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If I don't sign up for another Mini before this starts, I will play in this. /in | ||
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I agree with this decision. | ||
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The quicker it starts, the better, haha. | ||
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So depressing. That's why I want to play in this game so bad. I need to redeem myself. | ||
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But then, so will he, Night 1. :D | ||
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Vote me to get rid of players in hiding. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:12 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: Toad, what's more important to you, a mayor we can easily read as town or a mayor who has good enough reads to lynch scum day 1? getting someone elected who is clearly town should be the priority without a question. I think there are many players that we could elect that would be very easy to read as town. Why are you sold on Sandroba? Isn't the main upside of electing him the fact that he has amazing reads as town and breaks the game? Is he especially easy to read day 1? | ||
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I suppose I'll come out and give my plan for the day. I don't give a flying fuck right now who gets mayor. What I do care about is lynching scum, and to do that town needs to make a consolidated effort to scumhunt day 1 instead of this townhunting idea that Toad wants to put forth. I say we elect mayor based on whether they are scumhunting effectively. If people want to be mayor, they need to scumhunt, pick their day 1 lynch target, and let town decide based on the quality of the read. If there are multiple mayoral candidates who are picking the same target(s), then we can consider things like how easy it is to read that candidate, and how town they are, but I see no reason to waste all of day 1 figuring out who the most amount of people think is town when the name of the game is lynching scum, and the mayor has the sole power to do so today. To be elected mayor, a player needs good scum reads, not just the ability to look town for a cycle. | ||
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I've already been scumhunting. I don't like what Toad wants to do today, which is basically sit on the idea of town reads (insanely easy thing for scum to do) and elect based on reputation. Most of town seems content with that idea, so far, actually, which is quite disturbing. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:49 grush57 wrote: Well I think he meant that everyone is running and whoever is the best scumhunter should get elected. Basically this. Which makes sandroba's "I'm not running for mayor" post a huge fucking red flag in my eyes. Why would any town player not want the chance at being mayor, especially someone with his reputation? It offers protection, something he sorely needs if he is town. | ||
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I see you and I don't actually disagree. I was mistaken, then. @Oats It's pretty obvious that everyone agrees with me, as town is now scum hunting. Mission accomplished. @Mocsta I find my suspicions on Toad unwarranted. I may have to look at some Sandroba scum games to get a better read on him. His excuse is convenient but honestly it means nothing. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:20 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yamato, you seem to not be able or willing to view things from my position. I do care a lot about who becomes mayor, hence my initial candidacy. Why am I just voting the guy who is seen as the strongest town player in here and at the same time the guy who finds JieXian scummy along with me? You only mention the "if he's scum"-argument, that looks like you have a predisposition to paint me scummy in the first place... Why would you want to vote for Chezinu? That is something people that don't care about town would do. I wouldn't put my faith into a guy who speaks in riddles. Your response is that I have confirmation bias because I chose to ignore the parts of your post that anyone could make (town Sandro being good for mayor, etc.) in favor of focusing on the things in your post that I find scummy, which is a general disinterest in the candidates who seem the towniest at the moment, your illogical justification of voting for Sandroba when you can't possibly have a town read on him, and your baseless attack on Chezinu. You have yet to address any of that. All you did was repeat yourself and do all of it some more. Another silly justification for voting Sandroba. Another attack on Chezinu. Put a gun to my head right now and I lynch you. Town makes me mayor and I fulfill that promise. | ||
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Most games he is trying to be that way because he doesn't want mafia to shoot him, but this game he seems to be playing straight up which makes him way easier to read and understand. So the attack is baseless and scummy to make. Chez is not a bad candidate for mayor. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Good to know. So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? Hello yamato. Why would you like a dearestsnot election? Who do you think is scum besides me? Did I say I would like a bugs election? I don't think so. I wanted to know why Toad didn't, but not because I did. I'm not sure yet. People are doing some weird shit this game. