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Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 21:50 GMT
#1514
On January 31 2013 06:45 EmileZola wrote:
okay townslip. in this setup the roles are random, hapa couldnt chose.
sharrant :-)


Where is that mentioned? Is it in the OP and I just missed it?
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 21:55 GMT
#1523
EZ, since you're bringing up the possibility of Yam as his scum buddy, that was one of the theories I didn't want to bring up.

But this has been nagging me for a bit. I don't think Marv would claim miller, however, he said that he had much less time to play. I know it takes a lot of effort to make his scum game appear like his town game, and this is very time consuming for him. Perhaps rolling scum with a limited amount of time to play made claiming miller a much better chance that the 40% chance of being counter claimed. He has less than 40% chance to die, and it gives him a pretty much free pass to the end game even with limited time to play.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 21:58 GMT
#1527
I'm not saying he replaced because he rolled scum. I'm saying he knew he had time issues, which would make that strategy more appealing than if he had time to play in his usual manner. Then things get worse and he does have to replace. The point is that him claiming miller is a better strategy when he knows he has a limited time to play, when comepared to having as much time as he wants.

Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:19 GMT
#1549
Yamato, if you want to lynch me, please put some more effort into it than that. You've had nearly confirmed town status and done nothing with it.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:25 GMT
#1559
Yamato, can you just say that you're scum? You come into the thread, and try to derail the lynch in a scummy way, and then instead of doing ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE AT ALL, you get into an argument with Prom over nothing. I don't care if you don't have time to play, that's cool. But if you're going to show up, use the time that you're here to do literally fucking anything but what you're doing now.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:30 GMT
#1568
After that, I'd feel pretty good about lynching Yamato.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#1577
##unvote
##vote yamato
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:47 GMT
#1591
On January 31 2013 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 07:36 Sharrant wrote:
##unvote
##vote yamato

thought you were voting for jay.

he is currently being saved right now


I would rather have Jay in the game, and give him 72 more hours to show me how he is townie, than a guy who comes in and hard defends him in the one hour per cycle he gives the game. Yamato only showed up to try and derail Jay's lynch. That's real scummy to me.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:48 GMT
#1597
Whoa, lots of action going on right now. I'm giving it 8 more minutes, then I'm switching back to Jay if Yamato is not set to be lynched.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:51 GMT
#1608
On January 31 2013 07:48 EmileZola wrote:
If you seriously screw up the Jaylynch with your last-minute shit.
I thought about this game for hours now and you jerks won't destroy it with your paranoia and shit.

Jay is scum


FINALLY. That makes me happy to see, I feel so much more confident about you being town now.

##unvote
##vote Jay
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 22:52 GMT
#1611
On January 31 2013 07:49 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 07:47 Sharrant wrote:
On January 31 2013 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
On January 31 2013 07:36 Sharrant wrote:
##unvote
##vote yamato

thought you were voting for jay.

he is currently being saved right now


I would rather have Jay in the game, and give him 72 more hours to show me how he is townie, than a guy who comes in and hard defends him in the one hour per cycle he gives the game. Yamato only showed up to try and derail Jay's lynch. That's real scummy to me.

What am I supposed to do if I think he is town and you're not?

Your arguments here are just as bad as your justification for your read on VE.


I'd say read the game, maybe play a little. But when you swing in at the final hour to derail the lynch, that's pretty scummy.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 23:25 GMT
#1640
EZ you seem in remarkably good spirits after this town lynch.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 30 2013 23:28 GMT
#1643
That being said, I'm pretty sure this game is in the bag. Knowing that the mafia didn't get to choose their roles makes me feel better about an xsksc lynch. Now that Jay has flipepd town I'm less inclined to lynch Yamato for now. JX is probably the best place to start, I think either him or xsksc have the best chance to flip scum.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 19:06 GMT
#1815
On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.


Vivax, I'm sorry, I've tried ignoring everything you've taken out of context or twisted because apparently that's what you do. You don't read the thread, you just make shit up as you go along. That's it.

You're wrong about why I gave EZ a town read. I gave EZ a town read because it's a hydra made of two people that I expect two spew anger constantly, AND I SAW NONE OF THAT. That was honestly the scummiest thing about him aside from the connection in Prom's post that I pointed out. And then there's finally some anger. Boom, that was the last piece of the puzzle for me to have him as a town read unless Prom flips and flips red at some point.

