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Going to be trying to play this game in a different way. I'll be coming some time in before deadline to drop huge analysis posts. I'll try to keep interactions with others to a minimum. Time to party for you! | ||
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On January 26 2013 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: /role confirmed This could have a huge impact on the game. | ||
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Toad will probably have to reassign roles cause of this. | ||
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But there's an evil, passionate spammy Vivax that will tunnel you and himself into madness. Did you miss me, JX? ##Vote JieXian | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:10 xsksc wrote: It's a pretty pointless post as, like you said, everyone clearly knows this already. There's not really a scum motive for it either, it doesn't earn him any townie points whatsoever. It's just pointless. I think this post is scummy. It's lengthy and too serious in this situation. It also suggests xsksc has been lurking until he read your question. He was observing us silently. ##Unvote ##Vote xsksc | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:14 iamperfection wrote: thats pretty terrible at least he contributed what he thought about it and we now know that people didn't contribute at all. What did he contribute? It's as pointless as the post he's talking about. How can you spend two lines of text to call something pointless? But that's not everything. Look at the syntax: It's a pretty pointless post as, like you said, everyone clearly knows this already. There's not really a scum motive for it either, it doesn't earn him any townie points whatsoever. It's just pointless. "Like you said" (His thoughts: "Well, I know I'm just repeating this"). Townie points, who thinks in townie points? Scum! | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax You are right. But it requires massive balls to do that and when the roles become increasingly clear people can figure out if the claim was true. I think I'll leave my vote on xsksc. His answer feels too self-centered and insecure. | ||
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Do you believe I'm town? | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote: Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? You know something? Town don't like vote on themselves cause they know they are town. They have to be suspicious, assume that there's scum attacking them. If you are town, my attacks aren't just a bit odd, they should be stupid. You didn't check my profile to look for games but you ask me to hand them out to you. That means you are either extremely gullible or you knew I was town. Anyway, my games (but not all, have to find them yet) are in my profile. Hand out your games to me instead, I didn't see links to them in your profile. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:08 Hapahauli wrote: Incorrect. Marv is assuredly town. Highly unlikely that a scum player of his stature would claim miller, when he'd risk a counter-claim by another miller. No possible chance of there being 2 innocent children (millers) in C9++ and all. Palmar concluded (in that game) that a miller claim can pay off a lot as scum given that it's more probable that there is no miller in this setup. That's what Prom is saying. | ||
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##Vote EmileZola Initiative comes to thems that wait. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm interested in this too. Please explain the bolded Vivax. I don't understand at all how you arrived at those two conclusions based on the interaction you two just had. I don't see any reason for him to say I'm town like that. I found his lack of suspicion towards me scummy. He reads me as town, finds my attacks "odd", then asks me for my games when he could have looked them up by himself if he even considered that I could be scum. He could either be lazy or he's scum cause he doesn't have any reason to take a close look at me and my games. His question aimed at making me post my last town game is an empty question that would trigger a pointless answer if I answered it. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote: Hey djo, regarding the usage of odd, well, I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself so you can read my replies to Hapa. I don't think there's a problem with announcing you'll be reading someone's game. Even if you think it's unnecessary, would you say it's a "scummy" thing to announce? Vivax himself does it the very next post. Are you equally suspicious of him? Wat | ||
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Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising visit? We should be lynching xsksc today. His play screams scum to me. Aside from what I already wrote about him. ##Unvote ##Vote xsksc | ||
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His questions. His questions and his casual comments. The questions don't point towards him having a target, a direction on where to push on to determine whether someone is scum. He asks questions to everyone and about everyone, hardly expanding on the answers when it's not to defend himself. | ||
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Let's not forget this is a game, we're lynching him today, but no being meanies. | ||
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My ad on TL. | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:43 Promethelax wrote: Er....wat? Why are we lynching x? Why can't we pressure him? Are you really this much of a fool? Why not EZ? Ok alright. Let's assume for a moment that he is the first scum. We have to find the second. Everything xsksc posts from now on is done of his own will. If he redeems himself, fine, if not, he's dead anyway. ##Unvote ##Vote Sharrant Lengthy post with scumreads I don't agree with. He starts on picking on Prom for posting a useless first post but doesn't see xsksc's posts. The post is designed to look like he's putting effort into the game and suggests he posted that to not get attacked by us so he can go back lurking and doing nothing while resting on some made up reads. | ||
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On January 27 2013 22:29 Djodref wrote: Is there anyone around ? Anyone wanting to lynch VE with me today ? Yo. I think him announcing his absence with rl issues is scummy, it suggests he's feeling guilty for lurking. Not sure about the meta thingy you posted about him, but my prime target is xsksc. How about this: We give VE more chances to prove he's town since we can't check his rl business and you start telling me what you think of Sharrant and xsksc? | ||
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Thrawn is not thrawny, but I'm a stubborn bastard and think xsksc is scummier, so I'm not consolidating. Feel free to lynch him if you think he's scum though, you others. Not trying to dissuade you. xsksc and probably Sharrant is where it's at though. | ||
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Your argument is basically saying that he's scum for looking town cause that is only a mask he's using. I don't really see what the difference between real and a mask is in this game, you could tell me. Promethelax still looks like a good lynch to me. Throughout the game, he's been avoiding any kind of real contribution. Look at his filter closely. He is engaged in asking people for their opinions, but never follows through. He never really pushes anyone to really find out what they think. It's a mask, trying to appear that he's being useful to the town while sitting around doing nothing. I'll dig deeper, but I kinda had him as townread early. Are you the SK, ghost? | ||
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On January 28 2013 05:02 xsksc wrote: What do you mean? He's sounded pretty retarded to me this game. Scum being mean to me :< . I always end up shitting up the thread when people are mean to me. It's my weakness. | ||