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:55 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 09:52 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato On January 21 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Good to know. So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? Hello yamato. Why would you like a dearestsnot election? Who do you think is scum besides me? Did I say I would like a bugs election? I don't think so. I wanted to know why Toad didn't, but not because I did. I'm not sure yet. People are doing some weird shit this game. 1. And why would you want to know why Toad wouldn't want to elect WBG if you don't want to elect him? 2. Wrong answer bro. You find people scummy for attacking Chezinu? Why only me and not FH or prplhz? Cause I want to elect the potentially strongest townie into that seat? Are you, like, trying to OMGUS me right here or something, because I'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick just to try to make me look bad or if you're actually this stupid. Why wouldn't I want to know why Toad doesn't want WBG elected? I find your attack on Chezinu scummy. I didn't say anything about anyone else, nor do I necessarily agree with the "Chezinu Rule" concept. The way you dismissed everyone I consider to be a candidate worth voting for just to justify your useless vote on Sandroba was scummy. The fact that you took extra special attention to blowing off Chezinu makes me think you simply want to discredit his candidacy for reasons I have yet to hear from your mouth. Comprende, hombre? | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:09 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:02 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:55 Vivax wrote: On January 21 2013 09:52 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:49 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato On January 21 2013 09:40 Vivax wrote: Good to know. So, are you in favour of a Chez or a DearestSnot mayor now? Hello yamato. Why would you like a dearestsnot election? Who do you think is scum besides me? Did I say I would like a bugs election? I don't think so. I wanted to know why Toad didn't, but not because I did. I'm not sure yet. People are doing some weird shit this game. 1. And why would you want to know why Toad wouldn't want to elect WBG if you don't want to elect him? 2. Wrong answer bro. You find people scummy for attacking Chezinu? Why only me and not FH or prplhz? Cause I want to elect the potentially strongest townie into that seat? Are you, like, trying to OMGUS me right here or something, because I'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick just to try to make me look bad or if you're actually this stupid. Why wouldn't I want to know why Toad doesn't want WBG elected? I find your attack on Chezinu scummy. I didn't say anything about anyone else, nor do I necessarily agree with the "Chezinu Rule" concept. The way you dismissed everyone I consider to be a candidate worth voting for just to justify your useless vote on Sandroba was scummy. The fact that you took extra special attention to blowing off Chezinu makes me think you simply want to discredit his candidacy for reasons I have yet to hear from your mouth. Comprende, hombre? 1. Cause a) In reality you don't give a shit about WBG being elected b) You don't suspect Toad to be scum anyway. So your question was pointless, you just tried to ask some random shit to look like you're contributing. 2. I don't want to vote for Chezinu cause he trolls and is almost impossible to read. The Chezinu rule has nothing to do with this, you're just mentioning it for I don't know what reason. Probably cause you can't explain why you ignore everyone else speaking against a Chezinu mayor. I am scummy for voting the strongest town player in here. Ok. Speaks for itself. Yamato is scum. Wtf is this bullshit. You're talking out your ass. Toad very well could be scum, how do you know I don't suspect him? Why would I turn down an opportunity to gain information on a player? Why is my fake contribution necessary when I've come up with a very good plan today and am hunting you as my scum target for today? None of that makes any fucking sense at all, you're just making up shit to look like you're suspicious of someone. I don't really give two shits about what other people are saying about Chezinu, because their sentiments seem rational. Yours does not, isn't explained, and was thrown in alongside two other good town mayoral candidates in an attempt to sweep them all aside. You're voting for Sandroba not because you think he's town, but because of the idea that IF he is town, he would be a good candidate. That's a bad reason right now and you're just parking your vote somewhere because you're not getting elected. You are reacting to no one taking your "campaign" seriously and it's scummy. And now you're straight up OMGUSing me for no good reason when rational people think I'm town, because I am town and good at proving it. You picked the wrong guy to fake-tunnel, scum. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. Explain both sides as a third party. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:28 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. Explain both sides as a third party. You're smashing your heads against each other for no particular reason. But that's what people do in mafia. For no reason. You don't think vivax is scummy for the post I pointed out? Why not? | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:31 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:28 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. Explain both sides as a third party. You're smashing your heads against each other for no particular reason. But that's what people do in mafia. For no reason. You don't think vivax is scummy for the post I pointed out? Why not? Illogical != scum. While true, I think the fact that he's illogical is indicative of the fact that he's fabricating his rationale for wasting his mayoral vote on a player he knows won't get elected mayor today for his vote so far. Not caring about who gets mayor is equal to not caring about who gets lynched which is a strong scum tell. He's just particularly invested in hiding his intentions under some shallow "opinions" that don't hold up to scrutiny. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:32 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:28 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. Explain both sides as a third party. You're smashing your heads against each other for no particular reason. But that's what people do in mafia. For no reason. You don't think vivax is scummy for the post I pointed out? Why not? no I don't think he's scummy at all. I think you missed the 'why not' part. Now I'm just trying to decide whether you did it intentionally or not. | ||
