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On February 16 2013 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay,
You are one of the biggest offenders of the LURKZONE
What do you think about my slOosh case, slOosh's phagga case, and phagga's response to my case on slOosh? I think Sloosh is town. Mocsta flipping should make that clear. Scum nominated three towneis day one. I wish everyone else caught on this fact sooner. And didn't lynch Mocsta. This is why i preferred killing CC yesterday Because he wasn't in that initial group. I think phagga has a good chance to flip red. Also I think Debears is a candidate for a lynch as well.
Why would you want to kill someone who correctly identified and pushed a scum lynch (CC) over someone who was completely wrong (Mocsta) if you saw both as town?
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On February 16 2013 15:09 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 15:03 debears wrote:On February 16 2013 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:On February 16 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay,
You are one of the biggest offenders of the LURKZONE
What do you think about my slOosh case, slOosh's phagga case, and phagga's response to my case on slOosh? I think Sloosh is town. Mocsta flipping should make that clear. Scum nominated three towneis day one. I wish everyone else caught on this fact sooner. And didn't lynch Mocsta. This is why i preferred killing CC yesterday Because he wasn't in that initial group. I think phagga has a good chance to flip red. Also I think Debears is a candidate for a lynch as well. Why would you want to kill someone who correctly identified and pushed a scum lynch (CC) over someone who was completely wrong (Mocsta) if you saw both as town? First how long does it take to write a case. It takes longer then 17 minutes my friend. Your accusation's have no base. Because we have to lynch someone and I have a better town read on Mocsta. He has played way townier then CC most of the game. I also gave my reasons before. Go read.
Yes cuz when you go:
"hey palmar said this guy is scum, let me write 3 small paragraphs", it takes you longer than 17 minutes.
You don't get a fucking strong town read when someone fucking hammers a scum hard and is 70% responsible for that scum's lynch, as opposed to a guy who opposed his lynch through day 1 and day 3?
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Also, do you have anything to dispute the fact that you have totally misrepresented what yamato said in his flipflop on mocsta?
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Oats. Do you have a formal case on jay?
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On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard?
He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum".
You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato
Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ
What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs???????
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you.  Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either.
Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs.
WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIM
If jay was town, he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting".
Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean
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On February 17 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on. Sounds townie to me actually, BECAUSE as scum, I was really worried about stuff like that. So I didnt do that. As Town, who cares who you vote if you really think that the guy is scum?
If he was so sure VE was scum, why did he not provide analysis and reasoning that would persuade others that VE is scum? Why did he have to resort to screaming "OMG VE is scum!!!!!"
On February 13 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch? I think VE is scum for sure. We need you on this lynch to kill him. He has been soft defended by numerous players. Because hes scum and they don't want him to die. I don't think Snarfs is scum Because currently the people on him are on my scum list. And the people on VE are on my town list. Also VE has done alot of scummy things. Phagga you wrote a big case on VE before. I'm surprised that you have any doubts about VE
On February 13 2013 08:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Holy fuck Sloosh why did you unvote VE now snarfs is gonna get lynched no matter what unless phagga comes back WTF THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk
On February 13 2013 08:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Sloosh what the hell where you doing by trying to unvote VE vote Snarfs and unvoting snarfs. Now snarfs has reached the majority and with out Djo we dont have anyway get majority back. YOu fucked this hard
On February 13 2013 08:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Yamato come over to lynch VE. If you are actually town and we misread you we need to kill VE
Where is the logical, persuasive reasoning that a townie would provide to persuade people to his lynch?
There wasn't any. There was just begging for people to not lynch scum (snarfs) and lynch VE instead
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On February 17 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Seems good reasoning to me actually.
Do you have a meta read on Jay? Or just generally town play?
Also, you were in Dessert? Where he bussed all game long hard and fast? I think :/
Still think he is town.
No i don't have a meta read. I think I've played with jay once, and i don't remember his play even if we did. I'm not metaing someone I don't know well.
I wasn't in dessert. I haven't looked at the game (other than the flavor <3 cheesecake)
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Oats I have one more thing for you. I would also like input from others (not named Jay) on what I've wrote.
