I don't want to play two games at once, but I'm seriously tempted ^^
I like the setup already but we need moar information on it !
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I don't want to play two games at once, but I'm seriously tempted ^^ I like the setup already but we need moar information on it ! | ||
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No more replacement, I want /in | ||
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wooo, player list is stacked ! I don't know Sharrant and the xscxsxscsck guy. Anyone could enlighten me ? I hope syllo could join as well ^^ Honestly told, I don't want to roll mafia with such a roster But I'll do my best anyway ! Also I just got killed day 1 as town so I'm really pumped ! I just hope it was a mafia shot >.< | ||
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They should definitively claim right off the bat if they are self aware ^^ | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:27 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 11:40 Djodref wrote: wooo, player list is stacked ! I don't know Sharrant and the xscxsxscsck guy. Anyone could enlighten me ? I'll be very surprised if I ever play in a game where my name isn't misspelled at least 50 times. ^_^ I played a bit from October '11 till last summer but I haven't played since then, too busy. D: Okay, nice to meet you then. You can find all my previous game in my profile if you need to And we should form a club of people whose name is getting misspelled | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:49 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 19:47 Djodref wrote: Are the millers self aware ? They should definitively claim right off the bat if they are self aware ^^ what about non self aware millers They should claim as well, but miller are usually aware in C9++ setups. They are supposed to be soft blue roles | ||
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On January 24 2013 00:51 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol I understand ICs now, but TL never uses ICs. What are ICs exactly? Show nested quote + Town Innocent Child At the start of Day 1, the moderator of the game will announce you as an Innocent Child, confirming you as town. selfaware millers are somewhat like that in C9++ with the knowledge of the set-up, just that it's not modconfirmed and counter- and fakeclaimable. I would like to add that the probability to have a miller in a classic C9++ game is roughly of 40%. And there is never two millers, except if you run a weird, unorthodox, bad setup like marv and wbg do. So fakeclaiming miller is quite risky for a mafia player ^^ Regarding miller claims, you should do the following imo:
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So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup. M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled. Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled. MXXXXXX XMXXXXX XXMXXXX XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10) XXXXMXX XXXXXMX XXXXXXM There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087 The probability is so roughly of 37% So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup. You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3 so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ?? That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:11 Dandel Ion wrote: But it should be impossible to get 2 millers, right? You can at least only ever get 1 IC afair. Also when I (badly) mathed it, I got the (probably wrong) result of a 37.7% chance of getting a miller out of it. NOT THAT IT MATTERS You can have two millers, it's just incredibly improbable, and I guess that the host rolls the setup again in that case You have then MMMMXXX or anything looking alike. How did you get 37.7% ? It's close to what I have but not exactly the same. I'm confused now. Shit, I even think I got 37.7% when I computed it in Mario Mini... | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:17 Mocsta wrote: Your wrong Seriously ? Don't troll me, I take this kind of things seriously, and I need to go to bed soon, I don't want to think that I could have made a mistake here. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:18 Mocsta wrote: Wrong because setup speculation is scum talk Djo (you know that personally!!) and mason is a town role !!! You know, I was actually solving the game for them at that time ^^ | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:20 Mocsta wrote: If only I could have that type of wit in a live game I think you should just follow my advice concerning self-aware masons in C9++ games Then you'll be fine. Maybe you could check this page (clicky) to have an idea of how many blue roles are expected to be in the game given the mafia flips ^^ | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values. ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC. So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics) afaik, afaik. Oh, yeah, you are right. I didn't remember the setups correctly. Two millers is strictly impossible then, I'll edit my previous message ^^ | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 02:33 Djodref wrote: On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values. ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC. So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics) afaik, afaik. Oh, yeah, you are right. I didn't remember the setups correctly. Two millers is strictly impossible then, I'll edit my previous message ^^ In the C9 modified setup me and bugs use, 2 millers is possible Noooooooooooooooooo | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values. ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC. So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics) afaik, afaik. You sure you get 0.7% for the triple M ? | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:49 marvellosity wrote: this is why it's terrible to speculate on setup when it's already known in OP it's altered. you can't presume to know about the makeup of blues/mafia/SK unless you know exactly what it's based on (see rock band where i clarified multiple times to be sure) the only thing you can get is general ideas. more goons = less blues, etc. and there's likely to always be a roleblocker. That's why I really like Keir games, at least you know exactly how the setup has been rolled. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:52 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 02:48 Djodref wrote: On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values. ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC. So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics) afaik, afaik. You sure you get 0.7% for the triple M ? no not at all Could you review my precedent post ? I've edited it and I got ~2.3% for the triple M. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:58 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 02:53 Djodref wrote: On January 24 2013 02:52 Dandel Ion wrote: On January 24 2013 02:48 Djodref wrote: On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote: It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values. ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC. So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics) afaik, afaik. You sure you get 0.7% for the triple M ? no not at all Could you review my precedent post ? I've edited it and I got ~2.3% for the triple M. no I hate math. It's the work of the devil. It also doesn't matter. At all. Come on ! You are going to know exactly the risk you are going to take the next time you would like to claim miller as mafia in a C9++ game ! | ||
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T'es vraiment francais ? If you are a new player, it might not be the best game to register into... | ||
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On January 25 2013 22:49 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2013 21:20 xsksc wrote: I'm glad we didn't start yesterday as well, I just had a root canal done. Really like the euro friendly deadline. <3 how much you pay? i just got one and it killed my wallet after the cap im going to pay like 2500. wat | ||
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On January 25 2013 23:40 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2013 23:39 Djodref wrote: On January 25 2013 22:49 iamperfection wrote: On January 25 2013 21:20 xsksc wrote: I'm glad we didn't start yesterday as well, I just had a root canal done. Really like the euro friendly deadline. <3 how much you pay? i just got one and it killed my wallet after the cap im going to pay like 2500. wat wat is there to be confused about I don't know, it's just so costly :o I've paid a little less than 200 (dollars) here in Korea to get one done and I guess it would be around the same amount in France. | ||
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On January 25 2013 23:42 Dandel Ion wrote: But the French people. Oh god. The horror. Yeah, it's a nice country but too many assholes. That's maybe why I live in South Korea. Not saying South Korea is heaven on earth. Work culture is similar to hell here ^^ There is good and bad in every country I guess to xsksc: Internet is quite good and cheap in France | ||
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On January 25 2013 23:51 Dandel Ion wrote: In my country, being happy is a sin. Your soul belongs to the church. I've been on holidays in Austria one summer. I don't remember having seen the sun It was the same when I went to Ireland in my teenage years for a language exchange trip in July by the way ^^ | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:19 Vivax wrote: Hi. Going to be trying to play this game in a different way. I'll be coming some time in before deadline to drop huge analysis posts. I'll try to keep interactions with others to a minimum. Time to party for you! Do you wish to roll scum ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:44 JieXian wrote: Well we have more sunshine and better and cheaper food than any of you. Definitely better than Singapore's Too bad our currency is peanuts I trust you for the sunshine Food I'm not going to concede ^^ | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote: Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? Hello guys ! So, first things first, I didn't like this xsksc post. "Your attacks are a bit odd" doesn't tell anything about his read on Vivax and shows that he didn't try to see if Vivax was honest or not with his early posts. The part where he says "I'm going to look at your previous game" is also bad, because you don't need to announce it in the thread. Just checking the player profile by yourself and you can find his previous games. I'm suspicious of xsksc because of this post. I'm inclined to trust Marv when he claimed miller. As I explained pre-game, a fakeclaim is quite a risky move from the mafia. I'm not going to worry about him except if he takes the backseat around D3 and is still here at MYLO or LYLO, if we even go there. Regardless, I'd like to address this message to potential masons. Don't forget that you can soft counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. Consider outing one member of your mason pair to "soft counter" marv's claim. | ||
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I didn't like his joke as well. On January 26 2013 09:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd like all non self aware millers to claim His joke in Hero Mini Mafia was a useful and light-hearten joke. Useful because it provoked reactions and light-hearten because he didn't care how he was going to like like after a fakeclaim. This joke is a reminder of what he did in Hero, and I see it as a soft-town claim, which could be mafia motivated. Like, "hey guys, I'm behaving like in this game where I was town ! What gives ?". | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:19 Promethelax wrote: Just checking in from work since things are slow. Masons: do not counter claim Marv. A miller is just as likely if we have masons or not. Djo, the fuck are you thinking? lol, do you really want me to start to speculate about the setup ? The bolded part in your post is just plain wrong. In a classic C9++ game, the probability to have a mason pair and a miller is of 2.3%. I did the math here in the pregame. So, yeah, you can "soft" counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. + Show Spoiler [BEWARE, math incoming] + On January 24 2013 02:13 Djodref wrote: Two millers are usually not possible, and you have one miller when you have exactly one M or exactly 3 Ms in the setup. So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup. M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled. Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled. MXXXXXX XMXXXXX XXMXXXX XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10) XXXXMXX XXXXXMX XXXXXXM There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087 The probability is so roughly of 37% So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup. You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3 so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ?? That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote: Hey djo, regarding the usage of odd, well, I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself so you can read my replies to Hapa. I don't think there's a problem with announcing you'll be reading someone's game. Even if you think it's unnecessary, would you say it's a "scummy" thing to announce? Vivax himself does it the very next post. Are you equally suspicious of him? I think it's slightly scummy to announce it. Also it's a bad move when you re town, because scum can adapt his meta in the meantime. So it's better to check it first by yourself anyway. I just picked up the post that rubbed me the wrong way when I was catching up with the game. Vivax apparently tried to check your profile before asking you the question, so the situation is different. Also Vivax is starting this game in a very attention-whorey way, so I don't think I should worry about him yet. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:32 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 11:19 Promethelax wrote: Just checking in from work since things are slow. Masons: do not counter claim Marv. A miller is just as likely if we have masons or not. Djo, the fuck are you thinking? lol, do you really want me to start to speculate about the setup ? The bolded part in your post is just plain wrong. In a classic C9++ game, the probability to have a mason pair and a miller is of 2.3%. I did the math here in the pregame. So, yeah, you can "soft" counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. + Show Spoiler [BEWARE, math incoming] + On January 24 2013 02:13 Djodref wrote: Two millers are usually not possible, and you have one miller when you have exactly one M or exactly 3 Ms in the setup. So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup. M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled. Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled. MXXXXXX XMXXXXX XXMXXXX XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10) XXXXMXX XXXXXMX XXXXXXM There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087 The probability is so roughly of 37% So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup. You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3 so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ?? That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess. But listen, probability of the set up existing are not the same as ability to counter claim. It's about math (statistics) and I don't really want to get into it but you are just as likely to have a miller in a set up with or without masons. I guess you are talking about conditional probabilities. From the mason point of view. I think you are right, my bad. | ||
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Can you quote me the "cases" you are talking about ? I disagree with your usage of semantics, and I'm interested to know what you call "cases" and what exactly you are referring to. | ||
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On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote: For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case. Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ? #1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is. #2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next. Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over. I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking. | ||
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On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Where did everyone go? I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote: For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case. Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ? #1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is. #2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next. Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over. I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking. Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier? Attacks would have been better There is no case against you. | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:04 Hapahauli wrote: @ Djo Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy. Here are the two reasons why I'm suspicious of xsksc. On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote: Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? This post where he announces that he is going to look into Vivax games. This post casts suspicion upon Vivax in an indirect way and I don't like the fact that he says he is going to look into Vivax games. It's very similar to what Adam posted in Hero Mini Mafia about thrawn (Palmar picked it up in his video). The second thing is his reference to cases that don't really exist in my eyes. Vivax arguments are quite weak and they don't constitute cases for me. So I find xsksc over defensive, which is commonly a scum trait. On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:34 Hapahauli wrote: On January 26 2013 11:05 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 10:55 Hapahauli wrote: To expand on that: "odd" is a purposeless term in mafia. No one cares if something is "odd," because it draws no conclusions about someone's allignment. This is especially true given how that quote is constructed: On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote: Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? First you say that there's no reason for you to think he's scum. Then you call his quote "odd" (which is purposeless and implies suspicion on Vivax). Then you backtrack on it, but then reverse course again promising to look into Vivax's filter (which implies suspicion on him again). There's a huge lack of coherence behind this statement of yours. What are your actual thoughts on Vivax? I said I don't see a good reason for him to be scum. I don't think someone making a bad case on me warrants me to turn around and label them scum, if there's nothing else in their filter to indicate so. His case lacked logic, that's all, and I prefer to actually do something constructive day one than defend myself against it. Still leaning town on him. You may be more familiar with him, what do you think? Standard Vivax? Ignore the "standard Vivax" stuff. What would you think of his play independent of his history? He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention. | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:19 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 13:12 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote: For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case. Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ? #1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is. #2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next. Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over. I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking. Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier? Attacks would have been better There is no case against you. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote: I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself + Show Spoiler + Case : A set of reasons or supporting facts; an argument. Why. Does. It. Matter? Can you actually answer me that? Because it seems like you take seriously Vivax accusations against you when they are weak. | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:30 xsksc wrote: Wait, what? I know they are weak. That doesn't suddenly change the definition of it. I acknowledge here that it's poorly thought out. