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Sup dudes,
Got replace in super quickly I see. Had most of the thread read earlier this morning in the library... had a notepad of reads going on but forgot to save it. I'll do a cliffnotes version.
Phagga, snarfs, and Djo were dem scummers in my book.
Snarfs
Been playing super neutral so far and non confrontational.
Example:
On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit.
If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information.
On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing.
Another null tell.
On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter.
The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap.
Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k?
Phagga
My notes for Phagga were a bunch of sarcastic comments and "ahmigawd stawp defending urself". He's ultra defensive yo.
On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me. I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight? First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO: - If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him - If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him. Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers.
"OMG, I never wanted to suggest anti-town things! I most certainly am not anti-town!" (the NEVER EVER made me lol) A lot of his posts are just summing up stuff that we should be doing D1 instead of actually doing it. He also calls out Palmar, who seems to be an easy target right now. Kind of like when people want to lynch a town Mr. Z, they're always scum >.>
On February 07 2013 01:04 phagga wrote:
Djo: I'm not gonna lynch a random target. I don't know what to do with Oats currently, he is either scum trying to shit up the thread to disrupt town, or stubborn, but I'm sure not just gonnay vote for him because you claim he came up on your RNG.
Also, prplhz not scum, and Palmar better gets some more content in here.
^ I'd also like to see some justification for that plx.
Djodref
Basically my gut is saying he's scummy. I've never seen Djo suggest a random lynch. He is, however, always speculating about like setup (like in witchcraft, when he was the witch hunter). He is usually an advocate of "Yo, lynch this scummy guy he is scum right here. Don't lynch that lurker / random guy lynch this SCUM YO!" I have no idea why he's being so adamant about it either. Seems like lynchbait right now though. Oh, you want to lynch randomly? DIEDIESCUM kind of lynchbait. It's certainly a bold play if he's red.
As for the Oats / Mocsta thing... Oats seems super town to me. I can't even explain it. I picked him out of a lineup day 1 when he was scum, he's just rubbing me kinda townie so far. Mocsta, idk, most of these day 1 Hapa-DP-esque things usually ends up in both being town. It would be incredibly foolish to lynch him day 1 methinks anyway.
All in all, Snarfs is scummy. Reminds me of Mr. Cheesecake scum in my first newbie being all blendy and neutral and such.
##Vote: Snarfs
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Off to work fellas, I'll try to post at my lunch break.
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Got a minute to post on break.
Yamato, why does Mocsta have a good chance of being lynched? I didn't come to the same conclusion.
Phagga, in those posts you were being unecessarily defensive, at least the tone seemed to be a harsh backlash. I understand why you made the response to Mocsta, my point was that you come off as like "no way im anti-town at all how could you think that!" its not a point we can really debate.
Ill read your post on yamato after work.
i want to hear from Djo, because if he keeps up the random lynch shenannies I'm going to be a sad panda.
Brb later, also VE waffles are delicious.
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A wild Cheesecake has appeared!
Back from work y'all. I think a Djo lynch isn't good right yet. The lolrandomlynch is suicide, and such an easy (mis?)lynch target for scum to consider. Smileydjo be smileydjo. Albeit his suggestion is different from some earlier games I've had with him, idk what to make of it.
On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.
Interesting, but I want to see him reveal his grand master schematic to dismantle the scum armada. It's sure to be all Palmarified and stuff.
Reading the rest of these juicy postin's up now.
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If we were really going to lynch someone lurky, I'd rather go with JX over Palmar.
Only thing he's done was an lolcase on Mocsta.
On February 07 2013 01:11 JieXian wrote:Mocsha soooo scummy!!!Clear evidence of lying and trolling up the thread since his first post: Show nested quote +On February 05 2013 10:03 Mocsta wrote:
Im pretty excited for the even day dynamics.
The risk/reward of putting 3 town for nomination, reminds me of the whole bodyguard speculation.
It can even go as wild as putting in 3 scum; to bus one and clear the other 2.
Either way, wont talk about this anymore till game starts. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:02 Mocsta wrote:
Hey all
the usual stuff
Im +8 GMT
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nominating myself for mayor
o.0 Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:04 Mocsta wrote:ooo.. nominations referred to Even Days. *sigh* VE: Plan is still in action  Pretends to not know about the game when he already did speculate about the nomination mechanic... wtf is this?
That coupled with oats' meta read doesn't make it look too good for you mochsta
So like 2 lines of "analysis" and some quotes. In addition, it's on the only person ('sides Oats) with a considerable number of posts to go on. Seems convenient like "Hey I need some kinda case out here, pew pew get this guy" It's neither convincing nor substantial. I hate the term "appearing to be contributing" but it seems like he's certainly "feigning doing stuff" Reminds me of dat Oats case in our newbie where he did the same thing as scum and I shat all over him for it.
@Snarfs
What you think of Mr. Djodref here and all of his shenannies?
Trying to mull this Yamato stuff over in my head.
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Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it.
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On February 07 2013 13:06 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Djo,
Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it. @ CheeseDid you see the statistic gathered by kitaman (clicky) regarding the average D1 scum lynch on TL ? Here is the interesting part ! Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote:
*snip*
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one.
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time.
44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game.
There have been 931 distinct mafia players.
And finally my favorite stat...
VisceraEyes has survived until endgame twice out of 36 games (5.56%). The highest survival percentage is 60%.
Feel free to share any suggestions for improvements that you may have. Hope you all enjoy! In this game, random lynching would have around 31% chance to hit mafia on day 1 ! From my point ow view, it is a good as one chance over three. It's far better than our expected chance to lynch mafia. That's why I thought that his game was good to experiment with random lynching. It turns out that I had bad luck with my randomization with Oats. The goal was to generate discussion, but it also kinda failed >.< Anyway, what do you think on Mocsta ?
I dont give a shit about percentages. If we lynch anyone, no matter if it's random or not, it's still a 31% chance. The only difference is (if unsuccessful) we kill a scummy-looking town instead of some random dude by lottery. Damn right it failed, Djo.
Also:
On February 07 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Either Yamato is scum or bad. I think bad is more likely Sorry yamato 
That's always the two options :/
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lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo
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On February 07 2013 13:17 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo Do you disagree with any of my reads?
Personally idk about Sloosh or prplhz being in the townie section. You seems to give town cred fairly easily. I don't even think I've earned a townie stamp as of yet. What would you consider if one of your 3 scummer reads were to flip town? One of JX and palmar is likely town. two mega lurker scum is unlikely.
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Jay, atm Snarfs looking like he wants me to lynch him or something. Altough i think he has the propensiy to possibly be towntown, slighty, because an unusual stance. JX is a decent scumread because hes literally done nothing but lol over mocsta. Oats best town read because my gut said so.
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Whelp this thread dun got bloated up overnight. Reading up.
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@VE
Please hurry with your "to-do" list on me. This game has been incredibly odd for me, because I'm used to people being like "omg ur scum" and slap me with a case. Being pressured helps me get reads on my accuser, so please do point out anything you find troubling with my play. I'll say to you what I said to Yamato in British: c'mon bro, tunnel me.
I see Phagga just randomly wants to lynch JX now for the same restated reasons, seems legit. Interesting stance on prphlz, however, seems like you put a lot more into that read than JX's (or did you simply just want to see more from prphlz?)
Why the hell is nobody lynching snarfs right now? Get off of Palmar at least if anyone still wants to lynch him D1.
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On February 08 2013 01:08 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:40 Snarfs wrote:On February 06 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,
Tell me more about yourself,
How many games have you played, which alignment do you like to play, are you scum or town? I played a few games last year, maybe 5 or 6? Mafia'a pretty much all you'll find if you search my post history, and you'll be able to tell quite quickly from those that I hate playing scum.
Which makes me a happy camper this game  . Now tell me what you know of VE from past experience and what you think of his disappearing act. happy camper????
C'mon JX. Even as scummy as snarfs is, that's a null tell =/ and kind of a cheap shot
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On February 07 2013 08:44 Snarfs wrote:
All right, so here are my thoughts:
1) On VE:
My vote on VE was initially because of exactly what I said - of the three people that came into the conversation, he was the quickest to abandon it when things got heated. Now, he claims that he was commuting and I can't exactly dispute that.
But since then, I've had no reason to move my vote off of him. Look at the way he's saying things. Who is he even pressuring? Read through his filter and try to figure out who he's pushing. Palmar!? We're not lynching Palmar day 1, why waste time? As for the other people VE is "pressuring", there's no vindication. Phagga? Nope. yamato? Maybe, I can't really tell. When VE is town, he pushes people. He pushes them hard to determine their alignment and it's obvious he's pushing people. I think this is scum VE.
-snip-
Snarfs, this is your ONLY read in the game. You keep saying you're going to probe into VE more but I fail to see it. You cite his lack of vindication but that seems to be a hypocritical statement. You're extremely nonconfrontational and only want to focus on one person in this game. IE DoYouHas in witchcraft. You also kinda lurky breh. Snarfs lets go. gimme yo case on VE.
Yamato,
I'm generally not a fan of meta reads on people I haven't played with, and I believe you already know that... sorry 
Prplhz,
We haven't talked at all this game. What exactly is your stance on Jay right now? Your filter is kinda texty and disorganized... I'm not finding much scummy about Mr. Jay right now other than the jumping on the ez djo bandwagon. (Djo is like Thrawn: Hey guys, I'm miller [Hero mini mafia?])
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JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
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On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth?
I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him.
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Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head.
On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?
As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight).
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On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please?
It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me.
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On February 08 2013 01:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him. Agreed. but this game doesnt have night kill and with nomination mechanic, we never have to vote him.to me thats better than having bodyguards as mayor; he coudl be the most pro-town motherfucker ever and not have to worry about being lynch. Why isnt he doing this?
Holy crap that is a good point Mocsta. In a normal game, mafia kill the most townie player. In this game type, we have to kill the scummiest player available within the pool Mafia gives us. Idk why he's not showing us his ultra mega super gosu townie scumhunter side at this point... it would actually be beneficial.
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On February 08 2013 01:45 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head. On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight). "Little justification" says the guy with a gut read on oats... Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
JX, your scumread on Mocsta was pretty fail. Yes I have a gut townread, but it's not the only thing I'm doing today. All I've seen from you is Mocsta scum gogo 2 lines kill this guy.
And then trying to fling shit at djo/oats/snarfs to see where it will stick. You are incredibly wish-washy to say the least.
Still waiting for snarfs case to decide if he's worthy to live today.
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JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389
in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far.
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If you're referring to that 4-point post thing, it wasn't really justified. You basically said exactly what he's done this game and said that he wasn't do anything..
.On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.
No, you don't? Oats is being tame this game I said. Mocsta just said he's aggressive as scum. IE not aggressive as town (or at least more level-headed, logical).
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On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please. CC said he's docile You're saying he didn't back down = not docile ??
This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction.
Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 Snarfs wrote:
THINGS YOU SHOULD BE NOTICING:
1) When he's town he doesn't give a f***.
2) When he's town he MAKES DAMN SURE HE LOOKS TOWN
3) When he's town his reads actually make sense, when he's scum I can't tell why he's doing what he's doing.
I can't tell his motives right now. I don't know why he's voting for prplhz. Because Palmar is? But Palmar is his number 1 scum read? It doesn't make sense!
Scum scum scum. *Facepalm* Sorry I didnt realise in vet world, finishing with "scum scum scum" was a killing blow to get votes. Look will read this in detail, but so far, I didnt see any quotes from this game. Seems like you did a pure meta read; right now, pretty disappointed I had to wait for this.
^This.
I see no reason to change my vote off of you.
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[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:14 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats?
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in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
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It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. [/QUOTE]
Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down.
In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. [/QUOTE]
I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.[/QUOTE]
How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game"
CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive"
Fail. Try again please.[/QUOTE]
CC said he's docile
You're saying he didn't back down = not docile
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This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction.
Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
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I can't rationalise with the word "tame conviction" but I read the game you've linked me and I do see a difference. And I get why you 2 had conflicting reasons, because Oats was basically being Vivax in that game while he was all "I'm shy" in LIX, where Mocsta was.
In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way.[/QUOTE]
Okay. You also need to realize that it's a gut feeling and he's not like confirmed townie status or something. It's just an initial D1 read and not the end all decision. This discussion is fairly pointless and needs to end right now.
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EBWOP: Only the last two lines matter. Fail quote format.
Okay. You also need to realize that it's a gut feeling and he's not like confirmed townie status or something. It's just an initial D1 read and not the end all decision. This discussion is fairly pointless and needs to end right now.
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On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer.
What else was he supposed to do, realistically? Anyone in that position would vote for Snarfs or Palmar.
Oats this is actually a bad vote.
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On February 08 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
No CC, the bandwagon was shifting in Palmar's favour at that point and of course he wants to jump on and lynch arguably the strongest town player here
How do you even know he's town? Everybody, regardless of role, just wants to not get lynched. He hops on the most popular bandwagon in order to not get lynched. Lynching a town Palmar is just a bi-product if he's scum.
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On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote:
At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum.
Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more.
Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX?
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On February 08 2013 02:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Nah, I think he is town, but my issues with him can be brought up post game. I didnt read that before I wanted to lynch Palmar. Show nested quote +How do you even know he's town? Everybody, regardless of role, just wants to not get lynched. He hops on the most popular bandwagon in order to not get lynched. Lynching a town Palmar is just a bi-product if he's scum. The scummy thing about his vote, is that he didnt vote the guy with the most votes for the longest, like Slark, who is scummy, he voted the for the lynch that was fast becoming a bandwagon. So it seems like he is trying to bandwagon Palmar out of this game. Which is scummy
I guess so. But It seems like more people want to lynch Palmar than Snarfs. Either way I think it's a null tell. If I'm in his position, I totally vote Palmar regardless of my alignment.
Anywho, VE you has a case on you bro! I want to hear your response.
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On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote:
At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum. Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more. Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX? Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it. Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him
You are coming off seriously paranoid... even moreso than before. =\ Calm down.
I was only asking if you would consider Snarfs because I haven't seen you mention him as of late. Just because you're on the train doesn't mean you can't switch. I look forward to your analysis of VE, sir.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:OatsWants to lynch Palmar: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 18:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am voting for Palmer because he knows better, he really does. At least I hope so :/ Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
The problem is that he skates by by his reputation, which I dont think is a good way to play and is abhorrent to the notion of playing to win
he didnt say anything about being busy, nothing is indicated in his tone that he is busy.
He is just trolling. And I dont care how 'good' he is, this play shouldnt be encouraged.
Talking about Palmer by the way. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok lynching Palmer in 2 days.
