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warbaby
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I'm not saying you're bad, or that your tactics are invalid, but they lack finesse, and assume you can continue to control the town agenda for the whole game. I think you even improved on this during 37, and your comments in the scum QT show that you have much more advanced ideas. I'm not even trying to argue with you, I'm trying to say that you didn't even get a chance to show serious skill in this game because town rolled over. I'm only upset with town over this, not you, Mocsta. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote: You cannot just modkill people who don't play the way you want them to play, lol. Finding replacements is not easy, and we were lucky we could even find 2 this game. That leaves modkilling, which, in a mini, is a very draconic measure. That leaves changing the rules, which can be thought of. However, in the end, lurkers will lurk and it is up to town to pressure them into contributing. First of all, you are ignoring the option to warn a player, which was effective in remedying Acid~'s non-playing in '36. Second, we tried consistently pressuring them and it only worked in very a limited fashion. How were I and Cora to know that fellow towns Zare and Sn0 planned to AFK for most of D3? You're right that replacement is the most appropriate choice. My take: when someone fails to post in 48 hours you PM them and ask for an explanation. If you get no reply in 12 hours, for ask for a replacement in the replacement thread, and announce that the player is being replaced. If you can't get a replacement soon enough, you might have to modkill the player. At the same time, it's just a newbie game, so maybe I'm expecting way too much. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote: If you think nobody is doing anything to stop me; its not because they think I am scum and waiting for me to slip. Its because I have established sufficient innocence to fall down the threat priority list. corazon had no problem constant issues in your play D1, because your innocence was NOT established. My "free ride" had nothing to do with being unintentionally ignored. I was ignored, because I was considered innocent enough. You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died). e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up). | ||
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warbaby
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e: although I will take your suggestion and revisit the post-game in a few days, maybe I will understand your point then. | ||
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warbaby
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Oh wait -- I did! 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9... On February 15 2013 03:20 warbaby wrote: So based on purely this meta analysis, I believe Mocsta could be scum. Maybe he realized he was giving himself away too much, so now he's cooled his jets a bit, to blend back in with the less aggressive towns? I'm really sorry that I never bothered to make a real case on Mocsta, I gave up and decided making cases on active players was pointless because the game was obviously being controlled heavily by scum based on early D3 posting, so even if I tried to make a case on an active scum, it would be shot down (because there was only 1 other active town player at that point, and he had been tunneling me most of the game). | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:I was not on the table, and that is the objective. And the point you seem to be missing, even though you spelt it out at the start. You were not on the table because no active player was on the table, because for the first half of d3 there were 3 active players and a half dozen lurkers. You're giving yourself too much credit for the lurking behavior of town. You do deserve credit for taking advantage of the situation, but you did not create the situation yourself. | ||
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warbaby
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 I can't say for 100% that I would have made a case on Mocsta, but he was who I was leaning towards as the scum among the active players. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 13:00 Acrofales wrote: I did warn players. Both 9-bit and Macheji got a warning before the end of D1, which they ignored. I similarly warned Mandalor at the end of D3. That I choose not to do so in the thread, but in PM is because it is not good hosting practice to use the thread for personal announcements. The scum team was similarly warned with a message from Dandel about the pending modkill on Mandalor. Everybody else showed they were reading the thread. Were townies in D3 putting in enough effort to win the game? No. But that's not my job to police. Thanks for explaining. I wasn't questioning your hosting in this game earlier, just explaining how I would have tried to handle the situation (and it turns out you basically did this). On February 21 2013 13:00 Acrofales wrote: Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of your self-entitlement. You are acting as if you had absolutely no part in the town loss and it is the host's fault for not spurring on townies to make more effort, and all townies except yourself for not playing better. It is really time you realized that your play this game was not great, and generally speaking, every member of town who is alive at endgame has blame in a loss. There is a reason you weren't killed D1: it was easy for scum to draw you along in pointless discussions and a potential mislynch. If you want to improve your play, which is what newbie games are for, THAT is what you should be looking at, and not whinging about mods not winning the game for town. None of Sylencia, sevryn, sn0_man or zarepath ever came anywhere near modkillable levels of inactivity and you suggesting otherwise is pathetic blame-seeking. I've already explained that I thought I had as much of a part in this town loss as any of the other towns. I even quoted Prom's post pointing this out, and have tried to point out specific examples of where I failed to play well. I'm sorry if I offended you. However I'm not trying to shirk blame for the loss. I'm trying to point out that Mocsta's win was not as impressive as he and his coach seems to think it is, and that I think some of the advice he's giving postgame is not as good as other advice (such as your analysis of the game, which has legitimate criticisms of my play). | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote: Secondly, you made a majority - if not all - of those posts ( i didnt bother to read them) during N1. Not following through afterwards due to me being active, is stupid and very flawed logic. You always push your biggest scum read. It doesnt matter if lurker or active. Its actually worse that you let your "apparent top scum read" take indirect control. Thats completely on you. I agree completely. My thinking was that I had no chance to actually stop you (or Corazon, since I suspected him as well) from taking control, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have tried. In the post you're replying to, I was responding to geript's assertion that nobody had analyzed your play at all. I did, I just never went anywhere with it =/ Part of this is due to your good play, and part of it is due to a lack of good or even active town play (myself included). | ||