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On January 28 2013 05:22 ghost_403 wrote: Ah, I was thinking of Djodref. I thought he was town based on his walls of text, then I flipped him 'cuz he was scum. @vivax: Nope, not the SK. What makes you think that? Let's assume you were the vigilante. Just assume it, I'm not implying anything. Who would you shoot tonight? Post your thoughts about VE he is waiting for then, please. | ||
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Good that you posted that. If thrawn flips red we might take JX into consideration as second scum for trying to make a connection case between you and thrawn while not even reading your posts the right way. Makes sense to attack someone defending your scumbuddy when you know what he's going to flip before the flip. | ||
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1) JX was clumsy at reading and really suspects you. 2) JX simply chose you as his scumread and tried to clump together a bunch of reasons to call you scum. | ||
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If a vigi shoots someone else over EZ without a damn good reason I'd probably want to lynch him for the danger of him being the SK. DID YOU HEAR ME GHOST? | ||
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You said "I don't think thrawn is lurking, I think he's just afk", and after posting some defence of yourself you voted for him by linking to two games of him, of which one game is a town game and the other is this one and you are already calling him scum before the flip. Yamato Are you trying to imply that Ghost is SK/Vig? Are you trying to imply that you didn't understand that? | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:13 yamato77 wrote: I was just wondering if you were going to carry over your idiotic role outing anti-town behavior from one game to the next. Good to know I can ignore you now. Yeah, keep the childish attitude outside of this game and stop posting please. Just got into the game and already spewing insults. Hilarious. | ||
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i didn't post a defense of myself. I thought you are more intelligent than that. I explained my motivations and I shared my findings. I told you that my defense of thrawn was fake. So you think that a lurking player would start posting cause you write he's just afk? If anything, that's an incentive for more lurking. How is that even a defence. Both lurking townies and scum can be either lurking or afk. | ||
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No insult intended. | ||
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I can give you a few reliable stereotypes: Most Italians are loud, drink a lot of coffee and are pretty bad drivers for western european standards, they're obsessed with soccer but you should know that. There are many thieves. Every house has windows protected with metal bars. If you know the right people around here you can skip rows at public offices and such, jobs in such positions are given to recommended persons rather than the most fitting ones. That's why politics and bureaucracy are corrupt. It's usual in many countries, but very accentuated here. | ||
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Don't mind my vote, it's not serious. As for your question: I think it has been answered indirectly by now. | ||
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Thb I didn't even read your filter again before answering to ghost, so it might come off as strange that I wanted to lynch you there. | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:06 Promethelax wrote: Sorry, go back a second, what contributions do you find detailed Viv? I don't see anything from Shar which I would call detailed. Sorry, I don't see the point in discussing that unless you think he's scum. But then it should be up to you to argue for that to be the case. Looks like a pretty experienced smurf of someone, and keeping up that way of writing and arguing well at the same time won't probably be easy for him if he's scum. Other than that, it's my gut. | ||
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JX: You can't blame me for misunderstanding your stance when I read this. Who were you replying to then? It wasn't my fault that you didn't quot the person you were replying Don't you think he looks a little scared?Almost feels...guilty. | ||
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We have to ask ourselves: Was there resistance from scum to lynch thrawn or was it a neat bus and scum tried to fully avoid interactions with him? Can't jump at people just cause they had doubts about a thrawn lynch. The whole lynch seemed to be justified with meta and it was more or less a lurker lynch, so it's natural to not be sure about thrawn as townie. Look for people who looked immediately sure that he was scum after a certain amount decided to lynch him. I think that would be a good tell. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:26 xsksc wrote: wut? you'd rather lynch for information over someone you think is UNMISTAKABLY SCUM? xsksc, explain how the heck he should have known that thrawn was "unmistakably" scum. Maybe he was for you. Remember when you agreed on lynching him after claiming that you read someone else as scum? *wink wink* Remember that, Prom? That's when you voted for xsksc. | ||
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"Sure, I'm fine with lynching lurkers". Now you say UNMISTAKABLY SCUM? | ||
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Don't get irritated, there's no reason to start a shitfest. Just point out the mistake and keep a cool head instead of snarling. Or keep a stiff upper lip, as you use to say. Allow me to sum up most, if not all your D1 behaviour regarding thrawn until the vote for everyone to see. On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote: #2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next. On January 27 2013 09:51 xsksc wrote: EmileZola switches his vote from thrawn to Hapa with no explanation, and thrawn still hasn't posted by then. So the only event that could change his mind would have to have come from Hapa, right? On January 27 2013 11:18 xsksc wrote: yeah. nothing that i haven't already raised in the thread though. -Vivax/hapa looking townie to me. -thrawn/ghost hardlurking. -emilezola scum. On January 27 2013 11:21 iamperfection wrote: want to join us in killing thrawn xcxczxcz? On January 27 2013 11:23 xsksc wrote: Yes, unacceptable lurking is unacceptable. He better get in here soon. D: On January 27 2013 12:08 xsksc wrote: I am willing to kill thrawn because of his extreme lurking. Are you saying if thrawn came in here and started making quality posts and glowed townie, I wouldn't re-evaluate the situation because my "mind is made up"? That seems a very silly assumption to me. On January 27 2013 12:46 xsksc wrote: He didn't even play day one in that game? Why is that game relevant to this situation? And hey, if you're going to ask me all these questions, I'd appreciate it if you'd do me the simple courtesy of replying to what I have to say. On January 27 2013 13:05 xsksc wrote: My bad - I thought he replaced INTO that game, not out of. "Now you're just misrepresenting. My vote is still on EZ, I think he is scum. Nothing has changed there. Where do I say I would rather lynch him over EZ? "Are you saying if thrawn came in here and started making quality posts and glowed townie, I wouldn't re-evaluate the situation because my "mind is made up"?" This? I love how djodref came in and did the same thing as me (staying on his main read but has agreed to kill thrawn) but he's not getting shit for it. On January 28 2013 04:28 xsksc wrote: Just woke up and caught up, looks like nobody has any intention of killing EZ today. ##unvote ##vote thrawn2112 | ||
