EPTOn January 21 2013 15:45 supersoft wrote:
hm... i'll better wait and see how the playerlist develops :-o
hm... i'll better wait and see how the playerlist develops :-o
I'm in if you are buddy.
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I'm in if you are buddy. | ||
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I think we'll manage though and this will be a town win and we will all bleed a happy green together. Thrawn, promise me, if in a few years I'm cranky and mean but very good (bugs syndrome) please notify me. | ||
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This is my chance to inject fun back into the game for me. I love playing, I feel like I'm improving in a big way recently but while I get better the game gets less fun because of what lurky and useless town players have done to the game. I have felt cheated by my losses and I don't think I would feel rewarded by a win if I rolled scum. My hope is that this game will be high enough level for me to find joy in it and if I don't manage to enjoy it I'll be taking a break. I love normal minis and they are my crack but if this town lurks away a win I will be avoiding any game without the right player list. | ||
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I think YAN is a great example of this. Both Palmar and Bugs, as town, realized how shit the town was and half-assed their parts as townies. Their half ass was still better than anyone else in the game but it is hard for me as an up and coming player to watch the players I respect and look up to contribute to the problems they hate. Bugs does know how to play correctly and that is why I expect so much more of him. He is one of those players whom I know to be good and I know to be better than they are showing in their recent town games (VE is another great example if we wanna talk about the trash that was lviii or marv, BC and Palmar in lviii) it pains me to see the guys who I believe to be above the bullshit fall in it. I expect a certain level of total shit (Morb and Eywa in YAN) but to have vets whom I respecct allowing that total shit to overwhelm them and detract from their own play is deeply demoralizing to me as a player in those games. | ||
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Look at that list and tell me that you expected better play from all of those guys. My point is that the top players are not playing their top games when shitty towns are shitty. I (totally unreasonably) expect better of them when I myself am unable to rise above shitty towns. Again lviii. | ||
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I know you think I am angry (and I was after lviii) but I'm not. I'm just not deriving the joy from this game I once did. I want to get that joy back and I very much don't want to take that joy from other players. | ||
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We plays minis while we play minis because we are awesome. | ||
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On January 21 2013 00:40 Sharrant wrote: /in Any estimate on when this will start? Are you planning on getting modkilled and replaced again by the way? I am not fond of people whom I have replaced for. | ||
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Forewarning: weekends=bad for me me no posty much on Friday and Saturday | ||
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I guess we're waiting for one more, eh? This EmileZota guy seems real legit. | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:19 Vivax wrote: Hi. Going to be trying to play this game in a different way. I'll be coming some time in before deadline to drop huge analysis posts. I'll try to keep interactions with others to a minimum. Time to party for you! Best of luck to you, as someone who has tried to do this more than once let me suggest you drop it, it won't work. | ||
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I'm not even from here. | ||
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I'm leaving for work in like 35 minutes. I want the game to start first! C'mon Toad, I believe. | ||
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On January 26 2013 08:45 Vivax wrote: I didn't receive a role either. So you can put your vote back. lol, too defensive man. ## Vote: Vivax way to make it obvious. | ||
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Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini. We believe in capital punishment in this town. xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? | ||
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Imp: I'm not scum. Try again. Millers, listen to vivax. | ||
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VE, c'mon man. Get on in here. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote: That's good news! Marv is on town's side! Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd like all non self aware millers to claim lol. (x: its in reference to a recent game. Now answer my questions) its early marv, better than anything else so far. Out to work, see you guys in 10 hours or so. | ||
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Masons: do not counter claim Marv. A miller is just as likely if we have masons or not. Djo, the fuck are you thinking? | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:23 xsksc wrote: Alright. I'd appreciate if you do the same for me, you're one of the players in this game I'm not familiar with. My reads are usually pretty good, I've never been lynched and I'd like to think people can identify my town play easily enough. My weakness would probably be not pushing my reads hard enough/getting people on-board with me. It's 2 lines long, I'm not sure what world that would qualify as lengthy in... Iamperfection said Proms post was scummy, I said I don't see a scum motive behind it, pointless post =/= scum post. Fairly simple. Replying to this before I forget, at one time I thought my strength lay in being obviously townie and not in scum hunting. Over my last few games I think that has been shifting. I have been mislynched twice in a row and caught scum twice I. A row (we are ignoring lviii). I can pretty well assure you that Marv and probably Hapa will be able to read me as town. As to the other players in this game, most know me and have played with me before but I'm less sure that they'll be able to read me well. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:20 iamperfection wrote: your vote on vivax serious prom? As serious as it can be this early. That is still the scummiest thing in the thread. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote: lol, do you really want me to start to speculate about the setup ? The bolded part in your post is just plain wrong. In a classic C9++ game, the probability to have a mason pair and a miller is of 2.3%. I did the math here in the pregame. So, yeah, you can "soft" counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. + Show Spoiler [BEWARE, math incoming] + On January 24 2013 02:13 Djodref wrote: Two millers are usually not possible, and you have one miller when you have exactly one M or exactly 3 Ms in the setup. So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup. M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled. Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled. MXXXXXX XMXXXXX XXMXXXX XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10) XXXXMXX XXXXXMX XXXXXXM There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087 The probability is so roughly of 37% So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup. You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3 so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ?? That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess. But listen, probability of the set up existing are not the same as ability to counter claim. It's about math (statistics) and I don't really want to get into it but you are just as likely to have a miller in a set up with or without masons. | ||