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote: He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention. Why does a case stop being a case when it's weak? That's completely devoid of logic. Are you saying it's only a case when it has merit? Wtf, lol. Ok, let's not argue about semantics anymore. They were weak attacks, and the fact that you are referencing them as a case has worried me. Let's drop this point for now. What about previous Vivax games ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:39 xsksc wrote: Yes, I skim-read I can't believe it's not themed mini. He got lynched day1 but this was in July so there's a good chance he's a lot better by now. Going to give lviii a read if I have time later. I'm basing my leaning-town read on him on the events that happened so far this game though - not on meta. Why did you ask for his previous town games then ? Was your previous argument to derive a town read on Vivax not already valid at that point ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:55 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 13:41 xsksc wrote: Hapa, you still here? What do you think of Djodref? Nothing significant with Djo yet. His suspicions on you are silly, but that's all I've gathered so far. Come on, you didn't like the very post I didn't like. You are being silly right now | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:42 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 13:41 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 13:39 xsksc wrote: Yes, I skim-read I can't believe it's not themed mini. He got lynched day1 but this was in July so there's a good chance he's a lot better by now. Going to give lviii a read if I have time later. I'm basing my leaning-town read on him on the events that happened so far this game though - not on meta. Why did you ask for his previous town games then ? Was your previous argument to derive a town read on Vivax not already valid at that point ? Because I heard people talking about his "style" or whatever and I wanted to check out what he's known for. Doesn't hurt to get a little background info on players I haven't met before. Ok, fair enough. I'll drop you for now ^^ | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: SCUM SLIPS ARE REAL! THEY'RE REAL IAM @ VE What do you make of iamp, Hapa and Prome wrt the "scumslip” ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:11 Promethelax wrote: I'm at work. Which makes things hard, though I guess I'm not really an American. Hapa, I figured you were good enough to figure it out, the only times you've called me scum when we were both town was in newbies. In chrono you and I omgus'd a lot but I don't feel like you ever seriously thought I was scum. Lets just say that I'm confident that you know me well enough to figure it out. You said yourself you'd never have voted me I. Our most recent game if you were town. Djo, who are you actually suspicious of? Or is this weird stuff with xsksc actually you thinking he is scummy? Thrawn, I want to hear more from you. You and Marv have both been oddly quiet, Marv I want more from you too. @ Prom I think I went overboard with xsksc. His reactions have been fine and I didn't find anything else in his filter. I'm concerned the most by thrawn inactivity right now. | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:18 Promethelax wrote: Which of the active players are you worried about being scum? You mean active right now ? I'm not worried about you. I'm not worried about xsksc anymore. I'll check Hapa later. For the rest, I think VE could be scum. And thrawn of course. | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:18 Promethelax wrote: JX also hasn't posted and its afternoon for the little spam monster. Ghost is American and I dunno where the smurf is from for real. I honestly doubt sharrent will even post, I had to replace for him in LC and I doubt things have changed. We will see though. I too am worried by Tfunk. I look forward to something from him, . Jx was much less spammy in LIX and he is a lynch bait anyway. I'll be worried if I don't find him scummy | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here...was playing GoMe I'm town HURRAY! Marv Miller? :/ This post and this post also On January 26 2013 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: SCUM SLIPS ARE REAL! THEY'RE REAL IAM They remind me of Hero Mini Mafia. I'm on phone now but I'll try to find the quotes later. | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:23 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 14:11 Promethelax wrote: ... Hapa, I figured you were good enough to figure it out, the only times you've called me scum when we were both town was in newbies. In chrono you and I omgus'd a lot but I don't feel like you ever seriously thought I was scum. Lets just say that I'm confident that you know me well enough to figure it out. You said yourself you'd never have voted me I. Our most recent game if you were town. ... I called you scum for like half of the game in CT mafia. So ? What do you make of his apparent confidence now ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:30 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 14:18 Promethelax wrote: Which of the active players are you worried about being scum? Djodref but that's just a gut read and I have nothing solid. I like what I've seen from Hapa atm. Do you mind expanding on your gut read ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 14:36 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 14:33 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 14:30 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 14:18 Promethelax wrote: Which of the active players are you worried about being scum? Djodref but that's just a gut read and I have nothing solid. I like what I've seen from Hapa atm. Do you mind expanding on your gut read ? I said I have nothing solid, its just a gut reaction to your posting so far. It is surely because I'm French then I usually get this kind of reaction the first time. | ||
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If you know that marv is a good mafia player, why do you think he would need to claim miler as mafia ? Why would he take this risk when he is good wnough for not taking it. He is not confirmed town but I don't thi.k we should concentrate on this claim too much, rather analizing his play for what it is. Do you have any other thoughts to share ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 09:47 iamperfection wrote: On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote: That's good news! Marv is on town's side! Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax was this a serious vote because if it is very weak Vivax been very posty after having an avenue to not be with his pre game post. I want to know if you actually think vivax is mafia when you get back. In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:28 iamperfection wrote: On January 26 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: iamp do you have any opinions on what's going on or do you plan to uselessly ask people if "they're serious" all game? Well if i told you how i think he would answer with regards to his alignment it would kind of defeat the purpose. It would kind of at that. ##Vote: iamperfection So iamp is scum because he asks people if their votes are serious ? Do you have other points speaking against iamp ? | ||
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On January 26 2013 19:20 Promethelax wrote: Djo, I think you missed the point of what VE was saying. Imp both 'pressured' me and gave me the answer to his pressure in the same post. VE says that there is no town motivation for doing so. Can you confirm I read that right VE? Also, JX appeared, said a lot of fluff and vanished. Congratulations JX. you earned yourself a medal. ## unvote. ##vote: JX Does it make iamp scum in your eyes ? Or at least the scummiest in the thread ? I'll wait for JieXian to return before commenting on your last vote. | ||
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On January 26 2013 20:04 Promethelax wrote: obviously that is assuming that marv is town, but we have no real reason to doubt that as of yet. Why so ? Marv is fucking inactive right now. He has done nothing else except claiming miller, so I understand JieXian saying that we shouldn't give him a free pass. From my point of view, the claim makes him more town than scum, but it may not be the case for everyone here. | ||
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Prome and JieXian, if you are around, I want to know what you think about VE so far, especially his entrance on the thread and his case and vote against iamp. | ||
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On January 26 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote: That could be potentially intresting. whomever replaces I want to know if your a miller or not. Hey ! what do you think of VE ? | ||
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On January 27 2013 00:20 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 23:59 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote: That could be potentially intresting. whomever replaces I want to know if your a miller or not. Hey ! what do you think of VE ? Very bleh so far I have taken him down quite a few pegs on my leader board of players that I think are good at this game due to his recent play. That being said I think his wrong case is more of an indication that he is town since scum should know better Don't you remember him go after Claritown in Hero Mini Mafia ? I think scum VE is more derpy than town VE | ||
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I want to lynch VE today. I don't have time to expand on it but I should have a case for tonight (in 8hours). If we cannot consolidate, thrawn is a good lynch for today due to his inactivity. ##Vote VE | ||
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On January 27 2013 01:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Noted. Djodref I'd like you to summarize your case against me if you really think I'm scum sir. Here are the reasons why I think VE is scum. First is his entrance post in the thread. Let's have a look at his latest entrance posts. Hero Mini Mafia -> scum On December 10 2012 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Gawrsh hi guys I'm town! ^^ TL LVIII -> town On January 03 2013 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi there guys. I am town. Here -> town On January 26 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here...was playing GoMe I'm town HURRAY! Marv Miller? :/ It's a matter of sobriety. As town, VE is much more sober than scum. For example, he likes to use Caps Lock, but he uses it more as scum than as town. For reference, you can compare his two filters in Hero Mini Mafia (clicky) and TL Mafia LVIII (also clicky). And why should he be exceptionally happy to be town ? It's not like his last town game was heaven on earth... One difference between VE town and scum games is also is activity. I'm not satisfied with VE activity so far. So I don't like this post at all. Him waiting for other players input as an excuse to do nothing. On January 26 2013 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool...well, I'm waiting on a response from Vivax and for the inactive players to put something down in black and sky-blue. I'm gonna go watch Ted with my wife. See y'all lata. I don't like this post as well, because it reminds me of a lot of posts like this in Hero Mini Mafia. On January 26 2013 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: SCUM SLIPS ARE REAL! THEY'RE REAL IAM One other difference between town VE and scum VE is that scum VE is much more derpy in his cases than town VE, at least in my eyes. So I think that his reason to vote iamp is weak, and thus makes him scum. It's not like iamp questions are always very precise and helpful in his town games. + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 09:47 iamperfection wrote: On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote: That's good news! Marv is on town's side! Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax was this a serious vote because if it is very weak Vivax been very posty after having an avenue to not be with his pre game post. I want to know if you actually think vivax is mafia when you get back. In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:28 iamperfection wrote: On January 26 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote: iamp do you have any opinions on what's going on or do you plan to uselessly ask people if "they're serious" all game? Well if i told you how i think he would answer with regards to his alignment it would kind of defeat the purpose. It would kind of at that. ##Vote: iamperfection One last thing is that the Mr. Zentor rule is similar to he Chezinu rule. The first guy to attack Mr. Zentor is mafia. I have no idea what to make of Emile so far, but statistically, he has more chances to be town than to be scum. So I find very strange that VE wants to policy-lynch him, especially on the basis of him being a troll. Mr. Zentor is readable and baits out mafia players (see WitchCraft and British Empire) so he is useful in his way. On January 27 2013 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 07:55 Hapahauli wrote: On January 27 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Hapahauli? Yeah I'm not lynching Hapahauli today.. Just putting that out there. I can easily lynch MrZ at this juncture. @Hapa I agree that in his first post he pointed out a weak vote. The problem I have is in his insistence that he answer the question "Are you serious about this vote?" after he explained that he thought it was scummy. It's asinine, the order is wrong to achieve what he's claiming is the intent. He would need the answer to "are you serious about this vote" BEFORE explaining what is weak about it in order to glean any kind of information from the question...and he does it TWICE. Why do you want to lynch MrZ? Is it because you think he's scum, or because you think he's a troll? As for the Iamp quotes, I think you're going waaaaaaay too deep into it. I still don't understand how ordering a question is scummy. Many people don't give too much thought to specific objectives when questioning people, and just prefer to confront bad logic. Because he's a troll. :| That's why I think VE is scum. And sorry for the delay, I was at a wedding today. | ||
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I think invoking "lynch a lurker" on thrawn is a good choice, because thrawn is usually very active as town and much less as scum. He avoided to contribute when he was here, made a joke and disappear. So I think the chances for him to flip scum are non negligible. Hopefully, we can go after a target which is going to offer us more information, but we are going to have a very short time to consolidate and discuss, and the votes are scattered a lot at the moment. tl;dr I would like us to lynch VE, but I'm going to consolidate on thrawn if needed. | ||
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On January 27 2013 20:43 Promethelax wrote: So guys, are scum slips real? If yes we lynch djo. Anyone who can tell me why gets a cookie. I'm not even scum :o | ||
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Except for the slip (I saw it now), what do you think of my case ? And I have nothing to say for it except that it is a slip. It happens to town and mafia players... | ||
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On January 27 2013 21:15 Promethelax wrote: Your case is crap. VE is an excitable player, one of the few who enjoys rolling scum (or so I'm told) so his posting levels are not alignment indicative. You tell me his posts remind you of ones in hero. I obsed that game as scum essentially (just talking to Marv, not in obs) so please point out his posts there and how they differ from posts in his town games. That was one of the worst cases I've ever seen. You managed to not say anything about VE's alignment that I found worth listening to. I have him as null and he stayed, firmly, null reading what you wrote. Go out and do your research right and we can talk again. Now go look at EZ's posts and tell me they do or do not seem to come from mr z. Come on, he was much less active as scum that as town in the last games he played. He was absent from Chrono, and it was almost the same in Hero Mini Mafia. It's easy to compare this to the length of his filter in LVIII. And he was also very inactive when he replaced Hiro in my scumteam in Looney Mini Mafia. I think activity is a good tell, even for him, but I admit it's not a strong tell because it's the week-end. What did you think of his case against iamp ? What is worth a vote ? | ||
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One liners with some trolly comments, it could be Mr. Zentor. Like these ones On January 27 2013 06:56 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 06:53 xsksc wrote: I'm inclined to agree with him actually Emile, your filter isn't doing you any favours. :| For you it's Mister Zola. On January 27 2013 09:28 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 07:07 Hapahauli wrote: Just to test things; @ EmileZola//MrZ Gimme a summary of our history from Witchcraft Mafia. Some verification would be cool. oh shit... history... Did we make out? On January 27 2013 10:22 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote: Okay Hapa, why do I have you as not scum right now? (Srsly) Mr Zola, could you tell us truthfully who you are please and thanks. Assume I know your deepest secret and that you shouldn't lie to me. I am Batman. And Mr. Zentor is really a mafia bait when he is town. | ||
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@ Emile Zola Would you like to lynch VE with me today ? | ||
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On January 27 2013 21:58 EmileZola wrote: the only thing Mrzentor and I have in common is the capital Z ok, but would you like lynch VE ? | ||
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Anyone wanting to lynch VE with me today ? | ||
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I don't think we should lynch one of the most vocal player day1. xsksc is reasonable and try to contribute in a constructive way. I'm slightly town on him, my first fight with him was quite silly, he provided good explanations for his posts. I don't like the fact that he wants to lynch Emile Zola though. Being anti-town doesn't make you automatically scum. Sharrant He is quite open with his thoughts for the moment. He is also consider thrawn lynch seriously and that makes him town in my eyes. I mean by this that it looks like he doesn't know thrawn alignment and wonders if he is going to be a good lynch or not. His points against Prome are not good enough to convince me, but reasonable. | ||
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Could you help me to lynch VE today ? Please explain why he is scum ! | ||
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What about VE ? Do you want to lynch him with me today ? | ||
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On January 27 2013 23:43 JieXian wrote: Nah but then again if he's mrz did choose a girl's name and could just be in character It's a guy name. Emile Zola is a great French writer from the 19th century. He is the father of the "naturalistes" in the French litterature | ||
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Please everyone tell me what you think of VE ! | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:52 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 06:43 iamperfection wrote: 3 stars for argo do we have enough votes yet to kill thrawn? Is that out of four or out of five? I thought it was an excellent movie. I'll be here from now until the lynch deadline, after that I'll be popping back in every so often. If anyone has any questions I'd be glad to answer. I will not move over to a Thrawn lynch though, I'm not comfortable with a lurker lynch when there's people I think are scummier. I would rather lynch Promethelax today, if I had to chose someone else it would probably be VisceraEyes, but I'd prefer to have him around another day to try and get a better read on him. I'm expecting Djodref to show up in the thread soon otherwise he'll be picking up traction in my mind as a suspect. I'm here and I'm ready to fight ? What do you want from me ? You cannot expect me to wake up exactly at 6am on Monday morning to play this game. Would I be scum if I miss my alarm clock ? @ ghost We need your case on VE. @ VE Sharrant was the resistance for thrawn lynch. You are not reading the thread properly. | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:20 Promethelax wrote: I don't want your town reads. I want your scum reads that aren't me, VE and thrawn. Who are you talking to ? Was this addressed to me ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:24 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 07:20 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 06:52 Sharrant wrote: On January 28 2013 06:43 iamperfection wrote: 3 stars for argo do we have enough votes yet to kill thrawn? Is that out of four or out of five? I thought it was an excellent movie. I'll be here from now until the lynch deadline, after that I'll be popping back in every so often. If anyone has any questions I'd be glad to answer. I will not move over to a Thrawn lynch though, I'm not comfortable with a lurker lynch when there's people I think are scummier. I would rather lynch Promethelax today, if I had to chose someone else it would probably be VisceraEyes, but I'd prefer to have him around another day to try and get a better read on him. I'm expecting Djodref to show up in the thread soon otherwise he'll be picking up traction in my mind as a suspect. I'm here and I'm ready to fight ? What do you want from me ? You cannot expect me to wake up exactly at 6am on Monday morning to play this game. Would I be scum if I miss my alarm clock ? @ ghost We need your case on VE. @ VE Sharrant was the resistance for thrawn lynch. You are not reading the thread properly. If you had said you were going to be here and then weren't, that would be a mark against you. Catch up on what you've missed, and stick around for the lynch. That's what I want. I've caught up on the thread already. I have been missing deadlines as scum and as town because mornings are difficult for me. Anyway, you said before that you have a notoriously hard time reading me bit I don't remember playing any game with you. What games were you referring to ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 07:25 Promethelax wrote: naw, it was to Shar. Though I'd like a quick run-down of your top scum reads. I still think VE is scum. After thrawn last post against iamp and his inactivity, I also think is he is scum. I wouldn't mind to lynch our dearest friend Zola but it's a coin flip. I don't like yamato also. His attitude is not supporting a good town atmosphere and I see almost no effprt to find scum in his filter. There is also one post I really didn't like tbut I'm on my phone, I'll post it right after.t | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:05 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono...I'll throw my weight behind thrawn. ##Unvote ##Vote: thrawn Hm. Unless I think Thrawn is town this makes no sense for VE being mafia. I'll take another look at you after the flip, VE, but for now you're off the hook. ##Unvote ##Vote: Thrawn I really don't like this post. It allows yamato to drop VE while positioning himself to do anything after the flip. But I'm not going to worry about yamato so much before we get to lynch VE. | ||
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I'd really like to see more from ghost, especially his case on VE. ##Vote thrawn | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:08 Promethelax wrote: why weren't you voting for him the whole day in that case? Because you don't get much information from a lynch like this. I think VE lynch would have been more controversial and would have gave us more info. That's why I was pushing VE over thawn. | ||