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But I suppose you want to lynch Djo now? | ||
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He hesitated in voting thrawn, remember, and then finally did after I badgered him about his noncommittal stance. That's exactly why I moved my vote to thrawn, because mafia wouldn't fake resist his lynch and then vote for him, they would either bus him or they wouldn't. This from yamato about VE. Just saying that it doesn't mean anything about VE. In Hero VE opposed the Adam scumbuddy D1 lynch initially and then voted for him reluctantly. Djo, talk to me. Put the gun down, it's going to be alright. You're not crazy. You're NOT crazy. | ||
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Ghost, do you want Djo to shoot JX? | ||
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Iamp, why would SS -as scum- correct his read on VE? Doesn't make sense either way no matter what VE's alignment is. SS is scum and says -> VE is scum, lynch him -> VE is more probably town, don't shoot him. Give me an explanation for this. I don't see someone as scum just cause he changed his read. | ||
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Djo, we both were SS scumbuddies in LVIII, I hope you see that this doesn't match his scum meta? | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:04 JieXian wrote: A well calculated frame would be to bus and wait till D2 to write up a huge case against the person who defended thrawn, not some half baked accusation followed by retracting it and then admitting it was a misunderstanding. Are you saying you aren't scum cause you wouldn't have made the mistake to make a half-baked accusation? You are basically defending you by saying that it's only a mistake town makes lol. Can be made by either alignment. Respond to my question please, would you want Djo to shoot ghost? Who do you want Djo to shoot? Du musst auch dein Deutsch verbessern, Junge. Übungsaufgaben: Donaudampfschiffahrtskapitän. Parallelepiped. Rechtsanwaltskanzlei. | ||
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They seem reluctant to talk about each other! | ||
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This is my vote. There are many votes like this. But this is mine. | ||
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JX cause of the premature frame and him trying to justify it by saying he wouldn't have done that as scum, which is not a valid argument. Scum picks someone to attack and then tries to find as many reasons as possible to make it look like they have a reason to. If you read JXs filter, JX justified his vote on thrawn by saying these things in chronological order: I'm putting mario aside, since that seems to be the only game where he is loud as mafia. I want thrawn to come out. ##Vote: thrawn I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? (To Prom) It doesn't matter now that you've cleared it up, but I was thinking that: 1) You said something scummy 2) You defended thrawn 3) thrawn is lurky, and may be scum 4) You're scummy and defending someone who may be scum 5) You're both scum To prom. As you see, JX initially voted for thrawn for him to come out. When Prom "defended" thrawn (which was not true), JX conveniently called them both scum and said thrawn is scum for Prom defending thrawn. | ||
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Answer: JX voted initially for thrawn for lurking. Then voted Prom for allegedly defending a lurker cause - knowing that thrawn was scum - he thought Prom would look scummy for that when in reality there was no reason to cause: a) No one could be certain about thrawn and a defence of him isn't necessarily scummy in itself. b) Prom didn't even defend him. | ||
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On January 28 2013 21:38 Djodref wrote: So ghost and Sharrant the remaining scum players ? It looks too easy. What about JieXian and Hapa ? I think they could be scum as well. On January 28 2013 23:28 Djodref wrote: Yeah, I could see myself shooting him tonight ^^ That is a scummy switch. | ||
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If there's ever a second NK we lynch Djo. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote: God JX too... Ghost xsksc JX? I dont' know I was in the middle of reading. Just sayin. He got shot you know. Don't say this is WIFOM. He looked threatening for scum. I'm behind a JX or xsksc lynch today. | ||
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Lynching JX is pretty obvious. I'm just repeating what has already been said: 1) He voted for thrawn for him "to come out". 2) Then he shoveled shit at Prom and made a premature connection Thrawn was a scummy lurker and Prom was scum for allegedly defending him. Doesn't matter if he misread what Prom wrote, that actually makes it more likely that he made his case against him up. 3) He's been completely apathetic in front of Djo until I asked Djo to shoot him. 4) Now he's moving on with his OMGUS crusade against me and is disinterested in everything else. 5) His German is bad. 6) His activity and lack of interest in town business is scummy. 7) He just said xsksx is my scumbuddy. No comment. | ||
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Me and VE weren't sure of thrawn either. It's natural as townie to not be sure. JX was sure of you for a connection but not sure of thrawn? How does that make sense. | ||
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If you considered my case you would know why I wrote that: Cause JX actually seemed sure enough about thrawn to immediately incriminate Prom for a connection no one else saw. And he didn't even read properly what Prom wrote when everyone else did, apparently. | ||
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On January 30 2013 06:15 EmileZola wrote: you seem to be concerned that your play doesnt look townie enought and therefor you show us that VE - the dead townie - plays the same. Seriously though, I could slap you for this post. I'm writing reasons for lynching JX and you quote one of them saying I just wrote that cause I'm concerned about my play looking townie. Start doing something useful. Who's there, Bugs? | ||
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Jay rushing in and voting Yamato sucks, instead. I thought there would actually be serious people this game. But I'm not even considering him to be scum at the moment cause of Hapa's early contributions. | ||
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Or did you let VE only play the hydra after he died? | ||
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Well, then my current people I want to lynch are. JX>EZ>Sharrant | ||
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On January 28 2013 03:36 EmileZola wrote: ##unvote ##vote: VisceraEyes EmileZola January 28 2013 04:11 now back to thrawn: Scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=83569 Town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=83569¤tpage=5 On January 28 2013 04:11 EmileZola wrote: obviously: ##unvote ##vote thrawn2112 Third vote on thrawn. On January 28 2013 08:20 EmileZola wrote: last scum are in VE + Djo + ghost. calling it now, we lynch these players and win. scum surrender gg Too sure about thrawn being scum for my taste, switched too fast from VE to him and immediately starts to write about the people he wants to lynch next day. The same scummy sureness of JX. Actually, the list is: JX=EZ > Sharrant, xsksc etc. | ||
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On January 27 2013 20:56 EmileZola wrote: I am pretty sure that thrawn isn't lurking... I think he's just afk. Didn't look so sure about this when he posted the two filters from a town game and this game lol. | ||