IMMINENT.
Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? But suddenly makes a U turn and magically digs out a quote from Marv. I have no idea how someone could have not known that that quote existed earlier for quoting it now. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why I think Palmar is town this game, much to my regret is, On January 03 2013 09:01 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 08:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. Why because if you think that killing wbg-town is a "win" situation, then you must be scum. So you must be trolling. So stop it. Anyway, I could explain a little more why Palmar could be scum. Palmar and I both play scum or town in a certain kind of way. When we're town we're usually active and trying to figure things out, and it's obvious we're interested. Or maybe Palmar looks totally uninterested, and that's usually when he's town as well. It's when Palmar (and me) *pretend* to be interested that we're more likely to be scum. There's no need to pretend as town and generally neither of us do. Everything Palmar posted so far took him absolutely no effort and he just made a bunch of posts in the thread to look like he's here and he cares and shit, although actually there's no evidence that this is the case. All of you are going "omg Palmar posting a lot, probably town", but if it's taken him a combined total of 5 minutes to make all his posts then this doesn't actually ring true. It's just a way of establishing some credit early because everyone thinks Palmar is just uninterested as scum. Anyway, Palmar could yet have just been coming into the thread having some "fun" or whatever, so we'll see what effort he wants to put into the game tomorrow. WTF? Someone tell me how this isn't scummy
You should have posted this earlier. Oats, why that 180 on Yamato bro? (I mean, Palmar  )
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Actually, that seems like a bunch of WIFOM until we see a flip tbh.
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Snarfs,
I'll admit I've been a bit confirmation biased of you since the start. You're starting to come full circle on this VE thing, this part in particular:
"First of all, notice how he starts "I think Snarfs might well be scum. So here's a little push in his direction, care of the guy who isn't pushing anyone." He's not aggressive, he's not interested."
I still hate the fact that you've been a neutral, tunneling PoS so far, but at least you're doing something constructive.
On February 08 2013 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Still no quotes from this game explaining your viewpoint. Just vague meta references and now you're throwing in non-alignment indicative bullshit.
##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: Snarfs
WOOOWOOOOOOOOO This is the lynch guys, all aboard.
DAT OMGUS VOTE?
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I won't lynch Oats with you. Until I see either of them flip, I'm not sure of the motives behind the 180. Considering Palmar hasn't done anything, it's probably easy for either alignment to flip a read on him because it's 100% based on meta.
I'm apprehensive about keeping my vote on Snarfs: I think that VE's vote was lulzy and I need to consider my propensity for confirmation bias (See: Witchcraft).
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On February 08 2013 03:06 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah CC, HORRIFYING 180.
Anyway yeah thought I would see Palmars old games, came across that gem, and since I respect marv very much, I decided that he wasnt saying bullshit and that is what Palmar would do if he rolled scum.
Ok JX, other than my 'scummy' 180, is there anything else that makes you think I am scum? That marvellosity quote is like a month old. If you already knew all that then why did you go for Palmar in the first place?
Prplhz, you pop in here to fling shit at Oats now? Where were you before this?
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Seems awefully convienient as soon as Oats is in trouble you're questioning the F out of him. Active lurking much?
Who are you voting, anyway? Idk your stance on anybody really.
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##Unvote
God, this is a shitfest right now. I gotta think about this collectively. Going to work soon will try to phonepost on break.
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On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm not sure. I want to lynch jaybrundage but no one else likes that lynch. I want to lynch Palmar but I see no reason to do it right now when we might as well just do it later.
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes.
Can you point me in the direction of a case on Jay? How do you feel of him personally? He's been fairly elusive to me. Only thing he's done is call out Djo for obvious reasons from what I remember.
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Fuck it, YOLO
##vote: jiexian
I dont see it going any other way. Everyone is yelling die scum die.
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On February 08 2013 04:06 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, YOLO
##vote: jiexian
I dont see it going any other way. Everyone is yelling die scum die. This is some scummy shit.
Indeed it is. We're lynching JX today with anyway with or without my vote . Who the heck are you gonna vote prphlz?
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Okay just got back from work... town flip eh... I should have went with my gut srsly.
So who the heck are the lynch candidates? It's nightime, so that means we lynch one of the 3 targets scum chose beforehand?
And Mocsta, Snarfs wasn't the only one who 'resisted' the JX lynch, prplhz did as well. I just remember his going like "zomg this guy is prolly town wtf r u doin' bruh" when I left.
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Oh nvm there's a 24 hr dawn phase.
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Unless SlOosh starts to post or something, I'm not going to worry about him until his replacement comes in. Jay / Phagga I think are two people that have been under the radar this lynch. I will say more after I get some sleep (uber snow storm coming in tomorrow, no school no work. GG life.)
I also think the entire VE wagon is coming together a bit too nicely. That, and it's spearheaded by Snarfs which just irks the hell out of me. Although, the one point I can agree on is his voting behavior and dat omgus vote on Snarfs. I'd rather explore other avenues than VE in the meantime until scum nominate players.
See y'all when I wake up.
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Up... I'll say that 3 town picks are likely but not guaranteed in the slightest. One scum could easily be in there. Either way, do not succumb to WIFOM and lynch someone just because they were / were not in the nomination. Just lynch the scummiest person who is nominated so we don't have to deal with them on a normal day. This is a distinct advantage for us because we purge the town of the scummiest person (within nominations) instead of scum killing the towniest of townies.
Anyways, I'll be around for a while if y'alls has les questions. Gonna prep some stuff for the following day.
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On February 08 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote:
Mr Cheesecake.
I have a question
why cheesecake vs mudcake?
I guess I should change my name to Mudcake since pies won dessert mini and banished all cheesecakes from liquidia =|
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Mocsta, I'll be honest.
You have a tendency to say in 3 paragraphs what could have been said in two sentences.
Either way, why are you dubbing him town? I don't see "good-bad townie" like you do... In fact you keep calling him town I'm confused.
You basically are calling him out for not scumhunting consistently and pushing the mislynch aside. If town, he's certainly not good. I really can't draw many conclusions from your discussion other than Jay pushed the JX wagon before anyone else and hasn't done shitelse but RNG pressure Djo and stuff. He's one of the guys Imma look into a bit later so I'll update you then.
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I believe someone said they wanted to lynch a lurker D1. Candidates for that: JX / Palmar.
I wanted to lynch JX (and suggested it) over Palmar in that case, snarfs still being my vote / priority, but I'd consolidate on JX if we really wanted to lynch a lurker because I'd rather not risk losing a town Palmar this early.
Then somehow the JX wagon overtook my Snarfs wagon and all hell broke loose.
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On February 09 2013 00:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I believe someone said they wanted to lynch a lurker D1. Candidates for that: JX / Palmar.
I wanted to lynch JX (and suggested it) over Palmar in that case, snarfs still being my vote / priority, but I'd consolidate on JX if we really wanted to lynch a lurker because I'd rather not risk losing a town Palmar this early.
Then somehow the JX wagon overtook my Snarfs wagon and all hell broke loose. How did you miss VE as the Policy Lurker advocate? + pls give feedback on: Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote:
Theory craft
With JX 3 things happened
(1) People called him scummy
(2) People defended him as lynch bait
(3) People did not comment.
If we were going to narrow down scum candidates by whether they did 1,2 or 3; which category do you think will have the highest chance of finding a scum?
Been working on a decent sized post so haven't really been f5ing too much xD
I wasn't in the game for the first day pretty much so I wasn't too concerned with names before I got in here. I did some preliminary notetaking but a policy lurker lynch seemed pretty null tell and reasonable for this game type. JX over Palmar was my stance on lurker lynching, and I suggested that we lynch him if at all a lurker. I called him scummy quite early. Did I start the counter-wagon to my own lynch??? What, lol.
In reference to your second quote, One person stuck out in my mind about the lynch... it was prphlz. Came in here was like "zomg this guy is prolly town" and called out people voting him, wanted to vote Jay I think? But never did. People defended him as lynch bait, but Prphlz was really scummy about it.
Who didn't comment on the JX lynch?
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Interesting, but he wasn't there most the day anyway. Can't really draw alignment from him not being here due to personal issues.
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If you're looking to group people by those three options, scum are probably in both 1/2. It's kind of silly to narrow it down by virtue of those actions alone. Everyone went about the lynch in different ways, look at them each individually. I think Yamato is right, this is being stupid.
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Let's just keep nomination speculation till later when we have more info and flips. Everyone savvy?
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wow Snarfs, what a new and exciting concept. Thank you for this revelation.
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Snarfs if you actually read the last 2 pages you'd realize that you were just copy+pasting what we all said, just hours after the fact. You blendy bro, you so friggen blendy.
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Straight up not lynching Mocsta in this. Why is Palmar 100% town, lol?
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So if he were really active and looking townie, that means he's scum? Seems kinda like an iffy read to me and an excuse to lurk the entire game. Granted, if he actually does pull it together today and pulls magical (good) scumreads out of his pocket, I'll reconsider.
It's all about SlOosh and Palmar stepping it up right now.
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The days when lurking is a towntell *sigh* these meta cases are strange. Still, this is a pretty damn good choice of candidates. Killing lurkers... alrighty.
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Alrighty. Just got up and 3.5 feet of snow at my door step, yay! I guess it's okay to post this now. Wrote it mid-dawn phase.
Jaybrundage
Votes Djo for RNG bullshit. Case spoilered for reference. On February 07 2013 09:42 jaybrundage wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Howdy all The person that stuck out the post for me was Djo. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on him. He starts out with his post. He seemingly "randomly" picks Oats out for a RNG lynch. But he uses Oats post number and uses a number that will give him Oats as his target. Its not random so why does he call it random. On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Hi. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate. This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3. This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1. So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion. ## Vote Oats He proposes using the random lynch to create discussion. But then uses it as an excuse to stop conversation and discussion and not give his thoughts on Mocsta. On February 06 2013 20:46 Djodref wrote:
And to answer your question, I did not say that you did exactly what you did in your last scum game. But while reading, I also thought about this game before Oats brought it up in the thread.
So, yeah, I'm suspicious of you but not enough to drop my random lynch on Oats ^^ When Oats ask's him what his thoughts are on lynching him. Djo again dodges the question further showing that he never intended to try to participate in the conversation and discussion that his RNG lynch was supposed to create. He instead sidesteps the question because he wants other players to comment first. Citing Palmar as well trying to get solid town vet behind it. On February 06 2013 21:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo,
You said the random lynch was to choose the target right? And to start discussion around the target right?
So what do you think about lynching me? I'd like to answer this question after I get the input from other players if you don't mind. I also would like Palmar to weight in on the random lynch thing ^^ How sure are you that Mocsta is scum by the way ? What is the most definite case you can bring against him ? Every since his RNG lynch he has been pushing Oats and not really contributing hiding behind his lynch to get away with saying anything of significance. Town Djo can write a damn good case. I think we have scum Djo here hiding behind a RNG to not contribute. Also note his complete disappearing act after contributing nothing.
##Vote Djodref
My concern with this is, it's an easy case to make. Scum want to pick out the easymode lynches. Kind of like how people pick on Mr. Z for being 'obvious scum' when he's always town, the guy that attacks him in usually scum. Like Mr. Z, Djo is an extremely easy target to point a finger at this early in the thread. No comments on Mocsta - Oats penis measuring contest, just snipes at Djo.
His next big revelation is that JX has been useless and he would loves to lynch him:
On February 07 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:
@Oats my biggest scum read atm is Djo as i said so far. However as the day goes on ill be willing to consolidate if no one wants to lynch djo
I also think JX has been useless so far and wouldn't mind lynching him.
Okay, so an easy vote and an easy scumread on JX because he's useless and stuff.
Then there's this post...
On February 07 2013 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo Rofl didn't even read the game you cohosted. Trolling you in scum QT was fun And yes that flavor was sexy not gonna lie. @Yamato You have alot more town reads then i would expect. Im also very interested in why you read prphz and CC they way you do. What made you think there town? Also is lurking the only criteria you have for making scum. Remember that Mocsta said in his scum QT last time that he wanted to be a leader in the town as scum. He has the desire. I don't think your giving him enough credit as a scum player. Dismissing him just because he applies effort is a bit disconcerting. Did you think he was gonna just say im scum you got me. @Mocsta if you could rate your scum play 1-10 what would you rate it. @Djo you choice 12 in your RNG to pick Oats as far as i believe @CC Your current best scum read. Also your biggest townie read @prphz Stop lurking. @JX Stop lurking @Palmar Stop lurking
Oh my goodness this post. Asks questions to half the thread. I don't understand what the point of 'stop lurking' to 3 people and asking mocsta what he'd rate his scumplay have to do with scumhunting buuuut okay.
He proceeds then to pressure Djo for more of his RNG bullshit, which is bullshit sure, but this pressure is not really achieving anything.
His vote on JX is suspect because I can't find a place in his filter where he has a discussion with JX. His reasoning seems also very sheepish and weak.
Overall, Jay is just that guy who goes for the ez 'loluobvscumbrah' vote, and then the ez sheep / consolidate vote.
Leaning scummer on Jay right meow.
Mocsta
From the start of the thread, the interaction between Oats/him made me lean more townie on Oats than him. Just searching through his filter I was like holy crap that many pages... He hasn't been on my scumdar at all lately. Recently, he asked me to go through his discussion with Jay. One thing I found weird:
On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:
I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play.
Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar.
-snip-
On February 08 2013 14:52 Mocsta wrote:
Jay,
So if you dont see reasons for scum; how do you rate your town play this game as: pro-town, bad townie, or in the middle??
I still think we had different motives to consolidate. And I am still concerned you made a comment to consolidate and then fucked off. As I have said repeatedly,
where is your commitment to developing your read via pressure/analysis/alternative means?
Your play reads as if you dont care. All my questions regarding commitment you have dodged; why is that?
Jay
Do you have a top scum read? & why
Who is your top town read? & why
If you can answer these simple questions, that would go a way towards showing me you actually care.
On February 08 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote:
CC
can you give thoughts on the convo between me/jay
do you see good townie, bad townie, or other?
Am I the only one that finds this weird? Calls him scum then keeps asking if he's a good town or bad town... Maybe he knows Jay is town? Who really cares what Jay thinks of his town play anyway, it doesn't help us find scum.
Perhaps, but a 9 page filter already... Mocsta (generally) seems rather pro-town at this stage. With a 9 page filter he's certainly not being apprehensive, but scum mocsta isn't afraid to do that. I'm a bit curious of him at this stage, rather leaning townie.