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You cannot reproach to come late on his bandwagon. On January 26 2013 11:18 Djodref wrote: I'm also suspicious of thrawn because he is not as spammy as usual in the beginning of the game and I know that thrawn likes to hang out in the scumQT when he is mafia. I didn't like his joke as well. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 09:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i'd like all non self aware millers to claim His joke in Hero Mini Mafia was a useful and light-hearten joke. Useful because it provoked reactions and light-hearten because he didn't care how he was going to like like after a fakeclaim. This joke is a reminder of what he did in Hero, and I see it as a soft-town claim, which could be mafia motivated. Like, "hey guys, I'm behaving like in this game where I was town ! What gives ?". | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:27 iamperfection wrote: i was just making fun of you for saying lynching the role blocker was bad. Everything is easier now in hindsight, but we couldn't be sure that it was such a good lynch before. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:30 EmileZola wrote: djo you just said you'd rather lynch for info over someone who you think is scum it's day 1, you lynch for scum, not for info. every noob knows that. I think VE is scum, I thought thrawn was scum as well. But VE lynch was more interesting to push. Also I need you to contribute in a better way starting from now ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:20 Promethelax wrote: so, back to that scumslip from djo... I would like you to present your case against me ASAP. You already said I had a scumslip and that my case was the worst ever, but you are sure reluctant to call me scum directly. I'm town so you are not going to be killed by the mafia for it | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:34 Vivax wrote: Oh, and you said something along the lines of : "Sure, I'm fine with lynching lurkers". Now you say UNMISTAKABLY SCUM? In hindsight, I'm saying unmistakably scum. Check my he post I've just quoted, it's quite different from the support of a lurker lynch. To be fair, the first one to have called thrawn scum is VE. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote: Djo, stop panicking. Give me some feedback about what I just wrote please. I'm not panicking at all, I'm excited ^^ Were you talking about the post I had already quoted ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:26 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 08:17 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 08:08 Promethelax wrote: On January 28 2013 08:05 Djodref wrote: Thrawn scum meta is unmistakable ! why weren't you voting for him the whole day in that case? Because you don't get much information from a lynch like this. I think VE lynch would have been more controversial and would have gave us more info. That's why I was pushing VE over thawn. wut? you'd rather lynch for information over someone you think is UNMISTAKABLY SCUM? I think it was pretty clear that we were heading to lynch thrawn today and that I was willing to consolidate on him. But, yeah, it was better to push another lynch in the meantime. | ||
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I still don't think that xsksc is scum. I need to read this whole day 1 again though given this flip. I think VE looks even worse right now but I'll get on this later because I have to go to work. Let me give you a short summary. VE has thrawn as scum very shortly after thrawn's joke. VE doesn't push thrawn so much after that and goes after iamp at some point. Check VE interaction with yamato about thrawn. VE votes the same guy that his top scumread. He doesn't try to find scum outside iamp and thrawn. | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:44 EmileZola wrote: ghost You never responded to this are You scum ghost? I need your case against me. It's quite serious business you know ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:51 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 08:44 EmileZola wrote: ghost You never responded to this On January 27 2013 10:34 iamperfection wrote: what you think of thrawn ghost? are You scum ghost? I need your case against me. It's quite serious business you know ^^ why because You are scared? because i am right? what do You think of ghost? I'm not scared at all. Like really not at all I want to see ghost case against VE. He is too inactive to my taste so far but I think that it his style, he was already like this as town in WitchCraft. I think this guy is good so I'm going to wait to see what he says of this lynch and day 1. Null for now. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:20 Promethelax wrote: okay, these are the set-ups we're looking at (ish) + Show Spoiler [c9++ including scum rb] + TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) 0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather we have between 2 and 7 letters. Just remember set-up in case of my untimely death and keep an eye on incongruent claims. I'm reading day one over again and I hope you'll all do the same. Useless post. Where is your case against me ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:20 Promethelax wrote: so, back to that scumslip from djo... But isn't this post calling me scum ? Have the decency to post a case against me before writting posts like this. | ||
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On January 28 2013 09:36 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 08:54 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 08:51 EmileZola wrote: On January 28 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 08:44 EmileZola wrote: ghost You never responded to this On January 27 2013 10:34 iamperfection wrote: what you think of thrawn ghost? are You scum ghost? I need your case against me. It's quite serious business you know ^^ why because You are scared? because i am right? what do You think of ghost? I'm not scared at all. Like really not at all I want to see ghost case against VE. He is too inactive to my taste so far but I think that it his style, he was already like this as town in WitchCraft. I think this guy is good so I'm going to wait to see what he says of this lynch and day 1. Null for now. don't you want to take a closer look at the page 25 and the following? So what ? What did happen on page 25 for you to put thos red font ? | ||
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Tell me if you still think I'm scum after re-reading D1. @ yamato I don't think any scumbuddy would be so fluffly. They would have known thrawn would flip scum | ||
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His scum partners knew his alignment. I'm pretty sure they didn't hesitate and didn't show hesitation when voting him. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:15 Promethelax wrote: so why did you join the wagon after fates were sealed djo? Because I was sleeping | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:18 Promethelax wrote: why bother joining it at all? Because it was a lynch I wanted to support. Because I wanted to prevent last-minute shenanigans (even if they never happen). For consolidation. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 11:13 Djodref wrote: For me, it was quite obvious that we were heading towards a thrawn lynch. His scum partners knew his alignment. I'm pretty sure they didn't hesitate and didn't show hesitation when voting him. You're just making shit up to justify your continued suspicion of me now. What's worse is that this tunnel of me is all you've fucking done, so there's no information to be had there. I'm not scum Djo. This post was at yamato's intention. I didn't check yet if it was describing your behavior wrt thrawn or not. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 11:48 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote: On January 28 2013 11:13 Djodref wrote: For me, it was quite obvious that we were heading towards a thrawn lynch. His scum partners knew his alignment. I'm pretty sure they didn't hesitate and didn't show hesitation when voting him. You're just making shit up to justify your continued suspicion of me now. What's worse is that this tunnel of me is all you've fucking done, so there's no information to be had there. I'm not scum Djo. This post was at yamato's intention. I didn't check yet if it was describing your behavior wrt thrawn or not. It seems to me if I'm your top scumread this would have crossed your mind already - especially given the "new information" you'd have gained from thrawn's flip. I didn't have time to read day one again. I'm in a metting right now. Actually, I like yamato's latest posts about you. And I know my first case against you was not very good >.< I need to reassess my reads on you and check Sharrant posts about thrawn. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Fuck getting into it right now - I'm going through your past games for the answer. Don't waste your time on this | ||
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Let's discuss who is going to get shot tonight ! I'm hesitating between Emile Zola, Hapa, VE and ghost right now Guys, I'm pointing my gun on you. You know the drill, you should show me that you are town ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:00 xsksc wrote: Yeah we killed the rb, but won't scum just shoot you tonight now? I thought scum shot went before vigi shot. Don't really see why you're claiming, unless I'm derping here.. No, both kills at the same time, I got confirmation. | ||
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Who do you wanna lynch ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 05:35 ghost_403 wrote: And I would shoot Prom, because he's scum. And I would shoot ghost, because he is lurky, and didn't mention thrawn | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:26 xsksc wrote: Oh okay, I have no idea why I thought it was the other way round. Why is hapa on your list? Before he stopped playing i thought he was making sense and we've yet to hear from his successor. Because thrawn lynch was too easy. So I think his scumbuddies weren't here/didn't do anything to derail this lynch. | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:53 Promethelax wrote: Djo: are you a single shot or multi shot vig? single, check the OP. Who do you wanna shoot ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 15:18 JieXian wrote: I was just thinking that millers are always balanced with a GF ...........if it was a real miller there It doesn't work like this, but we can discuss post game if you want ^^ | ||
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Bring a better case or you take the bullet. | ||
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On January 28 2013 15:59 Promethelax wrote: Yeah set up mind fucked me right now. VE: I ask you to look for scum/sk play in djo. His claim makes no sense. He will not shoot you if he wants to live so don't worry unduly about it. I'm most interested in your thoughts out of everyone in this thread. There are very few townies in this game whose opinion I care to hear. Man, I just shoot who I want. My goal is to find scum and I don't see why you are so sure VE is town. | ||
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On January 28 2013 16:02 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 16:01 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 15:59 Promethelax wrote: Yeah set up mind fucked me right now. VE: I ask you to look for scum/sk play in djo. His claim makes no sense. He will not shoot you if he wants to live so don't worry unduly about it. I'm most interested in your thoughts out of everyone in this thread. There are very few townies in this game whose opinion I care to hear. Man, I just shoot who I want. My goal is to find scum and I don't see why you are so sure VE is town. So why even claim if you're just gonna shoot who you want? What was the point of outing yourself? I want EZ and ghost to start to participate. My goal is to create discussion and to put pressure on these players. | ||
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On January 28 2013 16:13 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 15:31 Djodref wrote: @ EmileZola Bring a better case or you take the bullet. yes, You go ahead and shoot me and You will be the idiot in the postgame. Your play is already shit so why not make it shittier? Why is my play shit ? It seems like you really don't want to contribute in a more constructive way... I'm not the only one who would be happy to see you dead. So | ||
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I would appreciate if you could reveal whose smurf you are by the way ^^ | ||
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I don't have the time to do my own reasearch beacaus eI'm on my phone from a metting. | ||
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I just thought it was a great opportunity to put pressure on some players ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 17:12 supersoft wrote: NOOOOOO FUCK! ha ha ha | ||
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I'd like some inout about this please ^^ | ||
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I'm quite open to discussion and I'm going to listen to everyone carefully. What do you think of this post by Hapa for example ? On January 26 2013 12:53 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 12:43 iamperfection wrote: On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Where did everyone go? im all you need bro what you want to talk about you pick the subject Just hold me and tell me those sweet nothings. Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Where did everyone go? I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ? It's "bleh." He tends to come in and make random jokes like that as town. Can't make anywhere near an accurate read on him this early though. His first impression of thrawn. | ||
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On January 28 2013 21:31 EmileZola wrote: you better shoot ghost. So ghost and Sharrant the remaining scum players ? It looks too easy. What about JieXian and Hapa ? I think they could be scum as well. | ||
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On January 28 2013 21:43 JieXian wrote: I'm not and Hapa swapped out..... I found him scummy too but none of us can say for sure. By the way, do you still think VE is scum ? Who would you say is his scumpartner ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote: Seriously though, you better shoot ghost. I don't even know why you would claim as either alignment at this point, there was enough time between now and the next lynch deadline to prove you're innocent. Oh, I didn't claim because of the pressure on me. I don't think I was going to get mislynched. I claim so we could discuss about the town night kill. Also it's a great tool to pressure people. I've sent a PM with ghost as the target. I'm going to check what he has to say about it ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 08:20 EmileZola wrote: last scum are in VE + Djo + ghost. calling it now, we lynch these players and win. scum surrender gg On January 28 2013 16:59 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 16:24 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 16:13 EmileZola wrote: On January 28 2013 15:31 Djodref wrote: @ EmileZola Bring a better case or you take the bullet. yes, You go ahead and shoot me and You will be the idiot in the postgame. Your play is already shit so why not make it shittier? Why is my play shit ? It seems like you really don't want to contribute in a more constructive way... I'm not the only one who would be happy to see you dead. So If you're really a vig, Your whole move is dumb as fuck. Your targets are dumb as fuck except for ghost. VE is 70% town, hapa is 80% town and I am 100% town. You look like scum. You ignored the thrawnlynch. You refuse to read ghost. If you don't hit scum tonight (I even told you who to kill to hit scum) you're confirmed scum for me, or the shittiest player ever seen in this forum. @ supersoft What changed your read on VE ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: I would actually support if you shot JX as well. Decent chance of being scum due to the premature Prom dirt slinging. Yeah, I could see myself shooting him tonight ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2013 23:27 ghost_403 wrote: Yeah, shooting Ghost would be a good idea. That bastard. Wait, wat. So, well, it's up to you now ^^ I'm going to bed soon by the way, it's already 11.30pm in Korea and I have meetings all day tomorrow again. | ||
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I think xsksc, Prom and VE are town. Iamp is supertown as usual (when he rolls town). | ||
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On January 28 2013 23:33 ghost_403 wrote: Nope, not a veteran. Why does everyone think I have a neat role? I've been accused of being a serial killer, a vigilante, and now a veteran. Who cares? Actually, could you not waste your time in this kind of posts and quickly show me that there is other people worth my shot ? It's not like I have plenty of time right now and you don't want me to take my decision tomorrow morning when I wake up. | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: There's 8 hours difference between the posts, why shouldn't there be evidence for SS to change his read? Djo, we both were SS scumbuddies in LVIII, I hope you see that this doesn't match his scum meta? Why not ? He could have faked his rage against me. Also him leaking his real identity is quite suspicious. Because nobody would have blamed me to shoot Emile Zola, but shooting supersoft is another decision to take. And having VE as town allows him to shoot at me, telling me how bad I am, and forcing me to shoot ghost, with the threat of me being lynched the day after/looking like an idiot if I shoot VE. Also I don't see how he could have me as scum, because I'm not matching my meta as well and I was quite explicit on thrawn. I don't understand why supersoft would need all his plan to vote thrawn when thrawn was showing signs of inactivity when we all know that he was active in the scumQT in our game. | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:14 Vivax wrote: Djo, shoot JX or ghost. You can be a HERO tonight. They seem reluctant to talk about each other! I want to give them a chance to contribute constructively. Could you give me your own reasons of why I should shoot them. A short list of arguments for both of them could be fine. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax On January 26 2013 20:02 Promethelax wrote: Clearly it does not make I p scummiest in my eyes. JX is scummiest. In the shower I had a thought he wants us to distrust Marc's miller claim. Scum want that. @ Promethelax What changed your mind about marv's miller claim between these two posts ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:46 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 00:42 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote: That's good news! Marv is on town's side! Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax On January 26 2013 20:02 Promethelax wrote: Clearly it does not make I p scummiest in my eyes. JX is scummiest. In the shower I had a thought he wants us to distrust Marc's miller claim. Scum want that. @ Promethelax What changed your mind about marv's miller claim between these two posts ? i dont see a connection between those two posts The first one he attacks Vivax for trusting Marv's claim too quickly, the second one he attacks JX for discrediting Marv. | ||
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Emile Zola, why so inactive ? It could explain the difference of reads on VE though... | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:01 ghost_403 wrote: @djo: You gonna give me a good reason why you're planning on shooting me? I can't really argue again "meh, I don't really see any better scum targets", especially when I've been pushing the two scum that I've found all game long. Do you disagree with my reads? I'm going to shoot you because you started to be active yesterday and pushed Prom (that you apparently totally forgot) right when thrawn wagon was starting to get some traction. Also, thrawn lynch was quite easily, which makes me think that his scumbuddies where also quite inactive and couldn't derail his lynch. So this is looking bad for Sharrant, Hapa and you. And I have to say that I consider the rest of the players quite town (even JieXian thanks to his early vote on thrawn, also he is quite open and nice in this game) at the exception of EmileZola. I don't think it is a bad decision to shoot you because you are inactive and you pushing Prome and defending thrawn makes sure that we have to lynch you at some point. Even if you are town, I don't want us to waste a day mislynching you. You should have brought more points for VE, because he is active, he is trying to figure things out, he is playing the game, so I think he is town. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:19 yamato77 wrote: If I was vig I would have shot Djo. Now it's kind of ironic that he claims vig. I think he's SK. Yeah, because the SK would totally have claimed Vig like I did and wanted to draw a lot of attention on him. If there is a SK in this game, I think it's Emile Zola. Right now, I would say that Sharrant and ghost are scum, which explain why we could lynch a scum on D1 (inactive scum team). Emile Zola could be SK because of his anti-town play and supersoft reaction to my gun pointed at his head. | ||
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JX is town, and he is scummy as town, and you should know it. His vote against thrawn is the second one against him, and he gave good reasons for his vote. | ||
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Vivax is also town, because well, he hasn't changed at all | ||