What do you think about Jay's comments around the Palmar lynch?
On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell
On February 11 2013 11:04 BioSC wrote:Day 2! Palmar, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched! This post will be retconned by GM at a later time.
On February 11 2013 11:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Im not happy this was a shitty pick for a lynch
What does that post accomplish from each perspective by jay?
Town - he is 99.999999% sure palmar is town. He wants to spread suspicion on everyone on the palmar wagon (even though not all the palmar wagon can be scum). He's pissed for people voting for a wagon that he was on for most of the day.
On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote:
@Palmar Eh kinda sucks when you join in a game and your not motivated enough to actually try to play it. Why join in the first place then?
If you give your updated reads and tell who you think is scum that would be awesome.
Also I believe that your town casue of your posting and sincerity. But if you don't want to actually play then replace out or something. Or we can just lynch you if you have no interest in playing. I think your a very strong townie but you said it your self to play the game of mafia well you need to invest time into it. If you dont wanna do that then i think it might be better to keep Mocsta or SlOosh that have showed that they actually want to play this game.
Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar
He pissed because he came in with only 30 minutes left til lynch to suddenly argue for palmar
On February 11 2013 10:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok srlys can we get a vote count?
Also
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
While I think we have 3 townies up for lynch. I think it would be dumb to kill the best scum hunter i know. Scum will want to nail Palmar and kill him when they get the chance. But the way i see it we shouldn't let them have that chance. We have the best scum catcher in TL and people are considering lynching him. If he is down to play we should keep him. I suggest we lynch Mocsta or SlOosh I'll be moving my vote on who ever has the better chance to get lynched. (If we could get vote count)
What kind of town comes back 30 minutes before lynch, to suddenly switch his vote and then proceed to flame everyone about lynching a townie when he was on that townies wagon for most of the day before the flip?
Scum - he knows palmar is town. He helps contribute to the palmar wagon. Then, with 30 minutes left he switches votes to act angry to look townie
Bitching about a mislynch is in no way pro-town. Bitching about a mislynch when you do nothing to prevent that mislynch (coming in 30 minutes before and making two posts is not doing anything) is scummy as shit.
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On February 17 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Not really, seems like irritated town.
Look, I assume he thought about it and was like, HEY WAIT PALMAR IS PROBABLY TOWN AND WE ARE MISLYNCHING HIM. NOOOO SEE ALL OF YOU SUCK AND ARE PROBABLY SCUM CAUSE YOU JUST MISLYNCHED BEST TOWNIE IN TL MAFIA.!!!! !
Yes, it's possible. Here's my problem with jay
day 1 - Votes JX
day 2 - votes palmar, then switches to mocsta and bitches about palmars lynch
day 3 - hard defends snarfs, votes for VE
Is he having that bad of a game and coincidentally doing multiple scummy things, or is he just scum?
I'll keep looking
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On February 17 2013 02:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oats:
Day 1- Votes JX
Day 2- Wants to lynch second best townie(Possibly) in the game
Day 3- switches votes around until lands on wagon
Day 4- Wants to lynch currently (Possibly) best townie in the game
So am I scummy?
You voted for scum to make the wagon close. That's a hell of a lot better.
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ebwop:
you voted for scum when the scum was not leading in votes (just to clarify)
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[b]Phagga - Null/Slight town[b]
He was second on the Yamato wagon. However, he seemed to spend his day figuring yamato out.
The main thing that gives me town vibes from him is the fact that he was the deciding vote (turned it to 5-4) to push the lynch on Snarf when he voteswitched.
The thought through my head - "why would scum suddenly switch off a mislynch that they had pushed all day just to bus their partner?"
There are some things in his filter that are scummy, but I believe his voteswitch overrides that and gives me more of a town read on him. The only reason I could see him being scum bussing snarfs is if he (as scum) felt that snarfs was going to get lynched anyways by prp or others anyways with a late voteswitch.
This is what i have written on Phagga's voteswitch. Haven't come to a conclusion on sloosh or prp yet.
I'll be back on later. Gotta go play some ball
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On February 17 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,
@Debears
Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.
"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"
I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.