Phagga
He's really friggen paranoid. Take a look-see
On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me. I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight? First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO:
- If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him
- If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him.Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers.
I mentioned this earlier and it still bugs me. "Holy crap I didn't mean to come off scummy I never ever meant to suggest we RNG votes thats so anti-town I'm not anti-town guys seriously". Phagga comes off as suuuuuper paranoid, like he's got something to cover up. In addition, the bottom bolded part is more obvious than Mr. Obvious McObvious. Nice contribution to the thread!
He also comes off as paranoid here:
On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote:
At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum. Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more. Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX? Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it. Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him
I ask him if he'd like to lynch Snarfs with me, and completely is like "No wtf I said I'm lynching JX what are you even talking about"
Next is his sheepy reasons for voting JX
On February 07 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:My vote goes to JieXian for coming into the thread and voting Mocsta for a bad reason, then completely disappearing again. ##Vote JieXianRegarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 01:41 phagga wrote:
Regarding Palmar, I dont like how he throws a vote without explanation and then in his next post he implies: "Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?"
Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats? Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote:
Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay? Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now. prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours. I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them.
He literally gives a sentence to support it, and it's been said before. By myself and by some others. The rest of the thread he doesn't even question JX much, just keeps his vote content there while he talks about prphlz and pressures VE. He has this huge post about VE and his voting with red text and all, but never votes him... he's confident in the JX lynch somehow. It's confusing: is he avoiding talking of JX in order to distance himself from a green flip?
I see no scumhunting from him in regards to JX the entirety of day. Such little interaction with him. It's like he was more concerned about a next lynch so he can set up his scumread on VE after JX dies.
Also wtf is all this crap:
On February 07 2013 18:56 phagga wrote:
sniped by JX, but doesn't really change anything for my vote for now.
On February 07 2013 22:56 phagga wrote:
oh wow, I got sniped big time. Reading up.
On February 08 2013 06:40 phagga wrote:
Bah, sniped again. Still, it's not like this is a completely uncontested lynch.
Also, where the hell is sloosh?
Keeps 'getting sniped' lol. Not alignment indicative but it made me laugh.
The fact that he votes but never really talks to JX should be indicative enough that he didn't care about the lynch.
Leaning hard scumster on this dude. He's paranoid as hell, shitty reasons / contributions to lynching JX, and posting obvious things early game that do nothing to help town.
Snarfs
Was soooo confirmation biased against this dude. Yamato was tellin' me not to be... but you know what? Idc he's scummy. I have my quarrels with him over my filter, and he seems so much like a tunnely scum. I'll elaborate more later.'
As of now, I'll lynch Jay / Phagga / Snarfs after nomination lynch. Oh, where's Djo? Did he forget his posting hat/wand/cape this game?
Haven't read the last couple pages since I went to sleep, catching up now. Might post between shoveling out the snow.
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Im working tonight guys... i work at a place that stays open / assists with natural disasters like tgis blizzard. imma be lurkin via phone.
VE... you said i was on your to do list earlier, what happened to that? Glad to hear your sentiment on Snarfs. Djo plz get in with your reads... i wrote you off as being stupid djo this game but now you're irritating me. All my other games you were so post happy.
Palmar seems to be on my train of thought with some scumreads which i like... idk how hes coming to the same conclusions, if he shows his work ill prolly be voting sloosh over him. If he's not going to justify his reads well, then he's pretty useless to us if hes town. I await his next megapost.
peace guys, stay warm.
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sry phone posting.... both candidates agree with me. sloosh made a case on phagga. Itsno if he agrees, its if he can back it up well. This lynch for me is predicated on who is going to make the most sense. sloosh and palmar seem to have a similar reads as i do. If palmar isnt going to justify substantially, i dont want him around. sloosh has proven moreso that hes A). town and B) cares and will analyze posts and behavior. currently hes more beneficial to towb. depends on palmars next promised post.
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who's the second guy to have flipped town? that case was so bad. Because someone is wrong doesnt make them scum. Phagga, lol.
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Snarfs, why the hell do you want to kill Yamato, and especially Oats. Show your work, son. why in gods name are they the best targets tomorrow?
How do you feel about lynching phagga/prphlz/jay??? Also, why shouldn't I just wagon the fuck out of you tomorrow?You've done little to prove you're town to me as of yet. Lay off VE for a while and tell me what you think of those candidates or at least why yamato / oats. if you're sheeping people on yamato, just say so.
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Back from work. I'm just going to vote Palmar. Sloosh is contributing more and is more commited to pushing his scumreads consistently. Both of them seem to be in the same boat with reads. this is basically an activity vote. sorry Palmar.
##vote: Palmar
Also, finally someone wants to pressure me. Prphlz go ahead, it'll help me get a read of you. Just dont flake out on thw tunnel like VE promised.
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He said himself he wont be around and comitted too much. Sloosh is damn good if i Recall? what good is a great scumyhunter if hes unable to scumhunt? Sloosh is being more active and pressuring ppl. he is more valuable to town than palmar atm
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On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell
Lol.
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I'm convinced that at least one or both of Phagga / Snarfs is scum. Prphlz is kinda up there, but I want him to pressure me first so I can see if he's British-Yamato scummy or more town. Jay came off so scummy trying to derail that lynch and deem everyone on the wagon was scummy for voting Palmar. Made me giggle on the inside. Top 4 right thar, 2-3 scum in it.
Don't think Yamato / VE be a good lynch today. Yamato I don't see as that scummy, VE I see as more of as ez scum target because he's just not living up to his full potential. He's 'slippery' as SlOosh put it, but my top scumreads all want him dead which irks the fuck out of me.
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Lol, Mocsta you get cred for that Jay bullshit. Got the post 1m in before me :p
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Not really. A lot of my case can easily be refuted with "no, I wasn't doing this."
What really stands out about Phagga was his JX vote... because not once did he attempt to talk with JX. Never did he interact with him meaningfully and try to probe his brain for information. Town want to be sure their vote is placed correctly. Phagga did not. It was a blatant sheep with no follow-up investigating or interacting.
He asked Jay like one question: Who is your top scumread? And then proceeded to dabble here and there, poop-flinging at someone or another like VE, who I see as an easy target.
##Vote: Snarfs
Because lurking and I think he's scum.
Also, How do you view Phagga right now? What about Jay overall considering the recent happenings?
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Although, I historically as a player hate when people defend themselves because I typically get all confirmation biased about it like "No, you're still scum wtf". Again, it's something I'm trying to tone down on my play. But I'm still convinced snarfs or phagga is scum. I want to hear from Prphlz and Jay moreso.
@Yamato
You're pretty null / leaning town (wtf, has this ever happened before with us?). This game is really different than our last few together. In each we were always shitflinging at each other, both when you were town and scum. I actually can't put my finger on it, you seem more level-headed than usual. I think if we talk some I can get a decent read on you from our history together. Some people here want to lynch you, thus I need to speak with you.
So, my question: What do you think of me this game? I want you to shine your Yamato beams of light down upon Mr. Cheesecake and reveal all that you believe of me. (Tunnel me brohan)
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Well, I guess that means we're thinking somewhat aligned. I'm just gonna hit the bed. I have tomorrow off school (Blizzard weeeeeeeeeeee) so I'll be active in the morning.
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Cant sleep phone posting from bed and keep refreshing lol... I agree we should look at palmars reads. but lets not take them as some holy grail of truth, just into consideration. Jay, i think you fail to see why palmar was lynched. activity basically
... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing.
hey oats. pie or cheesecake?
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well yamato thats cool. ita kinda sad that we arent yelling and screaming at each other this game. maybe that was never really productive at all. sucks that you think im null... would be more interesting discussion if you thought i was scum... feels like youtlr coping out on my request for pressure with that null read. oh wells. Thanks for voting snarfs i instantly love you. All aboard the snarfs train choo choo!
all kidding aside i need to talk more with you yamato... idk about oats scum. activity doesnt display towniness all the time. just look at palmar lol. maybe i need to reevaluate oats but i cant really paint him red right now
the only thing that concerns me is that you havent been yelling scum at someone yet. town yamato always did that with me in the game. so composed yamato
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LOL 'cause Palmar said so sorry im fucking laughing my ass off. Jay best case ever and i havent e en read it yyet
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On February 11 2013 13:12 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Cant sleep phone posting from bed and keep refreshing lol... I agree we should look at palmars reads. but lets not take them as some holy grail of truth, just into consideration. Jay, i think you fail to see why palmar was lynched. activity basically
... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing.
hey oats. pie or cheesecake? Ok we wont take them as a holy grail of truth. Just interpret if its like a bible from the Nordic town god. Also first you state that i have no standing in calling it a scum driven wagon. Then you concede that scum probably are on it. But then you go on to say that it won't help if we point fingers for voting palmar. But on that point you would be completely wrong. We can use Palmar's lynch as a reference point to narrowing scum candidates. Im not falling into any trap. The nominations are a very town favored concept. We need to use it to our advantage we now have twice the amount of lynches to analyze.
You misunderstand me. The wagon is no doubt scum driven. Of course scum are on that wagon. problem is, most of them are probably town. maybe scum voted elsewhere as well(or didnt vote at all). its hard to discern who is the 'scum driving the wagom' because even if scum werent voting at all, palmar probably still dies.
Anyway its just a lot of wifom anyway. its a really town favored mechanic, but scum are obviously going to exploit it somehow.
This whole cus palmar said so rubs me the wrong way. Maybe you should do some scumhunting of your own instead of some deceased God to do ot for you. You're probably promoting this lynch because you're scum, know its an easy mislynch, and can use the words of so-called confirmed town to your advantage.
yamato, what say you to thia case?
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Whats a chainsaw defense? lol its being used never heard it. Okay ill lurk it out. But srsly this is just so bad and i dont even have a concrete read on yamato. his job, if town, is to convince me that yamato is scum...
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Finally some pressure Mocsta.
Im actually attacking the evidence though, because all the evidence is cus palmar said so (which is bad reasoning). Although the part about why yamato wants to lynch lurkers was original because it just happened. This case does not make me think jay is scummier / townier than before, the case is just bad because it's crux lies o n palmar being correct in his read.
But yeah, i was just infuriated by that case becauseis putting all the marbles in one basket. Palmars basket. It seems like a risky lynch, and im surprised nobody else sees that
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Jay, let me clarify. Palmars reasoning is not bad. Your one poi t about yamato lynching lurkers is not bad. But it seems awefully convinient the timing of the case. I generally hate when people go 'dead guy said X was scum, lynch him'. Someone did that in one of my earlier games, and well you can guess what he flipped.
I'll admit i got a bit furious there because i want to discuss with yamato (if i can do this, i can read him). if hes just defending your case, hes reiterating the same tired old points and saying stuff that, really, doesnt help me get a feel for him.
Yamato im still here if you want to talk. Tell me what you think of Jays shenannies here. What does this case tell you about his alignment? im not interested in a defence rly, just your.opinion
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Yamato
Because Jay said that Palmar said so
I haven't really given a serious look at Yamato until today. I initially wrote him off, because he was the towniest Yamato I've ever seen. In our history, he was always flaming with bias and emotionally posting. He drove the JX lynch home, but it was more lazy posting instead of emotional. This game he is more level-headed, and I just kinda threw a 'leaning town' stamp on him and let it be. Palmar apparently was going for something with Yamato, and Jay just reiterated it. I still think it is bad how Jay went after Yamato like that, but I have to consider that maybe he / Palmar are right.
I'm filter diving and coming to my own conclusions on Yamato.
On Jay's points: Yamato's flip-flop on Mocsta
From Jay's case, I found it hard to get the grip on this point (he was basically summarizing). The first two pages on his filter are anti-Mocsta and then suddenly out of nowhere is:
On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.
His Mocsta alignment case wasn't getting any traction, so he switches base. This IS a bit odd. Especially for Yamato. The Yamato I know was always ridden with tunneling and never let up. Conceding his position is, from what I'd consider, unlikely for town Yamato.
Also, this is bad reasoning for a town Mocsta from him:
On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. -snip-
Both alignments respond to cases. A matter of effort is not alignment indicative.
JX Vote
On February 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also,
##Unvote
##Vote JieXian
Or however you spell his name.
Where was JX before in Yamato's thinking? I completely missed this tbh. Not much to say about it other than lolwut.
List post:
On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote:
In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it.
TOWN
Oats
Sloosh
VE
Mocsta
Jay
Prplhz
CC
NULL
Djo
Phagga
MAFIA
Palmar
JX
Snarfs
The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo.
I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them.
Lists are scummy brah. I have no idea why he thinks I'm town: We've barely even talked. I think our interactions are null at this stage? I don't recall him taking a look at me. Why is he writing me off as town? I'm less concerned about his scumreads, because those conclusions can come from either alignment. I just don't know why certain people have earned the Yamato green stamp of approval.
Prphlz town read:
On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter? Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.
Alright going to read page 15 now.
But seriously, quit it and do something else. This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?
Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please. This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green.
Mainly a meta case and two quotes saying that he's pro town. Why doesn't Yamato think he can be mafia faking this sentiment? Eeerrrr it's such an easy thing to just slap this town label on someone and never rethink it. The only time I played scum was with Debears, and he did this stuff to me all the time. Beefed up my townie image by defending me and saying I was pro-town because 'insert midly townish post here'. It may be the same case here.
Yamato Today
On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on.
Even if Snarfs fits that bill, this is a shitty reason to be voting people alone. I don't agree that we should be looking mainly at activity from the nomination lynch. It's like a cop-out on forming decent reads... Also, he just calls me blendy and null reads me when I ask him to look into me. Seriously, I give him a GOLDEN opportunity to get some information about me, which I will respond to. He just null reads like a boss. Why doesn't he want to snuggle up with me and get to know each other? Town Yamato loves to interact / cuddle with me. Scum Yamato is afraid because he knows I'll call him out on his BS.
I'd consider lynching Yamato today.
My gut tells me to go all wagon of justice lynch Snarfs mode. Unfortunately he's another fucking lurker right now. I need to hear more than 'Oh I'm going to be doing family things! Lynch VE bro's, here are some scummers that are a good choice. Luckily I have alllll day to question him. That is, if he'll respond.
@Snarfs
Hey Snarfs, Snarfypoo. Can I call you Snarfypoo? You know, you're playing this Mafia game right now and it would be really cool if you did things.
Two things: Why shouldn't I lynch you right now?
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Top scumreads, minus VE. I know your stance on him. Give reasoning. Be cool and awesome like that.