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[list] [*]iamp, macthing his usual town meta, leading the lynch on the evil lurking scum thrawn, is confirmed town | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:26 ghost_403 wrote: I distinctly remember pushing Prom. I pushed Prom when I thought he was acting scummy. What I don't know is how that makes me scum. And before you say "oh, well, you didn't like the Thrawn lynch.", I would like you to take a look at my previous games and find me one where I'm okay lynching a lurker Day 1. Oh, and for the record, "posting a lot" != "active and trying to figure stuff out". That's probably the worst part of the TL meta. Judge me by the content and quality of my posts. So, why did you give up on him today ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:36 ghost_403 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 01:28 Djodref wrote: On January 29 2013 01:26 ghost_403 wrote: I distinctly remember pushing Prom. I pushed Prom when I thought he was acting scummy. What I don't know is how that makes me scum. And before you say "oh, well, you didn't like the Thrawn lynch.", I would like you to take a look at my previous games and find me one where I'm okay lynching a lurker Day 1. Oh, and for the record, "posting a lot" != "active and trying to figure stuff out". That's probably the worst part of the TL meta. Judge me by the content and quality of my posts. So, why did you give up on him today ? I haven't given up. I've been spending my time pushing VE instead of going back and rereading D1 for Prom's contributions to the lynching of Thrawn. As soon as I get a chance to catch my breath, I'll go back and figure out what Thrawn's flip says about Prom's alignment. I'd like your thoughts on Sharrant if possible. | ||
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My theory is that the scum team couldn't divert the town from thrawn lynch because they were also inactive. Which makes the last guys on my list looking quite bad. Especially ghost coming last minute and starting being more active when thrawn wagon started to get some traction. The best decision is to shoot him, unless he can prove himself town until the deadline. | ||
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I'll let you know my final decision when I wake up tomorrow morning. You can trust me 100% that I'm going to do what I'm going to announce in the thread. Also if you take the time to read the beginning of the game, it is quite clear that I'm not scum (I'm the first one calling thrawn out after VE) and my claim tonight should also be a good proof that I'm not SK. I think it was a good move since the mafia RB is dead. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:35 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 01:33 iamperfection wrote: On January 29 2013 01:31 yamato77 wrote: On January 29 2013 01:22 Djodref wrote: On January 29 2013 01:19 yamato77 wrote: If I was vig I would have shot Djo. Now it's kind of ironic that he claims vig. I think he's SK. Yeah, because the SK would totally have claimed Vig like I did and wanted to draw a lot of attention on him. If there is a SK in this game, I think it's Emile Zola. Right now, I would say that Sharrant and ghost are scum, which explain why we could lynch a scum on D1 (inactive scum team). Emile Zola could be SK because of his anti-town play and supersoft reaction to my gun pointed at his head. Why do any of you people do the things you do? Last time there was an SK he claimed town vig before he died. What makes you any different? uh the way he did it. You mean: 1) Receive suspicion 2) Claim town vig 3) Claim to play pro-town Is that the sequence of events you're looking for? I didn't care about the suspicion people were showing towards me. I'm very confident that I could talk my way out of a mislynch (at least as town) after Hero Mini Mafia. Also I was pretty sure to be confirmed town after my shoot tonight, and that's why I've been asking people for their cases against me. After that I've realized that it could be even better to directly claim vig to put some pressure on the scummy players. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:47 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 01:42 Djodref wrote:
My theory is that the scum team couldn't divert the town from thrawn lynch because they were also inactive. Which makes the last guys on my list looking quite bad. Especially ghost coming last minute and starting being more active when thrawn wagon started to get some traction. The best decision is to shoot him, unless he can prove himself town until the deadline. i would make some alterations to this i will post my own closer to the deadline. agree with the town reads except one. Yeah, I would have liked to post mine closer to the deadline but I prefer to put it here now before going to bed... I'll check the thread before I wake up but just in case I don't hear my alarm clock. ##Shoot ghost | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:12 Vivax wrote: Wtf you have JX as strong town suddenly? Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 21:38 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 21:31 EmileZola wrote: you better shoot ghost. So ghost and Sharrant the remaining scum players ? It looks too easy. What about JieXian and Hapa ? I think they could be scum as well. Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 23:28 Djodref wrote: On January 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: I would actually support if you shot JX as well. Decent chance of being scum due to the premature Prom dirt slinging. Yeah, I could see myself shooting him tonight ^^ That is a scummy switch. I wanted to test his reaction and force him to participate. I think he is town after re-reading the thread, and anyway I'm going to be confirmed vig (and certainly dead) soon enough. | ||
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GG guys, and sorry I didn't wake up. | ||
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On January 29 2013 08:33 EmileZola wrote: also if sharrant really is a mislynch opportunity then it makes sense from a scum yamato perspective. He called VE town repeatedly prior to his death and also pointed out sharrant being scummy. Not sure what to think of it atm so gonna do some heavy rereading. I'll probably be back later today after school. Why would yamato defend VE when I was threatening to shoot him then ? What do you guys think of Prom and xsksc ? | ||
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Are you saying that VE is better than supersoft and wbg together ? Or are you saying they are not town this game ? | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:00 xsksc wrote: Yeah we killed the rb, but won't scum just shoot you tonight now? I thought scum shot went before vigi shot. Don't really see why you're claiming, unless I'm derping here.. @Prome What do you make of this post ? Doesn't it show some kind of scum mindset ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote: What kind of scum mindset do you see there djo? Don't just say it. Show it to me. You know, the kind of things that make you think directly to the mafia night kill when someone claims vig. Note also that he is very quick to believe my claim and doesn't show as much confusion and irritation as VE, wheresoft or you had shown towards me. | ||
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@ xsksc Why did you believe my claim so easily ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 09:59 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 09:34 iamperfection wrote: why do you think xzcxzv is town prom? A matter of mentality. He seems interested, involved and unafraid. Not a strong town read but he is still on my green side. So who are the remaining scum players according to you ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:09 Promethelax wrote: My notes are on my computer but I have sharrent looking scummy and Yamato less and less townie. Also Hapa2.0 is a concern, 1.0 was, to my great surprise, a slight town read but there is so little to go on there. JX is on the scummy side of null and you djo are still scummy in my eyes. scummy scum or scummy SK ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 10:42 Djodref wrote: On January 29 2013 10:09 Promethelax wrote: My notes are on my computer but I have sharrent looking scummy and Yamato less and less townie. Also Hapa2.0 is a concern, 1.0 was, to my great surprise, a slight town read but there is so little to go on there. JX is on the scummy side of null and you djo are still scummy in my eyes. scummy scum or scummy SK ? well that is the problem, your play suggests scum and your actions vig/sk. There is a reason you were the least scummy of the lot. I can't figure out how your play as a whole fits with town/sk/scum I'm confirmed vig/sk for a start. Also my claim yesterday was pro-town, I have been antagonistic because you guys were pissing me off and I wanted to gauge your reactions. And I don't see how you can see me as scum when I called thrawn out the first after VE's joke. Did you really read day one again ? What do you make of JieXian voting thrawn in second place behind iamp ? Please explain me how do you see the bus. Same for you Vivax, explain me how and why JieXian has bussed thrawn yesterday. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:24 EmileZola wrote: it's pretty easy. As a vig, you don't claim night 1. You wait until you have a really safe shot and pull the trigger. That would have been the correct move. It was a safe shot. Also I got to get one of you leaked his identity, so it's not so bad. I don't even understand why you bring this subject to the table because, even if you think I'm SK, you should be more concerned by lynching scum today. This discussion is pointless because 1.I'm town vig, 2.we should lynch mafia. I'm not particularly impressed by your play so far, so please start to tell me who is scum with sharrant, ok ? We can discuss this kind of thing in the post game if you want. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:43 EmileZola wrote: Djodref, you are one of the players who is getting on my nerves. You don't read carefully and ask questions that have already been answered. "How did you not see that thrawn was scum from the beginning ?" what kind of question is this? What is your goal with it? Not only was I the first player who voted thrawn, moreover I explained why I unvoted him and started to push his lynch in the perfect moment, 4 hours before the lynch. Now I reposted, what I already explained here: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 04:11 EmileZola wrote: okay I think it's time to clear some things up: On January 27 2013 00:57 EmileZola wrote: haha, i don't understand why a fellowtownie would refuse to help me a little bit with a short summary by that moment i had already read the thread. On January 27 2013 06:42 EmileZola wrote: there is also one additional reason, a reason i will tell you in exactly 22 hours from now on. the main reason was, that i wanted to move my vote away from thrawn. I was believing thrawn was scum: thrawn is playing WAY different compared to his last towngame, where he did well. On January 27 2013 20:56 EmileZola wrote: I am pretty sure that thrawn isn't lurking... I think he's just afk. i wanted to cozy thrawn around a bit, to see if he shapes up without pressure. Because if a player shapes up with pressure it's hardly a town/scumtell. I wanted to give thrawn the chance to come in the thread and play his normal meta and convince me that i was wrong about him in the first place, since he's a good player and I refuse to lynch good players early. However, he continued to be useles.. On January 28 2013 03:38 EmileZola wrote: telling you in 30 minutes I wanted to provoke VE a little. Because he tends to rage hard as town. He didn't react to my vote, but he already raged before. I think VE is more likely town. On January 28 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCKING SERIOUSLY?! :-) now back to thrawn: Scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=83569 Town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=83569¤tpage=5 and here: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 03:45 EmileZola wrote: [20:58] <supersoooooo> ^_^ [21:01] <supersoooooo> ahm [21:02] <supersoooooo> how long does it take to organize this channel ^_^ [21:02] <supersoooooo> did you follow the thread? [21:02] <supersoooooo> i wasn't at home, but i catched up pretty quickly, since the game has only like 10 pages... [21:03] <supersoooooo> sharrant and ghost haven't posted yet. Thrawn has small 2-3 posts [21:03] <supersoooooo> hapa has 1 filterpage [21:04] <supersoooooo> vivax, iamp, prom have 3 pages, djodref has even 4... [21:05] <supersoooooo> there is no pressure in this town. Marvel quit and VE never has a plan [21:06] <supersoooooo> i think a townhapa should be able to create a better atmosphere than this [21:19] <@MommyDearest> sry [21:19] <@MommyDearest> I wasn't getting [21:19] <@MommyDearest> notifications for this [21:19] <@MommyDearest> I think [21:19] <@MommyDearest> thrawn is 100% scum [21:30] <supersoooooo> yes. My plan is to cozy him around a little for the next 24 hours and get him lynched d1 if he doesn't shape up [21:30] <supersoooooo> i don't want to put too much pressure on him [21:31] <supersoooooo> i mean i want to give him the oportunity to shape up without pressure [21:31] <supersoooooo> if he does that, i think he's town [21:31] <supersoooooo> but if he doesnt, he's a really save choice for d1 [21:31] <@MommyDearest> ye I don't know why you are derailing the thread with questions like that. I hate pointless discussions like that. Why do you need a plan like this ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:55 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 11:51 Djodref wrote: On January 29 2013 11:43 EmileZola wrote: Djodref, you are one of the players who is getting on my nerves. You don't read carefully and ask questions that have already been answered. "How did you not see that thrawn was scum from the beginning ?" what kind of question is this? What is your goal with it? Not only was I the first player who voted thrawn, moreover I explained why I unvoted him and started to push his lynch in the perfect moment, 4 hours before the lynch. Now I reposted, what I already explained here: On January 28 2013 04:11 EmileZola wrote: okay I think it's time to clear some things up: On January 27 2013 00:57 EmileZola wrote: haha, i don't understand why a fellowtownie would refuse to help me a little bit with a short summary by that moment i had already read the thread. On January 27 2013 06:42 EmileZola wrote: there is also one additional reason, a reason i will tell you in exactly 22 hours from now on. the main reason was, that i wanted to move my vote away from thrawn. I was believing thrawn was scum: thrawn is playing WAY different compared to his last towngame, where he did well. On January 27 2013 20:56 EmileZola wrote: I am pretty sure that thrawn isn't lurking... I think he's just afk. i wanted to cozy thrawn around a bit, to see if he shapes up without pressure. Because if a player shapes up with pressure it's hardly a town/scumtell. I wanted to give thrawn the chance to come in the thread and play his normal meta and convince me that i was wrong about him in the first place, since he's a good player and I refuse to lynch good players early. However, he continued to be useles.. On January 28 2013 03:38 EmileZola wrote: telling you in 30 minutes I wanted to provoke VE a little. Because he tends to rage hard as town. He didn't react to my vote, but he already raged before. I think VE is more likely town. On January 28 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCKING SERIOUSLY?! :-) now back to thrawn: Scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=83569 Town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=83569¤tpage=5 and here: On January 29 2013 03:45 EmileZola wrote: [20:58] <supersoooooo> ^_^ [21:01] <supersoooooo> ahm [21:02] <supersoooooo> how long does it take to organize this channel ^_^ [21:02] <supersoooooo> did you follow the thread? [21:02] <supersoooooo> i wasn't at home, but i catched up pretty quickly, since the game has only like 10 pages... [21:03] <supersoooooo> sharrant and ghost haven't posted yet. Thrawn has small 2-3 posts [21:03] <supersoooooo> hapa has 1 filterpage [21:04] <supersoooooo> vivax, iamp, prom have 3 pages, djodref has even 4... [21:05] <supersoooooo> there is no pressure in this town. Marvel quit and VE never has a plan [21:06] <supersoooooo> i think a townhapa should be able to create a better atmosphere than this [21:19] <@MommyDearest> sry [21:19] <@MommyDearest> I wasn't getting [21:19] <@MommyDearest> notifications for this [21:19] <@MommyDearest> I think [21:19] <@MommyDearest> thrawn is 100% scum [21:30] <supersoooooo> yes. My plan is to cozy him around a little for the next 24 hours and get him lynched d1 if he doesn't shape up [21:30] <supersoooooo> i don't want to put too much pressure on him [21:31] <supersoooooo> i mean i want to give him the oportunity to shape up without pressure [21:31] <supersoooooo> if he does that, i think he's town [21:31] <supersoooooo> but if he doesnt, he's a really save choice for d1 [21:31] <@MommyDearest> ye I don't know why you are derailing the thread with questions like that. I hate pointless discussions like that. Why do you need a plan like this ? So you didn't read this stuff before right? Why do I need a plan? Why not? There could have been other explanations for thrawns inactivity. And just for the record: I answered your first question by quoting stuff i already posted hours and days before your question, right? Yes, I read it before, but I don't see why you didn't push thrawn in a straight forward way when you have him as scum. Okay, we can drop this point. Tell me more about Sharrant and who is the last scum according to you. | ||
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Could you give us your list of reads when you are done with reading the thread ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:17 yamato77 wrote: I think he gave some reads right there, Djo. Are you reading people's posts? I meant a list with his reads on all players in the game. | ||
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On January 29 2013 13:30 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 11:32 Djodref wrote: @ supersoft How did you not see that thrawn was scum from the beginning ? ok, wbg here, and this post actually pissed me the fuck off as I was reading (and I wasn't planning on posting tonight since I still don't feel like I have made sense of everything) First of all, we both almost immediately thought thrawn was scum. IIRC our first vote was on thrawn. I was afk and super did his own thing with VE and whatnot inbetween. I can't speak for him but I did feel like VE was acting strangely. (but I feel like that every game I play with VE, so whatever) Secondly, the fact that this is coming from YOU is fucking aggravating. YOU did not see thrawn was 100% scum from the beginning, because YOU put your vote elsewhere. Yet, you put the accusation on us for apparently not finding thrawn scum from the beginning? Bullshit, YOU didn't, not us. I didn't put my vote on thrawn but I suspected he was scum from the beginning and I said it as soon as I entered the thread. I was more interested in pushing active targets than thrawn to get more constructive discussion. Anyway, no need to be pissed off like this, and from your actions it is not clear that you had thrawn as scum for the beginning. The vote on thrawn was very quickly unvoted and your whole plan is dubious. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:34 EmileZola wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 13:44 Djodref wrote: On January 29 2013 13:30 EmileZola wrote: On January 29 2013 11:32 Djodref wrote: @ supersoft How did you not see that thrawn was scum from the beginning ? ok, wbg here, and this post actually pissed me the fuck off as I was reading (and I wasn't planning on posting tonight since I still don't feel like I have made sense of everything) First of all, we both almost immediately thought thrawn was scum. IIRC our first vote was on thrawn. I was afk and super did his own thing with VE and whatnot inbetween. I can't speak for him but I did feel like VE was acting strangely. (but I feel like that every game I play with VE, so whatever) Secondly, the fact that this is coming from YOU is fucking aggravating. YOU did not see thrawn was 100% scum from the beginning, because YOU put your vote elsewhere. Yet, you put the accusation on us for apparently not finding thrawn scum from the beginning? Bullshit, YOU didn't, not us. I didn't put my vote on thrawn but I suspected he was scum from the beginning and I said it as soon as I entered the thread. I was more interested in pushing active targets than thrawn to get more constructive discussion. Anyway, no need to be pissed off like this, and from your actions it is not clear that you had thrawn as scum for the beginning. The vote on thrawn was very quickly unvoted and your whole plan is dubious. it wasn't my "plan" and I don't think like super does. I've already stated multiple times that I was not around when super was doing his VE thing. Hell, his logic was probably similar to yours-if thrawn is surely scum then let's get reactions out of other people. I don't have a huge problem with that, but the fact that you're attacking super for basically doing what you did is hilarious. It shows how completely clueless you are. I don't want to start a fight but being clueless is part of this game. Hell, your list, (I guess it was yours) just after thrawn lynch contained a total of zero scum (ve+ghost+me). I have failed to show you that I was town and, if you guys are town, you have failed in the same way. But let's try to find scum today rather than fight ! I could get behind a Sharrant lynch today. But I'm more interested in pushing xsksc now. I also think we give Vivax too much leeway. | ||
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Among which players do you think we're going to find the last scum, if you're right about Sharrant ? Would you lynch xsksc today ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:32 jaybrundage wrote: Djo talk to me what do you think of my reads. Whos your biggest scum read atm. If your a Vig why arnet you dead? I'm not dead because I've antoginized enough players in this game so mafia could mislynch me, pretending I'm a SK I guess. I think the last two scum are among xsksc, Sharrant, Prome, Emile Zola, Vivax and you. With xsksc, Sharrant and you being more suspicious than the others. | ||
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Why didn't you ask me to shoot xsksc yesterday night ? | ||
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xsksc Ok, guys, you should take a look at xsksc filter. What has he been doing in this game ?