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Work still slow: I expect you and Marv to know I am town. If you are town because you read me right and if scum because you won't be dumb enough to read me wrong. Doesn't matter if you are town or scum I expect both of you to, within the first few days (if we are all alive) to be treating me like confirmed town. Xsksc: look at lviii for a game where everyone had Vivax as a super town read even though he was scum. Don't be too sure of yourself based on his spotlight love. You know those Italians, they love attention (is that a real stereotype or did I just make it up?) | ||
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Hapa, I figured you were good enough to figure it out, the only times you've called me scum when we were both town was in newbies. In chrono you and I omgus'd a lot but I don't feel like you ever seriously thought I was scum. Lets just say that I'm confident that you know me well enough to figure it out. You said yourself you'd never have voted me I. Our most recent game if you were town. Djo, who are you actually suspicious of? Or is this weird stuff with xsksc actually you thinking he is scummy? Thrawn, I want to hear more from you. You and Marv have both been oddly quiet, Marv I want more from you too. | ||
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Ghost is American and I dunno where the smurf is from for real. I honestly doubt sharrent will even post, I had to replace for him in LC and I doubt things have changed. We will see though. I too am worried by Tfunk. I look forward to something from him, . | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:30 Hapahauli wrote: @ Prom To add on to this, the only game we played in newbies was when I was town and you were scum. Before it got fucked up we were both town. I feel like you calling me scum in CT was more an omgus than a read. Look let's drop it, we aren't finding scum here and now with this discussion. | ||
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Also, JX appeared, said a lot of fluff and vanished. Congratulations JX. you earned yourself a medal. ## unvote. ##vote: JX | ||
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In the shower I had a thought he wants us to distrust Marc's miller claim. Scum want that. | ||
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Not a big fan of you excusing yourself from the discussion because of me, | ||
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Both Marv and millers should be considered town until further evidence. A Marv miller even more so. But one should never let the nature of why you have at Marv miler as town obscure your thoughts since he could be scum. Discrediting Marv now is stupid, he is probably town, he is probably miller and he will probably be night killed, throwing a bunch of suspicions is a waste of time and space. All we needed was to remember that he wasn't totally confirmed town. So yes, I wanted to hear more from Marv, I always want to hear more from Marv. Hapa, besides thrawn and his lurk what are you seeing in this thread worth attacking? is the smurf really mr. Z? If he isn't is he scum? | ||
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Mr Zola, could you tell us truthfully who you are please and thanks. Assume I know your deepest secret and that you shouldn't lie to me. | ||
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Imp, which of the active players is scummiest? | ||
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EZ I meant what I said. Don't lie to me or to the thread. Ghost, you played with Hapa recently. Are you really suggesting aggression is a scum tell for him? | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:38 xsksc wrote: Some notable things I got from responses - Iamp dodged my reads question. Djodref did not give me a satisfiable answer about WHY he was wasting so much time arguing about my semantics. Felt like he was making posts for the sake of it, left a bad taste in my mouth. Emilezola's attitude is pretty anti-town. I asked him what impressions he had and he just turns around and asked me to summarize it for him...not impressed. Who is scum, eh? I think emilezola. I see no town agenda coming from him, he seems content to just sit there and let everybody else play the game, and I really really don't like his withholding of information. Which of them is scum for their responses? EZ? | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:41 ghost_403 wrote: Brief thoughts on Prom: Itam 1: Useless post. + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2013 09:08 Promethelax wrote: Okay, lets set some ground rules, no one tries to lynch Marv d1 unless Hapa, me and VE all agree about him being scum. We're the three who know him well in this group. A corollary is that we will lynch him in lylo no matter what. If he is town and scum want to take the risk of letting him live that long we can make that trade. Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini. We believe in capital punishment in this town. xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? This vote is worthless and poorly thought out. Normally, I would expect someone who is critically thinking about this game to put some more time into their votes, at the very least after the fact. I have seen nothing in his filter after this defending and pushing his vote. It indicates that he hasn't really thought it through, further indicating that he already knows the outcome of the vote. Past that, there's not too much to really point out at this point. His filter is empty of anything to really talk about. It's just kind of empty. And his second vote is pretty much worthless. Town prom is better than this, which is why I'm gonna ##vote promethelax Town prom has heard that argument before. But I get my reads this way and they are good. My vote on Vivax was perfect actually, scum are too quick to believe the claims of townies because they know that the person claiming is town. Vivax was too quick to believe Marv. Have we ever played together ghost? | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:43 ghost_403 wrote: Honestly, I don't remember what he played like D1 in Witchcraft. Subbed in D3 iirc, and never read D1. I remember he was stupidly aggressive after he got confirmed town status, but that's about it. Is he normally aggressive on Day 1? He is made of aggression all the time. His scum play is actually less aggressive than his town play. But good on you for calling something scummy it hour knowing the player or how he plays. | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:42 xsksc wrote: Read my second paragraph? Imp already said what I had to say. I asked you what you learned and you told me about people avoiding your questions. That isn't a thing to learn. Why mention things which you have no conclusions about? | ||
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Imp, between x and Tfunk I'm with you. | ||
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You are. You say you are willing to kill thrawn ergo you think he is scum. You say he had better get in here soon and make a sad face which is saying he is town. You don't have a read and you are setting yourself up both to vote and to not vote him. | ||