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Everyone better not just slap their vote on Yamato and afk today. If we mislynch today, we're in a terrible situation. I encourage everyone to not just look at the 'lolYamatoisscum' wagon. There are four, count them, four scum in this lot. Find the other 3.
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Sloosh. Give me a minute. I'm going to filter dive and see what's up with VE.
Could you 'bump' your concerns with him?
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*Knocks on head* you there SlOosh?
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On February 12 2013 02:27 slOosh wrote:... You seriously ask me to bump when I have a 2 page filter? Really? You can't do this yourself? Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 06:37 slOosh wrote:Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere. On February 10 2013 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to do a full reread now and look forward to chatting with the nominees about tomorrow's lynch. On February 10 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I agree where phagga is concerned, but we'll deal with that tomorrow. Today I'd like more input from the lynch candidates and everyone's thoughts on who they want to lynch today. Says he wants to chat with nominees about tomorrow's lynch. Disagrees about phagga, but wants to talk about it tomorrow. Could you focus your attention on him when you can? He is one of the more slippery players and it would be great if we could consolidate / clarify our read on him. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 08:23 slOosh wrote:
Ok VE. Say something scummy and then pass it off as a joke, and then call me scummy whilst doing so. That's cool.
I've already stated my case. You said you have problems with it but have provided 0 reasoning, 0 evidence and 0 thought process on why. And then you expect me to extract all relevant information out from you, after stating that you wanted to talk with me.
You're full of it and I'm gonna talk it over with Palmar. Now in the meantime why don't you actually do what you say you would do and talk about why you disagree about phagga. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 06:49 slOosh wrote:On February 10 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote:
SlOosh, may I ask who you are planning to lead with on day3? Not sure if I understand this question - if it is who do I lynch first, it's phagga, because it's the clearest and best chance flip. I like Palmar's list as it has good overlaps with mine. After phagga, I'd probably start convincing people that VE is scum, then maybe prplhz. A strong reason for this is that VE and prphlz are objectively experienced / good players and they are focusing on today's lynch and avoiding talking about anything else. Think about it from a townie perspective. If you conclude that the nomination candidates are all town, then why would you bother spending your time and energies choosing which one to lynch? As if making the correct townie lynch will win the game for us? No, if you conclude that all nomination candidates are town, you should be focusing on who you will lynch tomorrow. You should scumhunt. 4 out of 8, I repeat 4 out of 8 players are scum if there are three townies up for nomination. And you seriously spend time looking at the three townies? Total bull. I've been saying this the whole time, and maybe it's more evident now as you've seen how D2 has played out, but there are clearly people who don't want to talk about anything outside the current nomination pool. What's more is that some of these people clearly think that the candidates are all town, so why would they bother waiting for the lynch before they start contributing? If someone thinks we are town, then they must have some degree of respect for Palmar's / my play, or in the very least desire to dialogue with another townie about their scumreads etc. Why wait for one of us to die? Why wait? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 09:05 slOosh wrote:
LOL. Ok, dismiss everything I said by calling it a meta case. Anyone objectively reading the case could see that there is only 1 point in which I draw a meta analysis, which serves to strengthen a point that is already there.
- in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions
- town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts
It doesn't matter if phagga is having an off game, because that is not the distinction I make. He scummy this game. You could argue about the use of meta but it's at best moot - take out meta and my case still stands just as strong, and it's incredibly scummy to dismiss the entire thing by strawman argument.
I'm not drawing any associations from my phagga scum read. This is the exact same thing with yamato. Regardless of phagga's actual alignment, townies should act a certain way given what they have said. VE said he wants to talk to me about tomorrow's nominations. I presented my phagga case. VE did nothing at all in lieu of participating / contributing to the discussion, but all he did was say that he disagreed with the case (and didn't say why until I called him out on it).
What VE did is scummy independent of phagga's alignment.
Nope, lazy.
First quote: What's wrong with what VE did there? He expresses he wants to talk with nomination candidates about the lynch tomorrow (and today). Is that a mafia agenda? What is odd is that he disagrees with Phagga, but provides no reasoning. That actually brings up a good point. Why DOES he disagree... he has never explained it. I want to know this.
Second quote: The joke was a joke... indicative by the heart at the end. Ehh. Seemed pretty light-hearted to me. But that Phagga stuff again. Prove he's not lynch-worthy VE.
Third quote: You focus on VE being a good player, but he's not showing that here. I've never played with VE before, so I can't testify to his epicness. I've never even heard of him being that good. The only thing that redeems him is he did take a look at Prphlz who was not a lynch candidate. He did focus a lot on the nomination lynch...
Final quote: His job as town is to prove the innocence of Phagga if he thinks he is innocent. He doesn't do this. Good point.
VE seems really trolly / nonchalant overall. His filter lacks scumreads and is more joking around than anything. Pushing a mafia agenda? It's iffy. Mafia motivation comes in defending Phagga without reason. The little participation go either way. At least he did push Prphlz.
Stuff not related to you SlOosh:
VE said he was going to look into me but never did. Then, he just coped out and said 'oh no, im not interested in lynching you, you're good don't worry about it' <---- I fucking hate when people null me like that.
He doesn't seem to really care about what other people think about him. Kinda a townie trait to me; at least that's how I'm as town. He's not overly concerned with defending himself which I this is townie as well.
So VE:
Why do you disagree with a Phagga lynch? More specifically why did you WAIT until today to talk about it. Palmar was right there to discuss. In fact, why did you want to lynch the guy who was so anti-Phagga? Wouldn't you want to discuss it with him?
Overall: I'm a bit see-sawy on him. All flip-floppy and such. I like some things, but hate that he voted for SlOosh when he disagreed with his Phagga case without disputing it. We'll see with what he comes out with today.
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On February 12 2013 03:07 slOosh wrote:
First quote is him saying "I want to talk to slOosh Palmar Mocsta about tomorrow's lynch (outside the nomination pool)". He does the exact opposite by saying he wants to focus on the nomination candidates, despite me talking about phagga.
Think about it from his perspective:
- "I want to talk to candidates about tomorrow's lynch"
- slOosh talks about phagga, who is a potential subject of tomorrow's lynch
- "I don't like phagga. I want to focus on today's candidates."
I'm not saying that he is a great player and not playing to my expectations of him. I'm saying that he is experienced enough to understand these things, i.e. he isn't someone you can dismiss as "oh he is a newbie, it's understandable he would make that mistake". Regardless, meta isn't my main point here.
VE isn't overly concerned about defending himself because there hasn't been an actual threat to lynch him yet. This isn't a town trait. For instance how many people defended themselves last cycle? Is the number 4? Nope. Scum don't bother defending themselves when there is no serious threat against them.
Well, you seem to be a serious threat to him sloosh. I'd expect scum to be careful and defendy around you. I'm super confused about his intentions of the last lynch. I keep forgetting that you were a nomination candidate, so I keep thinking he wasn't concerned with you, just the nomination candidates.
Yeah VE wtf u doin bruh with yesterday
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Not sold on a VE lynch right yet. The evidence feels a little nitpicky on a mistake VE may have made, and he has yet to respond to Sloosh's or my points. Especially since if Snarfs is scum, I'm almost positive VE is green. Unless there is some weird elaborate bus thing going on where Snarfs pushes his scumbuddy D1 and the rest of the game, I'm certain they are opposite alignments.
And yeah Oats, get off Jay. He's looking scummy right now but I think a more sensible choice is between Yamato/Phagga/Snarfs today. VE if you're so inclined that way.
I want to hear Snarf's opinions right now. I still want to lynch the shit out of him, and have no problem doing so.
That said, I'm off for work.
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@prphlz case
So I'm scum because I'm not posting 1 liners? The main reason I was able to get away with that in british was because i had a fancy doc claim up my butt. Those shenannies really werent beneficial to town at all anyway. Funny case you've got their sonny boy.
@"ur flip flop is scummy brah"
umad? Yamato was nullish leaning town before i really looked at him. I hated that jay was throwing palmar shit at him. filtered yamato, and thats what youve got. he hasnt responded to any of it but call it scummy, lol
@jay
im not doing anything? You arent reading this game.
Snarfs case coming in tomorrow.
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[QUOTE]On February 12 2013 12:22 jaybrundage wrote:
@CC rofl you hard defended Yamato and then you backed the fuck up and accused yamato.
Im not reading this game?
[QUOTE]On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.[/QUOTE]
RE you switch on Yamato looks scummmmmy. You changed your read like you had additional information that no one else has. You went from hard defending to hard pushing in a moment.
Lol k. Cool story you have there.
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SNARFYPOO
HE SCUM
Original points for reference D1.
+ Show Spoiler +SnarfsBeen playing super neutral so far and non confrontational. Example: On February 06 2013 14:38 Snarfs wrote:
I could point out that it looks like one or both of you are purposefully being stubborn to try to draw reactions out of scum, possibly some sort of trap, but I don't know either of you well enough to give you that much credit. If you CAN do something, then you do it. This post serves no purpose other than to illustrate that either Oats or Mocsta could be stubborn for "possibly" some sort of trap, but then says he doesn't have enough information. On February 06 2013 16:22 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 15:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta I'm intrigued by your posts regarding the nomination phase. However I'm going to suggest/request that you save it for AFTER the dawn phase of D2 so that scum aren't given instructions on how you're going to view nominees they put up. It's going to be clear enough after D2 because we're going to have to lynch into their choices - but if we can go all of D1 without speculating on who and why scum will send up D2 I think that's going to be a net gain for town. I disagree. On February 06 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:
The choices scum have for nomination will be based on the status quo of the ODD days; so it is paramount to consider ODD day play for EVEN day nomination. Having said that, I am going to hold off further strategy talk due to: fuck all people online. Need some others to contribute. @SnarfWhat do you make of VE wanting to bury all nomination mechanic talk till the nominations are released? I think it's a null tell. Town would do it if they wanted to shift the focus off of WIFOM. Scum would do it if they thought it was in town's best interests to be talking about the setup. I've personally never cared for too much setup speculation as most of my scum hunting success has come from observing what they actually do, not guessing at what they should be doing. Another null tell. On February 06 2013 14:34 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Snarfs,
Do you have any conclusions about the 'discussion' between me and Mocsta relating to our alignments/ Not really being swayed either way. Looks like standard day 1 banter. The only real stance he had on someone is VE, but the only justification is for his "disappearing act". Snarfs has had plenty of time to justify his vote, but all I see is "lol people were shouting in thread you weren't there must be scum". Apart from that, the only thing he's done is talk about WIFOM crap. Snarfs plz do something instead of trying to be all blendy and stuff, k?
This post reeks of scum:
On February 07 2013 23:54 Snarfs wrote:
Here and catching up now. I'm just on page 20 and I see Djo is voting Palmar as well??
Guys, Palmar is not a lynch target day 1. Why? Because if he's town, he will find scum! And if he doesn't find scum, we lynch him later in the game! It's that simple! He's too hard to read otherwise, and this is by far the best indicator of his alignment. Lynching him day 1 is way too risky in a cost/benefit sense.
As for people doubting my read on VE (clearly this is the case as no one seems to be listening), if you have time right now please look through my history for the game where I vig'd VE night 1 when him and ace were scum. It was one of bugs' games, I can't remember the name right now and I'm on my phone or I'd look it up myself. He's playing exactly like that!
Now I'm going to finish catching up. I can make a more detailed case on VE when I'm not lying in bed at 7 am (I'll pull the quoted out of that game for you if no one else does me the favour of linking it).
He keeps mentioning that town Palmar will find scum. This is obviously pro town. It is anti-town to this Palmar is scum. Palmar is obviously town. How can you guys not see Palmar is town? Palmar is town. But we can lynch him later it's okay.
Funny thing is, he votes for him later despite being somewhat active and having reads. Y u scum Snarfs?
"Guy's I'm catching up!"
On February 07 2013 23:54 Snarfs wrote:
Here and catching up now. I'm just on page 20 and I see Djo is voting Palmar as well??
Guys, Palmar is not a lynch target day 1. Why? Because if he's town, he will find scum! And if he doesn't find scum, we lynch him later in the game! It's that simple! He's too hard to read otherwise, and this is by far the best indicator of his alignment. Lynching him day 1 is way too risky in a cost/benefit sense.
As for people doubting my read on VE (clearly this is the case as no one seems to be listening), if you have time right now please look through my history for the game where I vig'd VE night 1 when him and ace were scum. It was one of bugs' games, I can't remember the name right now and I'm on my phone or I'd look it up myself. He's playing exactly like that!
Now I'm going to finish catching up. I can make a more detailed case on VE when I'm not lying in bed at 7 am (I'll pull the quoted out of that game for you if no one else does me the favour of linking it).
On February 08 2013 01:25 Snarfs wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up give me another little bit to get to my computer and I'll do up that case on VE.
-SNIP-
On February 11 2013 06:49 Snarfs wrote:
Bah, I hate saying I'm gonna come back and catch up and then not actually being able to contribute, but my dad wants to go for a walk with the dog.
I'm still not sure on who to lynch today after Palmar's last post. I like killing yamato. And Oats. And VE still.
I'll be back later to post more.
"Dog ate my posts" excuse.
He keeps saying he's reading. We should assume you're reading and catching up. Saying it once or twice is fine, but he seems really paranoid about it. "They might think I'm not reading, better tell them". He's also lurking like a boss with family excuses. That's okay, but it's a real cop-out on doing things.
The JX lynch
There's little to quote here. Never once did Snarfs TALK to or question JX. Town are interested in the lynch, and want to find out the most about the outstanding candidates. Snarfs DID NOT DO THIS. He PUSHED VE the entire day, and did nothing else. He didn't give a SINGLE SHIT (That's no shits given in case you were counting) about the JX lynch. He knew he was town. He didn't want to get involved. All he did was push VE, and then push himself FURTHER away from the lynch here:
On February 08 2013 10:27 Snarfs wrote:
Hey guys, I'm here from now until deadline, just working on some homework on the side.
I haven't had a time to go back over JX's games, but I'm in the same boat as Palmar. Just from a cursory glance, I don't see anything scum-motivated.
You don't see anything scum-motivated? Then why aren't you trying to stop this lynch instead of facerolling over VE?
On February 08 2013 10:56 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Snarfs, you havent actually linked VE's meta in this game to his meta in his scum game. Care to do so? Or you just want to tunnel him to oblivion.
Have your read changed since your vote?
Since VE isnt gonna get lynched today, Snarfs, are you gonna waste your vote? I've tried to make myself as clear as possible in linking VE's meta to this game. I think that some other people who have played with VE in the past are also picking up on it so I feel like I'm finally starting to make my point. And I think JX is gonna get lynched either way.