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warbaby
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Also I'm offended that Acrofales accused me of "pathetic blame seeking" and "whinging", when I was trying to reasonably discuss actions a host can take to combat lurking in a newbie mini, and am more than willing to accept my own failings in this game. | ||
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warbaby
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This is a really nitpicky point, so I'll just drop it. I'm sorry if I've offended you as well, I think you are misconstruing my point. e: In case you guys still don't understand why I brought the point up with Acrofales: On February 19 2013 10:27 warbaby wrote: He gives no indication that he's going to have time to play going forward, so replacing him seems appropriate, at a minimum. And I agree, this is a stupid game. If mandalor got modkilled for inactivity (and I don't see how posting twice in 97 hours can be construed as activity) and flips town then it would be a fittingly stupid end. I don't want to just give up, but it's really frustrating  It really is very frustrating to not be able to play the game properly (although I'll admit that this perception itself was a mistake). I'm not saying this is Acro's fault at all. It sounds like he did everything he could to avoid this =/ | ||
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warbaby
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I'll admit I made mistakes D1, Acro already pointed this out and I said I agree with him. Thanks for being a jerk about it, though =/ I'll stop posting because thrawn told me to, but Cora you really misunderstood what I was trying to say there. =/ | ||
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warbaby
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I'm even saying that my perception was wrong, and I was wrong for working on that assumption. I'm not blaming you =/ | ||
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warbaby
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My #1 lesson from '36 was to try to be calmer and less of a jerk. I think that will still be my #1 lesson going forward xD + Show Spoiler + If this game teaches me to be a nicer, more rational person, it'll be worth the effort and stress. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote: It's all good, I just need to learn to stick with my guns more. I really should've lynched Sevryn. Anyways I'm ready to forget this nightmare of a game. Too bad I can't drink... Yeah, it was dumb of me to switch off sevryn to sylencia on D3. I switched because sevryn was actually making what could be construed as pro-town posts, and I thought there was some merit to the idea that he was faking the roleblock claims. It was also hard to look back at sylencia's filter and find posts that were helpful to town, while sevryn did have a few of these (in between the rather effortless still-lurking posts that he tended to make). If you refer to the big link post I made about sevryn on N2, I really was not impressed with his play. They (the scumteam) picked up on this and fixed it, but it was a mistake for me to accept their last-minute fix. I think the lesson here is to go after someone if they look scummy over the whole length of the game, and not give up because they temporarily seem less scummy than someone else. Also, I'm not sure anyone had a town read on Mandalor like Mocsta suggests. I thought his rather hardcore lurking was less scummy than the semi-active lurking of sylencia and sevryn, but I had a null read on Mandalor before he swooped in with his last minute post on D3. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait how were Mocsta and Cora the only active townies? Man, I really wish I didn't get killed N1. Everybody forgot about me and I didn't contribute anything but shit play. I was talking about active players the context of N2 and D3. I really wish Mocsta had not been smart enough to shoot you N1. | ||
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warbaby
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On February 21 2013 14:18 ObviousOne wrote: Come play LX Experience all that the Brown has to offer. For the Brown is like gravity. It is an undeniable truth. And the truth? The truth sets you free. Dude did you read Chezinu's posts in the LIX scum qt? Chez is totally not nuts at all, and he's playing you like a fiddle if you join his Brown Brotherhood. | ||
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On February 21 2013 14:20 Mocsta wrote: I thought for this game it would be to not blatantly copy other game posts as a reason to be "pro-town"/promote discussion. At least paraphrase; or drop off the NMM36. Well, I started typing the same list to post in '37 but I figured I could just save time and copy paste. My inspiration is Prom's "welcome to my town, you will do [xyz sensible things]" posts, which people do not seem to freak out over as much. Clearly a mistake, lol. You made two really good points earlier:
e: actually it looks like I did rephrase it, but i swore i considered just pasting the same thing from '36, to see what would happen. newbie games are place to learn, right? | ||
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warbaby
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What's the point? I thought Mocsta was giving bad advice in the post-game because he's extremely egotistical. He was assuming that I and others had reads on other players that we didn't have, and then gave us poor advice based on his false assumptions. I would be fine if he wasn't playing in the game and handing out poor advice in the post-game, but since he was a player and asserting the correctness of his advice based on his self-perceived greatness, I find this behavior to be unsporting and obnoxious. | ||
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