While being polite, xsksc has been also blendy, and his lack of scumhunting is simple amazing. He never explained why and how EZ actions make him mafia in his eyes. I think he just having someone to suspect for the sake of having a scumread. He doesn't pressure anyone for real. xsksc is scum. Lynch him today ! | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:20 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: In order sharrent>JX>Hapa/yam>djo (???) but now that you have replaced Haps he is out, I'm very wary of Yam/Djo but because of their claims I won't be pushing them for lynch. I prefer the noose on shar's neck to JX's. According to my notes though Shar said something really dumb that I thought might point towards him being town. I'm going to reread his filter and see what I can see. I think I'll be voting one of these two today. I still don't like lynching xscsk, his mentality is right. xsksc cares more about his image than about finding scum, hence he spent his time defending himself instead of finding scum. xsksc immediately believed my claim while I had been a gut scum read for quite a time and started to show real suspicion of me after thrawn lynch when some other players in the thread were attacking me. Please discuss about these points. Please explain me how and why JieXian bussed thrawn yesterday. | ||
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I can support a lynch of Sharrant or jay today. I would prefer to lynch jay. If I have to believe the claims right now, we have VMC(C?) with 4 or 3 possible T left. Basically, depending on how many checks Vivax have and if there is still some blues left, we are going to know if there is godfather or SK also in this game. I'm going today with the assumption that we have VMCTTTT as a setup (1-shot Cop, no SK, no GF, no more blues). @ JieXian Vivax claimed Cop. What do you make of this ? ##Unvote ##Vote jay | ||
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Who was inactive day 1 ? Who has defended thrawn in the very beginning of the game ? Hapa. And your entrance in this thread didn't convince me that you were town at all. | ||
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Please be very carefull wrt to JieXian. Of course, he has done some scummy things, but this guy is a fucking lynch bait when he is town. Please refer to WitchCraft Mini Mafia or LIX. He basically says whatever is on his mind while he reads the thread and make random and useless comments a lot. For me, he has joined thrawn wagon early enough to be town. Check this votecount again, there was almost no traction on the thrawn lynch at that point. I don't imagine scum JieXian doing this kind of things. On January 28 2013 03:25 Toadesstern wrote: VE-VE-VE-VOTECOUNT: Sharrant ( 1 ): Vivax Iamperfection ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, thrawn2112 Xsksc ( 1 ): Promethelax Thrawn2112 ( 2 ): iamperfection, JieXian Promethelax ( 2 ): Sharrant, ghost_403 VisceraEyes ( 2 ): Djodref, yamato77 Hapahauli ( 1 ): EmileZola EmileZola ( 1 ): xsksc With 13 people alive it takes 7 to lynch someone. 1 people haven't voted yet: Hapahauli, Deadline is still 23:00 GMT (+00:00) Important Mod note: Hapahauli has contacted me to get replaced and he will be replaced. We won't be able to replace someone in before monday though. Keep that in mind. He will not be modkilled and most likely won't vote/post this cycle | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:05 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2013 10:04 Vivax wrote: That post was before the NKs, not the lynch. wat Vivax is trying to say that Sharrant knew that VE was going to get shot at the end of the night. Because he said "I'm not going to make association cases before his flip" which could mean he knew that VE was going to get killed this night. In fact, it's a pretty nice find. Because it is not like VE was going to get lynched easily soon. Sharrant knew that VE was going to flip (=get killed here) soon. ##Unvote ##Vote Sharrant | ||
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On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote: *snip* VisceraEyes I'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now. This is just before VE flip. Information that only mafia could have known. *snip* | ||
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What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ? And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ? | ||
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On January 30 2013 10:25 Sharrant wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2013 10:17 Djodref wrote: @ Sharrant What about Prome and EZ saying that they were going to lynch me if I had shot VE ? And the fact the only few people wanted to shoot VE ? Tell me who do you think could have followed you on a VE lynch ? Well, you had VE as a scum read going into N1, Ghost had VE as a scum game since the beginning of the game (for those of you wondering, my town read on Ghost came because his entrance into the thread matched by thoughts throughout the whole game word for word). Half of EZ had VE as scum earlier as well. So I figured with a strong case (and I think it was a pretty good case, even if it turned out to be wrong) that it would push it to the point where a VE lynch would be viable unless he started playing better. Ok, fair enough. Who would you lynch today ? Wich players do you have as possible scum and why ? | ||
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Hapa/jay Here is the collection of mentions of thrawn by Hapa. On January 26 2013 12:53 Hapahauli wrote: *snip* Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote: On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote: Sigh. Where did everyone go? I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ? It's "bleh." He tends to come in and make random jokes like that as town. Can't make anywhere near an accurate read on him this early though. Doesn't commit to anything. It could be even a soft-defense because there was already some suspicion on thrawn at that point and he was less active than usual at this point. He directed me towards xsksc in his next post. On January 26 2013 13:04 Hapahauli wrote: @ Djo Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy. On January 27 2013 06:43 Hapahauli wrote: @ JX Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 03:02 JieXian wrote: Hapa is uncharacteristically quiet (so is Vivax, though Vivax isn't as quiet) I WONDER WHY We live on the opposite sides of the world ya know - gotta get my sleep and all. Regarding Thrawn He's the only other guy I'm concerned about right now. He's lurky as scum, and has been doing the same so far. Concerned about thrawn, but not voting him nor pushing him. On January 27 2013 09:05 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 08:59 Promethelax wrote: Close. Both Marv and millers should be considered town until further evidence. A Marv miller even more so. But one should never let the nature of why you have at Marv miler as town obscure your thoughts since he could be scum. Discrediting Marv now is stupid, he is probably town, he is probably miller and he will probably be night killed, throwing a bunch of suspicions is a waste of time and space. All we needed was to remember that he wasn't totally confirmed town. So yes, I wanted to hear more from Marv, I always want to hear more from Marv. Sounds reasonable. Show nested quote + Hapa, besides thrawn and his lurk what are you seeing in this thread worth attacking? is the smurf really mr. Z? If he isn't is he scum? Well I'll wait for him to confirm himself before I make a judgement. If the smurf isn't MrZ though, I'd be down for lynching him. Thrawn + Ghost lurk annoys me. Other than that, I found one of the latest quotes by Iamp as scummy: Show nested quote + On January 27 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote: Well ill let porm answer since he always complains when I answer questions directed at other people. Since when does iamp give a fuck about what people think of him? Annoyed. Not a very strong word. I think town Hapa could have pegged thrawn as scum at this point. Hapa has been playing with thrawn in Mario Mini Mafia and he knows he hangs out in the scumQT. Hapa has been playing with ghost in WitchCraft and he knows he is not very active as town. Their inactivity are presented on the same level here while they don't mean the same thing at all for these players. And Hapa should know that perfectly. One other thing I don't like in Hapa's filter is this post. On January 26 2013 11:37 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 11:29 Promethelax wrote: On January 26 2013 09:23 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 09:08 Promethelax wrote: Okay, lets set some ground rules, no one tries to lynch Marv d1 unless Hapa, me and VE all agree about him being scum. We're the three who know him well in this group. A corollary is that we will lynch him in lylo no matter what. If he is town and scum want to take the risk of letting him live that long we can make that trade. Along with that we will kill lurkers and liars, I'm done with towns where those things are acceptable. I would like confirmation from those players who are here on this. People who play anti-town will also be lynched. We must make it so that townies cannot play in a scummy way, it is time for town to win a mini. We believe in capital punishment in this town. xsksc: tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses? Alright. I'd appreciate if you do the same for me, you're one of the players in this game I'm not familiar with. My reads are usually pretty good, I've never been lynched and I'd like to think people can identify my town play easily enough. My weakness would probably be not pushing my reads hard enough/getting people on-board with me. On January 26 2013 09:13 Vivax wrote: On January 26 2013 09:10 xsksc wrote: On January 26 2013 09:07 iamperfection wrote: this is better prom has posted the scummiest post so far On January 26 2013 08:55 Promethelax wrote: Hello one and all and welcome to my town, there are three rules here. No lying, no lurking and no creating bad town atmosphere. Clear? because everyone in this game already knows this and he would only post it to appear to contribute ## Vote prom It's a pretty pointless post as, like you said, everyone clearly knows this already. There's not really a scum motive for it either, it doesn't earn him any townie points whatsoever. It's just pointless. I think this post is scummy. It's lengthy and too serious in this situation. It also suggests xsksc has been lurking until he read your question. He was observing us silently. ##Unvote ##Vote xsksc It's 2 lines long, I'm not sure what world that would qualify as lengthy in... Iamperfection said Proms post was scummy, I said I don't see a scum motive behind it, pointless post =/= scum post. Fairly simple. Replying to this before I forget, at one time I thought my strength lay in being obviously townie and not in scum hunting. Over my last few games I think that has been shifting. I have been mislynched twice in a row and caught scum twice I. A row (we are ignoring lviii). I can pretty well assure you that Marv and probably Hapa will be able to read me as town. As to the other players in this game, most know me and have played with me before but I'm less sure that they'll be able to read me well. Huh? How do you know that I'm town? Prome doesn't even imply that Hapa is town in his post. I think the scumslip is far-fetched here. I suspect a soft-town claim by scum Hapa here. I liked Sharrant defense a little, when jay sounded butthurt lately. Town jay martyrs when he is mislynched. ##Unvote ##Vote jay | ||
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On January 30 2013 11:27 jaybrundage wrote: @Djo Umm at the begging of your you said Hapa/jay. But all i see is hapa and no jay. Also as town i used to martry. Obvious it never works as i still got mislynched. I dont plan to get mislynched this game, Well, so you know what you should do not to get lynched. Go find better lynch targets than you ! Where you active lurking ? You are around but you show up when I change my vote on you ? Why are you not presenting your cases ? I have defended JieXian, do you have any comment to make on my post ? | ||
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On January 30 2013 11:29 jaybrundage wrote: And your case is more or less Hapa doesnt jump on the thrawn wagon as if he knows the alignment of thrawn. The reason being is he doesnt know thrawn's alignment. He was suspicious of thrawn and im sure if hapa didn't need ot get replaced he would of followed up and voted thrawn as well. Town Hapa hates lurkers. He is an adept of the "Lynch a Lurker" policy. I think he would have pushed a lynch on thrawn because this policy is almost assured to hit scum with this player. Hapa did not vote thrawn. This is a fact ! | ||
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On January 30 2013 11:45 jaybrundage wrote: @Djo I have been actively posting. You act like I have been not posting at all till i saw your case. I have posted my reads atm of JX and Sharrant. As of yet JX has been lurking everyone wants to defend him but no one lets him defend him self. Why is that? Yes he was on thrawn early could this make him more likely to be town sure. Can he still be scum yes. I have had games when people bus someone as the first or second post. DocH did this one game as scum. In regards to your second post yes hapa didnt vote thrawn. He had to get replaced and the mods stated hapa would stop posting and not partake in the voting. So whats your point. What do you make of the fact that JieXian is usually a lynch bait ? Could you provide some evidence that his vote on thrawn was a bus vote ? Could you provide better evidence that he is mafia ? Why are you not doing it already ? My point is that Hapa should have been very suspicious of thrawn. And he could have been pushing his lycnh while he was still in the game. Hapa knows thrawn almost as well as iamp, if not better (because they played scum together once). Supersoft looks like he had thrawn as scum quite early, iamp did, I did. Why Hapa was putting him on the same level as ghost ? I think Hapa was scum with thrawn. I might be wrong, but you should convince me on the opposite if you are indeed town. | ||
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On January 30 2013 12:05 iamperfection wrote: im not seeing this being a huge point djo. hapa replacde pretty early and im sure if he had saw the vote post by thrawn he would have voted for him. i believe hapa had already stopped posting before i threw out the first vote on thrawn. What about the post where he places ghost and thrawn inactivity at the same level ? "Ghost+thrawn lurking annoys me" Seriously ? Annoying ? Town Hapa kills lurker with fire. Moreover: -ghost being inactive matches his town activity in Witchcraft (Hapa was in this game). -thrawn being inactive means thrawn is scum (Hapa was in his scumteam in Mario Mini Mafia, maybe he has read LVIII). | ||
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On January 30 2013 12:42 jaybrundage wrote: Your case on hapa and his replacement hapa 2.0 is lacking. Hapa saw thrawn lurking and was commentating on it and making his reads known. Then he had to get replaced. What do you think the next logical step woould be for town hapa if he didn't get replaced. To vote thrawn. Your case is pretty weak. Go make a new one or find actual scum. @Ziggler Sharrant or JX i keep waffling between the two. They have different play styles but I don't like there lurkiness. What's your thoughts on who we should lynch. How do you know what Hapa would have done or not ? You shouldn't be concerned about defending my case against Hapa because you are not in a position to do so. I'm pushing your lynch for the moment. Present better cases against your targets and I might change my mind. Also I would like to know if you have any alternative ideas for the scum players ? There are still two of them... | ||
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On January 30 2013 14:44 JieXian wrote: I'm not lurking, I'm from Malaysia (GMT +8) the other side of the planet. I'm posting this while skimming and having my lunch and I'll read the thread more carefully and make some proper posts when I get back in a few hours. There are some attacks on me and I can address them very easily. Vivax claims DT again? I'm not surprised at all. He did it in both of the games I've been with him. First time he lied and got lynched that day, 2nd time he caught scum and was probably telling the truth. I'll address it later. I don't like Yamato's lack of activity but Prom seems to have some meta read on him? Vivax, show me my "case" against prom Who is Ziggler? Jay is calling iamp Ziggler. So iamp is Ziggler. Could you please be more active ? I missed you yesterday night... (we have almost the same evenings and nights ) | ||
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Vivax is not a good lynch for today. And I read him as town (slight read). | ||
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On January 30 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote: out of those 5 i would be only willing to lynch one of them and that would be only to serve my own ego. that's not good jx Which one ? Who do you think is scum then ? | ||
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I'm catching up now. | ||
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On January 31 2013 02:45 EmileZola wrote: actually, i am quite a fan of a mass roleclaim right now :-/ (s) Me too, but I would prefer to wait for the end of N2. It's also the decision of the blues, not of the VT. VT should wait for blues to claim before taking any action on their own. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:54 xsksc wrote: that's a great song but it doesn't save you Don't be cocky, a green check saved you today, but it's not going to save you forever. How about playing the game starting now ? | ||