Oats is completely right here. Snarfs wasted his vote -- he didn't want to be tied to the JX lynch.
In reference to the red part, he really doesn't care about this lynch...
Dawn into day 2
This was basically his contributiong dawn phase:
On February 09 2013 10:17 Snarfs wrote:
No matter who gets picked, I really don't want to see anyone WIFOMing about why it happened. The lynch choice has to be whoever is most likely to be scum, or least likely to be town. The worst thing that can happen to this town is to waste time trying to guess why scum would pick whoever they end up picking.
This was RIGHT before day hit. About 4 or 5 people in the thread, including me, had already said that exact same thing. He essentially copy+pasted what we were saying and posted it to seem pro-town. Kill this guy.
In day 2, this is what he did:
On February 09 2013 12:04 Snarfs wrote:
##Vote Palmar
Scummiest so far.
Pretty much it. Called inactive Palmar frustrating and that was it.
Today
On February 11 2013 16:24 Snarfs wrote:
Can someone please summarize the points against me so I can address them? I'm sorry but as I've alluded to before, this weekend is very busy for me with family as it is the family day long weekend in BC and I'm away from home visiting my dad. I'm still down with Yamato, Oats, and Ve. My preference is VE > Oats > Yamato.
To summarize while I have time:
VE: not scum hunting like normal, placing wishy washy votes and not really caring. Not giving good reasoning for actions.
Oats: No reason for town to attempt to discredit prplhz like he did, whether prplhz is town or scum doesn't matter, Oats deliberately attempted to mislead us with his quotes.
Yamato: similar feeling as VE, doesn't seem to be trying to find scum, more just playing the "see what gets me by card".
If anyone doesn't have a good enough argument for these people though, I will gladly address their questions when I find time tomorrow.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Right from the start of the day.
Why is he not pressuring people? He keeps tunneling VE!!!! Town want to explore ALL POSSIBLE LYNCH CANDIDATES. I haven't seen a single piece of original thought / pressure / questions from Snarfs considering his "other possible lynch candidates"
He's NOT trying to find scum this game. Snarfs is blindly tunneling someone, and it is completely obvious.
In addition, Snarfs is letting other people do his dirty work for him. SlOosh and others have been asking all the questions to VE, interpretting the responses, etc. ---> Snarfs has done next to nothing himself <----. He is allowing other people (who, if town, doesn't know the true intentions of) do everything for him at this point. This is not town motivated. This is scum.
To Summarize:
-Snarfs is playing extremely safe with reads early on, only aggressively calling out a single player.
-He didn't care about the JX lynch. Never attempted to read JX. Never considered any other candidate but VE.
-He is blindly tunneling VE the entire game, and allowing others to do his work for him. He is disinterested in any other candidate but VE -- highly scum motivated in thought.
-He be lurking like hell.
-Paranoid by always saying he's reading and catching up, but providing little to no useful analysis.
Scum want this VE lynch to go through, and it is coming together too easily.
I don't care if Palmar said lynch Yamato or what-have-you. He's scummy, but Snarfs is almighty scumster extraordinaire. Becuase I'm positive Snarfs is mafia, VE is therefore likely not mafia.
People, Snarfs is blinding you guys. He is shining scum from the rooftops and you guys cannot see it. Should have killed this guy D1. Lynch Snarfs.
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Like, ugh, why aren't we lynching snarfs right now.
He fits scum absolutely perfectly.
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Wasn't referring to you specifically Yamato, but I know where your vote is.
All aboard the Snarfs wagon of justice!
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^ Nah Oats, I'm the scummy dude here trying to derail this VE lynch and switching my meta based read on Yamato like a boss.
Choo choo!
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been voting snarfs all day. /thread.
Jay just bus your scumbuddy Snarfs already.
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Jay, C'mon. This is really pathetic. All you do is keep yelling Lynch VE and nothing else. You're reasoning for dubbing me scum are equally are lulzy.
Give me one reason we should lynch VE over Snarfs.
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On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird.
My town read on VE is based on scum like Snarfs wanting to lynch him. VE is weird, I'll give him that. Scummier than Snarfs? No fucking way, not in a million years.
Lynch Snarfs, he'll flip scum.
SlOosh, I actually think you're town. So tell me why we should lynch VE over Snarfs. Snarfs is 10x scummier by comparison.
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On February 13 2013 07:22 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay, C'mon. This is really pathetic. All you do is keep yelling Lynch VE and nothing else. You're reasoning for dubbing me scum are equally are lulzy.
Give me one reason we should lynch VE over Snarfs. Oh don't worry about me I'm totes scum. Wanna follow up with a case CC
Avoid the question, nice. Sure, I'll follow up with a case once we lynch Snarfs. What are you afraid of, punk?
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Snarfs is by far the better lynch today -.-
This VE thing reeks of scum and came about so quickly.
"VE has done alot of scummy things"
"He is being soft defended"
Nice reasons. Now lynch snarfs plz. He is indisputably scum.
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Mocsta, I at least think you have some reason here. What say you to snarfs lynch?
I have no idea what the scum rationale is supposed to be for this supposed mislynch anyway. Scum would have bussed VE so fucking hard, hit there heads on the ground doing so.
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There is zero town motiv for anything Snarfs has done... t.t.
On February 13 2013 07:30 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. My town read on VE is based on scum like Snarfs wanting to lynch him. VE is weird, I'll give him that. Scummier than Snarfs? No fucking way, not in a million years. Lynch Snarfs, he'll flip scum. SlOosh, I actually think you're town. So tell me why we should lynch VE over Snarfs. Snarfs is 10x scummier by comparison. I'm actually doing a full reread right now to be objective as I can. VE has been actively scum, in the sense that twisting the situation and misinterpretation are actively scummy things to do. As I understand it people view Snarfs scummy for calling out VE and not doing anything else - in essence a lurker type scum. There are much less town explanations for someone actively misconstruing situations etc. than it is for someone who isn't doing as much as you would expect. But yea, I'm doing a reread now and will come back with what I find. The fact is everyone started posting D3 and it is very convoluted, so D1 D2 information will serve as very good sources of evidence, especially given the newer Palmar flip.
You sound like you're rereading with the preconception that VE is scum --- that's hardly objective at all imo.
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On February 13 2013 07:37 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mocsta, I at least think you have some reason here. What say you to snarfs lynch?
I have no idea what the scum rationale is supposed to be for this supposed mislynch anyway. Scum would have bussed VE so fucking hard, hit there heads on the ground doing so. Why would they buss VE harder when he is scum then when he is town?
Scum are on VE's wagon. They can't bus a townie t.t. They are reluctant to bus Snarfs, their scum mate.
I bet Snarfs is just sitting around watching this shit happen too.
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GJ scum, don't bus your scum dude.
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I honestly can't believe you guys are this blind.
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Just lynch Snarfs. I'll give my left nut if he flips town. If he does, you guys can systematically lynch VE and myself the following non-nomination days and win the game. Seriously, holy shit.
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SlOosh, thanks for being open.
Look at the VE wagon - how many scummy people are on it? Why won't the entire scum team be on the Snarfs wagon to push this mislynch? It makes no sense. Scum are on this VE wagon, which was initially propelled by you, and are sheeping the crap out of it.
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VE, kindly STFU. SlOosh is actually most likely town. He actually gives a shit.
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Like seriously VE you wouldn't be in this situation if you put your act together. You're just lucky I'm realizing Snarfs is undoubtedly scum.
In short VE, do something constructive instead of being the mafia's lynchbait.
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Like, I have this feeling that VE will flip town, and then the scum will pile onto the 1-2 townies actually on the VE wagon.
Wagon of justice = snarfs
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On February 13 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
MY ACT IS TOGETHER BITCH WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! I'M LYNCHING SCUM I'VE BEEN PUSHING SCUM ALL FUCKING GAME
So have I, but currently you're set to be lynched. Also, calm the fuck down with capslock and stop spamming. Either try to convince people that you're town or shut up and stop digging your own grave.
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If you're town and on the VE wagon, I suggest switching over right the hell now. There is no way Snarfs flips town.
If he does, well, I guess town has easy scum lynches ahead of them don't they?
You lynch VE, he flips town, and town is left with deciding who is scum amongst everyone on the VE wagon.
You lynch Snarfs, he flips town, town knows exactly who to lynch. If VE flips town we are absolutely fucked.
Snarfs will flip red, and Gee-fucking-gee man.
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On February 13 2013 07:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
You lynch Snarfs, he flips town, town knows exactly who to lynch. If VE flips town we are absolutely fucked.
. Mr.CC you realise you're referring to yourself here ?
If Snarfs flips town, that means I'm scum, right? It's a hypothetical situation. Y'all can just pwn me or VE in the face if that actually happens.
lol @ prphlz not caring....
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Like this is suicide for me and VE if we are scumbuddies... it makes no fucking sense at all. We'd be 2 for 1 trading.
Wagon of justice = Snarfs
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On February 13 2013 08:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Holy fuck Sloosh why did you unvote VE now snarfs is gonna get lynched no matter what unless phagga comes back WTF THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk
mad?
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Pineapples are great scumhunters. Let's shove one up Snarfs keister.
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Welcome to the wagon of justice, SlOosh. Free beers all around.
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^____________________^
Take THAT Jay!
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I'm going to lurk now. Will post a bunch of reads just before end of dawn phase so it doesn't influence nominations.
Debears, I urge you to read quickly.
TAKE THAT JAY
CHEESECAKE OUT!
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Got a few mins between dis class.
On February 13 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
phagga, if you are not up for nomination you are scum
Cos tha boss said so.
Not sure if Mocsta scum or jester. What's the purpose on this post? I need to reread Mocsta, wrote him off as town ever since first nominatons.
I want to say shit right now but I'm waiting until dawn phase to ejaculate a thought-provoking post. Anyone around to discuss SlOosh?
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On February 13 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im here, I am not willing to call slOosh town yet, still null for me
What bugs you about his vote switch? I was reading him as really townie trying to figure stuff out and come to the correct conclusion. I actually didn't think I was going to convince him to join the Snarfs wagon, and it was a long uphill battle. You think he could have last minute bussed -- is that really optimal scum play?
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I'll admit it looked like he conceded really suddenly. I actually thought he was joking when he said that I was right and he would sheep me etc etc.
VE was ahead by a few votes with Phagga / prphlz on board. I think SlOosh was really the deciding factor when he unvoted, and ultimately the motion changer. I think his vote switch was the least scummy of them all, so (perhaps) you should reconsider that fact on it's own.
Oats -- you also mention that hiding scumreads is scummy for the Dawn phase. Why? I don't much like Phagga but it's a null point to hide reads until nomination phase start.
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On February 13 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hiding scumreads normally is scummy, and I dont see why its different in this case.
At least we can use the 24 hours productively.
I dont think we should discuss who scum is gonna put up though.
Also DEBEARS, you havent posted anything since your opening post.
Well, it influences who scum will nominate to WIFOM us. That's why I'm going to draft up a post and wait until the day start to post it. I do think, however, we should be discussing motivation / intention / reason right now -- not making cases.
Are you for hail mary lynching dibbers tomorrow, Oats? Provided he does nothing useful -- null read throughout.
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Hey VE, I know I saved your ass from being lynched and all, but it doesn't give you the excuse to jack off and do nothing the rest of the game. So kindly do things my good sir.
Love,
Mr. Cheesecake
P.S. What is with people using the word "waffles" for Phagga and people using the word expounded this game? Like jeeze. It's made this re-skim painful.
Also VE, what you think of Mocsta. His filter is like quicksand; I just keep getting sucked deeper and deeper until I can't breathe. I wrote him off as town because nominated D2. (If you want to save the response for apres nominations, it's kewl brah)
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On February 14 2013 09:07 Mocsta wrote:Hi Mr. CC, you know what they say in mafia right? If you gotta problem, talk to me, build a case OR + Show Spoiler +Fuck off No sarcasm intended
lol'd
Also: Stop talking about nominations just wait a couple hours ffs
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And what does talking about not talking about reads achieve?
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This is actually hilarious. Reads up soon. I bet Mocsta disagrees with all of them.
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Anyway, this is probably another all townie lynch anyway. I doubt Mocsta is scum at this point, just incredibly lulzy.
I'm just confused as to why the fuck, if we're all in this scumteam, that I voted Snarfs since day 1 (and almost got him lynched, right?), snarfs did nothing but attack his scum mate all game, etc etc. Seriously, it's really a stretch. I have no idea who the fourth guy is in this ridiculous bus marathon we've got going on. Probably Yamato since I've waffled on him so hard.
Hey, there's that word again.
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Jay
- Picks the "easy target" of Djo early on, votes JX with no interaction with him. Easy consolidate vote.
+ Show Spoiler [Point 1] +On February 10 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:. JaybrundageVotes Djo for RNG bullshit. Case spoilered for reference. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 09:42 jaybrundage wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Howdy all The person that stuck out the post for me was Djo. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on him. He starts out with his post. He seemingly "randomly" picks Oats out for a RNG lynch. But he uses Oats post number and uses a number that will give him Oats as his target. Its not random so why does he call it random. On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Hi. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate. This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3. This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1. So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion. ## Vote Oats He proposes using the random lynch to create discussion. But then uses it as an excuse to stop conversation and discussion and not give his thoughts on Mocsta. On February 06 2013 20:46 Djodref wrote:
And to answer your question, I did not say that you did exactly what you did in your last scum game. But while reading, I also thought about this game before Oats brought it up in the thread.
So, yeah, I'm suspicious of you but not enough to drop my random lynch on Oats ^^ When Oats ask's him what his thoughts are on lynching him. Djo again dodges the question further showing that he never intended to try to participate in the conversation and discussion that his RNG lynch was supposed to create. He instead sidesteps the question because he wants other players to comment first. Citing Palmar as well trying to get solid town vet behind it. On February 06 2013 21:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo,
You said the random lynch was to choose the target right? And to start discussion around the target right?
So what do you think about lynching me? I'd like to answer this question after I get the input from other players if you don't mind. I also would like Palmar to weight in on the random lynch thing ^^ How sure are you that Mocsta is scum by the way ? What is the most definite case you can bring against him ? Every since his RNG lynch he has been pushing Oats and not really contributing hiding behind his lynch to get away with saying anything of significance. Town Djo can write a damn good case. I think we have scum Djo here hiding behind a RNG to not contribute. Also note his complete disappearing act after contributing nothing.