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What is the point of all your talk about mayor/sheriff elections and town reads? If you'd bothered to read my filter that supposedly makes me so town, you'd see that I hate this sort of behavior. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:39 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:36 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:32 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:28 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: [quote] @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 11:00 Toadesstern wrote: On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. Explain both sides as a third party. You're smashing your heads against each other for no particular reason. But that's what people do in mafia. For no reason. You don't think vivax is scummy for the post I pointed out? Why not? no I don't think he's scummy at all. I think you missed the 'why not' part. Now I'm just trying to decide whether you did it intentionally or not. he's like the towniest town in this town. Okay Palmar. | ||
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Toad - gut read, hasn't taken a stance on anything meaningful and has been most forceful about things that done matter at all (wbg's candidacy) Vivax - scummy vote post for Sandroba and very scummy responses to my accusations Djodref - famous as scum for 'setup talk', and is similarly wasting his words this game worrying more about who should or shouldn't be mayor and why or why not, plus his out if nowhere town read on me | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:56 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote: On January 21 2013 10:50 Djodref wrote: On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote: On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote: I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ? as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats. Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons. If there's one thing I learned from LVIII it is that this type of reasoning for thinking someone is scum is more often wrong than right, especially when it applies to those two, because they were both lurkish as town and different from their more 'normal' town games. | ||
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Your only qualification for him being town is that he seems to 'give a fuck' about the game, but I'm not sure I see his particularly caring attitude after he realized he wasn't getting elected to mayor. I'll think about you guys' prplhz lynch idea but I hate sitting on the idea of lynching someone who isn't posting to make it controversial. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote: What made you change your mind Fivetouch? I thought your answer to why you didnt want to be mayor was So what changed? Yamato Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote: On January 20 2013 13:49 grush57 wrote: Well I think he meant that everyone is running and whoever is the best scumhunter should get elected. Basically this. Which makes sandroba's "I'm not running for mayor" post a huge fucking red flag in my eyes. Why would any town player not want the chance at being mayor, especially someone with his reputation? It offers protection, something he sorely needs if he is town. Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 20:32 yamato77 wrote: I find my suspicions on Toad unwarranted. I may have to look at some Sandroba scum games to get a better read on him. His excuse is convenient but honestly it means nothing. So red flag became null read? Why? The excuse is a null tell. The not running thing is still scummy. This is lazy scum hunting and I want to lynch you for it. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:34 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 11:22 DearestSnot wrote: prplhz's lack of posting isn't that odd, it's 03:20 CET. Why Vivax for elected position? Or Toad LOL I wasn't talking about right now but in general. I do know that it's 3:20 CET. About why me or Vivax: Because those two are pretty much confirmed town. I'm a bit more so than vivax but the paranoia is too strong in people. Mainly me. You are not confirmed town. Now you do sound like Palmar. What's even more disturbing is your own admittance that you hate giving town reads and focusing on them but you aren't scumhunting. Why. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:38 DearestSnot wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 11:36 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 11:34 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 11:22 DearestSnot wrote: prplhz's lack of posting isn't that odd, it's 03:20 CET. Why Vivax for elected position? Or Toad LOL I wasn't talking about right now but in general. I do know that it's 3:20 CET. About why me or Vivax: Because those two are pretty much confirmed town. I'm a bit more so than vivax but the paranoia is too strong in people. Mainly me. You are not confirmed town. Now you do sound like Palmar. What's even more disturbing is your own admittance that you hate giving town reads and focusing on them but you aren't scumhunting. Why. Trying to figure out why Toad says things sometimes is a pretty fruitless endeavour. He says all sorts of shit only to contradict himself in the same or next sentence. He made a really big deal about it in the early game when I accused him. I don't know, I just find toad really scummy this game and I haven't before. It's odd enough for me to make sure he doesn't get elected. | ||
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I don't like a single thing you are posting this game and you expect me to want to vote for someone you're supporting. What is this stupidity. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:47 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote: Why is Toad acting like Palmar? I don't like a single thing you are posting this game and you expect me to want to vote for someone you're supporting. What is this stupidity. because I'm in the position to post like that :3 Are you? Because I think a lot of people think you're full of shit right now and aren't so high on Vivax. | ||