You're damn right I considered Thrawn a lurker lynch. He only had two posts of any substance. As scum he should have had a page of filter in day one, usually a little more than that. I rather would have lynched Prom who I had a scum read on at the time. He had gone so far past the point of lurking I was pretty sure he'd just replace out. He was afk day one, not lurking, there's a difference.

I wanted to lynch Yamato for being afk the entire day, up until he comes in and hard defends a guy who has done nothing but sheep and go "this guys scum cuz scum". What the fuck is that? If Thrawn had pulled some bullshit like that, I absolutely would have been on his lynch.

Yeah, I had a rough day 2 because I was 100% sure about VE being scum. And he flipped town, along with so many people doing things that looked scummy it was hard for me to actually get a real read except for a bunch of town reads. That left me with a pool of players that I could make pretty similar cases on.

Yeah, VE attacked me when I went after him, but you know what? Some of the things he has attacked me for I know I'm right on. Everyone that has flipped that wasn'ton Thrawn's wagon has flipped town, and I'm town.

At this point you're just getting annoying. If I have to deal with you constantly trying to get me lynched it's going to make this game annoying to play. Listen to Ghost who had a town read on me right away, just like I had a town read on him. BECAUSE WE BOTH HAD THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS. Listen to IamP who has had me as a town read for most of the game except when I've been a little too lurky because of outside of game factors. Listen to EZ, two very strong players who are looking INCREDIBLY FUCKING TOWNIE and have me as a town read.

Stop twisting my words, stop trying to make a terrible case on me, and start trying to actually lynch scum.

I had to deal with this before I reread the rest of the thread. I saw this post and it just pushed my buttons. I'll be around the computer until day post, but probably with a few gaps in there.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 19:09 GMT
#1816
On February 01 2013 03:12 JieXian wrote:
Just check me so I don't have to deal with you tomorrow

and you better don't claim I'm town because I'm gf >_>


I'm not a big believer in scum slips, but this made me laugh. Can someone back me up that I'm reading that right and he put the words backwards?

That reads to me as "And you better not claim I'm town because I'm GF". I wouldn't give this much credit, but I had to point it out because it made me laugh.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 20:01 GMT
#1819
On February 01 2013 02:25 Vivax wrote:
EZ's huge post moved my prevision to Sharrant>JX>Prom though.


I'm interested. You don't have EZ on your scum list, so he's at least null. And his huge post (a long with the posts where he hard defends me) made you put me as your number one scum read? That's baffling to me. Can you please explain this.

Okay, I've read through all of EZ's notes a few times now. There's no way he's scum buddies with Prom. I still think Prom has a really good chance of flipping scum at this point, especially with posts like this that IamP pointed out

On January 31 2013 11:52 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 10:12 Promethelax wrote:
On January 30 2013 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
On January 27 2013 09:05 Hapahauli wrote:

On January 27 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
Well ill let porm answer since he always complains when I answer questions directed at other people.


Since when does iamp give a fuck about what people think of him?


however one thing i do remember about hapa that made me think he was town is that he was a tiny bit suspicions of me.

Scum hapa would know by now that it is suicidal for him to go after me in any way considering are history.


This, he also tried to figure out what was going on and clearly had some issues with what I was saying. I think after last game he would go for a different target since I had him figured out before he got me killed but wasn't back in the thread to push him. He mentioned something to me in PMs about how he only went for me because he knew I was going to be AFK.

what happened here prom i thought we saw eye to eye on this issue?

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 05:34 Promethelax wrote:
okay guys, I'm throwing my support in the Jay wagon. We need consolidation and I like lynching him over JX, it does indeed take a conspiracy to call JX scum (though its always possible) and his willingness to work with me and interact with me seems genuine, his misunderstandings are a point in his favour actually since sccum can't accuse me on weak shit and expect to get away with it, and he keeps dropping it as soon as I correct him and he understands.

##Vote: Jay

SS, you talked about a mass claim earlier, why do you think that is good and why did you suggest it but not follow it up?

plus you never mentioned jay in between those two posts looks like to me you were voting for a town read.



In my head a Marv/Thrawn/Prom scum team sounds like a properly skilled group out of these players. Yamato has been scummy as all hell since he joined, but I've been reluctant to lynch him on the back of Marv's claim. Prom I had as scum early on but was second guessing myself for a while. I'll drop a bigger post just before the day post, until then everything will be smaller posts.

