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Also, what are your reasons that you read me as scum? I have posted an early analysis of Yamatos play here which resulted in me leaning scum on him. Here are a few more things I noticed when going through his filter. Some of these are minor compared to the points I brought up in the other post, but they reinforce my read on Yamato. On February 07 2013 13:04 yamato77 wrote: Why do you think that? Perhaps some of what I've done this game hasn't gone the way I intended it to, but hey, shit happens. What about the things I am doing make you think I'm bad? I think I have a good chunk of the game figured out already. This is 26 hours into the game, and Yamato has the game figured out, or at least a good chunk of it already. That's pretty bold, considering that some players had been barely active up to that and several had not made any hard stances whatsoever.Unless, of course, he already knows the alignement of every player, which would make him scum. Now, let's have a look at this list: On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it. TOWN Oats Sloosh VE Mocsta Jay Prplhz CC NULL Djo Phagga MAFIA Palmar JX Snarfs The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo. I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them. Two of his 3 scum reads have already turned out to be town, that's how much he figured out the game. The really interesting part however is that the 3 people he lists as mafia are all lurkers who had all been called out by someone else already. THIS LIST IS EXTREMELY SAFE FOR A SCUM PLAYER. He does not list any scum behaviour for any of those people except for "they lurk" or in snarfs case: Yamato77 wrote like 10 minutes earlier: don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. That's the only reasoning why snarfs is in that list. Where is the alignement indication in this sentence? What makes snarfs scum? We don't know. Now I know it is not unheard of that 3/4th of a scum team lurks. But keep in mind that this game was designed specifically to force the scum team to be active. Of course there can still be a lurker (which is why for example VE or me advocated a Lynch all Lurker policy, or a variant thereof), but chances are that in this very game the majority of the scum team will be active. I say Yamato posted that list to present reads, and therefor make the impression that he is contributing. However, he knew that with this list he would barely be attacked/questioned for his reads. There were several other players for each of his scum reads who shared the sentiment at that point, and it would be easy for him to look contributing and hide in the masses at the same time. About his Mocsta case: Yamato was the third player to vote Mocsta after Oats and JX, and he first refused to make a case. On February 07 2013 02:07 yamato77 wrote: Anyone not willing to lynch Mocsta after reading his filter in those two games needs to provide a better reason than his "activity", please. It's quite clear to me that he's mafia. After being called out by sloosh he made a case, which was deemed weak by many (including me). Now, a weak case is not necessarily a scum trait, as town is able to produce them as well. So, let's just go forward and look at how Yamato later backs down from his case: On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote: I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. Also, in my experience, people that are this wrong about me are often town, a la Vivax in LIX. I'm content with the idea that he actually has a scumread on me, instead of it being an outright lie. Obviously some of you think he's mafia, such as jay and Oats, so why don't you guys make your own case? I think Djo made a decent point, yes, but I still think he might be town despite it. I thought my case was good, too, but he still might be town despite that. Yes, this is wishy-washy, as I've been accused of, but in all honesty D1 reads change very quickly. If you think I'm bad/scum for thinking he might be town after all this, you need to justify your read better. Mocsta is town because he defended himself, and because he is reading Yamato in the wrong alignment. How are this reasons in any way alignement indicative? I don't see how a townie backs down from a case for this. And then he lists several points that (in his opinion) speak against Mocsta, but Mocsta is town despite that. And, of course, all this wishy-washy-behaviour from yamato is no scum trait of him, oh no, you need to get better reasons. So he even knows he behaves like scum, but does nothing to avoid it, and instead puts the burden on all the others to find more reasons to prove he is scum. However, when you are town, would you not try to avoid this in the first place? Because first of all, it saves you a lot of trouble to prove that you are not scum, and second, it saves your town teammates the trouble of going through your filter to find out if you are indeed scum or not. Since his list post Yamatos reads have barely changed. He made Djo town and me scum at some point, that's about it. So now that two of his 4 scum reads have flipped town, I'm eager to know who else is mafia for him. Nevertheless, Yamato is scum. | ||