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I am not voting for Vivax, Toad, Djo, or any other random person running. | ||
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A bunch of useless campaigning, some dumb town reads and a bunch of people sitting on an easy scum read. Are all of you convinced scum are just sitting on their asses not trying to get themselves or others elected? | ||
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Right now all I see is a bunch of playing foil to me and trying to piss me off. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:05 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote: This game has turned into exactly what I didn't want it to. A bunch of useless campaigning, some dumb town reads and a bunch of people sitting on an easy scum read. Are all of you convinced scum are just sitting on their asses not trying to get themselves or others elected? Keep up that attitude, and you will get my vote. Is this sarcasm, or are you serious? | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 12:03 yamato77 wrote: Toad explain to me how you think what you're doing is townie at all. Right now all I see is a bunch of playing foil to me and trying to piss me off. it's not about youl... I mean there's a pretty damn well reason why everyone out of Sandro / WBG / FT and myself as both of Vivax and you down as pretty certain town and it's reassuring to see that all 4 of us came to that conclusion (might answer some of those "why are you suddenly talking about a townread" questions). And so far neither of us has explained it so it's not a problem. So unless you think all 4 of us are mafia there's no reason for you to be concerned right now, unless you're mafia yourself... Same goes for the way I'm posting. There's reasoning behind it and noone of importance has an issue with it for a reason :3 How do I know all of you aren't mafia? It's highly unlikely, but I don't exclude the possibility. The fact that none of you feel compelled to explain your town read on Vivax is disturbing. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:11 annul wrote: not funny, but still useless post considering it's you.Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 05:38 Toadesstern wrote: Annul mind telling us some of your thoughts? You're one of the preferred guys to vote for me but you're not really giving me anything to go with... blatant OMGUS? FOS vivax Other than that there's only your first post of the game to go by. [/QUOTE] well, as i said, i went to a laser tag tournament last night and then i went right to sleep. i have had maybe 90 minutes looking at this thread since the game started. however, pointing out bad play like vivax's line there is hardly "useless" no matter who says it.[/QUOTE] Annul, when you get caught up in the thread I want your updated opinion on Vivax. Also on Toad. | ||
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Stop lurking deebs. If you're town I want your input here. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity This is my third game with Vivax, he is no noob. Also, I am in an obs thread with him for an ongoing game where he has shown very good scum hunting skills. I see none of his town thinking in his play this game. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:44 annul wrote: also, toad's read on vivax is pretty questionable. vivax is playing very not-pro-town right now and toad literally thinks he is "the second most confirmed town, next to himself?" waaaaaaaaaat he is slightly more on the red side of the spectrum for me right now. he accounts for like 12% of the game's posts right now, and he has put a lot of information on the table. if i am right and toad is red, it is certain that he has linked himself to other reds in the game based on his day 1 play. i would not be upset with a vivax day 1 kill, because i think he is red, and 1. it kills a red d1, and 2. it keeps toad on the table and if his play continues to reveal him as being red, then we get 2 days of him digging holes for his team instead of 1 day. Finally someone who isn't talking straight gibberish. This guy understands what I'm saying. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:43 debears wrote: Btw I think Djo would be a good lynch option today or tomorow I'm looking at the vivax/yamato reaction I believe yamato to be more likely scum out of the two more coming after i read the last 6 pages Debears what the fuck. Are you high? | ||
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Sandro is close to red for how lazy his scumreads are. Five and WBG are in a similar area to Sand, but WBG looks the towniest of them all so far. I would lynch into any of the first three. | ||
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I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. | ||
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You still have yet to explain how I am even wrong. Stop posting bullshit attacks on me and get your shit together or I swear I will get you lynched. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:16 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 13:10 yamato77 wrote: I'm not going to be wrong forever. You still have yet to explain how I am even wrong. Stop posting bullshit attacks on me and get your shit together or I swear I will get you lynched. the point is that you keep on posting "guy is annoying / disagrees with me therefore he has to be mafia" and people have repeatetly told you so. In every single game, every single read I have ever seen from you and you're doing it again. That's not a mafiatreat. I have yet to see a single reason for lynching anyone you porposed as "mafia" because nothing you mentioned comes even close to being something a mafia is likely to do instead of a townie. You know, like stuff that was mentioned about oats, the fact that he felt like defending someone out of nowhere for no reason, which, as you might have realized as well is something that everyone out of WBG / Sandro / Five / myself has mentioned as something incredibly scummy, except for