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Why is no one considering Prome as potential mafia player ? xsksc needs to die. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:40 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:32 Djodref wrote: bleh. Why is no one considering Prome as potential mafia player ? xsksc needs to die. Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 01:42 Djodref wrote: xsksc, reasonable, polite, promotes a good atmosphere and is open about his thoughts Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 23:35 Djodref wrote: Ok, so I have read day one again, and I'm thinking to shoot among ghost, Emile Zola, JieXian, Sharrant and Hapa. I think xsksc, Prom and VE are town. Iamp is supertown as usual (when he rolls town). Pretty sure there's more in there, just found those with a skim. After I get back on, you're dead certain I'm scum. What changed? lol The fact that I realized that you don't try to find scum and that you didn't do jack shit D2. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:43 xsksc wrote: No man, let's kill the green check. That sounds like a fantastic idea. Shape up if you are town. For the moment, GF suits you perfectly. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:40 xsksc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:32 Djodref wrote: bleh. Why is no one considering Prome as potential mafia player ? xsksc needs to die. Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 01:42 Djodref wrote: xsksc, reasonable, polite, promotes a good atmosphere and is open about his thoughts Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 23:35 Djodref wrote: Ok, so I have read day one again, and I'm thinking to shoot among ghost, Emile Zola, JieXian, Sharrant and Hapa. I think xsksc, Prom and VE are town. Iamp is supertown as usual (when he rolls town). Pretty sure there's more in there, just found those with a skim. After I get back on, you're dead certain I'm scum. What changed? And seriously, what are you doing reading my filter ? This is a total waste of time for any town player... The only motivation I see to dig these posts is to discredit me. I'm 100% confirmed not mafia. | ||
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How are you feeling on your Prom/EZ scumteam right now ? | ||
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Please enlighten me. I'd like to know how much you believe in it as well. | ||
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On January 31 2013 23:52 Promethelax wrote: But seriously don't waste your check on me please. You won't be able to lynch me even if you lie and tell people you got red. Imp, why do you feel xscsk (not Moc) is the scummiest even with a green check on him? when has it ever been a good idea to lynch a green check. hell, lets play everyone's favourite djo game, you have a gun in your hands: who do you shoot tonight and why? I don't have anymore bullets in my gun, and I honestly don't really know who to kill if I had some I want JieXian, Moscta and Sharrant to step up. I'd like to see some great cases from you also Prome please ^^ | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:18 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 00:14 EmileZola wrote: On January 31 2013 23:39 Vivax wrote: What do you guys think of lynching Prom? listen vivax. I want you to check either JX or Prom. if you get a redcheck - good, we lynch that guy. If you get a greencheck, we lynch Yamato what do you think about that. (s) seems like a stupid plan considering vivax is very likely to die. We might have a medic. A medic is very likely to be among us if xsksc/mocsta is gf as I suspect. The medic should follow the "follow the cop" strategy. He doesn't need to do anything else. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:33 EmileZola wrote: I will never play with vivax and drodjef ever again. Come on, LVIII was fun ! | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:25 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 00:23 Djodref wrote: On February 01 2013 00:18 iamperfection wrote: On February 01 2013 00:14 EmileZola wrote: On January 31 2013 23:39 Vivax wrote: What do you guys think of lynching Prom? listen vivax. I want you to check either JX or Prom. if you get a redcheck - good, we lynch that guy. If you get a greencheck, we lynch Yamato what do you think about that. (s) seems like a stupid plan considering vivax is very likely to die. We might have a medic. A medic is very likely to be among us if xsksc/mocsta is gf as I suspect. The medic should follow the "follow the cop" strategy. He doesn't need to do anything else. then there is still a chance i was right all along....? i love you I love you too perfect innocent child I could lynch Mocsta tomorrow, but I would prefer to not lynch a green check. One thing speaking for xsksc is that he was trying to talk me out of shooting Hapa. I think he deserves some townie points for this. On January 28 2013 14:36 xsksc wrote: Please don't shoot hapa/hapa2 or ve. I don't see what could scum gain from this honestly. I'm counting on Mocsta to shine green from every pore of his skin if he is town. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:47 EmileZola wrote: I am done with you since night one. You claim was ridiculous. You are the worst vig I've ever seen. Vivax claim was ridiculous. His unreasonable emotional behaviour makes me so mad, i want to rip the hair off my head. Come on, you admitted yourself that you wanted to troll until D3 You just have found better trolls than you... This is just a game, so please relax ^^ Fake derp or not, I'm quite happy that I've made you leaked your true identity. This was worth the worst claim ever. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:53 Vivax wrote: That's a really good point Djo. Do you guys have any reasons to believe EZ is town so far? Yeah, sure. Trolling like supersoft did was sure to draw unwanted attention on day 1. I also really like how they pushed jay lynch on day 2. But I'm at a point where I have to be suspicious of everyone. It's very difficult for me to find a scumteam that makes sense. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:57 yamato77 wrote: There is a clear plan for medic, no matter what Vivax/Djo think or say. That being said, tying to direct the night actions is insanely stupid, and you should never do it. You're more likely to WIFOM your medic than you are the mafia shot. Much better to talk about who you want to lynch. To the people who think Sharrant is town, why do you think that? I didn't like at all how Sharrant joined the bandwagon on jay. He looks to carefully consider everything, but he joined very quickly the bandwagon on jay. For me, anyone could be mafia at this point. My problem right now is that I'm drunk and it's 1am and I should get to bed... I'm not going to post much before the deadline. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:47 EmileZola wrote: I am done with you since night one. You claim was ridiculous. You are the worst vig I've ever seen. Vivax claim was ridiculous. His unreasonable emotional behaviour makes me so mad, i want to rip the hair off my head. Did you change your mind about me ? How do you know I'm vig ? | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:00 Promethelax wrote: Oh hey yams, what are your thoughts on not sharrent? @ yamato I second this post. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:07 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 01:00 Promethelax wrote: Oh hey yams, what are your thoughts on not sharrent? Djo is questionable enough for me to want to lynch him tomorrow, regardless of 2 kills or not. Mislynch means the game is more even so SK doesn't necessarily have to shoot every night, especially after his claim and the attention on him. EZ is more difficult to read because while super posts he looks town, but when bugs posts I want to lynch him for how negative he's been. I could see him mafia with Sharrant, though I don't know why they would make the connection. Looking at them + Sharrant for tomorrow's lynch. Please provide some evidence to support your claims. How I am questionable ? What make you think I could be SK ? Why do you think it is useful to bring up this discussion again ? | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote: Iamp ignoring the argument brought up by Djo where xsksc said "Please don't shoot VE or Hapa" is also worrisome. Why the hell would scum beg the vigi to not shoot two townies???? The green check holds so far. Yeah, but there is a lack of scumhunting in his filter. I don't think he should be considered 100% town at all. We have to pressure Mocsta. And he is useless for now (see his latest post). | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:48 Promethelax wrote: I'll explain why Djo is not confirmed town tomorrow. I think we should consider him for the lynch with Yamato tomorrow. Man, the last time I've seen players who were worried about the possibility that I was a SK too much they were scum (Dandel and Cheese in the newbie XXVIII). Why should we lynch someone who is confirmed 100% not mafia ? Please explain this now ! | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:48 Promethelax wrote: I'll explain why Djo is not confirmed town tomorrow. I think we should consider him for the lynch with Yamato tomorrow. And seriously, you look like you know how the setup works, so I don't understand how you can think it is a good idea to lynch among the claimed blues... | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:54 Promethelax wrote: Figure it out dude. It isn't fucking hard. lol, I see it now. + Show Spoiler [speculation] + what about MVCCDTT ? It's what I have for the setup right now | ||
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On February 01 2013 07:56 Vivax wrote: JX and Sharrant. I called it Sharrant and Mocsta is my call | ||
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On February 01 2013 08:04 Promethelax wrote: woops, sorry Sharrent. Umm yeah, I am the Vig If you want my piles of breadcrumbs and obvious slips during my conversation with djo when he claimed I can show you. I understand better your reaction now. Two vigs is possible. And we were lacking blues. You are as well 100% confirmed not mafia ^^ So I'm not going to worry about you for the moment. | ||
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On February 01 2013 08:05 Vivax wrote: No one, I'm 1 shot. mm, interesting. I don't know at all how Toad defines the number of Vigilante he has in his setup. I'm going to drop setup speculation once and for all and consider everyone for the lynch today (at the exception of Prome and me), even yamato and Mocsta. | ||
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On January 28 2013 14:53 Promethelax wrote: Djo: are you a single shot or multi shot vig? @ Prom Could you tell me why you asked me this question ? | ||
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We are 7 players right now. 5 are non-mafia players, 2 are scum players. Prom and me are confirmed non-mafia player. If you are town, you just need then to find 2 town players (3 for Prom and me). The rest are the mafia. I think finding two strong town reads is quite easy. I'm going to read th ewhole thread again then present my conclusion. I encourage you to do the same. Find 2 strong town reads (at the exception of Prome and me), explain why. We lynch into the remaining players. | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:34 Mocsta wrote: Djo your the setup specialist, in particular as scum (not that Im implying anything) Please satisfy my curiosity. If we are indeed in a game with 1 Miller + 2 Vig; what are the % chances of this being rolled in C9++/this game setup options) I was under the impression 2 Vigs in one game is harder to achieve than 1 vig, 1 dt? Correct? It's correct. But the probabilities are not so different. But you have more chances to have VCC then VVVC. | ||
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On February 01 2013 12:01 Mocsta wrote: Sorry, I dunno if its the French to English translation, but that doesnt make sense. If there are more chances for VCC than VVVC (i.e. 1vig, 1 dt >> 2vig, 1 dt); how are the "probabilities not so different"? And call me out as newbie or scum or whatever if you want, but I dont see why you claiming vig makes you confirmed town. AFAIK, if I wasnt cop checked, i COULD claim vig too (before prome did) and then what.. im confirmed town too. Either way, im still catching up; and work is an absolute bitch today too. Will answer iamp question to me when I read the thread, prob aiming to be finished in say 12hrs. Lol we are confirmed because we killed our targets. Did you fiish to catch up ? Could you givr me two strong reads with evidence pleas ? Lol | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:18 Djodref wrote: Okay, so I think today should be quite easy. Our priority is to lynch mafia today. I understand that people could have some concern about Prom or me (or even someone else) to be SK but there are still 2 mafia players, and this is the faction we have to reduce today. We are 7 players right now. 5 are non-mafia players, 2 are scum players. Prom and me are confirmed non-mafia player. If you are town, you just need then to find 2 town players (3 for Prom and me). The rest are the mafia. I think finding two strong town reads is quite easy. I'm going to read th ewhole thread again then present my conclusion. I encourage you to do the same. Find 2 strong town reads (at the exception of Prome and me), explain why. We lynch into the remaining players. @Mocsta Did you read this post? What do you think of my proposition? I need your two strongest town reads. | ||
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On February 01 2013 11:54 iamperfection wrote: ebwop ## vote jx I need your two strongest town reads out of Prom amd me. Please provide aomeevidence. Please consider to lynch yamato today. | ||
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On February 01 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote: If you read my post properly you would see, I said 12 hrs. Im at work, i cant read the thread and make notes; so i havent read single post between night1 and when i joined in. If you want to lynch for for that whatever; im starting to get pissed everyone is expecting a read, when I clearly said I had to start this game from p1; and joined at fuckn 11pm with a 7am deadline. If you want a smart-arse answer, my strongest town read is me; I know my role pm; and its green as per my check. As for an additional two, Im just goign to have to get back to you when i get back to you. I need these reads outside Prome and me. Also you should not worry about us at all for today. We are both 100>% not mafia and we have to lynch mafia today. | ||
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Ve was town Hapa was town Bugs\ super also town Scum would have been crushed if marv was town as well. Thrawn is not a strong scum player. Yamato must be scum. ##vote yamato | ||
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On January 28 2013 06:05 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono...I'll throw my weight behind thrawn. ##Unvote ##Vote: thrawn Hm. Unless I think Thrawn is town this makes no sense for VE being mafia. I'll take another look at you after the flip, VE, but for now you're off the hook. ##Unvote ##Vote: Thrawn We lynch yamato today. He knew thrawn was scum. Here is the bus. | ||
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Please reconsider all your reads before this exercice. Read the whole thread again (especially EZ contributions) and tell us honestly who you think is town. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:07 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 01:00 Promethelax wrote: Oh hey yams, what are your thoughts on not sharrent? Djo is questionable enough for me to want to lynch him tomorrow, regardless of 2 kills or not. Mislynch means the game is more even so SK doesn't necessarily have to shoot every night, especially after his claim and the attention on him. EZ is more difficult to read because while super posts he looks town, but when bugs posts I want to lynch him for how negative he's been. I could see him mafia with Sharrant, though I don't know why they would make the connection. Looking at them + Sharrant for tomorrow's lynch. Who wants to lynch confirmed no mafia players ? Mafia players. Who tunnels town and only one player ? Madfia | ||
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”we lynch mafia today, we lynch Djodref the following day” Do you really think I have more chances to flip SK than JX to flip scum ? Please explain how my actions have shown that I have the mentality of a SK ? Please explain me why you want to get rid of a possible SK (we are not even sure that we have a SK right now, and we have enough room setup wise to have two vigs, especially if you consider that yamato fakeclaimed miller) over a certain scum ? | ||
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What do you mean by ”we deal with djodref the following day“ ? | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote: djo if yamato is scum who is his buddy? Who is JX buddy ? Mosta could be bussing him today. JX could be his scum buddy. You could also be his scumbuddy. Do you have a read on yamato ? Or is the miller claim enough for you? | ||
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Why do you refuse to give town reads ? Do you realize that we are almost sure to nail mafia with my plan? | ||