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Why are we lynching x? Why can't we pressure him? Are you really this much of a fool? Why not EZ? | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:43 xsksc wrote: How did you arrive at the bolded part? I'm sad that he's completely lurked and been useless so far...how on earth does that indicate I have a town read on him? That's dumb. If I thought he was town I wouldn't have just agreed to kill him... I'll happily kill anyone who makes a couple of posts and then lurks for the rest of the day. Yes = I am willing to kill him. D: = He has done nothing and I want him to be contributing. Yes=he is scum D:= but I still want him too talk even though I'm sure he is scum. | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:43 xsksc wrote: How did you arrive at the bolded part? I'm sad that he's completely lurked and been useless so far...how on earth does that indicate I have a town read on him? That's dumb. If I thought he was town I wouldn't have just agreed to kill him... I'll happily kill anyone who makes a couple of posts and then lurks for the rest of the day. Yes = I am willing to kill him. D: = He has done nothing and I want him to be contributing. Okay, so why did you agree to kill Tfunk but not any of the other lurkers I just mentioned? Why is he the scummiest for you. | ||
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On January 27 2013 12:00 Djodref wrote: Hello guys ! I want to lynch VE today. I don't have time to expand on it but I should have a case for tonight (in 8hours). If we cannot consolidate, thrawn is a good lynch for today due to his inactivity. ##Vote VE Don't run you French bastard. Explain! | ||
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Now answer my questions. | ||
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that you said two things which aren't congruent. I can't call djo on his bs after he vanishes. When he comes back I can. And I'll be here since I'm working for another six hours. Also: Hapa, do you really thing mr Z wrote the above post? It doesn't sound like him at all. | ||
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Sharrent did you play any games besides LC (never forget) ? You seem to have some meta reads which I don't understand the basis of. Where are you getting this knowledge? I'm going to sleep. See you in eight hours. Someone get that BE case from djo when he shows up. | ||
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I already said I misinterpreted x's post. Y u no read? | ||
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The hell does your first post on this page mean? Scummy post by who makes thrawn scum?who defended him? | ||
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This is super important. I want answers from everyone who has played with mrZ recently. | ||
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On January 27 2013 01:39 yamato77 wrote: Obviously I'm miller Still catching up, but in the first few pages I already want to kill iamp for being an overly accusatory shit but we'll see how that goes. Yam's only post this game. The fuck is this shit? Get back here and show me your tunnel. EZ answer my questions. | ||
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That was one of the worst cases I've ever seen. You managed to not say anything about VE's alignment that I found worth listening to. I have him as null and he stayed, firmly, null reading what you wrote. Go out and do your research right and we can talk again. Now go look at EZ's posts and tell me they do or do not seem to come from mr z. | ||
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Does emilezola read like mr. Z to you? Y/n? | ||
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On January 27 2013 12:18 EmileZola wrote: hi boys <3 i want to ask you all a few questions. i'm not understanding some things about both hapa and thrawn. but maybe your answers will help me figure out which one of them to lynch today. right now i maybe want to lynch thrawn a bit more. just a bit though. when i voted hapa he delurked and said good morning. but if i am not mistaken he is american, and it was around 6:00 kst. why would hapahauli say good morning if it is between 1 pm and 4 pm in the USA? maybe he was actively lurking before i voted him. maybe he is scum? second from what i have seen thrawn does not play very very lurky. i think he is scum. i would expect him to maybe call someone scum or do something by now but where is he? has anyone played a game with him where he afks like this? thank you loves  This one didn't read as zentor-y to me. | ||
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On January 28 2013 03:50 JieXian wrote: you haven't been reading the thread lol what a weak defense: With VE's terrible defense and thrawn's super scummy post I'm lost for choices. I'm going to give VE the BOTD for now because thrawn's case screams scum waaay louder. Just catching up but had to stop to call you an idiot. I was not defending thrawn in any of those posts. Pointing you towards Mario mini where he lurked hardcore as scum is in fact an attack on thrawn, not a defence, you thick? | ||
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I'm pushing my reads, pressuring players and trying to find scum. You are simply in a tunnel on me for no damn reason. Oh, ad VE is on my don't lynch day one list as is hapa, imp and ghost get honourable places there this game. This is not a terribly strong line up and leaving the stronger players alive for at least one full cycle is the best idea. Anyone who witnessed dessert should be able to figure this one out. I am going to consolidate on thrawn, we need a lynch and he has been playing anti town. We need to lynch anyone playing like this, especially if their scum meta matches this. ##unvote ##vote: thrawn | ||
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Can we please go back to thinking of EZ as a not troll who should not being given the leniency we (unfortunately) give to mr. Z. He unclaimed being mr z and has continued to troll and failed to answer my questions. He is ever rising on the scum-o-meter3000 (tm) | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:03 EmileZola wrote: 1. I won't answer your questions. 2. I am not only trolling. Why are you reducing my play on this part? How would you categorize your own play?l | ||
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As your self appointed leader I'm telling you both to stop fighting now. | ||
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Your last couple of posts have just been repeating what other people said. Not quoting. Not agreeing. Just repeating. | ||
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On January 27 2013 09:26 Hapahauli wrote: No damn clue. Trying to hash out my opinion of him right now. yeah, this was 24 hours ago and I want him back. He was parsing out an opinion half way through day one and never came back to parse it. | ||
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Vivax, since you are here can you cclairfy if you really think ghost has a bullet or if you were joking. Thanks. | ||
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On January 27 2013 19:56 Promethelax wrote: No djo? I'm unimpressed. Sharrent did you play any games besides LC (never forget) ? You seem to have some meta reads which I don't understand the basis of. Where are you getting this knowledge? I'm going to sleep. See you in eight hours. Someone get that BE case from djo when he shows up. I don't see the insult. Answer me about where you are getting these meta reads and your game history. | ||
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Viv, put your vote on someone you think is scum. Don't be a fool. | ||
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"I have read some games"isn't an answer. What games have you read that led to the meta reads you are mentioning and what about those metas sticks out to you. | ||
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Viv, it matters because he isn't the only guy I need to get a read on and getting you to clarify what you are seeing is part of that. He is not a smurf of anyone. He played most recently in Liquid City where, as vig, he shot a town vet n1 and replaced out. | ||