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On February 09 2013 17:19 slOosh wrote: + Show Spoiler + The low hanging fruit in this game is phagga. If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. I've pointed out in my earliest post what I found about phagga to be interesting. On February 07 2013 01:21 slOosh wrote: I found phagga's entry into the game pretty weak (of all the things to talk about he picked out something pretty minor) and his "coaching" of Mocsta very unnatural. What are your thoughts on him? I pointed it out when I distracted myself by latching onto the yamato thing here, but the tells are pretty valid. He has a focus on lurkers, "contributing" statistics and reasoning. His "coaching" is very awkward, as seen: On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote: Regarding you, Mocsta, I don't agree with VE that you tried to establish a good town atmosphere. You are writing calm, but some things you posted like are not helping creating a good town atmosphere. Did you really think Oats would say "oh well, I guess he's right, can I get a replacement GMarshal?" This subtle stabs have a tendency to poison town atmoshpere much more than the shouting of Oats did, and I did not like this at all. Considering that everything else you posted is barely alignement indicative, I'll be interested to see more from you. Awkward checklist: - Talking to Mocsta rather than VE concerning Mocsta's play, over something he disagrees with VE about. - Stating that Mocsta is writing calmly, but then dismissing everything else by saying it is alignment null, i.e. devoid of content - Pointing out to the subject himself the problems with his play rather than convincing / discussing with other people. Compare this to a D1 post (about three quarters into cycle) from Wheel of Fortune Mafia: On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. Very straightforward, gives clear thoughts and explanations, talks to town in general rather than the subjects. Why don't you compare it to GLS open mini Mafia which is newer and show that I can have weak entrances as town as well? + Show Spoiler + Another contrast is his fear of taking a hard stance, a common tell among newer scum players. Notice how many scum tells phagga is able to point out, and compare that with his final conclusion: The counterbalance to five points is yamato's town read explanation "which seems townish". There's a clear disconnect here people. phagga's newb scum play is showing: he is afraid of committing to a stance despite being able to list much evidence. That's just my usual insecurities that you can find in any game of me. The conclusion was how I felt about him, not how I should have interpreted the facts that I just listed. It was an error, you are right, my stance should have been stronger than it was. + Show Spoiler + And there are the empty promises he often makes, because he can't make actual reads: Doesn't do so. Doesn't comment on the case at all, and his "grilling of VE" concludes somehow, with this: More excuses not to post reads, because he doesn't have any. For someone who "took my advice" on rereading the thread (seriously why credit me with that), he clearly didn't read anything else I had to say since he is doing the exact opposite. I'd say that one is at least partially refuted by the post you missed. And sometimes you lack the time/forget that you wanted to follow up on someone (which kinda happened with djo). Example, VE also wanted to follow up on me very early in the game, and never did. | ||
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On February 10 2013 08:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: who's the second guy to have flipped town? There was a sentence lost somewhere. It should say: Two of his 3 scum reads have already turned out to be town (If we assume Palmar is town, which most people seem to do by now), .... that case was so bad. Because someone is wrong doesnt make them scum. Phagga, lol. It's the fact that he chose easy targets, which he would barely have to justify, and which seem now to turn out to be town. Also his choice of snarfs was not explained at all. it's the combination of these things that bother me. My son keeps crying in the middle of the night and my wife and I don't know why. Jays filter has to wait till tomorrow. Should be online again in about 20 hours. | ||
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On February 10 2013 15:46 yamato77 wrote: And to think I softdefended this guy day 1. Jesus. What is the purpose of this post, Yamato? Let me answer that for you: You want to distance yourself from the guy that is being perceived as scum by several townie players. But why do you have to do that? Because you're scum. If you were town, you wouldn't care enough about the fact that you softdefended me D1 to post about it. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: I will say this, I am sitting on my reads today on purpose. You guys know what I think about who dies today, and that's enough for the time being. Tomorrow I'll update all of you on my reads, which have changed some since yesterday, but not significantly. More importantly, I've become more confident in them, and have some more evidence, which I will share at a later date if it hasn't already been covered. I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good. One thing I will say today is that I don't think VE is mafia at the moment. Drunk VE was very town last night. <3 drunk VE. I asked you for your reads, and this is your response? I can see no reason why you should not give your reads out now, since you are allegedly finished analysing them and have "become more confident in them". That is unless you are scum. Also, I asked you why you think I'm scum, would you please answer that? Who are your scum reads and why? | ||