Annul. Yet you're sitting here telling me Annul is your savior while Sandro / WBG / Five / myself (+Vivax because everyone but you thinks he's town?!?) are all mafia scheming some ridiculious 4 man mafia plan. You guys are picking players who are insanely easy to pick on to have scum reads. Oats is scummy even as town, and does weird shit as any alignment. If he wanted to defend JX, I don't think it's scummy behavior. JX was under heat from a few players and he gave his read in the matter, one I agree with. Prphlz seems similar, though I don't know him as well. What I do know is that the guy doesn't post a lot and he doesn't read blatant town so it is easy to pick on him because no one is going to disagree with you. He may very well be mafia but nothing he's done screams scum to me. What else has this vaunted "supergroup" of yours done? Circle jerk each other and call other people bad. Wow, I should totally sheep you guys. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:31 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote: Djo, Toad, Vivax all lean red. Sandro is close to red for how lazy his scumreads are. Five and WBG are in a similar area to Sand, but WBG looks the towniest of them all so far. I would lynch into any of the first three. @ Yamato Why the scum read on me ? I don't like what you're doing today. I think I've explained this read in my filter already. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:25 Mocsta wrote: yamato.. i have to agree with toad on this one (unfortunately) that listing was stupid, and contains all the active vets. your trying to canabilize active players for whatever fallacies you choose. I am suspicious of Toads motives currently; but there are also a bunch of people who have posted SWEET FUCK ALL in over 24hrs.. How convenient that we are canibalizing.... As for oats being scum.. I said I would read his filter. When I get home from work, I will do so. Djo's points on oats, on first glance read well... but will make up my mind after filter check. 2 of those vets are smurfing. One is WBG, a player I know to have reads different from mine almost always, so him wanting to lynch those people means little. The other, however, I don't know and doing trust. Sandroba is noticeably different from when I played with him as town. Gone is his aggressive scum hunting, replaced by a soft, agreeable tone of uncertainty that does not belong to town Sandroba. Toad is being Toad. He might be town, as his interaction with me is wholly unnecessary as scum, and he refuses to explain himself which is annoying, but actually a town tell when you get right down to it. I'm probably wrong about him. Djo is neither a vet nor is he being useful with his activity. I would definitely lynch him. Vivax I might be tunneling a bit because I saw one really scummy post and jumped. I still think his play is worth a look. I have counts about my reads but most if the time I don't post them because there's no point in second guessing myself openly. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] + remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. It's a "too stupid to be scum" defense I guess. Though I thought the same thing about him on Day 1 of YANMM when I thought he was being scummy, so I ignored him then. He was attacking people on Wiggles' wagon and posting really dumb attacks on me for doing townie things. I can see how some if that could be surfacing this game, just manifesting in his stupid post there, and his OMGUS of me that made zero sense and felt like desperation, | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote: Yamato, the chances of Vivax being scum are kind of low I think. He's had a LOT of posts, even more than when he was town in games like Can't Believe and the like. Also seems too confident to be scum. At worst let him be for a few days, if he's scum he'll surely "break" and go lurking or something. Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. Debears is being weird, I agree, but he's been weird for a few games now so I don't know what to make of it yet. Grush is always like this IIRC. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:50 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 13:42 yamato77 wrote: [<snip> Djo is neither a vet nor is he being useful with his activity. I would definitely lynch him. <snip> So do you want to lynch me because I'm useless or because I'm scum ? What do you make a my last post about Oats ? + Show Spoiler [here] + On January 21 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: On January 21 2013 12:18 Djodref wrote: But I think we should privilege a player looking obviously town than a good player for sheriff. Hence my candidature Noted that you followed up on Clarity not once, but twice. Please indulge your scum read/lynch candidate if you were instated. I would like to see some detailed insight too pls. As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town. Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. Show nested quote + On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Got sniped by yamato, URGH. Grush, Mkfuba, Jiexian Annul. Where did you guys go?? Especially Annul. Pops in, posts random shit and fucks off. I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad Reasoning for lynching me Oats looks like a decent lynch uhuh. Besides that post, you havent mentioned scum at all. Why do you care so much about my scum read on you? I have said what I think about Oats. You making a case on him after everyone else calls him scum doesn't make me see you any townier. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:55 gonzaw wrote: I only remember debears claiming SK on that other game, I don't remember any other games from his. Does he act like this as scum (troll and not give a shit about anything)? He has his previous games in his profile so I'll go check some of those He kind of did this early in LVIII. Though later it got a lot better, so time will tell with him I suppose. | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team? I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p This post made me realize something. Vivax isn't even campaigning anymore, you're doing it for him because of how bad of a job he did. Lolol. If either of you flip scum at some point in this game I fucking called it. | ||