Phagga best lynch evar atm.
##Vote: Phagga
At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum.
As I said, he could possibly have been scum bussing his partner because he thought prp or someone else woulf switch to snarfs
But seriously, how many times have you seen scum be the deciding vote in a bus on their partner?
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On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote:
phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick. That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
On February 13 2013 07:50 slOosh wrote:
VE, please, don't do this again. You know how that ended up.
A scum team of Snarfs, phagga, prplhz and Oats makes unbelievable sense. For me to believe that, it means I have to read you town. I'm doing the best I can. It's been a long time since I've rolled town, I missed a huge portion of D1 because of real life and I'm not as confident as I normally am.
Like ... I dunno!
And I'm dead serious about this. If it gives you ease of mind
##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Snarfs
##Unvote: Snarfs
On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote:
You know what, fuck it.
##unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Snarfs
let's lynch the scummy lurker.
It appears you are right CC. Phagga did do a case on VE also before his vote on VE
On February 12 2013 06:33 phagga wrote:Regarding VE: As some of you might remember I was pressuring VE a bit about his behavior around the palmar vote. I think there is a breakdown in his logic. I originally wrote a post to him asking why he voted the target of his scum read: + Show Spoiler +On February 08 2013 08:08 phagga wrote:VE: regarding your Palmar vote: You voted Palmar saying that it is a scum tell that he does not comment on random lynching. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh neat, Palmar didn't even comment on random lynching. Another infallible scum tell for our icelandic friend.
##Vote: Palmar Later on you said palmar does not care, and that is a sign that he is scum. Both this points have been refuted by oats (with the Marv vote) and me (Death note). What's baffling me is that I feel you should have known better than that. You were in LVIII with Marv and Palmar and even answered to the very quote of Marv that oats posted. And even without this, you are long enough active here that i would expect you to know that palmar does these stunts as town sometimes. Therefor I really feel you tried to pull a Risen here and lynch palmar for his inactivity although you should know that he could be town, and could be a an important asset to town later on. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I've read the whole thread again. First of all, where the fuck is prplhz and why isn't anyone else curious? He has literally 4 in game posts and while he appears to be interested in "thread atmosphere", I just have no idea who he thinks is scum.
Djo bringing back up the whole Oats/Mocsta thing is just...confusing. What's the point? I'm not even sure what he's accusing Mocsta of in the first place. @Djo What exactly is your problem with Mocsta? It's like you're suspicious of him because he didn't join your random lynch (which you say that you didn't even really like).
As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is:
Palmar
prplhz
Snarfs
JX
There's no way in hell they're all scum. Here's what I want to do. I think everyone should choose one name off that list that they believe is the most realistic lynch candidate based on what they perceive to be town sentiment. Then I want them to explain why they aren't voting for that person, and explain in detail why their lynch candidate is better.
Know this. GM made it clear in the OP that lurkers will ruin this game. You don't even have to take my word for it, it's right in the OP. The worst thing townies can do in this setup is lurk. Therefor, I don't want to lynch someone active today. We can start lynching into active posters with more flip information.
I think prplhz is the most realistic lynch candidate, and I'll tell you why (though you probably won't like it.)
Palmar apparently wants to lynch prplhz.
Is that fucked up or what? But it's true. If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. In spite of fucking off for the entire game, Palmar has more say over who gets lynched than I do. But I'm not bitter - all is not lost you see. For I can also get down on a prplhz lynch. I'd still do somersaults over a Palmar lynch or Snarfs lynch, but honestly I just don't think I can make it happen today.
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I'd like to see more from slOosh. Him backing out of his yamato read, while admirable I guess, leaves me wondering just who he thinks is scum. He mentioned phagga as a means of determining prplhz' alignment...somehow? But made it clear that he wasn't really a scumread. Ultimately he wants it to be clear that he's not doing nothing, which generally sets off red flags for me. He started out as a super townread too, which is why this is concerning for me.
@slOosh
You say "let's work with what we've got". I've got a case on Snarfs that you haven't commented on. I've got a lurker policy that I'd like you to consider. I'd really like to hear who you think is scum.
yamato is on my to-do list tomorrow morning. So is Cheesecake. I'm going to bed now.