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On February 10 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote: (1) phagga, the overall tone of this defense is: meek, and generally reads as "hey, you got me; im saying something cos I have to say something" (2) phagga, maybe you did leave the sentence out, but (IMHO) the original phrase reads pretty complete. [You were having a dig at him hence the "that's how much he figured out the game"] In fact, it read so smoothly I have no reason to think you would have considered your addendum (i.e. assume Palmar is town) when writing the comment. Also, at this stage it seems Palmar is leading the nomination votes; so odd you auto-assume he is town. Your addendum phrasing reads as if you knew Palmar was town, and happy everyone caught up to your knowledge "by now" Also, odd that you base your town read on Palmar, because "most people seem to do". This is the Fallacy: Bandwagon In short, I only have a limited time playing this game, normally about 2 hours a day, today even less. I'm not gonna waste a lot of time defending myself, and instead try to find scum. Should I get misslynched D3 that would suck, but it's not the end of the world for town, since they can still start lynching scum D5 and win the game (assuming nominations end up all townie). Regarding my "scum-slip", believe what you want, I'll say this final thing on the matter: Scum slips normally happen when players post something rushed, a few lines to comment immediatly. I have never played scum, but I doubt I'd scumslip like this in a post I prepared for almost 2 hours. You insult my intelligence. | ||
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On February 10 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote: I have a pool of players that I would be interested in lynching that are on mah list. Currently both are completely lynchable for me. (Its like lunchables but more bloody and delicious!) I usually have decent scum reads but getting the town to follow me can be hard. So I occasionally just sheep on a town read I have and try to follow thru with a lynch that I agree with. I used to do this alot with Palmar but he hasn't been very active this game : ( But Mocsta you didn't really give your opinions on the VE lynch are you just going after phagga or does VE appeal to you as well? Can you please specifiy who is in the pool that you would like to lynch into? | ||
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On February 08 2013 09:48 jaybrundage wrote: prplhz is getting pretty scummy. He keeps posting that im scummy and will flip red. But he never follows up. He just summarizes my actions. And says im scum. I would be find changing the lynch to him today. My only doubt in the JX lynch is Palmar think's he will flip town. Thoughts? You say that prplhz is scummy, and later on imply that you would have lynched prplhz if he would have been an alternative to JX. However, here you write: On February 08 2013 15:39 jaybrundage wrote: This is a terrible idea. You should never do this town your only cutting off discussion. Keep pressuring your scum reads. Keep pushing for lynch who you think will flip and hopefully obtain better reads from there content. @Mocsta For my top scum read I don't have one atm. I think Djo hasn't dont much still. But not sure on his alignment. For my top town meh its mostly nulls. I realize these are pretty shitty answers. But i wont pull answers out my ass either. When I have a read on someone I'll come out and present a case/pressure them. What happened to your read on prplhz? What do you think of him now? | ||
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On February 11 2013 07:50 Mocsta wrote: phagga, With the current situation and your perceived town cred; I think it is best if you stop trying to fling shit where ever it will stick. I know you only have two hours set aside each thus; thus, I recommend you use that time to respond to the accusations from sl0osh and Mr. CC. I am sure you are more than aware of these - I mean, I don't want to insult your intelligence et. al - so I am just letting you know a response has been outstanding on these items for over 48 hours. I said I read Yamato is scum and I try to point out stuff that I see as proof for that. And I was asking Jay questions to get a better read on him, questions, that, as far as I see, noone else has asked. Perhaps I was overly aggressive in my posts towards Yamato, but the questions about his reads are more than justified. And I hope you don't consider my post towards Jay as "flinging around shit". Since you so much desire an answer, here my answer to Cheesecakes post: On February 10 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Phagga He's really friggen paranoid. Take a look-see I mentioned this earlier and it still bugs me. "Holy crap I didn't mean to come off scummy I never ever meant to suggest we RNG votes thats so anti-town I'm not anti-town guys seriously". Phagga comes off as suuuuuper paranoid, like he's got something to cover up. I wanted to make sure I would not get misinterpreted. It was early in the game, and people don't have much to go with. I did not want to be the guy who "suggested the RNG vote". Hence my reaction. In addition, the bottom bolded part is more obvious than Mr. Obvious McObvious. Nice contribution to the thread! That was a summarization what I wrote above. I just wanted to communicate clearly what I meant, to avoid confusion. We were talking about lynching lurkers there, and I wanted to make my point of view clear.He also comes off as paranoid here: I ask him if he'd like to lynch Snarfs with me, and completely is like "No wtf I said I'm lynching JX what are you even talking about" This is a complete misunderstanding. Cheese writes: "you're lurking like a boss", which pissed me off since I had just posted a bit earlier. I thought he meant that I should be active in the thread now and had missed my post regarding me being on the train, so I wrote "Dude I wrote I'm on the train, how about you read my posts?". Everything after is disconnected from this sentence, which Cheese seemed to understand differently. So My answer to his question "What you say to a Snarfs lynch? Set on JX?" was "Yes, set on jx". How he can interpret this as "No wtf I said I'm lynching JX what are you even talking about" is beyond my understanding. Next is his sheepy reasons for voting JX He literally gives a sentence to support it, and it's been said before. By myself and by some others. The rest of the thread he doesn't even question JX much, just keeps his vote content there while he talks about prphlz and pressures