##Vote Djodref My concern with this is, it's an easy case to make. Scum want to pick out the easymode lynches. Kind of like how people pick on Mr. Z for being 'obvious scum' when he's always town, the guy that attacks him in usually scum. Like Mr. Z, Djo is an extremely easy target to point a finger at this early in the thread. No comments on Mocsta - Oats penis measuring contest, just snipes at Djo. His next big revelation is that JX has been useless and he would loves to lynch him: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote:
@Oats my biggest scum read atm is Djo as i said so far. However as the day goes on ill be willing to consolidate if no one wants to lynch djo
I also think JX has been useless so far and wouldn't mind lynching him. Okay, so an easy vote and an easy scumread on JX because he's useless and stuff. Then there's this post... Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:25 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2013 13:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.
Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo Rofl didn't even read the game you cohosted. Trolling you in scum QT was fun And yes that flavor was sexy not gonna lie. @Yamato You have alot more town reads then i would expect. Im also very interested in why you read prphz and CC they way you do. What made you think there town? Also is lurking the only criteria you have for making scum. Remember that Mocsta said in his scum QT last time that he wanted to be a leader in the town as scum. He has the desire. I don't think your giving him enough credit as a scum player. Dismissing him just because he applies effort is a bit disconcerting. Did you think he was gonna just say im scum you got me. @Mocsta if you could rate your scum play 1-10 what would you rate it. @Djo you choice 12 in your RNG to pick Oats as far as i believe @CC Your current best scum read. Also your biggest townie read @prphz Stop lurking. @JX Stop lurking @Palmar Stop lurking Oh my goodness this post. Asks questions to half the thread. I don't understand what the point of 'stop lurking' to 3 people and asking mocsta what he'd rate his scumplay have to do with scumhunting buuuut okay. He proceeds then to pressure Djo for more of his RNG bullshit, which is bullshit sure, but this pressure is not really achieving anything. His vote on JX is suspect because I can't find a place in his filter where he has a discussion with JX. His reasoning seems also very sheepish and weak. Overall, Jay is just that guy who goes for the ez 'loluobvscumbrah' vote, and then the ez sheep / consolidate vote.
- Hardcore sheeps Palmar about Yamato. Incredibly easy case to make, because most of it was made for him.
- Sheeps onto the projected VE lynch early (signs of him doing this late D1-D2), pushes it super hard against my Snarfs lynch. Never ever considers a Snarfy lynch.
- Says I'm scum because of my vote switches and "stopped giving opinions". I never vote switched yesterday, and I was flip flopping reads and doing scummy things with my opinion. This scum isn't reading, or at least contradicting himself.
+ Show Spoiler [Point 4] +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:
Oats/CC: Oats and CC are scum because they have avoided the radar and stopped giving there opinions on things after town didn't suspect them. They haven't been under suspicion at all recently and they use it. To do nothing, That is a giant scum tell in my eyes.
-SNIP- Idk about Oats, but I was 'flip flopping' on Yamato so hardcore during this time, talking to SlOosh about VE, and Snarfing up the thread. Jay is not reading, or at least using false evidence. On February 13 2013 07:09 jaybrundage wrote:
Mr.CC is also probably scum as well given his vote switches How many times did I switch my vote? Zero. Prove false evidence.
- Has generally been playing with what other people have already said, or going for easy lynches.
Phagga
- Paranoid early on, just like Snarfs. (This is an opinion)
- Sheepy as fuck on JX. Zero interaction with him.
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PhaggaHe's really friggen paranoid. Take a look-see On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:26 Mocsta wrote:
Fair enough, but are u implying that you thought his attitude was conducive to an open environment.
Oats has a (recent) tendency to post one liners asking to expound points already clarified. The outcome. Shit questions get shit answers.
Maybe u thought I over stepped the line in dissing him. But he was going out of his way to cherry pick sentences in a paragraph. For day1 i have been trying to promote discussion. I would contest he was actively killing the discussion. When did he promote an alternative?
If you want to judge me as null fine. But don't imply he is a saint in this but referencing only me. I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 17:13 Mocsta wrote:On February 06 2013 17:05 phagga wrote:On February 06 2013 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck you VE, I WILL NEVER SUBMIT. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT AND ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS.
Also,
Phagga, do you have any thoughts about,
VE lurker lynching
Mocsta+Me 'argument'
Short on time. I agree with the lurker lynching early as we cannot differentiate between lurkers and scum later on and we have no mechanic to clear lurkers / confirm them town. Will post more later. I hope you do, thats essentially a re-cap of two pages of thread. I just want to add something shorty in terms of lynching lurkers: D1 lynches are often crapshots, Kitaman analysed in anohter thread that town would be better off RNG the D1 lynch generally than trying to analyse and find scum. Combine this with the beformentioned fact that we have mechanics to differentiate lukers from scum or get rid of them, I therefore embrace a lynch on a lurker on who we cannot get an alignement read, should one be available. Phagga. Marv in Mafia LIX proved you can scum hunt day. As I keep saying I thought the whole point of this game setup was to mitigate lurking. Why are we talking about lurking again, and there prioritization over scum reads? If u want to counter and gibe the kitamen spiel again. Let's say your RNG plan found traction. Are you suggesting if you were the rolled lynch candidate that you would accept your fate without putting up a fight? First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO:
- If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him
- If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him.Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers. I mentioned this earlier and it still bugs me. "Holy crap I didn't mean to come off scummy I never ever meant to suggest we RNG votes thats so anti-town I'm not anti-town guys seriously". Phagga comes off as suuuuuper paranoid, like he's got something to cover up. In addition, the bottom bolded part is more obvious than Mr. Obvious McObvious. Nice contribution to the thread! He also comes off as paranoid here: On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 02:34 phagga wrote:
At everyone voting Palmar so far, go have a look at Death note Mafia (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625). Palmar was trolly/lurkish D1 and was misslynched D1 with the exact same arguments as this game. I know He could be scum, but I feel that lynch is much more volatile than JX, of who I feel sure he will flip scum. Seems like a shiton of meta reads going down this game, myself included in this one. I think we should start leaning towards analyzing in-game behavior more. Phagga, you still irk me as being paranoid as all hell and now you're lurking like a boss. Since you decided to pop in here to defend Palmar, what say you to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX? Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it. Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him I ask him if he'd like to lynch Snarfs with me, and completely is like "No wtf I said I'm lynching JX what are you even talking about" Next is his sheepy reasons for voting JX On February 07 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:My vote goes to JieXian for coming into the thread and voting Mocsta for a bad reason, then completely disappearing again. ##Vote JieXianRegarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 01:41 phagga wrote:
Regarding Palmar, I dont like how he throws a vote without explanation and then in his next post he implies: "Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay?"
Sloosh, do you mean me talking about lurkers or about Mocsta/Oats? Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 02:19 Palmar wrote:
Guys, I got this really good plan for tomorrow so don't lynch me today even though I might be lurking, mkay? Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now. prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours. I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them. He literally gives a sentence to support it, and it's been said before. By myself and by some others. The rest of the thread he doesn't even question JX much, just keeps his vote content there while he talks about prphlz and pressures VE. He has this huge post about VE and his voting with red text and all, but never votes him... he's confident in the JX lynch somehow. It's confusing: is he avoiding talking of JX in order to distance himself from a green flip? I see no scumhunting from him in regards to JX the entirety of day. Such little interaction with him. It's like he was more concerned about a next lynch so he can set up his scumread on VE after JX dies.
- Knew Palmar was town before he flipped.
- Wants to lynch Yamato because he was wrong about JX and Palmar. Lol.
+ Show Spoiler [Points 3 + 4] +This is BEFORE Palmar has flipped. He also soft-defends Snarfs here by saying that scum probably won't be lurking. On February 10 2013 08:13 phagga wrote:Yamato: You posted this nice little list here. JX as flipped town, and Palmar is probably town due to nomination, so who are your scum reads currently? Also, what are your reasons that you read me as scum?
I have posted an early analysis of Yamatos play here which resulted in me leaning scum on him. Here are a few more things I noticed when going through his filter. Some of these are minor compared to the points I brought up in the other post, but they reinforce my read on Yamato. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:04 yamato77 wrote:On February 07 2013 13:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Either Yamato is scum or bad. I think bad is more likely Sorry yamato Why do you think that? Perhaps some of what I've done this game hasn't gone the way I intended it to, but hey, shit happens. What about the things I am doing make you think I'm bad? I think I have a good chunk of the game figured out already. This is 26 hours into the game, and Yamato has the game figured out, or at least a good chunk of it already. That's pretty bold, considering that some players had been barely active up to that and several had not made any hard stances whatsoever.Unless, of course, he already knows the alignement of every player, which would make him scum. Now, let's have a look at this list: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote:
In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it.
TOWN
Oats
Sloosh
VE
Mocsta
Jay
Prplhz
CC
NULL
Djo
Phagga
MAFIA
Palmar
JX
Snarfs
The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo.
I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them. Two of his 3 scum reads have already turned out to be town, that's how much he figured out the game. The really interesting part however is that the 3 people he lists as mafia are all lurkers who had all been called out by someone else already. THIS LIST IS EXTREMELY SAFE FOR A SCUM PLAYER. He does not list any scum behaviour for any of those people except for "they lurk" or in snarfs case: Show nested quote +Yamato77 wrote like 10 minutes earlier:
don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. That's the only reasoning why snarfs is in that list. Where is the alignement indication in this sentence? What makes snarfs scum? We don't know. Now I know it is not unheard of that 3/4th of a scum team lurks. But keep in mind that this game was designed specifically to force the scum team to be active. Of course there can still be a lurker (which is why for example VE or me advocated a Lynch all Lurker policy, or a variant thereof), but chances are that in this very game the majority of the scum team will be active. I say Yamato posted that list to present reads, and therefor make the impression that he is contributing. However, he knew that with this list he would barely be attacked/questioned for his reads. There were several other players for each of his scum reads who shared the sentiment at that point, and it would be easy for him to look contributing and hide in the masses at the same time. About his Mocsta case:Yamato was the third player to vote Mocsta after Oats and JX, and he first refused to make a case. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 02:07 yamato77 wrote:
Anyone not willing to lynch Mocsta after reading his filter in those two games needs to provide a better reason than his "activity", please. It's quite clear to me that he's mafia. After being called out by sloosh he made a case, which was deemed weak by many (including me). Now, a weak case is not necessarily a scum trait, as town is able to produce them as well. So, let's just go forward and look at how Yamato later backs down from his case: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. Also, in my experience, people that are this wrong about me are often town, a la Vivax in LIX. I'm content with the idea that he actually has a scumread on me, instead of it being an outright lie.
Obviously some of you think he's mafia, such as jay and Oats, so why don't you guys make your own case? I think Djo made a decent point, yes, but I still think he might be town despite it. I thought my case was good, too, but he still might be town despite that. Yes, this is wishy-washy, as I've been accused of, but in all honesty D1 reads change very quickly.
If you think I'm bad/scum for thinking he might be town after all this, you need to justify your read better. Mocsta is town because he defended himself, and because he is reading Yamato in the wrong alignment. How are this reasons in any way alignement indicative? I don't see how a townie backs down from a case for this. And then he lists several points that (in his opinion) speak against Mocsta, but Mocsta is town despite that. And, of course, all this wishy-washy-behaviour from yamato is no scum trait of him, oh no, you need to get better reasons. So he even knows he behaves like scum, but does nothing to avoid it, and instead puts the burden on all the others to find more reasons to prove he is scum. However, when you are town, would you not try to avoid this in the first place? Because first of all, it saves you a lot of trouble to prove that you are not scum, and second, it saves your town teammates the trouble of going through your filter to find out if you are indeed scum or not. Since his list post Yamatos reads have barely changed. He made Djo town and me scum at some point, that's about it. So now that two of his 4 scum reads have flipped town, I'm eager to know who else is mafia for him. Nevertheless, Yamato is scum.
- Scummy as shit vote switch onto Snarfs wagon.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote switch] +On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote:
phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick. That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE. ##Vote: VisceraEyes Let's lynch VE guys! He scum! Nothing he does makes sense! less than 20 mins later, sloosh has unvoted, and is indicative like he will move over. SHIT BETTER BUS!!! On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote:
You know what, fuck it.
##unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Snarfs
let's lynch the scummy lurker. dat bus
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If either of these guys is up for nomination I will vote them almost guaranteed.
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Yamato
He's an enigma, and this game he's hard to read.
- Judging by meta, I think he's town. He's way more calm / level headed and less confirmation biased / stupid than any other game I've played with him. I don't think he can project this different attitude with me as scum.
- Judging by actions, he is somewhat scummy. Refer to my case on him earlier.
- I do like that he was voting Snarfs with me. Possible bus because maybe he thought VE was gonna get lynched anyway? Who knows.
A fairly null tell, and not a decent lynch candidate for tomorrow. Hell, because I'm doubting it so much he's probably town. There is just too much conflicting in my head about him to want to lynch him over one of these other dudes.
Prphlz
Leaning scum.
- Made a case on me, which was very terrible because it involved mainly meta (and a bad example to connect it to). However, it was a pretty ballzy case considering I wasn't even considered a viable lynch target. Idk if scum would do that.
- Stayed put on the VE lynch. Interesting, he didn't 'bus' Snarfs, but expressed disinterest in the lynch.
- Came in before JX's lynch and was like "Omg he's probably not scum... I want to lynch Jay" But no vote.
I think VE and SlOosh are super awesome town at this point. Oats is up there. Mocsta most likely town due to lolfilter. Debears obviously stupid null.
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Mocsta, what would have happened if this supposed bus failed? Say I couldn't convince SlOosh or anyone else over to the wagon of justice. Wouldn't that apparently be GG for the scumteam?
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On February 14 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mocsta, what would have happened if this supposed bus failed? Say I couldn't convince SlOosh or anyone else over to the wagon of justice. Wouldn't that apparently be GG for the scumteam? Why? If anything you setup for even easier win. If VE lynched red; pretty easy for Snarfs to go.. I knew it all along, thank me for riding him hard this entire game. The gambit is actually pretty clever.
Yeah, thing is I know you're wrong Mocsta. Sorry to disappoint you, but that would be pretty epic if we all were in some weird scumteam going on.
I'm confident at least one of Phagga/jay is scum. Maybe Prphlz. Probably Debears at this point (3-person scumteams are getting hard to pin, I'm thinking Debears might be part of it)
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Jay, as much as I'd like to believe that , I have some doubts. But Phagga does seem very tempting for tomorrow as well, heh. I'm sure one of you guys is le scum.
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LOL'D at Jay's KILL IT WITH FIRE HAHAHA
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But Debears I'm really disappoint I thought you'd have more by now. Y u no read faster?