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Though I'd like a quick run-down of your top scum reads. | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:57 Sharrant wrote: @Prom Just a case of me not being specific enough. The games I was referring to not having read were the newbie games. You say he only ever misread you as mafia back in the newbies. He claims that you were actually mafia in that game. And then you say something about the game being fucked up (presumably it had to be restarted and you were rolled as mafia on the second time). That's what confuses me, why do you two have such different recollections? I could see the scum motivation in your side of the exchange, but I thought it was too absurd to be an actual attempt at hoping Hapa would not remember the games clearly. So it was just null and confusing. I did read CT, I was pretty sure you were town there, and that Hapahauli was just being paranoid town as well so I wasn't confused there, just didn't seperate the two sets of games you were referring to. oh, okay. That makes more sense. Yes, nmm xxiii had to be restarted, I was town in the first iteration and scum in the second. There is a link to it in my profile. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:05 Djodref wrote: Thrawn scum meta is unmistakable ! why weren't you voting for him the whole day in that case? | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:07 Vivax wrote: Don't you think he looks a little scared?Almost feels...guilty. I find that JX always reads as a little guilty to me, I think he is scared of what people see him as no matter what he is. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:08 JieXian wrote: I was only voting him as a pressure vote until he came up with that wonderful comeback post >_> Going to sleep now. what does >_> mean? Why is your face not happy that you were on scum early day one? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [c9++ including scum rb] + TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather we have between 2 and 7 letters. Just remember set-up in case of my untimely death and keep an eye on incongruent claims. I'm reading day one over again and I hope you'll all do the same. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:30 Djodref wrote: Useless post. Where is your case against me ? Don't have one and never said I did. I don't like how you voted, I don't like that you said VE was town in this game earlier and I don't like your explanation of your vote. I'm rereading day one to find scum. We'll see if you are who I find. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:51 Djodref wrote: But isn't this post calling me scum ? Have the decency to post a case against me before writting posts like this. You are on my scummy list. I don't like how you voted, I don't like that you said VE was town in this game earlier and I don't like your explanation of your vote all of those things are scum points to you. when you said this: On January 28 2013 08:17 Djodref wrote: Because you don't get much information from a lynch like this. I think VE lynch would have been more controversial and would have gave us more info. That's why I was pushing VE over thawn. my reaction was to remember the scumslip (or dumbslip) from earlier that I called out. Here it is: On January 27 2013 20:39 Djodref wrote: Here are the reasons why I think VE is scum. First is his entrance post in the thread. Let's have a look at his latest entrance posts. Hero Mini Mafia -> scum TL LVIII -> town Here -> town It's a matter of sobriety. As town, VE is much more sober than scum. For example, he likes to use Caps Lock, but he uses it more as scum than as town. For reference, you can compare his two filters in Hero Mini Mafia (clicky) and TL Mafia LVIII (also clicky). And why should he be exceptionally happy to be town ? It's not like his last town game was heaven on earth... One difference between VE town and scum games is also is activity. I'm not satisfied with VE activity so far. So I don't like this post at all. Him waiting for other players input as an excuse to do nothing. I don't like this post as well, because it reminds me of a lot of posts like this in Hero Mini Mafia. One other difference between town VE and scum VE is that scum VE is much more derpy in his cases than town VE, at least in my eyes. So I think that his reason to vote iamp is weak, and thus makes him scum. It's not like iamp questions are always very precise and helpful in his town games. + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter. In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: It would kind of at that. ##Vote: iamperfection One last thing is that the Mr. Zentor rule is similar to he Chezinu rule. The first guy to attack Mr. Zentor is mafia. I have no idea what to make of Emile so far, but statistically, he has more chances to be town than to be scum. So I find very strange that VE wants to policy-lynch him, especially on the basis of him being a troll. Mr. Zentor is readable and baits out mafia players (see WitchCraft and British Empire) so he is useful in his way. That's why I think VE is scum. And sorry for the delay, I was at a wedding today. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:08 VisceraEyes wrote: JieXian should be tomorrow I think. This was right when thrawn wagon was picking up steam. that was one of the day one posts I noted as scummy. <3 you. | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:36 JieXian wrote: Where you got that from? Since there's a miller there should be a GF right? what? Do you know how c9++ works? If not don't try to have this discussion. Just listen to me. | ||
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On January 28 2013 15:18 JieXian wrote: Ok. Actually I don't. PLease explain it to me. Not sure if PMs are allowed since it's kinda non-game related Millers replace the innocent child on TL. They come from a single M roll (or three, any uneven number of M rolls) godfathers appear, with scum roleblockers, in either the one, two or zero T setup. If you need more info I can send you the wiki link for the setup. Djo, I'm torn on where your shot should go. Ghost is quite scummy, JX, Shar and yourself all seem scummy as well. EZ is a troll who I'm quite sure is not mister zentor and I'd rather like him dead. Where is your vig breadcrumb? | ||
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On January 28 2013 15:22 JieXian wrote: Oh while we're talking about the setup, is there also a 40% chance that DJO will be outed for that VG claim? Two vigis is possible with three V rolls. Though in regular c9++ that would be a single shot and multi shot but single shot is the only possibility in OP. Rest of thread, thoughts, would a vig counter claim out djo as scum/sk fake claiming? | ||
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VE: I ask you to look for scum/sk play in djo. His claim makes no sense. He will not shoot you if he wants to live so don't worry unduly about it. I'm most interested in your thoughts out of everyone in this thread. There are very few townies in this game whose opinion I care to hear. | ||
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Good, Super, your reads agree with mine. I like that. I'd like you to explain them though if you'd be so kind. Also, who do you think is scummiest after ghost? I had Ghost as my tip top scummer after the lynch, followed by djo. | ||
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Djo: shoot ghost. Don't wifom about it. Don't think about it. Shoot ghost. If I had a bullet to shoot tonight it would be at him. | ||