##Unvote: Palmar
##Vote: prplhz So, you vote Palmar because he is scum according to you, and then you switch to Palmars target (prplhz) saying if Palmar (who you think is scum) is going to push prplhz, he will get his will anyway. So you freely succumb to scum? What is this? Oh, I forgot, you will of course still be happy to lynch palmar if someone else wants to, but now you no longer want to push him, and instead push the target of your scumread!How is that a town motivated move? He answered and I followed up: + Show Spoiler +On February 08 2013 08:43 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's town motivated because I want to lynch Palmar and prplhz. If Palmar wants to help me do so, that's his thing. Like, do you think Palmar is incapable of bussing his teammates?
Riddle me this phagga: how do you think scumPalmar would say he wants to lynch prplhz, regardless of prplhz alignment KNOWING that he's going to disappear for however long and not participate in the game?
I wouldn't expect a townPalmar to even say he wants to lynch anyone in that manner knowing he hasn't read the thread and isn't going to read the thread long enough to warn us about it. Of course Palmar is capable of bussing his teammates, but you MUST have been aware at this point that Palmar could have voted a townie. And let's just be clear: this post Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 23:05 Palmar wrote:
I can't be much around today.
Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz
maybe phagga or yamato
So I'll leave my vote on prplhz came after the post I quoted before. So what you are saying is that a) Palmar has a lot of influence, b) Palmar is scum and c) Palmar comes into the thread and busses his teammate immediatly, hence you vote his teammate. That just does not make any sense to me. And I'm not talking about Palmars alignment here (which is a different discussion), I'm solely talking about how you chose to abandon your scum read and instead voted for your scumread's target, and that I don't understand that move. On February 08 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
He didn't explain anything in that post phagga. He didn't say why he wanted to lynch any of those targets. It barely even qualifies as a bus in that instance because he's not pushing his read and he's barely interested in where his vote goes.
And regardless of the second post you quoted, the fact remains that he didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched. This is a fact. So you can bitch at me all you want about "voting for my scumread's target", because I know that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again. Not even a "Guys lynch prplhz" like he's wont to do. Nothing. On February 08 2013 09:10 phagga wrote:VE: but the point was that you explicitly wrote that if Palmar would push prplhz, he would get him lynched, and this was part of your reasoning why you voted prplhz. Show nested quote +
If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched.
So while it is true that Palmar has not pushed him, you did not have this kind of knowledge when you wrote your post yesterday, and instead claimed that prplhz was a good target because of the very fact that if Palmar pushes him, he will get prplhz lynched. That contradicts your "Palmar is bussing prplhz" theory, since a scum palmar would probably not actively push a lynch on his team mate. Now comes the fun part. His response to my last post was that Palmar "didn't do shit to actually get prplhz lynched." and that he knows "that prplhz was never really a target for Palmar because he's come back since then and hasn't mentioned him again." This is his justification for his vote for prplhz. However, when he actually voted prplhz he wrote that if Palmar pushes his target, he will get him lynched. Also, at that time there was no way for him to know if Palmar would push prplhz or not. And finally, if Palmar was scum (as VE read him), and Palmar would actively push prplhz to get lynched, then prplhz would with a high probability be town. (Scum actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate on D1? Not impossible, but very unlikely). So, to break it down into few simple phrases: VE votes prplhz with the premise that if palmar, who is his scumread, pushes a lynch on prplhz, he will get it through. VE then later says that palmar might be bussing his teammate. That leaves two conclusions for VE's intentions when he voted prp in this post. 1.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and is actively pushing a lynch on his own teammate D1, hence VE votes prplhz. 2.) VE thought that Palmar is scum and has the ability to lynch a town prplhz, and VE is perfectly happy with that.The first one is very unlikely, the second one very scummy. Also note how VE actually writes that Palmars vote on prplhz makes the latter the best lynch candidate. The fact that VE never came up with a more satisfying explanation despite me asking him several times makes it pretty clear to me that his intentions were to hurt town.