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On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game. On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for. I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. | ||
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On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote: yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game. Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 21:24 yamato77 wrote: I'm torn on this game at the moment. On one hand, I think I am confirming my own bias when it comes to Toad's play this game. On the other, he keeps doing shit I want to call him scum for. I would really rather see him just die so I can begin to understand this game a bit better. It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town. This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience. Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote: I'd be most willing to give WBG a pass because I know him quite well by now and I don't think it's alignment indicative that he wants to lynch people I would call Lynchbait. I would say it is for Sandroba, and this Fivetouch character who apparently wants to be taken seriously. This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself. The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history. Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having? I suppose I do have a penchant for ignoring lurking players, hm. This post is insightful, and definitely something I have a hard time believing a mafia player to make. They would much rather me continue to be destructive and stupid. I have conflicting opinions of the two players you want to lynch. On one hand, they are being scummy on their own, as is evident to me at this point. On the other, they do seem like rather easy targets to pick on when they are town, which makes me doubt their true alignment, and consider meaningfully the implications of their flip on the players that are pushing them. I want to make sure I hold you guys accountable for these lynches, if you are indeed elected. While I don't disagree with them on the basic premise you put forth, I am highly suspicious and paranoid about the alignment of these veteran players, especially given that I know Toad and Bugs to be good scum players. Perhaps this is the bias I am confirming here. For now I think I feel confident enough in you being town to give you the mayoral seat. What I don't want is Toad or Vivax as sherrif, so that is where I am going to use my vote for influence. Would anyone necessarily be opposed to me getting that position? | ||
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On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else): You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam. You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences. Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly. @ debears Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice. I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat. @ gonzaw There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer. I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me. @ Toad I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town. I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot. You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve. I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages. If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm. But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play. How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more. I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information. I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way. Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts. I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet. You will absolutely not regret me being elected. Don't try to change history. I was the one who started our interaction, and you did nothing but OMGUS me. Don't act like it was some calculated move to get a read on me, because you posting dumb shit and then attacking me for calling you out is not good town play at all. You have yet to qualify your scum read on me for anything that isn't OMGUS. I will henceforth be ignoring you because I am, indeed, listening to other players I think are town who say you are, too. | ||
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On January 21 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote: Lol yamato. It's going to be hard for you to keep up the acting, you are trying to look so indignant and angry. Say, why do you think Djodref is scum? Would you support a candidate who wants to lynch him? His scum hunting attempt is a late case on a player already under fire. The entire rest of his filter is focusing solely on elections and town reads, things which are incredibly easy for scum to do and also quite easy to blend in on. He is also obsessed with getting me to change my read on him which is odd, to say the least. But if you'd bothered to read my filter, all of this is already there in various parts, which suggests you haven't read my filter, which tells me you're just trying to fling shit at me. What's your town agenda for trying to post-hoc justify your OMGUS of me? | ||
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I don't think you have any intention of trying to get me lynched, because I don't think a single player other than yourself is even slightly suspicious of me. Drop the charade. Image-focused play is scum play. | ||