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On January 28 2013 17:21 Promethelax wrote: No, you don't shoot super. HA! marv can attest to this in postgame, I called that one early on. Good, Super, your reads agree with mine. I like that. I'd like you to explain them though if you'd be so kind. Also, who do you think is scummiest after ghost? I had Ghost as my tip top scummer after the lynch, followed by djo. just looked through my PMs. Marv can't confirm this because I didn't send it to him. Fuck. Ah well. No gloating for me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [c9++ for JX] + http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B VE: look who that idea exonerates: Shar, Ghost and Hapa. Shar has a town read on ghost and is therefore a wonderful lynch candidate tomorrow. Ghost needs to be shot tonight though. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:54 Djodref wrote: I would like people to discuss about Promethelax and xsksc when I sleep please ! I'm town. I have xscsk on the green side of my notes. I liked his reaction to SS/other guy when they appeared and said they hadn't read the thread [an aside, I knew that EZ was a hydra because Oats slipped to me pre-game. You'll notice this is why I was freaking out on how EZ =/= Mr. Z it also is the secret I was trying to get SS to reveal to the thread. I'm glad everyone else knows what I know but now the other half has been slipped to me as well] On January 29 2013 00:06 JieXian wrote: Shoot Vivax, his activity is like he hasn't been drinking his cappucinno for days, not at all like the Vivax from LIX or the newbie game. He's sneaking around quietly instigating people. I have a hard time seeing this as scummy. We all have activity changes, we all have aggressions and instigations. What is it in Vivax's play that makes you call him scum? (not that he is abrasive but that he is scum). On January 29 2013 00:35 iamperfection wrote: i would be super suspicious if prom defended thrawn for no reason what so ever that would look super weird. If prom actually had straight up defended thrawn i would have tried to kill him because a defense of lurker who plays scum by lurking is scummy as hell. thrawn wasn't a lurker lynch he just plays scum really bad. Thisthisthis. Defending Thrawn would have been stupid no matter my alignment. I didn't really feel the need to pressure him though, within the first day I knew I would be voting him based on his inactivity and decided not to waste my day with a vote on thrawn. I pressured around and tried to get something done instead. On January 29 2013 00:42 Djodref wrote: @ Promethelax What changed your mind about marv's miller claim between these two posts ? Nothing? Those are consistent with my opinion and I have explained this in thread already. On January 29 2013 01:01 ghost_403 wrote: @djo: You gonna give me a good reason why you're planning on shooting me? I can't really argue again "meh, I don't really see any better scum targets", especially when I've been pushing the two scum that I've found all game long. Do you disagree with my reads? So I am still scum? I'd like an updated case from you on the off chance that djo saves your life; you here call me (I think) scum. Not probable scum. Not Scummy. Scum. So yeah, write a real case. | ||
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Sorry ghost. Still love you even though I thought you was scum. So with these night kills djo is pretty unlikely to be the SK but if he is sk we'll need to lynch him. Ah we'll, saving him until Lylo and/or a night with too many kills. Going to read over the night, wish VE had added more and that ghost hadn't just attacked me. Imp: I am opposed to a xscsk lynch. | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:02 Djodref wrote: @ Prome Are you saying that VE is better than supersoft and wbg together ? Or are you saying they are not town this game ? Er...no, hadn't really thought that one through. But EZ has drawn a lot of fire where I had VE on the town side of my list. Although I have weresoft as town too so I dunno. Super you see how I was messing with people based on their smiles? I'm doing that forever now, <3. As for the xscsk post you quoted djo, no, that would be a townie trying to work out what the fuck is going on. Your claim was appallingly bad and so he was confused, also questions like that are in my experience, asked by townies who don't quite get it not scummers who know how their kp resolves. | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:34 iamperfection wrote: why do you think xzcxzv is town prom? A matter of mentality. He seems interested, involved and unafraid. Not a strong town read but he is still on my green side. | ||
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well that is the problem, your play suggests scum and your actions vig/sk. There is a reason you were the least scummy of the lot. I can't figure out how your play as a whole fits with town/sk/scum | ||
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Imp, you r wagon feels much less just today. Try to give me a case on the young gentleman instead of telling me he annoys you. I haven't heard anything from you that convinces me even a little. xscsk: provide a case on your top scum read(s). I almost want to join the wagon on you just for calling your lynch a mislynch and vanishing. Come back and do something. EZ: I'd love to hear your conclusions after having reread the thread. JX: why is Vivax scum? I'm not sure I see it. Vivax: why is JX scum? I'm not sure I see it. Djo: I guess you are town? Until more blues flip I'm sticking with that read. Please do something with your semi onfirmed status besides antagonizing EZ. Yamato: please step up your activity. You have, for the second time in as many minis, taken the miller role and used being 'confirmed town' to be useless to town. | ||
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EZ: I'm not set-up expert but every normal c9++ set up I've seen recently has three scum and many have an sk (it should be 50 percent but I've seen a lot of sks). We have some blues. Based on the Roleblocker flipping we at least three letters of blues. Both miller and one shot vig are one letter roles so we have a minimum of one more blue. The only c9++ I've seen with more than about four blues was yours Bugs. (why are you asking this? You know set-ups) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + WAT!? | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: In order sharrent>JX>Hapa/yam>djo (???) but now that you have replaced Haps he is out, I'm very wary of Yam/Djo but because of their claims I won't be pushing them for lynch. I prefer the noose on shar's neck to JX's. According to my notes though Shar said something really dumb that I thought might point towards him being town. I'm going to reread his filter and see what I can see. I think I'll be voting one of these two today. I still don't like lynching xscsk, his mentality is right. | ||
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Okay, you have scumthrawn on your team. Scum thrawn lurks even more than usual. A lot of people in the game know thrawn (me, Hapa and Imp especially, I think all three of us are town and I'm sure that at least one of the two of them is) the only solution when scumthrawn plays scum like that is to bus his ass to kingdom come. If I was scum with him I'd have the first vote on him. I'd be pushing him to exclusion of all else. Thrawn needed to die for scum to have a chance. The longer he was around the worse position they were in, I'd bet a good part of the latter half of day one he was around but not posting because we were so set on lynching him. | ||
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Vivax: one shot or multi? I'm trying to figure out set-up | ||
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Look: either Vivax is scum fake-claiming to have a reason he is town later (and X is town) or Vivax is actually cop and checked X who came back green. We do not lynch X until one more mafia has flipped if that mafia is not GF we look at X again. | ||
