scum play from NMM XXXIII. Why do you think I got away with being scum for so long? Because I was active and looking pro-town. If we take out a scum with a "loud voice" now, our chances of winning go way up. Speaking of loud voices, you were SO adamant for so long on WB lynch now that's it's close to lynch time you unvote? What is your rationale? | ||
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