VE. He has this huge post about VE and his voting with red text and all, but never votes him... he's confident in the JX lynch somehow. It's confusing: is he avoiding talking of JX in order to distance himself from a green flip? I see no scumhunting from him in regards to JX the entirety of day. Such little interaction with him. It's like he was more concerned about a next lynch so he can set up his scumread on VE after JX dies. About JX's first two posts: There was not really much more to be said before that. About everything after: Most people where faster with questioning his stuff than I was. Would you have liked me to fill up the thread with the same questions / remarks other asked? I saw what was presented to me in the thread and it made me content that he was scum. Also wtf is all this crap: Keeps 'getting sniped' lol. Not alignment indicative but it made me laugh. That's me keeping to forget refreshing the page before posting. Regarding sloosh's case, I really don't have much more to add, just this: His Meta case on me is terrible. He picked one post from one game from me. If any of you would actually go back and read more of my game openings, you would see that the paranoia cheese writes about and the weak entrances into the game can be found in other town games from me, some of it even in the very game that sloosh quoted. BTW, read that game to the end (Wheel of Fortune), it's probably my worst game I've played so far on TL. Preedit: I see VE just wrote something similar about sloos meta case. | ||
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Sloosh, Mocsta: Don't you guys find it strange that Yamato does not want to share his reads today? What do you think about that? And with this, I'm off to bed. | ||
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On February 11 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote: im still keen to vote phagga; and I still dont like his response(s) to the scum slip catch. I still think it was genuine as per (scum slip written on phone) However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues. Mocsta, which points are you referring to? I'm kinda confused on what you mean. | ||
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##Vote Yamato I read up on Jay. The impression I have is that he has not done anything really in this game, and has no reads. I will be interested to see what scum reads he has. He also failed to answer why his read on prplhz changed, and as others pointed out his actions around the palmar lynch are very odd. I'm leaning scum on him, but feel unsure. I'm currently writing up a post on VE, but have to catch a train. It should be online in a few hours. | ||
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Or let me ask like this. What did VE do that he got a whole lot scummier? | ||
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I haven't looked at Oats or Cheese in ages, as I was not suspicious of them, so I can't really say much about them right now. I think we have bigger targets right now, and I would like to concentrate on a few players. | ||
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As some of you might remember I was pressuring VE a bit about his behavior around the palmar vote. I think there is a breakdown in his logic. I originally wrote a post to him asking why he voted the target of his scum read: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:08 phagga wrote: VE: regarding your Palmar vote: You voted Palmar saying that it is a scum tell that he does not comment on random lynching. Later on you said palmar does not care, and that is a sign that he is scum. Both this points have been refuted by oats (with the Marv vote) and me (Death note). What's baffling me is that I feel you should have known better than that. You were in LVIII with Marv and Palmar and even answered to the very quote of Marv that oats posted. And even without this, you are long enough active here that i would expect you to know that palmar does these stunts as town sometimes. Therefor I really feel you tried to pull a Risen here and lynch palmar for his inactivity although you should know that he could be town, and could be a an important asset to town later on. So, you vote Palmar because he is scum according to you, and then you switch to Palmars target (prplhz) saying if Palmar (who you think is scum) is going to push prplhz, he will get his will anyway. So you freely succumb to scum? What is this? Oh, I forgot, you will of course still be happy to lynch palmar if someone else wants to, but now you no longer want to push him, and instead push the target of your scumread! How is that a town motivated move? He answered and I followed up: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:43 phagga wrote: Of course Palmar is capable of bussing his teammates, but you MUST have been aware at this point that Palmar could have voted a townie. And let's just be clear: this post came after the post I quoted before. So what you are saying is that a) Palmar has a lot of influence, b) Palmar is scum and c) Palmar comes into the thread and busses his teammate immediatly, hence you vote his teammate. That just does not make any sense to me. And I'm not talking about Palmars alignment here (which is a different discussion), I'm solely talking about how you chose to abandon your scum read and instead voted for your scumread's target, and that I don't understand that move. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote: He didn't explain anything in that post phagga. He didn't say why he wanted to lynch any of those targets. It barely even qualifies as a bus in that instance because he's not pushing his read and he's barely interested in where his vote goes. And regardless of the second post you quoted, the fact remains that he didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched. This is a fact. So you can bitch at me all you want about "voting for my scumread's target", because I know that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again. Not even a "Guys lynch prplhz" like he's wont to do. Nothing. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2013 09:10 phagga wrote: VE: but the point was that you explicitly wrote that if Palmar would push prplhz, he would get him lynched, and this was part of your reasoning why you voted prplhz. So while it is true that Palmar has not pushed him, you did not have this kind of knowledge when you wrote your post yesterday, and instead claimed that prplhz was a good target because of the very fact that if Palmar pushes him, he will get prplhz lynched. That contradicts your "Palmar is bussing prplhz" theory, since a scum palmar would probably not actively push a lynch on his team mate. Now comes the fun part. His response to my last post was that Palmar "didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched." and that he knows "that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again." This is his justification for his vote for prplhz. However, when he actually voted prplhz he wrote that if Palmar pushes his target, he will get him lynched. Also, at that time there was no way for him to know if Palmar would push prplhz or not. And finally, if Palmar was scum (as VE read him), and Palmar would actively push prplhz to get lynched, then prplhz would with a high probability be town. (Scum actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate on D1? Not impossible, but very unlikely). So, to break it down into few simple phrases: VE votes prplhz with the premise that if palmar, who is his scumread, pushes a lynch on prplhz, he will get it through. VE then later says that palmar might be bussing his teammate. That leaves two conclusions for VE's intentions when he voted prp in this post. 1.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and is actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate D1, hence VE votes prplhz. 2.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and has the ability to lynch a town prplhz, and VE is perfectly happy with that. The first one is very unlikely, the second one very scummy. Also note how VE actually writes that Palmars vote on prplhz makes the latter the best lynch candidate. The fact that VE never came up with a more satisfying explanation despite me asking him several times makes it pretty clear to me that his intentions were to hurt town. Riddle me this: If sloosh comes up to any of you townies, and asks if you could talk with him about it, and you have the next 30 minutes freely available. What do you do? I guess you would go read sloosh's case and comment on it. But what does VE do? On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him [phagga] with you today. -.- On February 10 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Hello? slOosh? Did you want me to chiggity chat with you about your case? I thought you were calling the shots here bro, you just called me out. Let me put you mind at ease. In a non-sexual kind of way. Notice the time stamps. It would have been easy to shortly look into Sloosh's 2-page filter to find his case and comment on it. Or he could have gone and read my filter and make his own read on me. But VE was doing nothing. How did he even want to discuss anything on me when he did not even know about the facts? This are my 2 points that made me think VE could be scum. Sloosh adds a couple good points himself, I can go with that. Therefor, I think VE is scum. I've seen Cheeses' case on Yamato, and I have to read through it properly. However, not now, cause I'm tired as hell after sacrificing too much sleep for mafia this weekend. I'll take a shower and be back in about 30 minutes, if you have any questions I will answer them then, else/afterwards I'm off to bed. | ||
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On February 12 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Phagga I wasn't convinced Palmar was scum at the time of the prplhz vote. It wasn't until my exclamation in the thread that I thought Palmar was scum. It was strictly a lurker lynch at that point, with slight scummy undertones based on his lack of contribution. What I thought at the time was that if Palmar came back and actually did something, he'd be town and his lynch of prplhz would go through. Or, yes, that he was scum and bussing his mate...but at the time fo the post in question, I wasn't convinced Palmar was actually scum (hence the unvote ). I'm sorry I couldn't understand what you were asking earlier. I hope this clears that up. Noted. I'd like to hear what others think about the points I brought up. I'm off to bed now. | ||
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On February 12 2013 14:01 yamato77 wrote: I did address them. If you can't read that post and understand how the arguments I outlined there are false, you have comprehension problems, and I can't help that. Go away. Yamato, why did you sit on your reads D2? I asked this before, but never got an answer. I would also like to know more about your thought process when you said that Mocsta is no longer a scumread of yours D1 (I pointed that out in this post. Mocsta, what do you think of the two points I raised regarding VE? | ||
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I would like to remind everyone in this context that this game was specifically made to force scum into activity. Scum metas might be useless. I assume that most scums in this game actually try to play more active than they usually do. Exactly because they know that else they barely have a chance of winning. Scum metas might be interesting if they match (as a starting point to look more into a player), but don't draw the conclusion that someone is not mafia because the scum meta does not mach. | ||
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