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Yamato claimed miller [M] Djo claimed Vig [V] Vivax claimed cop [C] (theoretically if he is multi shot cop this is CC but I'm sticking to one C for now) Thrawn flipped Roleblocker which means 4T maximum. If no other blues exist this means in a normal C9++ setup we'd have two goons and no sk. However Toad has not created a totally normal c9++ so draw your own conclusions. | ||
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On January 28 2013 18:56 Promethelax wrote: I don't disagree about shar, I simply think we need to make djo confirm and pin down his target to us as a whole so that he cannot, tomorrow, say 'oh yeah I shot X instead of Y' in case of fake claims/djo scum/whatever. Djo needs to use his shot like a lynch since he had the stupidity (if town) to claim during night. Djo doesn't get to use his shot how he wants to, he gets to hit the guy most people think is scum. That guy is Ghost. Or at least Supersoft/VE/me all had him as scum and there aren't many others whose opinions I'd listen to in this game. + Show Spoiler [c9++ for JX] + http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B VE: look who that idea exonerates: Shar, Ghost and Hapa. Shar has a town read on ghost and is therefore a wonderful lynch candidate tomorrow. Ghost needs to be shot tonight though. inside the spoiler labeled: c9++ for JX | ||
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I'm not comfortable policy lynching him when there is a good (read:townie) explanation for his claim. Djo's is still worse. | ||
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On January 30 2013 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote: VE-VE-VE-VOTECOUNT: yamato77 ( 1 ): Sharrant ( 2 ): yamato77, Xsksc ( 2 ): Iamperfection, jaybrundage ( 2 ): EmileZola, With 11 people alive it takes 6 to lynch someone. your math is questionable. | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:04 iamperfection wrote: however one thing i do remember about hapa that made me think he was town is that he was a tiny bit suspicions of me. Scum hapa would know by now that it is suicidal for him to go after me in any way considering are history. This, he also tried to figure out what was going on and clearly had some issues with what I was saying. I think after last game he would go for a different target since I had him figured out before he got me killed but wasn't back in the thread to push him. He mentioned something to me in PMs about how he only went for me because he knew I was going to be AFK. | ||
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On January 30 2013 19:32 JieXian wrote: If not for the miller claim we might be all over Yamato because he has only 2 pages of filter, like Sharrant. Problem is, Prom claims he had played like this before (uninvolved) as miller so he's in the same safe boat as Djo atm. Wow wows wow, no. Sorry I'm just catching up and running off to school but this is really wrong. I said Yamato had wasted being miller before. It was in yet another normal mini afoa of you want to look it up. He was highly involved but spent the whole time tunnelling townies and failing to understand basic logic. He was HIGHLY involved in the thread though and played totally differently than he is doing here. Go look at his filter from that game. | ||
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##Vote: Jay SS, you talked about a mass claim earlier, why do you think that is good and why did you suggest it but not follow it up? | ||
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Imp, why are you so sure jay will be a mislynch? | ||
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You have given indirect town reads on me, djo, Vivax,imp and Shar. Are djo and Viv based solely on their claims? If so why are they less scummy than Yamato? | ||
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## vote jay C'mon guys. Lets lynch. We clearly aren't consolidating on anyone else. | ||
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Moc: c'mon and show me how townie you are or possibly how scummy you are, I'll accept either. You replace into this game with a green check on you though, if you use that to do nothing I will policy lynch you forever <3. Yam: how is your sharrent tunnel? warm? Bugs, how sure are you that two scum are in the three people left in your list? | ||
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Imp, why do you feel xscsk (not Moc) is the scummiest even with a green check on him? when has it ever been a good idea to lynch a green check. hell, lets play everyone's favourite djo game, you have a gun in your hands: who do you shoot tonight and why? | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:00 iamperfection wrote: do you have a point to your line of questioning or do you plan on wasting everyone's time? You tried to push the lynch onto a greencheck, you followed that up by saying you would kill JX over that guy. I want to know why because I want to know if you are town or scum. Answer. | ||
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I thought I did for a while. Not as sure as I once was. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote: I'd much rather have the medic protect Djobro. I'm altruistic didn't you know that. I'm also serious about this. Don't protect me tonight. Or do what you want, scum won't know what's up. I will personally murder a medic who protects djo. Clear? Good. Imp, you'll see. | ||
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Sharrent: town-claim as pointed out by wbg/ss EZ: logs about reads, ideas and total play. If he is scum I deserve to lose. Imp: first vote on thrawn very similar to his usual town meta, my only qualm on this is that if I were scum with thrawn I'd have voted him as soon as possible and pushed his ass forever. xscsk/Mocsta: green check, also as I said before his enthusiasm and general openness. Vivax: DT claim Yamato: miller claim Djo: Vig claim (I have my serious doubts though) JX: his interactions with me, he has just seemed 'right' if you understand me Me: I got my role pm who am I wrong on and why? | ||
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If you are checking me tonight could you not? I'd like you to get a red check instead of another green check and I'm 100% confident of my ability to not be lynched as opposed to JX if he is town. What I'm saying is a check on me is a hilarious waste. | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:51 Djodref wrote: Man, the last time I've seen players who were worried about the possibility that I was a SK too much they were scum (Dandel and Cheese in the newbie XXVIII). Why should we lynch someone who is confirmed 100% not mafia ? Please explain this now ! I will explain after the deadline or my flip will. You'll see. | ||
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##Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: Sharrent | ||