Riddle me this: If sloosh comes up to any of you townies, and asks if you could talk with him about it, and you have the next 30 minutes freely available. What do you do? I guess you would go read sloosh's case and comment on it. But what does VE do? Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him [phagga] with you today. -.- Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hello? slOosh? Did you want me to chiggity chat with you about your case? I thought you were calling the shots here bro, you just called me out. Let me put you mind at ease. In a non-sexual kind of way. Notice the time stamps. It would have been easy to shortly look into Sloosh's 2-page filter to find his case and comment on it. Or he could have gone and read my filter and make his own read on me. But VE was doing nothing. How did he even want to discuss anything on me when he did not even know about the facts? This are my 2 points that made me think VE could be scum. Sloosh adds a couple good points himself, I can go with that. Therefor, I think VE is scum.
I've seen Cheeses' case on Yamato, and I have to read through it properly. However, not now, cause I'm tired as hell after sacrificing too much sleep for mafia this weekend. I'll take a shower and be back in about 30 minutes, if you have any questions I will answer them then, else/afterwards I'm off to bed.
His unexplained change in confidence in his read on VE is troublesome. I don't think it necessarily means scum. But, as you did say, it doesn't mean he is town either from his day 3 vote
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On February 17 2013 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Day 1 LIX.
Me and Prp were the lynches. GUESS WHAT?
WE WERE BOTH SCUM!!!
OH NO YOUR ASSOCIATION TOWN READ IS SHIT. :O
What do you mean by I am unreadable and have done insanely stupid things?
Explain please :D
Were both of you solely going after one another from the very beginning of the game
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On February 17 2013 14:57 yamato77 wrote:
Debears what do you think of my reads, particularly the one on phagga?
Also, will you lynch prplhz with me?
I want answers to my points for and against prplhz and phagga from you tomorrow when I look at the thread.
Prp has been a little too nonchalant today for my liking, but I don't think he is nearly as likely to be scum as jay. As I said in my notes, jay is in the "kill it with fire" category for me. I want jay, the most likely scum, lynched.
Phagga and Oats are the two hardest players to read in this game for me.
Phagga, I want to say is town because he did move the votes on snarf to 5 to take the lead, yet sloosh was on the fence with momentum turning onto snarfs. So, it's possible that it was a bus.The rest of his play doesn't say "hey i'm town".
Oats, meanwhile, was the 4th vote on snarfs to make the voting close. He has a large filter, and I found him town looking after his early debates with Mocsta.
For now, I'd go with Phagga as scum and oats town. However, that isn't my main concern as of now, compared to prp and jay.
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On February 17 2013 14:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well yamato, dick play isnt good play.
Anyway, answer the OTHER QUESTION.
I have a null read on VE and slOosh.
The thing is, they should be doing so much more than they are currently doing. They have no fear of nightkills so WHY arent they being ultra mega useful to town?
Two options
1) time (ie palmar)
2) laziness
3) Scum
I find 1 and/or 2 the most likely explanations, based on the day 3 lynch
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On February 18 2013 00:29 phagga wrote:
Because it's a topic that is still being discussed, and several people seem to base their read on me at least partially on that vote switch. I wanted to lay out my thoughts and feelings and try to show my point of view. Hopefully I can convince other townies that I am not scum to prevent a mislynch on me.
What is your read on jay? Why vote prp over jay?
I'd say both of them are quite more likely to flip scum than you, especially jay.
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On February 18 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Dibbers, how can you even say prphlz has a better chance to flip red than Phagga? Phaggas cases have been pretty safe and somewhat sheepish at best, and he's been soup defendy most of the game. Prp has been lurky, yes, and show some disinterest in the game, ya, but are those really telltale scum signs? I think he has a good chance to flip red but not moreso than Phagga, and especially Jay.
Phagga much scummier than prp. i have some gripes with prp but you should consider lynching Phagga today, Dibbers. He explained his position but im still on the fence about his reasoning.
Prp has been very nonchalant and uninvolved in a game with no nks. He didn't vote for a scum lynch. His activity and reasoning this day has been almost nonexistent.
Phaggas posting today did not say to me "I'm scum. Lynch me please."
Honestly, I don't even care that much to a lynch on either in comparisom to a jay lynch
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