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On February 14 2013 12:44 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 12:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay, as much as I'd like to believe that , I have some doubts. But Phagga does seem very tempting for tomorrow as well, heh. I'm sure one of you guys is le scum. Do you want to lynch Phagga or not. It seems like he is the scummiest person in the thread atm. His vote change to bus Snarfs. His flip flopping all game. His paranoid posting habits and lack of hard stances. His giant case on VE then his lack of even a vote to follow up. Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 12:27 Mocsta wrote:
jay.. awesome you think phagga is on the cards tomorrow; but, right now, its about whose on the chopping block today.
Where are you standing currently. I think that we have three townies up on the block. So it doesn't really matter imo. You have a scum read on CC. So vote him. I dont think it matters tho because I think your all town.
Ofc I want to lynch Phagga. But I'm infinitely paranoid of you, jay. You're really going to have to convince me you're town, even if Phagga flips red.
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##vote: Mocsta
sorry guys i be lurky cus work and V day. this shld be sekf explanatory. sloosh is town imo.
update after i get home
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Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,
@Debears
Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.
"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"
I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.
Phagga best lynch evar atm.
##Vote: Phagga
At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum.
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On February 17 2013 13:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,
@Debears
Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.
"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"
I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.
Phagga best lynch evar atm.
##Vote: Phagga
At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum. As I said, he could possibly have been scum bussing his partner because he thought prp or someone else woulf switch to snarfs But seriously, how many times have you seen scum be the deciding vote in a bus on their partner?
SlOosh was the deciding vote, not him. He knew SlOosh was going to switch over, it was fairly obvious. So he bussed his scumbuddy.. Just look at it chronologically; Phagga votes VE. Sloosh unvotes VE, says he might go to snarfs. Phagga votes Snarfs, Sloosh hammers. Phagga bus brah.
Oats conspiracy theories so gud, voting guy i want to lynch even though he thinks I'm scum.
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Dibbers, how can you even say prphlz has a better chance to flip red than Phagga? Phaggas cases have been pretty safe and somewhat sheepish at best, and he's been soup defendy most of the game. Prp has been lurky, yes, and show some disinterest in the game, ya, but are those really telltale scum signs? I think he has a good chance to flip red but not moreso than Phagga, and especially Jay.
Phagga much scummier than prp. i have some gripes with prp but you should consider lynching Phagga today, Dibbers. He explained his position but im still on the fence about his reasoning.
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There's only an hour left... ugh... the fact that there is such little resistance to this lynch is appauling. either a well done bus or a town lynch. Prphlz has a decent chance to flip scum imo, but the lack of interest in other candidates today is pretty bad. Prphlz, it's crucial that, if your town, you read dump so we have thr best chance of catching scum in he following days.
Saying that well be disappointed is well, disappointint
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I dont think anyone has balls. Not today.
Im still totes down to lynch jay --- phagga wont be dying this day.
but you're still prolly scum. Either way, your alignment flip should cast a ray of light on this situation
who are the other scum with jay prp??
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confirmed balls. srsly, if ur town give us reads...
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you know... i have no idea anymore. Jay/phagga/debears? i still hate the idea of VE scum cus that would mean i directed a scum lynch into another scum lynch, heh. SlOosh i really think is town else hes playing a great game here. Prp started to piss me off cus he wouldnt even give us a slightest indication of reads before he died.... jesus christ. Dead guy said Jay scum that means he scum right? T.T
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whatever, scum too busy discussing in the qt who to nominate. Afk rest of day
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okay so rly tired and stuff. Ill do a little writeup tomorrow, right now i think its reasonable to assume sthis is yet another 3 town lynch. We need to concentrate our efforts on the upcoming lynch, because its the last chance we have to catch us some scummers.
I have a few more ideas other than 'Lol jay / phagga scum'.
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Jay might not be scum!
Okay, some of you are about to go WTF LOL NO WAI JAY SCUM BRAH!!! But hear me out. Jay has been taking so much flak from every single person in the game. Ever since his shit D1 plays to his hardcore attempt to get VE lynched --- everyone has been hounding him and yelling scum at him, including myself. I ask myself these questions; who are his scumbuddies? With the exception of Phagga, I can't really pin him with anyone else. Oats, dibbers, VE, all seem very unlikely candidates. Tomorrow's proposed Jay lynch seems as if it would come much too easily; everyone wants to lynch him. Well done busses throughout the entire game, or a misguided townie. Common likeliness would suggest the latter. I've got my gripes with scummyJay over this game, but at some point I have to let it go. He pushed VE, who is likely not scum atm -- so what. He's just my antithesis but that doesn't indicate scum every single time -- it just means he read actions differently and was confirmation biased on VE being red.
I hate to think this, I really do. Jay I fucking hate you so much and I want to lynch you. My heart says JAYSCUMBRO, but my brain states otherwise.
I've pinned two scummers right here
Phagga and Debears
Phagga is scum. This is nearly undebatable. His actions throughout the thread have pushed a mafia agenda and defend himself throughout. Almost nowhere in his filter did he wish to lynch Snarfs. At best, Snarfs was his "alternate" lynch (read: bus) throughout the game.
Now Debears has been the so-called coinflip in this matter. Not here during the entirety of day 2-3, we are unable to observe Debear's actions. Since Debear's replacement he has:
- Tunneled Jay
- Not wanted to lynch Phagga
- Said Phagga was moderately scummy but has to lynch Jay
Now, what was so startling about Debears to me is his read on Phagga's vote. He said that it was a townish vote, and his overall read on Phagga was slight town. I'm thinking to myself: "How did Debears come to this conclusion?" Unless he has some sort of extra information, there is no conceivable way that Debears can find Phagga's vote NOT scummy. I know town Dibbers, and he would have been all over that vote shit. Debears was trying to keep Phagga off the ballot yesterday by soft-defending him. Nor did he push Prplhz, just tunneled Jay the entire day.
A town replacement at this stage of the game has ZERO information. Did Debears read the thread and come to his own conclusions? I think so, yes. But why is he tunneling Jay? He is the EASIEST mislynch target for him and scum Phagga. Debears actions thus far have shown nothing but soft-defending Phagga and hard-tunneling Jay. He has hardly ever mentioned Oats, VE, or other targets of interest besides giving them town reads.
Who is the third scum?
50% Oats, 50% VE. Straight up. Neither of the above scum have pushed VE other than Snarfs, but as well all like to assume this game is a huge bus fest. Oats is just Oats and he could be anything. I'm not sold on VE scum right yet, so I say we lynch Phagga tomorrow. When he flips red, we lynch Debears. Then we deal with Oats and VE.
Who to lynch today?
Tbh I've got a bigger hard on for SlOosh than Yamato. Both are probably town, so it doesn't matter we won't catch scum today.
Sorry brother, you still have the highest chance to flip scum
##Vote: Yamato
Everyone just take a minute. Look at Phagga real good in relation to Snarfs and Debears. Look at Debear's posts about Phagga. Hell, just look at Phagga by himself.
Jay not best lynch tomorrow, Phagga best lynch.
Wagon of justice, confirmed. More to come later, extrapolating on some quotes and examples. Until then, work.
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wow thats a sheep if i have ever seen one jay. good for you its on the wagon of justice.
but dont interpret this as a free pass.
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Jay, you're prolly town. that last post just seemed kinda weirdly timed. still, its a wagon of justice. and i like that you're on it. There still lingers a possibility that you both are scum, so any buddying of me will get you nowhere. im paranoid of you jay, to say the least. i really hope you are town and im not fucking it up
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phagga and you, jay. but i think you being town ties up so many loose ends. its just in the back of my mind, is all.
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regardless, phagga is scum. i cant put a team together without him involved in some way. debears almost certainly with him
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Yeah. Seriously if you're scum jay fuck you.
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Debears, i dont think he is scum right now. what say you to phagga scum?
Jay isnt caught. hes just... in a bind. lol.
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cus phagga is 100% scum. so dibbers why shouldnt we lynch phagga?
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Town have to consolidate onto one target. Therefore, we must think about this as clearly as possible without any confirmation bias. I will take into consideration nobodies opinion but my own in this lynch; so many possible mafia (yes, that includes you Jay, Oats). I will need all 3 of towns votes to assist me in going about this wagon of justice.
For me, shouting VE scum all day is not productive. Nor is shouting Jay scum, Phagga scum, or anyone scum. I've been working all day and haven't gotten the chance to update my reads. A final report will be incoming tomorrow, and we will have ~ 24 hours to mull it over and decide.
I want to get this right and not fuck it up. I want my target to be 100% certain to flip scum. As such, I will reconsider my reads on Phagga / Jay (one of them is scum, this is a certainty. The recent loljayistown sheep on me is bothersome, but not entirely wrong) as well as VE.
The phagga / VE / Debears theory seems pretty good. But something is off here. It can't be this easy, nor should it be. Is Jay truly scum, or am I still just fucking paranoid? Is Phagga some mafia dude lurking in the shadows? Is VE just a retard? STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT!
GG SlOosh, the wagon of justice will go on in your name.
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Hey guys im lurking on phone cus cant sleep.
I think your, jay and yamato, confirmation bias is blinding you guys. firstly, association cases are boss riht now. debears is actually right on that point. its the entire reason i think Jay is town. so if you think association cases are bullshit, then that means i should vote Jay cus he scummy yo....
double bussing is unlikely, but its happened before and ive seen it in action. Could be the case here.
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I really hate to admit it, but debears making more sense than either of you guys. And he prolly scum, lol.
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Oh c'mon dibbers, i first suggested the phagga/ve/you scumteam. dont get all sour about it. what irks me is that everyone instantly sheeped it haha. i must be good or something.
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le wifom up in here. could be double bus could not be double bus. what do.
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Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right.
Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things.
I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice.
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Yamato you're either scum or an idiot if you dont want to take things slowly today.
unfortunately you're probably the latter.
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Sup dudes, this looks interesting
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All I gotta say is that Phagga and Debears are obv scumbuddies. I want to lynch either of them today. VE is like 50% chance scum, imo.
The fact that this lynch is going off rather uncontested at lylo is disturbing to say the least. Seems like everyone took my scumteam prediction and ran with it (which, I'm flattered to say that least :D) However, lynches like this usually never end up well for town.
VE you're being retarded calling Yamato scum. Just because he's pushing you doesn't make him scum -- it just makes him an idiot.
Debears I won't listen to any cases by you cus you're scum. I will, however, laugh in your face if you're trying to call Yamato scum.
I'd say the scumteam is Phagga / Debears / VE. If not VE, then Oats in substitution. The only other thing I can think of is something weird as shit like Phagga / Jay / Oats. Actually, Oats being involved really makes sense because he hard defended Phagga when everyone thinks he is scum. Phagga/dibber/Oats? Hmm. idk. In any case, Phagga is always scum lol. He's the best lynch target for today, because in every possible theory I can muster up he is scum.
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@Jay
You love how everyone instantly has a town-boner for you once I called you "prolly not scum"?
I've never had that power before, and I feel naughty.
What say you to Phagga lynch? Guaranteed scummer, and not somewhat of a diceroll like I see VE. If we lynch Phagga today, the nominations should make it clear who are the remaining scum. Like me and Yamato get put up with Oats or something, we lynch Oats and say he flips green, well then we know the phagga/ve/dibbers team was correct.
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Who knows, Debears could just be pulling a stunt if VE is town. I've seen people do it before -- you hard defend a townie to make them believe your scumbuddies at lylo, the other guy gets lynched et voila, you win because the entire town believed in a false scumbuddy theory.
Still, Phagga has a 100% chance to flip scum. He is indisputably scum. There are literally zero ways for a scumteam to be without Phagga in it somewhere. At least there is wiggle room with VE.
Lol @ Oats and capital letters.
Not caring about this lynch is probably the nullest tell ever btw, because both scum and town need this lynch to go their way. Silly Oats.
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On February 22 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scum doesnt NEED it to go their way,
Scum wants it yes, but its not the end of the world if we lynch scum
It is the end of the world if we lynch town.
Yes, they do. Let's say VE flips scum. Nominations we eliminate, say, Jay. Phagga falls. nominations again, then debears falls.
It's a domino effect. If scum gets lynched today, it's likely a concession. That's why I want to lynch Phagga. He is guarenteed scum, and with nominations we can pin the final two scum members with ease. There is no down side to lynching Phagga.
In addition, it seems most people don't care about this lynch, because they are just content to sit with their votes on an (albeit rather decent) scum candidate. VE is like a semi-wagon of justice. Phagga is the full wagon, two horses, guy with a monocle and top-hat wielding the whip.
Oats, I'm positive Phagga and Debears are scumteam extraordinaire. Problem is the third candidate. It could be you, and I'm not willing to risk that at lylo. Why take a chance when we don't have to? If you're town, you basically know the scumteam already (which is, the scumteam I originally proposed and everyone is sheeping). I don't. The little opposition to the lynch thus far, unwillingness to consider other candidates, etc leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth. I'm not understanding why a Phagga lynch is not going into effect. It's a fool-proof and guaranteed win for town.
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On February 22 2013 13:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Im townie as a mutha fucka fool. Dats why I was so hurt that they took out mah homie Mocsta. Town buddies 4 lyfe.
I'm fairly confident in my scum team. of Snarfs, VE, Debears, Phagga
I would be content lynching anyone of those. I dont feed as confident in Phagga just because of some nagging doubt. But I do feel very confident in VE being scum and Debears being scum.
People I will not lynch are:Yamato, CC, Oats, and GMarshal
VE not believing Yamato is town is pretty damn scummy. I see VE and debears bussing phagga tho. So regardless I think we will see everyone on one wagon.
But at the same time this is a good thing. We only need one townie to go on wrong wagon to lose the game. If we lynch someone we have to have unanimous decision from the townies.
I'm fairly certain that's the scumteam as well. The only thing that could be out of place for me is VE and Oats flip around. Wagon of justice it up. Once Phagga flips red, we've basically forced a concede.
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Oh, and you can't lynch Snarfs. I already took care of that.
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On February 22 2013 13:38 jaybrundage wrote:
We are not goign to see a concede especially if debears is on the scum team.
Phagga flips... scum put up me / yamato / somone else.. someone else dies... There is no way in hell I lynch anyone but Debears. It's a forced concede.
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And I doubt scum would want to play out the long arduous process of their demise.
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If it wasn't obvious, my town reads are Jay and Yamato. Yamato prolly town cus he's all facerolly and tried to lynch himself, etc. Jay because I can't pin him with a single person other than Phagga (who, may I add, will be getting lynched anyway).