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On January 21 2013 23:06 Vivax wrote: @ Yamato Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo? @ Oatsmaster Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role? If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well. I especially looked at his town meta: Looney lynching - town → More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game. Rockband Mini - town → Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately). Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts. The mayoral spot is fine going to Five. I would much rather have the sheriff be me. | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 02:11 yamato77 wrote: Austin, Stutters definitely plays like this day 1 as town, I played with him in YANMM and it looks identical. Did you play with him in the other three games linked above? If so, does his play this game look identical to those? If not, does his play this game look identical to those? The problem is that you have failed to show how any perceived difference in his play from those newbie games equates to him being scum, when I have firsthand experience with Stutters as a town player and he looks very similar to this game. He doesn't have a scum game for you to show similarities to, but your case on him is weak in its current form. | ||
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This is my third game with him. Also, you can ask for the obs QT for Dessert Mini and read through that, paying attention to Vivax' posts and people's opinion of them. I do not think he is a noon, or bad at the game. What I do think is that he's been suspicious. Anyone supporting Vivax is suspicious. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote: Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points. You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration. And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky. I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town. Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote: On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote: Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points. You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration. And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky. I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town. Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim? You are trading a vote on you for "townie points" to a person you were earlier suspicious of. You explain away your half-assed mayoral campaign on time zone differences. You justify your stupid OMGUS with shitty logic. And to top it all off, you downplay your own ability to play the game in a situation where it is beneficial for people to think of you as less skilled. Scum claim. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:17 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote: On January 22 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote: On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote: Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points. You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration. And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky. I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town. Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky. I'm just going to treat this post as a scum claim, because trying to take it at face value is mind boggling. It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point. You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie. But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim? You are trading a vote on you for "townie points" to a person you were earlier suspicious of. You explain away your half-assed mayoral campaign on time zone differences. You justify your stupid OMGUS with shitty logic. And to top it all off, you downplay your own ability to play the game in a situation where it is beneficial for people to think of you as less skilled. Scum claim. To add to this; I believe you've been doing exactly the same sort of posting since the beginning of the game. You're doing what you think others will find you townie for, not of your own volition. Your scum hunting attempts are half-assed, your mayoral campaign is half-assed, and every time you post I just smell scum on you. You defend yourself constantly. As I said before, you're playing an image-focused game, and it's scummy as shit. I really want to see your flip. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:33 Toadesstern wrote: ##unvote ##vote Toadesstern On January 22 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern I have never seen two town players buddy so hard day 1. You two are either masons or scumbuddies. I have no reason to believe that you are masoned, so I think you're just scum. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:45 Toadesstern wrote: and we're back to this again. You guys are making it too fucking obvious for me to ignore. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:51 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 03:48 yamato77 wrote: On January 22 2013 03:45 Toadesstern wrote: and we're back to this again. You guys are making it too fucking obvious for me to ignore. Well I have no control over his actions One of you is almost certainly scum, and I'm inclined to believe you both are. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:51 sandroba wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 03:41 yamato77 wrote: Sandroba I want to know why you think FT is Palmar and what you think that means about his intentions with his play so far today. His post on you was pretty palmarish. I think he means well, but I'm actually not so sure about prpl. A lot of his posts seem genuine to me. I agree with the sentiments expressed here. What bugs me is the idea that if this is Palmar, and he is indeed smurfing, I am inclined to believe he would do so with the express intention of making a power play (as he's doing now) as mafia. Obviously he made the decision before he got his role PM, but nonetheless it is a paranoia that I am subject to. On another note, I am leaving for work, and I won't be back until after the deadline. I'm voting for myself because I want to be sheriff, and I don't see any reason not to put me in that position. No one that isn't mafia thinks I'm suspicious at all. I believe I can do well with JK powers, as my ability to ascertain good town reads on veteran players is actually better than I let on. | ||
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Though these ninja votes by Vivax/Stutters onto Toad are fucking suspicious as shit. | ||