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On January 28 2013 15:24 EmileZola wrote: jiexian is not likely to be scum. neither is xsksc. ve either stupid or scum for thinking these things: On January 29 2013 08:01 EmileZola wrote: EmileZola iamperfection 6 filterpages, oneliners + Promethelax 8 filterpages, strange behaviour towards me + Djodref 8 pages and Vig claim + marvellosity / yamato yamato has 1,5 filterpages - Hapahauli gone, 3 pages. rather a townish number. + VisceraEyes 4 pages. I didn't expect more or less. 0 Vivax 4 filterpages, pictures - Sharrant 1,5 filterpages, big posts - xsksc 4 pages, tunnels me - JieXian 3 pages. - If you say "not likely to be scum", I don't expect you to have them floating around your null reads. Same goes for VE with stupid or scum. | ||
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Somewhat reasonable on Sharrant, just lol on everyone else. | ||
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Please explain me how and why JieXian bussed thrawn yesterday. Read my filter. | ||
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Please consider lynching JX or EZ today. | ||
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On January 29 2013 18:45 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax Why didn't you ask me to shoot xsksc yesterday night ? Start making conclusions. | ||
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Just know this: I got town back. But I don't know if it's a godfather. I'm rolling with town for now. If you think I would use this timing to do something like this as scum, step ahead. | ||
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Sharrant shouldn't be lynched actually, his stance regarding thrawn looks really really townie. He has him as slight scum in his first post, but never is entirely sure of it so he can just lay back on an eventual (bus-)read. Decided to take him from my scumreads now. | ||
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And people fitting this pattern are JX and EZ . Sharrant gives me an overall good impression despite the rather small filter. | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:44 EmileZola wrote: Vivax is just talking shit. I am town, that means if he thinks JX is an equal lynch he has no additional information. He's just a snob. I find this post... telling. He didn't know I was about to reveal a green check. He thought it was red. | ||
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Makes sense from his perspective. If I don't have a strict preference I can't have a red check. Forget what I said. Anyway, wanted ghost and JX shot after Djo's claim. Decided to check xsksc way before. He wasn't at risk of getting shot. | ||
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If the SK is smart he might have withheld last night's shot, so Djo gets lynched after the next one. We might be heading towards some trouble. | ||
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Looked like town was rolling towards a xsksc lynch. | ||
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You had JX and xsksc as not likely to be scum last time I think. SS put them as null. | ||
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To be honest I didn't want to believe my check. I was believing I hit the godfather initially. But got to go with what one gets. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote jaybrundage You were also a bitch in Dessert. Only scum I didn't guess. | ||
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Scum: JX Null: Jay Sharrant xsksc (wouldn't lynch, but looks so scummy) EZ Town: Yamato Iamp Prom Djo | ||
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On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote: *snip* VisceraEyes I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now. The first thing that set me off was this post. *snip* Why is he talking about VE's flip before the daypost? ##Unvote ##Vote Sharrant | ||
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SHARRANT SAID HE DOESNT WANT TO TALK ABOUT VE'S CONNECTIONS BEFORE HIS FLIP. BUT HE STILL TALKED ABOUT HIM. THEN VE FLIPPED GREEN. TOWN NO KNOW WHO FLIP NEXT. SHARRANT DID. btw I'm not angry, just want to make it clear for you. | ||
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Today it's JX and no one else for me. Anyway, I'll respond to his points just to show how he's twisting things: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=66#1310 1) Claiming out of nowhere and telling about your read isn't a scumtell. Dismissed. 2) Iamp voted for him, Djo just made a case against him and voted him. JX says no one. Not reading the thread or inflating things. 3) I said that I could believe xsksc to be the godfather based on his play. But I have to believe my own check instead of taking the risk of mislynching. 4) Yeah, I felt sure of marv's claim cause he had a chance of 40 % to be counterclaimed and immediately die. Not marv's style, as VE said (I think it was VE). 5) I wasn't spewing lies about Sharrant, you could say the same about Djo for that regard, interestingly you don't. I was satisfied with his answer anyway. 6) I'm not answering to something that reduces all the arguments I wrote about you to "saying opposite things". 7) Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum. 8) He wanted Djo to shoot VE... Especially cause Djo had him as scumread? Is he admitting that he tried to let town get shot just cause it was the most probable outcome based on Djo's previous scumreads? He wanted Djo to take responsibility for the shot (Which is bad if he's indeed vigi and hits the wrong target). But if he wanted that, why did he ask Djo to shoot VE and me? 9) Rest of the posts aren't even worth noticing. | ||
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On January 30 2013 23:31 EmileZola wrote: we won't lynch vivax, xscfts or JX today, thats for sure. jay, sharrant and maybe yamato are right now the only candidates. Post everything that you see as towntell for JX then. You wanting to lynch a claimed miller makes you look even worse. | ||
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I think we both were in the game where Jay came in and tried to stop VE's scum vigi lynch with some weird math right? Hero MM. He was still town. You can't be sure of someone like him this early in the way SS is. An American shouldn't listen to the SS anyway. Lynch JX today and if I'm wrong feel free to not listen to me for the rest of the game. | ||
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Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did. Easy, you actually were sure he was. Even more sure than about VE. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 19:53 JieXian wrote: Sorry but who is tfunk? wth? Find me a post that says that. I did a search in his filter for thrawn and all I saw was xsk saying that thrawn is hardlurking. I (and probably hapa too) won't lynch for MrZ if he is really MrZ because he was exactly like that in Witchcraft. Before anyone vote him please read his meta. Ghost was probably aware of his meta since he was in Witchcraft too. MrZ would be a null for me, for now. Not scumy yet. I'm putting mario aside, since that seems to be the only game where he is loud as mafia. I want thrawn to come out. ##Vote: thrawn On January 27 2013 20:09 JieXian wrote: I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? I couldn't find that either + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 23:45 JieXian wrote: It doesn't matter now that you've cleared it up, but I was thinking that: 1) You said something scummy 2) You defended thrawn 3) thrawn is lurky, and may be scum 4) You're scummy and defending someone who may be scum 5) You're both scum You vote for thrawn to come out initially, you attack Prom for defending thrawn, you retract from that after saying you think thrawn is scum for being defended by Prom, but you still are sure about thrawn to be scum. You have VE as scumread, but you say the thrawn case is much stronger and so you are giving VE the BOTD. Question: How could a lurker lynch be a stronger case than your scumread when the whole reason you mentioned in the process for thrawn being scum was: Him being defended by Prom? + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 00:28 JieXian wrote: but my vote's still on thrawn for now you french people have girly names: emile, michel, yves, guy (gayest name ever) hahaha + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 03:50 JieXian wrote: you haven't been reading the thread lol what a weak defense: With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder. | ||