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Umm yeah, I am the Vig If you want my piles of breadcrumbs and obvious slips during my conversation with djo when he claimed I can show you. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:08 Promethelax wrote: Okay, lets set some ground rules, no one tries to lynch Marv d1 unless Hapa, me and VE all agree about him being scum. We're the three who know him well in this group. A corollary is that we will lynch him in lylo no matter what. If he is town and scum want to take the risk of letting him live that long we can make that trade. Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini. We believe in capital punishment in this town. xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? me saying I can kill people On January 26 2013 11:46 Promethelax wrote: Work still slow: I expect you and Marv to know I am town. If you are town because you read me right and if scum because you won't be dumb enough to read me wrong. Doesn't matter if you are town or scum I expect both of you to, within the first few days (if we are all alive) to be treating me like confirmed town. Xsksc: look at lviii for a game where everyone had Vivax as a super town read even though he was scum. Don't be too sure of yourself based on his spotlight love. You know those Italians, they love attention (is that a real stereotype or did I just make it up?) treating me like confirmed town: my role is self confirming On January 28 2013 15:46 Promethelax wrote: Two vigis is possible with three V rolls. Though in regular c9++ that would be a single shot and multi shot but single shot is the only possibility in OP. Rest of thread, thoughts, would a vig counter claim out djo as scum/sk fake claiming? in response to Djo's claim. As you can see I sat down and thought about it, why didn't I counter claim? 1) it was night and no way was I counter claiming 2) two vig set-ups are possible On January 28 2013 15:59 Promethelax wrote: Yeah set up mind fucked me right now. VE: I ask you to look for scum/sk play in djo. His claim makes no sense. He will not shoot you if he wants to live so don't worry unduly about it. I'm most interested in your thoughts out of everyone in this thread. There are very few townies in this game whose opinion I care to hear. On January 28 2013 17:49 Promethelax wrote: Yeah okay, I've settled my inner demons. Djo: shoot ghost. Don't wifom about it. Don't think about it. Shoot ghost. If I had a bullet to shoot tonight it would be at him. On January 29 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: In order sharrent>JX>Hapa/yam>djo (???) because of his claim I have djo with a lot of question marks. I'm really unsure of him. + Show Spoiler [When I realized vivax was one-shot] + On January 30 2013 08:43 Promethelax wrote: No, bugs, you aren't thinking. You are letting your anger at his play cloud your analytical skills. I can't spell it out for you because if I am right revealing it in thread is bad. Just sit back and think for a second before you get mad. Vivax's inflated sense of self-worth not withstanding there is a good reason for anyone to have claimed the way he did. Think about his role, his abilities and his check. I'm not comfortable policy lynching him when there is a good (read:townie) explanation for his claim. Djo's is still worse. On January 31 2013 05:55 Promethelax wrote: okay, so Supes can you explain your mass claim plan? what you were hoping to gain from it and why you haven't followed up on it. obsession with mass claim is because I had something to claim On January 31 2013 07:06 Promethelax wrote: What I'm saying is Yamato is on my shot list despite the miller claim. Imp, why are you so sure jay will be a mislynch? this is when I was thinking of shooting Yamato. In fact it was down to him/sharrent today this is also why I was bitching at Vivax not to ccheck me, if he was an idiot and actually a multi-shot cop his check on me would be useless because it would still be either vig or sk for me so his green return wouldn't mean anything. anyways that is the basic summery. A bunch more stuff around the djo claim and around this night deadline too though. Feel free to find it yourself. | ||
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On February 01 2013 08:26 Djodref wrote: @ Prom Could you tell me why you asked me this question ? because if you said multi shot I was going to lynch you there and than for being the serial killer. | ||
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On February 01 2013 08:22 Vivax wrote: Prom, you're 1-shot yes? unless you want me to tell you I'm sk I only have one answer to this question. But yes, I am single shot. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:18 Mocsta wrote: hmm the *only* problem I have with Vivax is an issue EZ rose before being killed. Why would scum kill EZ instead of DT? *This same problem just arose its head in Mafia LIX as well* Do I need to give you the step by step of why his claim could only have come from a one-shot dt? I'm quite willing to do so but I thought you weren't an idiot so I bet you can figure it out. I mentioned it to Bugs in passing and tried not to make it too obvious but assuming Vivax is not retarded (which he really isn't, he is over confident but that is his only problem) his claim could not have come from a multi-shot dt. Assuming scum team is not retarded they noticed the same things I noticed. The way things stand: Djo VIG/SK (impossible to be scum) Me Vig (impossible to be scum) Imp IC or playing the game of his life as scum Vivax dt slips Mocsta VT/GF Yamato Miller/Goon JX ain't got shit we should be able to win by lynching down the line of Yam>JX>Mocsta the only way we lose really is if djo is SK and we kinda just have to hope on this one. We have two lynches left or three if we hit at least one scum in the first two. We need to lynch Yamato. I was waffling on my shot last night between Yam and Shar. Super had Yam as his highest scum read. The last minute Yam push on the day Jay got lynched should have happened. yamato is scum. I've tried to get him to fight with me a lot this game going so far as to actually say "you wanna fight?" and his has been diplomatic and shitty. He hasn't contributed to town anything where he usually does something he thinks is useful. Here he hasn't even done that. Its time to forget the unverified claims and lynch the guys who are scummiest for their behaviour. ##Vote: yamato | ||
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if we're at VVMC (which I doubt) we'd theoretically have TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer but if we have a serial killer we're only at VMC which has TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker in all likelyhood this set-up is VVC vs. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker so final set-up would be 2 one shot vigs 1 one shot cop 7 VTs vs 2 goons 1RB which means Moc is confirmed town if yamato flips scum. We obviously have no doc because anyone not protecting EZ last night is a fucking retard. EZ was the only scum shot in this town and he/they were obvious townies. | ||
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I can almost guarantee that I'll be shot next. I am 100% not mafia and I have the most following of anyone in this game. I am more innocent than Imp for once and he could still theoretically be pushed as a lynch while I can't until all the scum are dead. If all the scum are dead and we're still playing you need to look at everyone again. If I was sk and two town viggies had shot N1 and N2 I would hold my shot and wait til lylo. So don't auto-lynch djo on the assumption he is the sk in 2-1 if all scum have been eliminated. Make sure to think about it. DO NOT TRUST THE SETUP SPECULATION TOO MUCH. This is not a totally normal C9++ according to toad. | ||
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Look at dessert where on day two or three the scum knew there was no medic based on the mason flip and dt flip and their own set-up | ||
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Imp, you are not set-up confirmed. Sucks to be you (HAHAHAHA its you and not me for once) | ||
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Or you could reread and help me find the last mafia. | ||
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JX why are you just sheeping me this game? I hate sheeps and people who buddy me. I'm not good enough to be steeped and I'm to good to be buddied. Imp, you wanna show you ar e town? You keep saying you are a nerfed IC but somehow I'm not seeing it this game. You stopped trying to figure things out. Which is how people know you are town and how they should know I am town. You are spending your time saying you are town instead of being town. Remember who did that first? | ||
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Last scum probably JX, 26 hours gone too long for town. I expect to die tonight. EZ: how you like it? You pushed a town lynch while I pushed scum lynch. Boom! If I can ill try to find serial killer tomorro, if there is one its the only way we could lose. Vivax, I wanna know what you think of things. | ||