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What do you think about the balance of the team ? I don t see toad rolling jx xksc thrawn as scum against marv hapa ve bugs ss as town and say ^lets roll this shit! ^ | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:28 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:27 iamperfection wrote: On February 02 2013 00:26 JieXian wrote: djo and iamp talk to me please about what Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:22 JieXian wrote: @Djo : My only confirmed town read is iamp, unsure about the rest. Correct me if I'm wrong but does Vivax have anything to lose as mafia by claiming 1 shot DT? I don't know how the c9++ setup works. As scum, you could be very ballsy and claim a green check on your partner (it makes no sense to claim a green check on a townie who is going to get mislynched) because you always take the risk to get counterclaimed. But Vivax wants to lynch his own green check, so I don't think Mocsta is his buddy. Also you claim to protect yourself as scum. Vivax claimed to protect a green check. Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:36 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:33 Djodref wrote: Iamp What do you think about the balance of the team ? I don t see toad rolling jx xksc thrawn as scum against marv hapa ve bugs ss as town and say ^lets roll this shit! ^ Why don't you ask Toad if he picked the teams on his own then? Can't know if he randomized or not if you just speculate about it. Balance arguments don't have a place in here now. On January 22 2013 11:10 Toadesstern wrote: I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative... Toad takes care of the balance as a player, so I assume he takes care of it as a host. Honestly I would re-roll my setup if I had Hapa, ghost, VE, bugs/ss and marv all town players. It's a weak argument against yamato but it's one more argument against him. Seriously, just have a look at yamato's filter and tell me that it is not fucking scummy. Also trust SS and wbg, they are really not bad players. Yamato is scum. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. So.. where does that leave Prome, your supposed "clone" I think Prom is town vig as well, but I'm always afraid that Prome could be SK. The good thing about him is that is 100% not mafia, so I'm not going to take care about him until all mafia players are lynched. And I think that the game should end at that point right now. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: *snip* As scum, you could be very ballsy and claim a green check on your partner (it makes no sense to claim a green check on a townie who is going to get mislynched) because you always take the risk to get counterclaimed. But Vivax wants to lynch his own green check, so I don't think Mocsta is his buddy. Also you claim to protect yourself as scum. Vivax claimed to protect a green check. Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. @ Jiexian This repost should answer your question. Vivax is most definitively town, judging by his actions. @ everyone Speak up now if you think that Vivax could be scum ! | ||
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[QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:48 Djodref wrote: [QUOTE]On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: *snip* As scum, you could be very ballsy and claim a green check on your partner (it makes no sense to claim a green check on a townie who is going to get mislynched) because you always take the risk to get counterclaimed. But Vivax wants to lynch his own green check, so I don't think Mocsta is his buddy. Also you claim to protect yourself as scum. Vivax claimed to protect a green check. Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. [/QUOTE] He definitely didn't claim to protect himself at that moment, obviously. It was to protect xsk. Of course he wants to lynch/bus xsk. He's been bringing up the possibility of a GF for every other time he mentions that xsk is green. I already said how I found that very scummy.[/QUOTE] You don't take the risk to be counterclaim to save your scumbuddy to tell everybody that he is GF when people don't want to lynch him anymore. Vivax is town. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote: can we stop the fail quoting for a bit? Did you go read yamato's filter ? Your impressions ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:56 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:50 Vivax wrote: Yeah, I'm at risk of getting counterclaimed, I'm at risk of people not believing my claim and lynching either me or xs, I'm at risk of people figuring that I can't be DT cause of setup at a later stage. Then there's the argument that I didn't have to claim cause xs wasn't at risk of getting lynched (by Bugs), then there's the opposite argument that I had no point of claiming at that point if I wanted to protect him as scumbuddy since he wasn't too much at danger. JX, you keep dodging the Mocsta option, what exactly makes him town in your opinion if you doubt my DT check in the first place? You for one thought he was in danger.... that's what matters more. I'm down for a xsk lynch. I've been wanting to lynch him but the green check didn't allow it Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:33 JieXian wrote: On February 02 2013 00:23 Vivax wrote: JX and Mocsta are mafia, convince them to lynch each other and enjoy the show when they try to find reasons not to. The only person I definitely won't lynch for now is iamp. (and the VG/SKs for today) What do you think about Vivax now ? Do you see there is no way for him to be scum ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:00 Mocsta wrote: Agree; JX is failing miserably in these regards. I cant believe he thinks me n Vivax are a scum team bussing each other. There was nothing to gain at that point in time. and everything to lose if scum motivated. Bussing Thrawn made some sense if he was such a liability as others stated. But why bus the 2nd member of a 3 man team, when your already one man down. THATS STUPID PLAY. ##Vote: JieXian Yo, who is JX scumbuddy ? Yamato, right ? So we lynch yamato today. Or you have to explain me why you think JX is more likely to flip scum than yamato. You should also explain me why scum should have doubts about Vivax alignment. The thing with scum players is that they know Vivax is town, so they believe his claim way more easily. You should explain me how JieXian got 11 pages of filter as scum, saying everything passing through his mind. You should explain me how JieXian bussed thrawn on D1. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:01 JieXian wrote: No. What if Vivax is scum with yamato and claimed for townie credit Then Mocsta is town and you let him get mislynched by the town. Scum doesn't claim green check on town players about to be lynched. It works against their win condition. Town fucks up, you let the town fuck up. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:06 Mocsta wrote: I asked you questions first Djodref. I will reciprocate once you do. Which questions are you talking about ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:02 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 00:57 Djodref wrote: What do you think about Vivax now ? Do you see there is no way for him to be scum ? Your doing a lot of mediating. Time to reverse roles please. You have said your piece on Vivax, but thats a pretty easy read to give due to straight forward logic. Show nested quote + JX said iamp is his only confirmed town. What is your read on iamp; and what do you make of JX statement ? I think still think iamp is town, but I'm less sure that before. I don't understand why he doesn't want to answer my questions right now. From my point of view, things are easy, we have two scum among iamp, JieXian, Mocsta and yamato. We lynch the scummiest. It's yamato. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:19 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 01:17 JieXian wrote: Besides, I now have stronger reads on Djo and mocha Djo is most definitely NOT sk its mocsta. Why is Djo not SK? dont just make a rhetoric, add fact and logic. Hey ! Why I am SK ? Don't just say it for free, add quotes and evidence. Because I'm Vigilante. | ||
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Could we agree on this one ? Two scum players are in the following group of players: iamp, Mocsta, JieXian and yamato. Why is JieXian the scummiest from your point of view among JieXian, Mocsta and yamato ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:24 Vivax wrote: Yeah sure. Successfully fakeclaims miller to rush in before jay gets lynched and tells town that jay isn't scum cause he has a life and we don't. Come on Djo What else did he say ? He only said that Sharrant was scum ! Did yamato say anything new since Sharrant flipped town ? Absolutely nothing. Yamato has only commented about Sharrant in this game. And look at this particular syntax. This sentences in bold font show that yamato knew the alignment of the players before the flips. On January 28 2013 06:05 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono...I'll throw my weight behind thrawn. ##Unvote ##Vote: thrawn Hm. Unless I think Thrawn is town this makes no sense for VE being mafia. I'll take another look at you after the flip, VE, but for now you're off the hook. ##Unvote ##Vote: Thrawn So Yamato was having VE as scum but suddenly VE is not scum because he votes for thrawn that yamato think is scum, but less than VE, because he was voting for VE and not thrawn. Tell me what you think about this post. On January 31 2013 07:35 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 07:23 Promethelax wrote: So why is sharrent scummy? Has nothing changed in the last 24 hours? His focus today has been almost solely on Jay, which is rather scummy if I think jay is town, which I do. Jay is an extremely easy target to go after as mafia. But incidentally, a lot of town has the same opinion of jay despite knowing this fact, so I can almost let that slide. My main problem with him is how wordy and empty his posts are. He's like the antithesis of me. I'm all short and sweet and he's drawn out and boring. His most meaningful contributions this cycle have been his read on jay, but aside from that he's done little to rectify the bad logic he was using to justify his mafia read on VE N1. That same read is also why I think Djo's claim was at least partly a lie, because his continued insistence that VE was a valid target for his shot even after giving out a town read on me for defending VE makes very little sense. Sharrant, for these reasons, is a better lynch than a jay who is matching his town meta and not his scum one. Just replace "if I think jay is town" by "if you consider that jay is town" and the sentence makes much more sense. This is a scumslip. Yamato knew jay was town, and was painting Sharrant in red color for his wring read. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:27 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 01:26 Djodref wrote: @ iamp Could we agree on this one ? Two scum players are in the following group of players: iamp, Mocsta, JieXian and yamato. Why is JieXian the scummiest from your point of view among JieXian, Mocsta and yamato ? He is not moc and yamato are but they have claims and checks show me what setup we are in djo My problem is that I don't know how much V it takes to have two vigs in Toad's setup. It's either two or three, but with the classic setup, with two Vs, you have a single multi-shot vig, and three Vs, you have a multi-shot and a single-shot vig. I don't know if we have a godfather or not. And I don't know if we have a SK or not as well. We also could have a medic. The one thing I'm sure about is that we don't have a godfather AND a SK. Because we lack of blues (too many VT flips already) for this case. The thing I would like to have is VVCTTTT, no GF, no SK, and two Vs for two single-shot vigs. But it means that either you or JX is scum with yamato. I'm really more comfortable to lynch yamato today. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:50 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 01:47 Djodref wrote: On February 02 2013 01:27 iamperfection wrote: On February 02 2013 01:26 Djodref wrote: @ iamp Could we agree on this one ? Two scum players are in the following group of players: iamp, Mocsta, JieXian and yamato. Why is JieXian the scummiest from your point of view among JieXian, Mocsta and yamato ? He is not moc and yamato are but they have claims and checks show me what setup we are in djo My problem is that I don't know how much V it takes to have two vigs in Toad's setup. It's either two or three, but with the classic setup, with two Vs, you have a single multi-shot vig, and three Vs, you have a multi-shot and a single-shot vig. I don't know if we have a godfather or not. And I don't know if we have a SK or not as well. We also could have a medic. The one thing I'm sure about is that we don't have a godfather AND a SK. Because we lack of blues (too many VT flips already) for this case. The thing I would like to have is VVCTTTT, no GF, no SK, and two Vs for two single-shot vigs. But it means that either you or JX is scum with yamato. I'm really more comfortable to lynch yamato today. What happens when you add yamato's claim? I don't believe marv's and yamato's claim anymore. I want to judge everybody on their play without considering the check and the claims. I understand when you are coming from though. But I'm sure that either yamato is not miller, either mocsta is GF, either they are the scumteam. I'm 95% sure that the two remaining scum are among yamato, Mocsta, JX and you. And JX and you really look town compared to them, so I'm 90% sure there is something fucked up in the claim or in the check. Of course, I don't appreciate to lynch a played with an uncontested miller claim. But he has to be scum by elimination, and there is evidence against him. Please add onto this that EZ wanted him dead, and EZ is now dead. What do you think about yamato's slips ? I don't remember him using this kind of syntax in his town games. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:59 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 01:35 iamperfection wrote: On February 02 2013 01:30 Mocsta wrote: What is a stronger heuristic for you (for a scum read) The miller claim or the dt green check green check probably less The question was in general. I believe at the start of the thread, it was discussed miller is about 40% likely. Hence, false miller claim can be countered about 60% of the time? Correct? If you think green check is worth less than miller claim, you think the likelihood of a green check being scum (in general), would be >>60% of the time? Correct? As in....you think that the chance of GF being in the game is greater than 60%?? & By corollay: if Miller is present, all green DT checks are essentially moot (as worth less than the miller claim) So if Vivax checked you, and you were green.. we could all state on your heuristic you are the Godfather If we extend this to my situation. If you are going to sit here and continue to accuse me of being the godfather, go ahead and make a case. Regardless of xsksc inactivity (which he explained in full), judge me by my content - I have been contributing enough this cycle for a read IMHO. If you dont think I have been open and transparent; if you dont think I have been trying to spark conversation; if you dont think I am scum hunting with logic; log your vote my way, but dont forget to build that case. Otherwise, accept I am a VT; and continue the scum hunt. @ Mocsta One thing to consider is that scum (especially a scum player like marv) knows approximately how much blue roles there are in the town when they get to know the scumteam composition. So they can evaluate how much risk they take by claiming (cop is always more risky to claim because the cop has more probability to get rolled in the town). If you are not GF (and I assume you are going to work from this point of view ), then I think that the scumteam has no GF. No GF for the scumteam (ie a scum team with goon, goon, RB) means 3 or 4 letter slots for blue roles, so from the scumteam point of view, you should calculate a conditional probability to know the risk you have to be counterclaimed. This is something I didn't consider until now (I was working with "absolute" probabilities), but the risk a goon is taking to get counterclaimed by a real miller in this case is only roughly of 25%. | ||
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On February 02 2013 02:01 Promethelax wrote: I've been working under the assumption that one V us a single shot vig here and VV is two single shot viggies. if we're at VVMC (which I doubt) we'd theoretically have TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer but if we have a serial killer we're only at VMC which has TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker in all likelyhood this set-up is VVC vs. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker so final set-up would be 2 one shot vigs 1 one shot cop 7 VTs vs 2 goons 1RB which means Moc is confirmed town if yamato flips scum. We obviously have no doc because anyone not protecting EZ last night is a fucking retard. EZ was the only scum shot in this town and he/they were obvious townies. Yeah, I think Prom is right on this one. But I have difficulties to see iamp or JX as yamato's scumbuddy. But lynching yamato first is the right choice for sure. I'm quite confident that Prom is also a town vig when he brings up that kind of reasoning, because I came to the same point myself. | ||
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On February 02 2013 02:23 Promethelax wrote: also, unrelated to the set up. Marv knows full well that I have said many times I will lynch him in lylo no matter what that I am willing to lose a game there as town because I'm much more likely to win it as town because a town marv alive in lylo is much more likely scum than town. He also knows I am often overly suspicious of him (see CT where I was the only guy calling him scum) and that I know him better than most on these forums. With a miller claim he gets away with a lot of inactivity blamed on LIX and we don't suspect him. He knew that Hapa, VE and I were all town and he knows we know him and know mafia pretty well. I'd say miller claim was a risk he'd take. Also unrelated to the setup, yamato is fucking scummy And killing EZ over some 100% confirmed non-mafia players or a claimed DT who looks town shows that EZ had to be killed by the mafia. Because he was pushing yamato's lynch. Okay, I think we have brought enough arguments to get yamato lynched today. I'm going to get to bed then | ||