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With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder. You wrote this after the "I thought" thingy, where you just said you didn't believe thrawn to be scum anymore. | ||
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What you just wrote just proved you didn't even read properly. The "I thought" sentence you just wrote about didn't refer to Prom in your earlier post, it referred to thrawn. I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? Dig deeper, JX. | ||
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Since you were so sure about him being scum based on those reasons, why didn't you mention them earlier? + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 14:21 iamperfection wrote: is it time to get the search party together for thrawn??? anyways the wagon on thrawn is now the wagon of justice. thrawn lurks when he is scum show him no mercy. Iamp's "meta reasons". First one to vote thrawn, and you immediately thought thrawn and Prom were scum off this? Don't lie. The reason you gave for thrawn being scum was this, not iamp's arguments: I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? This post is all it needs to lynch JX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=67#1334 | ||
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Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did. On January 31 2013 00:41 JieXian wrote: It's like iamp has an argument about his meta my misunderstanding about prom gave me addtional evidence, (or so I thought) His comeback post made me 90% sure. We all make decisions based on more than one thing..... | ||
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Fine, let's play the game where I let you find your own mistakes then: Ok I'm assuming that you have a problem with the English tenses here. The word "thought" implies the past, meaning I THOUGHT he was scummy, but now I don't anymore Basically I was giving Prom a townie/null read. It can be translated to : "I thought you were scum but I don't anymore" ?? I didn't think PROM was scum anymore Find the part of my post you were referring to with "I thought". | ||
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Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did. Easy, you actually were sure he was. Even more sure than about VE. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 19:53 JieXian wrote: Sorry but who is tfunk? wth? Find me a post that says that. I did a search in his filter for thrawn and all I saw was xsk saying that thrawn is hardlurking. I (and probably hapa too) won't lynch for MrZ if he is really MrZ because he was exactly like that in Witchcraft. Before anyone vote him please read his meta. Ghost was probably aware of his meta since he was in Witchcraft too. MrZ would be a null for me, for now. Not scumy yet. I'm putting mario aside, since that seems to be the only game where he is loud as mafia. I want thrawn to come out. ##Vote: thrawn On January 27 2013 20:09 JieXian wrote: I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? I couldn't find that either + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2013 23:45 JieXian wrote: It doesn't matter now that you've cleared it up, but I was thinking that: 1) You said something scummy 2) You defended thrawn 3) thrawn is lurky, and may be scum 4) You're scummy and defending someone who may be scum 5) You're both scum You vote for thrawn to come out initially, you attack Prom for defending thrawn, you retract from that after saying you think thrawn is scum for being defended by Prom, but you still are sure about thrawn to be scum. You have VE as scumread, but you say the thrawn case is much stronger and so you are giving VE the BOTD. Question: How could a lurker lynch be a stronger case than your scumread when the whole reason you mentioned in the process for thrawn being scum was: Him being defended by Prom? + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 00:28 JieXian wrote: but my vote's still on thrawn for now you french people have girly names: emile, michel, yves, guy (gayest name ever) hahaha + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2013 03:50 JieXian wrote: you haven't been reading the thread lol what a weak defense: With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder. Reposting this, find the part | ||
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I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? Ok I'm assuming that you have a problem with the English tenses here. The word "thought" implies the past, meaning I THOUGHT he was scummy, but now I don't anymore Basically I was giving Prom a townie/null read. It can be translated to : "I thought you were scum but I don't anymore" ?? I didn't think PROM was scum anymore | ||
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On January 31 2013 01:22 iamperfection wrote: can you just simplify it for me vivax something like jx is scum because- .... etc You're bad. The evidence is laid out for you on the last few pages. Don't need to make a case for dummies, read the fucking thread. | ||
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I think Sharrant, for example, deserves more attention than he is receiving now. We also can't rule out Hapa/jay nor marv/yamato. Distancing is a scum tactic. He prefers JX over Sharrant and never qualifies the preference any more than "JX has done worse". Not good enough. Either qualify it with tangible evidence, or die. You are doing the exact same thing you accused jay for. | ||
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On January 31 2013 02:31 jaybrundage wrote: The more I see EZ post the more I wanna lynch him. His terrible case on me with no reasoning is makes me think he is very likely to flip scum. Vivax I don't think that scum EZ would buddy up so well with JX if he was scum. I think that EZ being scum and trying to defend JX as a town would make JX get a town read on him even if its poorly thought out defending. While trying to make connections preflip is meh. I don't know I just don't see JX being scum if EZ is. It would be to simple. ##Vote EmileZola Tho if no one else wants to lynch him I will be willing to consolidate on JX or possibly sharrant Wtf jay this post is a disappointment. I doubt you will get anyone to lynch EZ today. It's you or JX, possibly even Sharrant. | ||
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I stick to JX today and that's it. He has caught himself up into numerous contradictions and false statements when I questioned him. | ||
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→ Asks me where I saw him being sure of thrawn → I point it out → He says he wasn't sure of Prom, not thrawn, misreading/misinterpreting his own post → I point out it was about thrawn, not Prom → He says he was 90 % sure of thrawn cause of other reasons → I point out he said he wasn't sure before, now he says he was 90 % sure → He says he wasn't 100 % sure, only 90 % → wtfisthisshit | ||
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On January 31 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote: From memory: → Asks me where I saw him being sure of thrawn → I point it out → He says he wasn't sure of Prom, not thrawn, misreading/misinterpreting his own post → I point out it was about thrawn, not Prom → He says he was 90 % sure of thrawn cause of other reasons → I point out he said he wasn't sure before, now he says he was 90 % sure → He says he wasn't 100 % sure, only 90 % → wtfisthisshit Iamp, this is for you. | ||