On February 01 2013 04:21 Vivax wrote:
Yeah that "slip" looked a little weird, but I believe he simply said that I shouldn't claim "You came back town because you're GF".


I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, but it made me laugh so I had to point it out. I put just about 0 weight behind that as a slip.

On February 01 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Sharrant why so dramatic.

Since that alleged scumslip I can't remember pushing you much, you didn't "have to deal with me constantly" at all.

Lay out your detailed thoughts, townreads and scumreads for tomorrow please.

With 2 blue claims you have no reason to be afraid of talking about your townreads.


I haven't been dealing with you constantly because I've felt no need to respond to you because of how terrible your cases were. But this is what I mean

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 01 2013 02:25 Vivax wrote:
EZ's huge post moved my prevision to Sharrant>JX>Prom though.


On February 01 2013 02:50 Vivax wrote:
Can I know from everyone if they would lynch JX or Sharrant tomorrow?


On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:
Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.

You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.

Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.

Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.

Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.

You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.


On February 01 2013 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Scum: EZ + xsksc>Prom>Sharrant

Pretty sure about EZ, unsure about everyone else.

Assuming that there's only one NK tonight.
Do what you want, just posting this for postgame :>


On February 01 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
I think EZ + Sharrant scum team makes sense at this point.


On February 01 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 06:45 EmileZola wrote:
okay townslip. in this setup the roles are random, hapa couldnt chose.
sharrant :-)



Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 07:51 Sharrant wrote:
On January 31 2013 07:48 EmileZola wrote:
If you seriously screw up the Jaylynch with your last-minute shit.
I thought about this game for hours now and you jerks won't destroy it with your paranoia and shit.

Jay is scum


FINALLY. That makes me happy to see, I feel so much more confident about you being town now.

##unvote
##vote Jay




They've given pretty easy reasons to read each other as town so quickly.

I find it weird anyway that you say to a scumread of yours: "OH nice, I'm sure you're town now".
A little of confirmation bias should always be there when you genuinely believe that you're talking to scum.

I suggest you simply read their filters imagining them as scum team.

EZ bussing thrawn with two dangly filters, Sharrant reluctantly calling thrawn a lurker lynch after he suspected him for lurking initially.


On February 01 2013 01:13 Vivax wrote:
What's even more fishy is that Sharrant gives EZ a townread for doing the exact opposite of what he himself wanted to do: Lynch yamato for his behaviour.

That was clearly acting.


On February 01 2013 01:17 Vivax wrote:
Who's with me to lynch either EZ or Sharrant tomorrow?


On February 01 2013 02:24 Vivax wrote:
Why do you think Sharrant, Prom and EZ are town?

All good scum candidates in my book.



Those are just in the last two pages of your filter. So reading just from the flip was pretty frustrating.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 22:56 GMT
#1850
Town reads:

EZ has good reads, and the logs make me certain. There has been some questionable play, but it was cleared up by the logs. Only worried if he makes it to the end game.

Djo is most certainly the vig. There's always the possibility of him being SK, but if it is he's already lost the game I'm fairly certain.

IamP: Still matching his meta perfectly. Only worried if he makes it to the end game.

Vivax: Claim makes him likely town. Possible he's faking but he still falls on the unlikely side of that coin.

Everyone else:

JX: I had waffled a bit on him before, he's not quite a strong enough read to include him as a town read, but I think he's the least likely of anyone not up there to flip scum in my opinion. I can't really figure out a scum buddy for him, and his reads and his attitude seem very townie. His biggest point against him is his actions around the Thrawn lynch.

Yamato: Townie points for the claim, scummy points for his play. I was ready to lynch him last time, I'm still willing to until I see more from him.

Mocsta: I think xsksc's play was scummy, but having a green check was big in his favour, knowing now that the Godfather role was a forced role and not a choice for the scum team I am much less convinced by the check. I don't think he's a bad lynch, but I don't think he's a particularly good lynch yet. Actually, a post IamP made just moved him to second on the list, I'll think about it more after this but his point about trying to direct Djo's shot off the person scum did shoot was sometihng I hadn't thought about.

Promethelax: I'm pretty sure he's scum, I'm waffling between whether I want him or xsksc to flip first as I could see them being a scum team at this point.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
January 31 2013 23:06 GMT
#1865
Good game!
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