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What's your take setup-wise ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 12:50 iamperfection wrote: Why would you ask me that. You know I'm not good at it. What do you think of a mass claim then ? It could help us to know if we have a GF or a SK. Do you think we have some roles left (like a medic) ? Are you ok with the yamato lynch now by the way ? | ||
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Would you oppose a mass claim ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 18:46 Mocsta wrote: Why should a mass claim actually mean anything. There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill. I want to know for sure if we have a GF or a SK. And I doubt that would be the case if everybody claims VT. It could definitively clean you for example ^^ | ||
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iamp, are you VT ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 19:11 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 18:55 Djodref wrote: On February 02 2013 18:46 Mocsta wrote: On February 02 2013 18:26 Djodref wrote: @ JieXian Would you oppose a mass claim ? Why should a mass claim actually mean anything. There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill. I want to know for sure if we have a GF or a SK. And I doubt that would be the case if everybody claims VT. It could definitively clean you for example ^^ Im not interested in being cleared by setup speculation. So thanks but no thanks. Anyways, whats stopping anyone that is unconfirmed (e.g iamperfection) from claiming VT; you then think there is no SK; but in fact he is SK (i used this as an example.. im not inferring he is SK) Unless you have been bullshitting something in the setup speculation to try and catch someone somewhere, I see this campaign by you as fruitless and non-committed attempts to scum hunt. As an aside; I am used to seeing well constructed cases by you, both aesthetic and meaningful. This game seems different, the case(s) were list heavy, points not extrapolated; if anything, a general lack of care. In fact, I am not even sure if the cases you have shared meet your definition of a case, as detailed to xsksc. Do you disagree? Yeah, I have been posting drunk most of the time for this game and I've been very busy at work. So, no nicely formatted cases this time I knew that my case against VE was crap, but I was too stubborn to reconsider my first impression. Then I was trolling people when threatening to shoot them D1. Because I thought I was going to be considered confirmed town. I honestly thought that xsksc was mafia when I wrote my case, and I liked that both EZ and me went after jay after reading D1 again. My mistake this game is that I didn't consider yamato as a possible lynch target until very late, because of the miller claim. And asking for the roles is important for me, because I can really know if there is a GF or not from this information. Mafia players or a potential SK could try to claim blue roles, but they are going to be owned by the setup, and that's also why I want to get rid of yamato first. Because I need to know if it was a fakeclaim or not. I think it's obviously a fakeclaim now | ||
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That's why I'm not going to bother to write a very beautiful case. The scumslips from yamato are obvious enough, his filter indicates that he is scum. He doesn't even have any scumread today (so Prome kill on Sharrant was good in hindsight). | ||
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GG y u no concede ? The scum team is iamp and yamato, game over guys | ||
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On February 02 2013 19:37 Promethelax wrote: My kill was bad bro, I hit town. Should have gone with my instinct and hit Yamato but I had this mental image of Marv calling me a jubjub for shooting a claimed miller and decided sharrent made more sense. JX why are you just sheeping me this game? I hate sheeps and people who buddy me. I'm not good enough to be steeped and I'm to good to be buddied. Imp, you wanna show you ar e town? You keep saying you are a nerfed IC but somehow I'm not seeing it this game. You stopped trying to figure things out. Which is how people know you are town and how they should know I am town. You are spending your time saying you are town instead of being town. Remember who did that first? I would like iamp and JX to claim, would you push them to do so with me ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 22:23 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2013 22:01 Vivax wrote: @ Iamp Here's the case: I will vote for you if Djo is right. What you gonna do about it? Probally call you a retard So, who is yamato scumbuddy according to you ? I'm treating yamato as confirmed scum now that he has clearly shown that he has no interest in this game anymore. @ JieXian I need your role. Please claim ! | ||
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On February 02 2013 22:44 iamperfection wrote: Has to be jx if everyone is telling the truth about claims. well, only Vivax could be lying at this point... Prome and me are not lying at 100%, at least regarding our ability to kill, and I think we are both town vigs. But Vivax being one-shot cop makes sense setup-wise. So I really trust his claim. I still need JX's claim though... | ||
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On February 03 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: VE-VE-VE-VOTECOUNT: yamato77 ( 5 ): Djodref, With 8 people alive it takes 5 to lynch someone. Aren't we only 7 ? | ||
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On February 03 2013 00:38 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 00:05 iamperfection wrote: i can do whatever i want prom I'm the nerfed innocent child remember, Can someone fill me on in the joke here? Whats a nerfed IC? Isnt IC miller? It's a joke... Iamp looks so much town when he is town that he could be considered as an IC | ||
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On February 03 2013 04:38 iamperfection wrote: Guess we got one Don't forget to vote the scum | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:35 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2013 06:23 Djodref wrote: On February 03 2013 04:38 iamperfection wrote: Guess we got one Don't forget to vote the scum I am? On February 03 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: VE-VE-VE-VOTECOUNT: yamato77 ( 5 ): Djodref, With 7 people alive it takes 4 to lynch someone. Sorry, Oats has got me fooled >.< | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:25 Promethelax wrote: Djo, I know you looked at set-up. Tell me why I know what I know. You are working under the assumption that we need 2 V's only for two one-shot vigs. This is something we don't know for sure. Anyway, let me tell you where I am. With the RB flip, I know that we have a minimum of 3 slots for the letters determining the blues. That makes Vivax's claim confirmed by the setup (now that we know that yamato is scum). We cannot trust at 100% each other Vig's claims, but Vivax is confirmed one-shot cop (if he wasn't town enough). To have RB+GF, there is at least 5 slots of letters for the blues. We don't have five letters right now, except if JX claims full cop (but maybe three V letters for two single-shot vigs, I dunno). So there is no GF. So the check on Mocsta is legit. But Mocsta could be SK with the option to appear green to the DT's checks (with the setup VVVCTTT). I don't think you are SK, and I'm not one. But one of the remaining VT guys could be one (except Vivax). | ||
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On February 03 2013 10:45 Mocsta wrote: Good job guys with Yam all; Any point declaring DAy4 lynch candidates? or just wait and see if SK arises, and trust whoever is left can figure out the perfect plan? I'll keep everything related to the setup and plans for just before the deadline ^^ But it feels good to lynch mafia I recommend you to read the whole thread again to figure out who is the last mafia. @ JieXian We still need your claim ! | ||
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On February 03 2013 10:41 Mocsta wrote: nerfed town.. ahh got you. translation: Mocsta = replacement; Im an instant nerf in any game Don't worry, he nerfed scum by replacing marv by yamato I'm going to try to find the last scum now ! | ||
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On February 03 2013 19:37 Promethelax wrote: Pretty sure mafia set up was 2goon and RB. Last scum probably JX, 26 hours gone too long for town. I expect to die tonight. EZ: how you like it? You pushed a town lynch while I pushed scum lynch. Boom! If I can ill try to find serial killer tomorro, if there is one its the only way we could lose. Vivax, I wanna know what you think of things. I really want JieXian to claim his role. He has been too much inactive since we decided to get rid of yamato. What do you think about Toad latest comment (town being nerfed) ? Why do you expect to die, just out of curiosity ? | ||
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On February 04 2013 00:06 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On February 03 2013 23:32 Vivax wrote: They got that through setup at some Point I think. 2 vigs + DT + RB etc. I just hope that there isn't a fourth mafia as "nerf" for town. shush the adults are talking. I want prom and djo to present how they came to the conclusion of what setup we are in. Don't leave any stone unturned I don't think I can wake up on time tomorrow so I'm going to lay down what I know here. First of all, I'd like to say that I was certainly wrong about you. I really don't think you are scum anymore. You could have played the game of your life though Setup Okay, we are sure that town have some blue roles, and we can guess how many we have left given the town flips and the mafia flips. Town has a minimum of 3 single-shot roles given that a scum RB has flipped. For the moment, only VTs have flipped. Among the remaining players, we have three role claims, and an interrogation mark for JieXian (which is the scummiest among us by the way). That makes Vivax, Prom and me almost confirmed town (almost because we are missing JieXian claim). It is important that you should understand that neither Prom nor me are possible SK. If you have some doubts about Prome, just check how he is reacting to my claim. It fits the behavior of a town Vigilante. If you doubt me, please understand that I was derping in the beginning if this game because I thought I could easily become confirmed town with my claim, and that's why I was eager to claim. Now, we don't know how Toad nerfed the setup. I think it is in relation with the vigilante role. We can assume that all vigilantes are nerfed to single-shot vigilante. In this case, we could be in these setups. VVVCTTT => 2 goon, 1 scum RB, 1 SK. The SK could be Mocsta, JieXian or Iamp. The last scum is not Mocsta for sure. VVVVCTT => 1 goon, 1 scum RB, 1 GF. The last scum could be Moscta, JieXian or Iamp. As we don't know how Toad modified the setup, we must be carefull to not rely on it to solve this game. We have to kill the last scum tomorrow (i.e. JieXian or Mocsta) and then take care of a Sk if there is one. I don't think that we have a SK because there is no SK kills yet. But he could have waited for his hour of glory tl;dr Vivax, Prom and Djodref are town. Lynch JieXian tomorrow first (but read the game again first of course). Lynch Mocsta or iamp the next day if needed. Be really careful with this lynch. | ||
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On February 04 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote: Interesting, do we have a medic? No, because nobody claimed medic. I don't see why a medic wouldn't claim at this point. The lack of night kill is confusing, but we have to kill the bad guys. @ JieXian Tell me more about the fact the you are one-shot cop. Show me some posts, some reactions, some behavior which show that you are a one-shot cop, please. | ||
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So, who is the last scum ? | ||
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Why did you not counterclaim Vivax ? You had him as scum and you knew you were one-shot cop. Why didn't you counter-claim him to get him lynched ? Who is scum now ? | ||
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On February 04 2013 11:43 Mocsta wrote: Djo Im bored and asking this for the sake of having something new to read when I press F5. What do you make of Iampefection concerns regarding your setup speculation (top of p107) I think iamp missed the post where I asked Toad in the thread how he handled multiple vigs. I don't think Toad setup tweaks make it very different from a C9++ setup. So I disagree with iamp when he says that the setup is closed ^^ Here is the quote ! On February 01 2013 20:34 Djodref wrote: Could we know how this setup handles multiple vigs ?^^ Pretty please But I chose not to fight over this. It's true that I could have asked more questions to the host. | ||
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On February 04 2013 18:41 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2013 18:23 Djodref wrote: @ JieXian Why did you not counterclaim Vivax ? You had him as scum and you knew you were one-shot cop. Why didn't you counter-claim him to get him lynched ? Who is scum now ? I read the setup wiki prom gave me, 2 one-shop cops are perfectly possible. My claim would do nothing to get him lynched You are lying No breadcrumb whatsoever, no claim earlier on when it would have made sense to claim for a real one-shot cop. Please at least tell us if you shot someone yesterday night ? Or did you forget to send the shot because you were absent ? ##Vote JieXian | ||
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On February 04 2013 18:51 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2013 18:42 Promethelax wrote: clearly you didn't, shall we look at cop roles? C = 1-Shot Cop CC = Cop CCC = Cop, 1-Shot Cop CCCC = 2 Cops CCCCC = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop CCCCCC = 3 Cops maximum of one 1-shot cop. If you are playing that game, shall we look at VG roles? Vigilante Roles V = 1-Shot Vigilante VV = Vigilante VVV = Vigilante, 1-Shot Vigilante VVVV = 2 Vigilantes VVVVV = 2 Vigilantes, 1-Shot Vigilante maximum of one 1-shot VG. Guys we've got our SK Yes, but the OP mentions one-shot Cop and real cop, while it mentions only one-shot Vigs ^^ Where did you read that 2 single-shot cops was possible ? | ||
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On February 04 2013 18:41 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2013 18:23 Djodref wrote: @ JieXian Why did you not counterclaim Vivax ? You had him as scum and you knew you were one-shot cop. Why didn't you counter-claim him to get him lynched ? Who is scum now ? I read the setup wiki prom gave me, 2 one-shop cops are perfectly possible. My claim would do nothing to get him lynched When did you read the wiki ? What do you think about Vivax now ? | ||
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On February 04 2013 19:41 JieXian wrote: ##Vote: iamperfection @ JieXian Could you provide the best case ever against iamp if you are town ? Could you concede if you are scum ? | ||
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His claim is fake, so I'm pretty sure he is the last scum. I don't think we have a SK in this game and I suspect JieXian to have miss the NK because he was absent. I'll put some time in to find a possible SK if we don't reach the endgame when JX is lynched. But for now I just want to take a break ! | ||
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On February 05 2013 00:26 Promethelax wrote: scum forgetting night kills is almost unprecedented. Only exceptions I can think of are LC (never forget) and MTG I. Kush and me also fucked up in Witchcraft Mini Mafia | ||
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I apologize to the people I could have pissed off during this game, this wasn't my intention. I'm more than willing to discuss how to properly play Vigilante ! I must admit that I was laughing internally during N1 though Congratz to everybody. JieXian had fooled me until his claim, and even then I was having some doubts ^^ I would like to have the info about the setup please ^^ What was the nerf ? | ||
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The push of Prom at the end of D1 was really looking like a last ditch attempt to save thrawn from getting lynched ! | ||
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On February 05 2013 03:13 iamperfection wrote: This counts as a loss for marv by the way. Sorry for having doubted you by the way I was really crazy when you wanted to lynch JieXian over yamato (and having him as auto-town). You were the innocent child as usual ^^ I guess that thrawn and you have a annoying meta to deal with when you roll scum. | ||
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On February 05 2013 04:43 Promethelax wrote: not sure what the town nerf was honestly. I think the set-up was pretty good for town. Though even more good with thrawn rolling over dead day one. Like others I left my vote off him hoping to actually get something done day one, though I was planning on simply shooting him night one. I wanted to shoot him night one as well | ||
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