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Again, I don't care if jx made that mistake about Prom (now JX says it wasn't even a case). What matters is that he attacked him based on believing that he was defending thrawn (doesn't look like you only pressure voted him then) when he didn't know thrawn was scum. You wrote: I've repeated countless times that it wasn't a case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=966&topic_id=394344 Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did. To which I replied with you posting this before thrawn's lynch: With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder. Then you started posting the "I thought" bs where you say you talked about Prom when in truth it was about thrawn. This line from earlier was in my collection of quotes that prove you're scum. I thought thrawn was probably scum because of that scummy post by you and your strong defence of him. I can't find any games by tfunk. Did he play any? Which you commented with: Ok I'm assuming that you have a problem with the English tenses here. The word "thought" implies the past, meaning I THOUGHT he was scummy, but now I don't anymore So you misread/misinterpreted the thing. You were talking about thrawn before the lynch, then you're talking like it was Prom. ?? I didn't think PROM was scum anymore Then you probably noticed you were writing really derp things and wrote: I was thinking thrawn was scum after that comeback vote of his which was why I kept my vote on him? That doesn't make sense together with this: Find me that "case" you were talking about. No one knew whether thrawn was scum or not what the hell are you talking. Maybe you did. Orly? His comeback post made me 90% sure. I don't see why you asked me that question if you suddenly say you were 90 % sure. If 90 % sure isn't sure about someone being scum then I don't know what it is. | ||
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When thrawn made his final post, it was clear that he was dead anyway. So might as well call him scum cause of that. The roots of the JX case don't even lie in this little stuff. It's about him finding someone immediately scummy for defending thrawn. Sharrant, me and VE couldn't be sure about thrawn either. | ||
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You are bussing a scumbuddy early cause it's likely he will get lynched. Your reasoning for voting him is saying "come out" Then Prom comes in and writes a few things against thrawn. You misread his post thinking he's defending thrawn and immediately jump OH SHIT HE'S DEFENDING MY SCUMBUDDY ALTHOUGH HE'S JUST BEEN LURKING.SHIT THIS ONE IS SCUM TOO. MY SCUMBUDDY IS ACTUALLY SCUM CAUSE THIS GUY IS DEFENDING HIM. BOTH SCUM. Then you realize you wrote a huge load of garbage, in truth he wasn't defending your scumbuddy. Well, shit. Still, you have to keep your vote on the buddy. Thrawn writes his final post and you finally decide for him to be scum over another guy cause of that. | ||
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What are the odds that JX attacks someone for defending his scumbuddy? | ||
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I think Sharrant is scum atm. But out of the gut. | ||
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He could claim anything else just to save his ass if he was scum. Might just be wifom though. There are a few things giving me doubts about Sharrant as well. If I didn't DT check xsksc I'd be killing him over them probably. | ||
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What do we feed him as last meal? A shrimp? | ||
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Maybe he just didn't want to play scum and put his faith into the 60 % chance of not being counterclaimed. | ||
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We should pick one of them and get rid of him, then give one a free pass and look for the imaginary last scum. | ||
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I'm still disappointed that I got town back. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:45 Promethelax wrote: Well why are you voting for a guy you think is town? By switching votes like this you're just causing confusion for the case that jay is red. With yamato's actions, scum might have found a reason to switch off a scum jay. We will never know if jay doesn't die now. | ||
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Iamp, you need to enfore justice tomorrow. | ||
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Not going to lynch ANY fucking BODY but EZ if I remain alive tonight. | ||
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And there is that "I lied" part that tells a story. | ||
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All you need to find scum can be one post, in this case it's one chat. Look at that chat and tell me the guys in there aren't having fun before the mislynch. In Dessert town super got killed N1, think about that. Bugs got to endgame, but now there's super to look after him, so I see them dying before VE. | ||
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He said his internet was down. We can expect a lot more activity from him these days, RIGHT XSKSC? | ||
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All your townreads, all your null reads, all your scumreads and all your drugs. We aren't here to hold hands and sing songs, like iamp said. | ||
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On January 30 2013 01:48 EmileZola wrote: I think djodref is easily confirmable as town or SK. If one other blue flips in the future and someone else is blue, djo is confirmed SK. If not, he's confirmed scum. The problem Djodref will solve itself. In the meantime I consider him so be town. Weird post, relating Djodref's alignment to blue flips. On January 30 2013 07:50 EmileZola wrote: miller makes sense in this setup... I don't think Xckcs is GF. Sharrant or JieXian On January 30 2013 09:08 EmileZola wrote: actually yeah why am I still talking about this shit ##vote jaybrundage Committing setup about xskcs not thinking he's GF, setting Sharrant and JX as targets. Sudden loss of interest into JX and Sharrant. Relentless pushing of Jay mislynch. I'll pop in once in a while to show stuff like this. | ||
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On January 30 2013 06:09 EmileZola wrote: Why do you connect yourself with VE like that? On January 30 2013 06:15 EmileZola wrote: you seem to be concerned that your play doesnt look townie enought and therefor you show us that VE - the dead townie - plays the same. Other than that, it's up to others to decide if he's scum.I can point to things, I can't hammer arguments into your head. | ||
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Don't you you have things in mind that would qualify you as town? | ||
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But seriously don't waste your check on me please. You won't be able to lynch me even if you lie and tell people you got red. Are you nuts or something? Why are you expecting a red check to come back? Why would I lie when I didn't lie about xs? | ||
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I've changed my mind on JX. And you're retarded to ask me to check JX given your behaviour in front of the lynch between him and jay yesterday. He wasn't even on your fucking "We lynch down this list"-list. I think I'll check you instead, biatch. | ||
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Anyway, there are a few thinks JX said, especially about possibly easy mislynch targets like Hapa/Jay, that point towards him being town. | ||