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IGNORE ALL SET-UP SPECULATION a 'nerfed town' could mean anything. And all of you saying scum could have a different set-up (+GF ,-goon for instance) are idiots. It was not a buffed scum team but a nerfed town. Which means we lost roles or our roles were made all one shot (which they were). It is time to look for scum and stop set-up speculating. JX is last scum. His claim is shit. 1-shot cops claim when they get a check. Doesn't matter what the check is because you are useless to town. Only reason to not share the check is if you are insane, like vivax. Only reason to not share that you are one-shot cop is to try to get mafia to shoot you/waste RB on you by claiming as cop, this is what vivax did and it was fine play (though it didn't work). Additionally there is only one person pushing me as SK in this game, Yamato. Look at that connection. Even djo the 'other' town vig thinks I am town. No way is JX town. ##Vote: JX | ||
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Moc, you are double cleared because if scum hit a BP sk there are no alignment changing roles left in the game. What is interesting is that scum, if they hit sk, know that I am town and not sk. However JX is choosing to suggest that I am. I think scum has given up and just wants town to lose? I'm not really sure. If scum shot BP sk who would they have shot at? Me? Well they didn't or I'd be dead but I think I was the best shot. Djo? I guess if they already thought I was the sk this would make more sense and Yamato clearly (said) that he thought I was sk. Vivax? possible I guess though me/djo are way better targets unless JX just can't decide which of us is sk which is town so he goes for the other set-up confirmed town. Imp? hells no, he was a better mislynch than anyone left Mocsta? maaaaaaaaaaaybe, but that would be a shit kill for mafia. They need the stronger townies dead and, no offense little buddy, you aren't one. JX? lololol I wish eh, we'll see if game is over after JX flips scum. After that I'll be up for an sk hunt. | ||
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## Vote 24 day cycle | ||
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I'm not sure what you implying. You have a small penis? I'm sorry man. | ||
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concede! Why would Vivax checking you and calling you town be a scum claim? I still don't understand the logic. Except that you would have returned red. | ||
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C = 1-Shot Cop CC = Cop CCC = Cop, 1-Shot Cop CCCC = 2 Cops CCCCC = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop CCCCCC = 3 Cops maximum of one 1-shot cop. | ||
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On February 04 2013 18:50 JieXian wrote: Guys, based on Toad's I "nerfed town" post, we can be certain that there is something more to this game than we had imagined. I spent time talking about the setup because I found out that you are most probably wrong. I'm sorry but I don't plan to sit on my ass if I think that we are heading in the wrong direction. I can expand on iamp very easily. Mochsta showed me another side of iamp that I missed. His last 2 pages of filter shows he isn't doing anything the past day trolling and rejoicing, much more so than you. If you aren't SK there might be a GF left but we should address the SK issue later. I'm blue. If he claims I'm green he obviously didn't check me as a DT. hurrr durrr I don't know how the role I am pretending to have works. | ||
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[spoiler]You are a Cop! Once per night, you may investigate a player by PMing the hosts with ##investigate: Player. Your investigation will either return Town or Scum cop checks don't come back blue. Concede scum. | ||
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On February 04 2013 19:01 Promethelax wrote: In case my above point wasn't clear I bring you this from the OP: ]You are a Cop! Once per night, you may investigate a player by PMing the hosts with ##investigate: Player. Your investigation will either return Town or Scum cop checks don't come back blue. Concede scum. JX, address this point. | ||
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Why are you so scum? | ||
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On February 04 2013 19:12 JieXian wrote: Meaning I claimed green from Sharrant. A blue claim from Sharrant would be a dead tell. I've bolded the scummy things in this post to help you improve next time you roll scum. | ||
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why so sure there is an after the lynch? | ||
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multiple one-shot cops are possible. According to Toad. | ||
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sk shooting VE and EZ makes some sense, those are shots I'd have made as sk. But both of them in a row? Totally randomly? Seems unlikely, though I guess he could have held his shot n1 (best choice) and doublestacked EZ with scum n2. | ||
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On February 05 2013 05:01 syllogism wrote: Posting screenshots of your spreadsheet is also pretty questionable and asking for someone else to do that definitely is something both Bugs and Toad do every game. Hydras posting logs was super OP, I already ahd them as town in a hard way but they were essentially confirmed town. Especially when Toad told them to stop. Since it was obvious their logs were real. | ||
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On February 05 2013 05:04 wherebugsgo wrote: Posting spreadsheets is not questionable, if a player is willing to do it as town then they'd be willing to do it as scum too. not true :p ha, well most games. I see you guys do it much more than anyone else. | ||
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Toad and I were talking about how town favoured the mafia scum set-ups seem to TL players. Do you think that is because level of town play is higher on TL or scum lower? As someone who never played on mafiascum I'm curious how their towns and scum teams rate against ours. Do set-ups need to be balanced for the forum they are on or is there some magic balance which will be good no matter the players? | ||
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I haven't seen medics>JKs in a game in forever. Kind of like how I never see innocent children on TL(except once, when sloosh was IC. Maybe iGrok's good clean old fashioned mini mafia?). I like JK much better because, as you say, follow the cop is broken (and very boring). I also like that scum can fake claim miller, as marv did here. Much more interesting than IC which is just a wasted kp. Bugs aren't you running the upcoming 16p mini? I like your move away from c9++, too many randoms (myself included) understand the set-up fully and try to break it instead of trying to find scum. I personally plan to never use c9++ ever again simply because it is too easy to solve. I like the semi-open nature and wide range of possibilities but I think I'll tailor make my own set-ups to avoid the dangers of a c9 savvy town beating the set-up instead of the scum team. | ||
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On February 05 2013 06:51 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah I am running the upcoming mini. However I've never run into a setup-breaking problem when I run c9++ because I never publicized the RNG I use :p I gave it to marv I believe but he only used it once (and I changed it since then too) The last C9++ I ran, the town tried to break the setup and failed horribly IIRC. They wasted tons of time and lost. I remember... | ||
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