But seriously Jay, if you're scum fuck you go to hell.
The question marks lay above Debears, Oats, Phagga, and VE. 3 of them are scum. I am positive on Phagga, dibbers, 70/30 with ve/oats. Once he falls, the rest crumble with ease.
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Okay?
##Vote: Debears
because he's scum with Phagga nearly guaranteed. Although Phagga is prime choice.
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On February 22 2013 14:06 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:02 yamato77 wrote:
CC put your money where your mouth is and lynch one of debears/VE. Seriously you scum really want VE and me gone badly. Hell, I know we are good as town and all, but this is just stupid But for real, CC READ MY CASES DAMNIT. Why in the hell do you want to lynch phagga over jay??? Why????
Because who is Jay scum with? Phagga perhaps, maybe Oats? I doubt it. But Phagga is in that scumteam still.
I soft-confirmed Jay a while ago, sorry you can't understand that.
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On February 22 2013 14:06 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 13:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If it wasn't obvious, my town reads are Jay and Yamato. Yamato prolly town cus he's all facerolly and tried to lynch himself, etc. Jay because I can't pin him with a single person other than Phagga (who, may I add, will be getting lynched anyway).
But seriously Jay, if you're scum fuck you go to hell.
The question marks lay above Debears, Oats, Phagga, and VE. 3 of them are scum. I am positive on Phagga, dibbers, 70/30 with ve/oats. Once he falls, the rest crumble with ease. Do you always need to add that. Your so violent. Its like you have turrets. Split personally CC. "Yea Jay is prolly town, But if your scum I fucking hate you and you can burn in hell you fucking mutha fucking piece of shit bitch ass ugly looking pussy stinking ball fucking dick sucking fugly looking smelly hoboing asswiping jerk off." In other news I fail to see town reasoning behind not revealing your town and scum reads. I stated it once and ill state it again we need transparency as town
Lol I'm so worried that you're scum Jay and just playing this off real cool. That would suck like hell.
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In all honesty we're probably just moving the wagon of justice from one red guy to the next LOL
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On February 22 2013 14:10 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 22 2013 14:06 debears wrote:On February 22 2013 14:02 yamato77 wrote:
CC put your money where your mouth is and lynch one of debears/VE. Seriously you scum really want VE and me gone badly. Hell, I know we are good as town and all, but this is just stupid But for real, CC READ MY CASES DAMNIT. Why in the hell do you want to lynch phagga over jay??? Why???? Because who is Jay scum with? Phagga perhaps, maybe Oats? I doubt it. But Phagga is in that scumteam still. I soft-confirmed Jay a while ago, sorry you can't understand that. You have not mentioned my cases once. You have not refuted them. You're full of it. Jay is scum. Open your eyes. Jay/Yam yam/Oats
We all have made cases against Jay. I chose to drop mine once I realized the probability of him being scum was minimal
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On February 22 2013 14:11 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In all honesty we're probably just moving the wagon of justice from one red guy to the next LOL Well Duh. That's why i don't mind moving the wagon
Quick, let's play a game of darts and lynch the guy who the dart lands on
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Hey Debears,
How dost thou think of a Phagga lynch today? Wouldn't it be just Dandel to suggest?
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On February 22 2013 14:17 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Debears,
How dost thou think of a Phagga lynch today? Wouldn't it be just Dandel to suggest? No. Lynch scum. Lynch Jay
##Unvote
##Vote: Jay
CONVINCED
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On February 22 2013 14:18 debears wrote:
And now everyone is going to taunt me. Screw you guys. I waste my fucking time on this game for lylo and you all do this shit to me
BUT JAY IS SCUM WHERE ARE YOU GOING
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On February 22 2013 14:23 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 22 2013 14:18 debears wrote:
And now everyone is going to taunt me. Screw you guys. I waste my fucking time on this game for lylo and you all do this shit to me BUT JAY IS SCUM WHERE ARE YOU GOING I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW I'M MAD WHY ARE YOU PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH
I'm not putting words in your mouth, just my dick. You and Phagga dat scumteam
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
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Now I can see why people do this, it's fun lololol
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Sorry for language, caught up in the moment and such. /hug Debears
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On February 22 2013 14:28 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im totally a sheep and trying to get someone lynched
##Unvote
##Vote: jaybrundage
Also im not convinced by your reasoning Jay and I dont think you are either Whatever the fact that you jumped on my lynch so fast makes you look pretty bad tho. You defended me before cause you know my meta what changed? Also CC do you agree with my assertion that Oats should list his town and scum reads?
It's only his vote that matters, sir. He prolly would say Yamato town, Jay / phagga / ve / debears scum candidates, CC for some reason scummy cus idk. There is his list breh.
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On February 22 2013 14:28 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sorry for language, caught up in the moment and such. /hug Debears You never gave me a hug. You just always say fuck jay if hes scum
/hug Jay x3
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On February 22 2013 14:31 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok, there are 4 town and 3 scum.
Me and CC and yamato are town.
WHO IS THE LAST ONE.
*raises hand*
Jay / VE / Phagga scumteam?
Seems legit. VE / jay must be double bussing confirmed. (That would actually be insane)
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Oats paranoid like me :3
I hope you realize that by lynching Phagga we lynch one of Jay's only possible scumbuddies. Phagga is the keystone between every person here. There is no scumteam without Phagga. Safe lynch is safe.
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Well, it's whatever. For me, Phagga is the insurance policy in case you or Jay is scum. The towntells you spoke of earlier can be faked, (And I've seen Debears fake them personally in our newbie as scum together)
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@Jay
Don't you think it's a bit odd that everyone who thought you were scum suddenly sheeped me and put you as town? I think VE is a mislynch today. Nobody is opposing this lynch -- literally everyone including myself wants VE dead. At lylo, that's never a good sign for town and I've only ever seen it end up in a mislynch. The only one hard defending VE is Debears, and it really has to be a stunt.
Scumteam is: Phagga / Oats / Debears
Both Oats / Debears have defended Phagga and not wanted to lynch him.
As soon as I put out my Phagga / Debears / VE theory everybody instantly bandwagoned onto VE -- who I was least sure about. Debears is hard defending VE because he wants town to believe VE is scum. It's that simple. If they were scumbuddies, we'd have seen a bus or try to push a more realistic lynch candidate. This hard-defend of VE is nothing more than a play to 'confirm' VE as scum. He just wants to lynch VE -- and, in reality, the best way to assure that happens is to oppose his lynch. It makes so much sense.
I'll put it right out for you here, Jay. Yamato is blind. He even thinks I'm scum (which, he has in every game I've played with him as town). Scum is sitting back, feet up, smoking a cigar and counting the votes to the VE mislynch. Phagga and Oats are on board with it. They have every other town vote in the game. Debears is opposing the lynch just to make it seem like they are scumbuddies so VE can get lynched even harder, confirming the scumteam in Yamato's head. It's brilliant, really, but sad that they have to manipulate Yamato to do it.
You know I'm town, Jay. I 'confirmed' you town to the entire thread and took you off the ballot for todays lynch. We need to derail this lynch. VE could be scum, but Phagga is 100% guarenteed. He has done nothing today but buddy you and be like 'yeah, let's lynch VE :D' <--- I doubt that's a bus, because if VE were to fall, Phagga and Debears scumteam would be outed.
VE is a mislynch, and it's becoming more obvious as time goes on.
@Yamato
You think I'm scum, and all I have to say is lol. Welcome to every other game we've played together... don't you think it's weird that people are just content to sit on VE? Especially people like Oats and Phagga. If Phagga was his scumbuddy, he wouldn't bus like this, he'd be pushing another mislynch hard.
I have no friggen clue how you could deem me scum, but it's whatever. I feel like we are going down a road of a mislynch, and in order to prevent it, we need every single vote on Phagga. Scum just need one person on VE to win. There's me, VE, and hopefully Jay coming over to Phagga... Wagon of justice time.
I'll lynch Debears over VE as well. I don't care, anybody but VE right now. It's such the perfect mislynch for scum victory. I fully expect Debears, Oats, and Phagga to yell at me and push this lynch even harder.
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His posts are just big walls of quotes and texts saying that he agrees with people. At least I know I'm not scum, so I reserve the right to laugh at you post-game.
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On February 23 2013 02:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
His posts are just big walls of quotes and texts saying that he agrees with people. At least I know I'm not scum, so I reserve the right to laugh at you post-game. If you're not mafia then you've done a real good job not lynching mafia VE this game, but that's a discussion for tomorrow.
Too busy lynching scum kk. You're running the assumption that VE is scum and drawing everything from there. Thing is, if VE is town we lose. So you can either push this lynch into the ground and (probably) lose, or stop being so confirmation biased.
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I just have no idea why, if I'm scum, I would exonerate Jay for the entire thread. Sense no make.
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Like srsly guys, there is no reason to not lynch Phagga. The only way he is town is if I'm scum -- and I'm the only fucking person to actually have lynched scum and been thinking critically about this lynch. It's going too easily, and that irks the shit out of me.
I'd rather lynch Debears over VE. But I'd rather lynch Phagga over both of them. Dat transparency yo.
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On February 23 2013 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: VE
Lol, if Debears is scum and VE town, why did he hard defend VE, instead of just going LOLOL EASY WIN.
To create the illusion that he is scumbuddies with VE. Obvious shit. Nobody is defending VE except Debears, and he is defending him like super hard. This makes the situation look like VE is scum even harder. The best way for Debears to ensure VE gets lynched is to defend him, because everyone already thinks they are scumbuddies.
Unfortunately, Debears is scum with Phagga and not VE.
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On February 23 2013 03:49 yamato77 wrote:
The lynch is not going easily, you're trying your best to derail it. Debears said the same thing while trying to get Jay lynched. You have a different mislynch target but it's the same shit.
Then lynch Debears you fool.
Why the fuck, if we are scum together, would I call Jay town and not just push his lynch? Like holy shit are you blind.... Lynch Debears or Phagga idc which.
It's actually funny because everyone sheeped my scumteam prediction and now thinks I'm scum for wanting to lynch a different person on the list. Hilarious.
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Fun fact: I'm eating cheesecake right now.
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Yeah they are pretty good, but sometimes I just prefer good 'ol plain cheesecake (VT)
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Watch Oats votes Jay or something stupid, lol.
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And VE is town so what conclusion does thou come to?
Not that your vote matters; it's purely cosmetic.
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I blame snarfs, Djo and the town-favored nomination mechanic for this loss.
Although I think I played really well for what I was given, dat snarfs bus yo?
Pretty much had to all in last day or else, and I really didn't care either way.
GG
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If I bussed VE I would have had to kill Debears too, and lets face it, that's like 2 weeks worth of game time.
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On February 23 2013 11:16 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I bussed VE I would have had to kill Debears too, and lets face it, that's like 2 weeks worth of game time. I'm not so sure. Imagine both you and debears had been pretty adamant about VE being scum. Then Oats and jay come in and sheep the cases without much input. You have everyone alive aside from VE voting for VE. How do the townies figure out the townies voting VE from the scum voting VE when VE flips? I think you guys just thought you were in a better position than you really were, and when thread sentiment turned against VE, you all got caught with your pants down.
It's hard to say. The way things were, a lot of shit went down when I was away. Sentiment went from Jay / Phagga being scum at lylo to VE being indisputably scum.72 hour night periods with nominations are just terrible. So I just played along with whatever it was debears / ve were doing.
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I still think that Snarfs bus was the best move ever. What else was I supposed to do
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On February 23 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 11:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I still think that Snarfs bus was the best move ever. What else was I supposed to do That was a beautiful move, and it had everyone in the thread fooled. The one mistake I caught you on during day 2 was your wishy-washy read flip-flop on me. Everything else until the last day was really solid stuff from you.
Problem is, i would have done that as town too.
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Also fun facts:
Before replacing and knowing my alignment, my top 3 scumreads were Djodref, Phagga, and Snarfs as indicated by my opening post. I chose to tone down Djo obviously... Snarfs for more busier plans.
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On February 23 2013 12:41 AxleGreaser wrote:
Well that was one of the best of the games I have ghosted. My heartfelt thanks to all the performers.
That may be biased as I think I understood better what I was watching this time, and while I must
thank the players, the setup....
Yeah it was hard for scum but I suspect it is always going to be nail bitingly close to LyLo for town.
Although they have no present value, +10 Axle points to GM for bringing the set-up here.
Omg GM is a millionare, cash those things in bro.
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Mafia could have easily won this game at the end. Problem was, we all and especially myself, were tired of the game length and lost focus the last day. my original plan was to get the lynch between phagga and jay, and i had a good post prepared to do such that. But by the time i got around to the thread, everyone was accusing VE of foul treachery. Debears was hard defending and i was like... eh... shit just blew up. oh woe is me, a sad panda.
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On the setup for future iterations:
1 ) Dawn phase should be a silent X - hour period (12 hours maybe?) where scum choose who to nominate. The 24 hour talking period is pointless, as in game we largely chose to not do anything. Mostly it was just clutter. A silent period is good because it gives town the opportunity to scumhunt and analyze the lynch on their own, and scum a chance to sit back (or fake scumhunt their own).
2) The nomination - lynch phase should be 24 hours. It's between three people, one of whom is usually unlynchable. (See: Mocsta D2, myself D6). I don't think town needs the entire 48 hours to decide, imo.
What this does:
- Minimizes clutter in the thread
- Aligns the amount of time town has to discuss with a normal game (48 hour day phase, 24 hour nomination phase)
On scum play this game:
The rest of the scumteam and I weren't really on the same page. Snarfs bus was the best out of a bad situation. Snarfs was being an asshole D1 just bussing his scumbuddy (read the QT, VE was getting pissed off). I honestly think this was bad play. I realize he was afk for legit reasons, but he was one-faced and his play was not dynamic enough to fool town. Djo didn't play terribly -- he just was afk for like 2 phases or something. Debears <3 once he came in. VE was doing well, imo, but somehow people were just screaming scum at him and idk how or why.
On my play this game:
I liked it pretty much up until the final day. I tried to acheive some form of a plan in the QT, but I didn't flesh it out quite well. I think I needed to buddy VE earlier (And get him pseudo-confirmed town because some people really trusted me). Oats wanted to lynch Jay early and I could have played on that. My confirmation that Jay was town, imo, made the cases VE and Debears made worse. I think I could have pushed him for a lynch. My original plan was to get the lynch between Phagga and Jay.. and I think I kind of counteracted that by being all "lol jay town, phagga confirmed scum". I should have built cases on both of them -- I could have played better, but the game was lengthy and I peetered out.
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