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I'm altruistic didn't you know that. I'm also serious about this. Don't protect me tonight. Or do what you want, scum won't know what's up. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:45 EmileZola wrote: okay townslip. in this setup the roles are random, hapa couldnt chose. sharrant :-) On January 31 2013 07:51 Sharrant wrote: FINALLY. That makes me happy to see, I feel so much more confident about you being town now. ##unvote ##vote Jay They've given pretty easy reasons to read each other as town so quickly. I find it weird anyway that you say to a scumread of yours: "OH nice, I'm sure you're town now". A little of confirmation bias should always be there when you genuinely believe that you're talking to scum. I suggest you simply read their filters imagining them as scum team. EZ bussing thrawn with two dangly filters, Sharrant reluctantly calling thrawn a lurker lynch after he suspected him for lurking initially. | ||
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Tell me: Don't you think it's a good idea to post a case against someone before his death? I think it would be really good scum play. You lose your only scum read, look like you contributed and keep all other options open for you to jump on the next day. | ||
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You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter. Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch. Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2. Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day. You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy. | ||
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Yet another Normal mini mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487 | ||
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Since that alleged scumslip I can't remember pushing you much, you didn't "have to deal with me constantly" at all. Lay out your detailed thoughts, townreads and scumreads for tomorrow please. With 2 blue claims you have no reason to be afraid of talking about your townreads. | ||
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On February 01 2013 04:06 Sharrant wrote: Vivax, I'm sorry, I've tried ignoring everything you've taken out of context or twisted because apparently that's what you do. You don't read the thread, you just make shit up as you go along. That's it. You're wrong about why I gave EZ a town read. I gave EZ a town read because it's a hydra made of two people that I expect two spew anger constantly, AND I SAW NONE OF THAT. That was honestly the scummiest thing about him aside from the connection in Prom's post that I pointed out. And then there's finally some anger. Boom, that was the last piece of the puzzle for me to have him as a town read unless Prom flips and flips red at some point. This is a bad explanation. I doubt this was your original intention since you are telling me you'd read them as scum if they didn't spew anger constantly. You're asking them to act anti-town? On February 01 2013 04:06 Sharrant wrote: You're damn right I considered Thrawn a lurker lynch. He only had two posts of any substance. As scum he should have had a page of filter in day one, usually a little more than that. I rather would have lynched Prom who I had a scum read on at the time. He had gone so far past the point of lurking I was pretty sure he'd just replace out. He was afk day one, not lurking, there's a difference. Sharrant: January 27 2013 05:06 Thrawn2112 This will be much shorter. His first post is entirely null to me, a fairly obvious joke post but I don't have much faith in my ability to tell whether the joke is forced or not. What's concerning to me is his lack of contribution afterwards, I'm used to Thrawn being a name I see pop up quite frequently in whichever game he is in, and he's thus far barely been in this one. I don't think this matches up with any of his previous playing styles however, so this is a very weak scum read. On January 27 2013 14:55 Sharrant wrote: You were quite clear, but I wanted to give you a chance to clarify. I agree that Thrawn lurks when he is scum, but I have never seen him lurk this hard. Comparing his filters in other games they suffer significantly when he's scum compared to town, but I find it a little absurd to compare this lurking to his lurking in other games. I would be more agreeable if you had said this was a lurker lynch, but lurking this hard is headed into modkill/replacement territory, and at least from my perspective this seems non-alignment indicitave because of the severity of the lurking. I'll consider this more as we get closer to the deadline, but unless he pipes up soon, he's going to stay as a null read. Everything further has to be looked at by others. I'm tired of spoonfeeding the town, but what we see here is that you subtly criticized iamp for going for a lurker lynch, while constantly repeating: "Thrawn is scummy for lurking, but he lurks so much he can't be scum". On January 28 2013 07:34 Sharrant wrote: Well, for starters, Thrawn is not a scum read. I'm not sure how you got that, he's pretty much entirely null to me. Too much absence to get even a minor read on. EmileZola is like a vortex for my sanity. Another big lurker (though slightly more active) and he's mainly just sort of trolled along. I think it's fairly safe to treat him like he's not MrZentor, which makes me wonder why the wagon that was beginning to form on him fizzled out and hasn't come back after the revelation. He agrees with one of my reads though, I'm not sure to take that as a mark against my read, or a mark for him being townie, I need to hear more from him. Djodref is still null for me, and JieXian is pretty much my wildcard scum read. If it doesn't end up being Prom/VE/EmileZola I would expect JieXian to be in the team. In the end you say he isn't scum at all. On February 01 2013 04:06 Sharrant wrote: I wanted to lynch Yamato for being afk the entire day, up until he comes in and hard defends a guy who has done nothing but sheep and go "this guys scum cuz scum". What the fuck is that? If Thrawn had pulled some bullshit like that, I absolutely would have been on his lynch. On February 01 2013 02:08 Vivax wrote: You know, I don't see scum successfully fakeclaiming miller and then starting to troll the shit out of town getting to the edge of getting lynched for it. Comment on this then, I assume you saw this post while going through my filter. On February 01 2013 04:06 Sharrant wrote: Yeah, I had a rough day 2 because I was 100% sure about VE being scum. And he flipped town, along with so many people doing things that looked scummy it was hard for me to actually get a real read except for a bunch of town reads. That left me with a pool of players that I could make pretty similar cases on. Yeah, VE attacked me when I went after him, but you know what? Some of the things he has attacked me for I know I'm right on. Everyone that has flipped that wasn'ton Thrawn's wagon has flipped town, and I'm town. You had a "rough" day2? You had jay and JX as scumreads, I was hardtunneling JX while you did exactly nothing to get a better read on these two players. You kept dropping statements about them, never seemed truly interested in knowing what they had to say to certain matters. On February 01 2013 04:06 Sharrant wrote: Stop twisting my words, stop trying to make a terrible case on me, and start trying to actually lynch scum. I had to deal with this before I reread the rest of the thread. I saw this post and it just pushed my buttons. I'll be around the computer until day post, but probably with a few gaps in there. Emotional, dramatic fluff that only disrupts discussion and atmosphere. This is the stuff you gave EZ a townread for right? | ||
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Remember the notes I gave to Palmar in LVIII? | ||
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Yamato: I don't see him piss off town like that as scum when he could just play the pro-town guy with a claim in the bag. As for Sharrant, his attitude towards thrawn stinks, VE got murdered after attacking him, and his obvious disinterest in finding out who's scum between JX and jay, and all the other stuff I wrote in my last posts against him. The NK argument isn't just WIFOM, scum is used to people not speculating about that cause they are used to people dismissing it cause of the wifom-argument, so they simply pick the most straight forward choice. Have yet to play in a scum team that says: "We kill this guy cause then they suspect this guy...", mostly they say "We kill this guy cause he has good reads and wants to kill us". | ||
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Why the hell would scum beg the vigi to not shoot two townies???? The green check holds so far. | ||
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But I doubt he's using the same star twice. | ||
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We might want to consider iamp just to be safe. I guess no one even tried to get a read on him given his D1 push on thrawn. Very unlikely since he's constantly expressing his interest into his targets though: JX and xsksc, so they exclude each other. Yamato? I don't know man. Gambling on marv having gambled. Risking to be lynched despite his strong claim. JX or xs today? Other suggestions? | ||
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Not feeling really comfortable with killing yamato, would expect him to act less cocky before the jay mislynch as scum. JX or Mocsta, pick one. I'm equally fine with both, everyone else I currently have a townread on. | ||
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I think I'm simply too used to live among mafia. | ||
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Frankly I think we have two vigis, there was no third kill tonight and Prom would have framed Djo by not claiming. | ||
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Since you like to base your reads on dead players so much, why don't you mention that for a change? | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:33 Djodref wrote: Iamp What do you think about the balance of the team ? I don t see toad rolling jx xksc thrawn as scum against marv hapa ve bugs ss as town and say ^lets roll this shit! ^ Why don't you ask Toad if he picked the teams on his own then? Can't know if he randomized or not if you just speculate about it. Balance arguments don't have a place in here now. | ||
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Then there's the argument that I didn't have to claim cause xs wasn't at risk of getting lynched (by Bugs), then there's the opposite argument that I had no point of claiming at that point if I wanted to protect him as scumbuddy since he wasn't too much at danger. JX, you keep dodging the Mocsta option, what exactly makes him town in your opinion if you doubt my DT check in the first place? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:04 JieXian wrote: Btw I'm trying to think here. If everyone can asnwer my questions Vivax will be a townie to me and I'll know who to lynch LOL | ||
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But that doesn't belong in this game. What I found funny is that you're announcing a townread on me making it dependent on others discussing with you. | ||
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Come on Djo | ||
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I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared. | ||
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Here's the case: I will vote for you if Djo is right. What you gonna do about it? | ||
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I just hope that there isn't a fourth mafia as "nerf" for town. | ||
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C=me VV= Djo and Prom TTTT=2 goons + RB No miller cause that would be CVVMTTT Setup with a SK. I guess I'm interpreting it correctly from the site. | ||
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Probably a GF instead of a goon. We lynch JX and Mocsta and we should be fine. | ||
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Djo did not have to claim and could have shot last night but didn't. Prom did not have to claim and could have framed Djo with the extra shot. Sure, they might have hit the same targets. Prom is surely no SK given his actions, at worst it's Djo, but this night we will know anyway. And then we still know that the last scum has to be among JX and mocsta. | ||
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By keeping quiet I can guarantee at least 1 townie doesn't get shot Yeah, like when I was urging Prom to shoot Sharrant. On February 01 2013 03:13 JieXian wrote: Ok I have to reread his filter tomorrow If what you said is true, you have a point. | ||
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If we have no medic and the SK got hit, then why didn't he hit anybody? That means we have medic and SK. Scum-> SK SK -> Saved hit? Anyway, let's kill the scum, the SK isn't far away then. ##Vote JieXian | ||
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That means the SK is neither Djo nor Prom? | ||
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We can think about that later. If the last scum dies and we don't win then SK is confirmed. Right now we could still have a medic or a town roleblocker. | ||
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I just don't know if JX wants to kill iamp cause he knows he's the SK or cause he wants town to lose and mindfucks us. Clearly there can be multiple 1-shot roles, that sounds like a reasonable town nerf. But that's not even the reason to not believe the JX claim, his claim simply holds no use except to save his own ass, which isn't what one would do as DT getting a "green check" back from someone who he failed to defend for the eventuality that it was a GF afterwards. Given Prom's behaviour I'm excluding him as SK.Could have simply framed Djo. Mocsta would be the first SK to choose cop immunity. So he's confirmed now. Djo and Iamp have the chance of being SK. But more after the lynch ##Vote 24 h cycle | ||
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Interesting. | ||
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SK would have had to hold his shot tonight and to be hit by scum at the same time. I just don't see scum holding theirs though. It's too likely that they hit him if all the claims were honest. Then maybe SK hit the same targets as scum/vigi N1 and 2. Or just one night and in the other the SK was one of the vigs. Or held the shot during Djos' claim and tried to frame Djo in the next night, but hitting Sharrant or EZ. etc. I'm expecting an aftermath, given last nights' happenings. | ||
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That's giving me thoughts atm. But JX, if he's indeed scum, could tell us anything and we wouldn't know if he favours town or the SK. | ||
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On February 05 2013 01:12 iamperfection wrote: you want me to walk you how to do it jx? you should probally go like this iamperfection he is scum becasue bs bs bs bsbsbsbsbsbsbs throw in some quotes more bs bs bs bs bs bs and then vote ------------------------------ you probably would have had a better chance. I lol'd | ||
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I feel kinda bad for you guys that the roleblocker died so early, given yamato's play he must have been pretty frustrated about that. | ||
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It gave me the image of a french dude taking the town as hostage, completely calm and while chewing on something, shaking the gun in front of your face until you talked. Unlike lynching, it has more of the potential to scare scum and let them do something stupid to not get shot. It's innovative, did you see that in another game? Props to iamp for leading the thrawn wagon. We have to do something about best mislynch NA for future games. I have no clue how he always gets lynched as town. | ||
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