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Make fucking sure those two do not get elected. No fucking idea why they're acting the way they are. | ||
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I've only been shouting it for the last 24 hours. I'm not so happy if Toad gets sherrif but I am not outright opposing it any longer. Vivax being retarded shouldn't affect my read of toad. | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:27 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote: Austin finding out my problem with Vivax's play this whole game. I've only been shouting it for the last 24 hours. I'm not so happy if Toad gets sherrif but I am not outright opposing it any longer. Vivax being retarded shouldn't affect my read of toad. what do you make of the information that I'm a masoned and masoned Sandro 10 secs into d1? Think I'd do that as mafia? I thought you masoned Vivax, but Sandro makes sense too. | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:41 Vivax wrote: → implying he thought I've been masoned when he said me and Toad are scum together. → implying it makes sense for a scum toad to contact sandro. - implying that I care about what you have to say about me + Show Spoiler + I don't. + Show Spoiler + But for the record, I just recently came to the conclusion that Toad was mason. It actually made me think the reason for his unexplained read on you/Sandro wasn't because you guys were mafia together, but because of a mason link. Sandro changed my thought on that. Furthermore, you misrepresenting what I'm saying yet again is disturbing. Toad might be town Mason, but that doesn't mean you aren't scum fooling him. | ||
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I would spend your time looking at other players. Funny, coming from me, but Grush plays like this often. Only time will tell with him. | ||
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I am going to include my reasons for doubting my initial inclination, but I want to make a condensed version of what I have noted on his play already in my filter. I will consider it the last thing I will say on the matter until something changes, or it becomes apparent to me that other people are also catching on to the issues I bring forth about Vivax's play. But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons. | ||
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My appeal to you to discontinue your pursuit of Grush is that I don't think anything he is going to do in response to your accusations is going to change your mind. | ||
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On January 22 2013 14:33 DearestSnot wrote: I personally don't find any reason to defend grush's play as townlike, nor do I find it plausible that he is actually as readable as yamato says he is. Certainly, there are games in which grush has made himself relatively readable but I don't think this is one of them. Note that I don't think there's necessarily any reason to call grush scum either, but I do think that people like him need to be threatened with lynch more, as the forum suffers greatly from indirectly encouraging that type of play. I think it needs to end so that games aren't overloaded with deadweight townies. I understand this appeal, and I agree with it, but town is usually averse to the idea of lynching a player they can't get a read on. I don't think there's much we can do other than straight up lynch him or wait for him to be more readable. I would consider his continued absence in the thread tantamount to a scum claim, so perhaps later on in day 2 if he's done nothing else and town hasn't outright caught scum, we can more seriously entertain the idea of lynching him. Right now, though, I am more willing to give him a chance because I think the possibility that he is town and playing like this is higher than other people who are doing similar disappearing/blending acts, such as Clarity or Annul. I think Annul, especially, deserves a hard inspection tomorrow as his encouragement of my suspicions on Vivax and Toad could certainly be seen as fanning the flames, and he never really substantiated his read on Vivax in particular despite insisting that he be lynched. His mayoral campaign, if you can call it that, was extremely weak. I don't feel like he gave a shit at all about what town was trying to do yesterday, which colors my read on him quite red. | ||
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On January 22 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote: Well regardless.. I meant what I said about the appeal to authority. The vets obviously know more about the game than we do.. they can use that experience to aid us, or abuse us.. I think they keep saying.. "vet says do it this way" to test if we have the balls to think for ourselves. if we capitulate and give in, we are just useless townies that town/mafia vets can exploit as needed. If vets provide substantiated reads; at least I can make a judgement on whether they are trying to help town or not. That is precisely why I haven't given up on my read of Vivax. I'm not discouraging your read, I'm just telling you that spending your time trying to make Grush do stuff probably isn't going to work. | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Useless post Mocsta. Ok so who would you be willing to lynch at this point? The better question is, who would YOU be willing to lynch outside of Stutters? Hm? | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:10 DearestSnot wrote: don't forget, there are double lynches this game. We can vote for a double lynch tomorrow, and I think we should. On day 3 a double lynch will be really really helpful, seeing as it's probably the only time we'll have enough useful people who are still alive to organize a proper lynch effort to make it worthwhile, and at the same time we will probably be needing extra KP to get rid of people who aren't doing anything. If we choose not to enact double lynch tomorrow then it will encourage further lurking on the part of mafia. I also agree with this, for extra reasons. While the town mayor is still alive, it is in our best interest to abuse his extra voting power to the maximum, and the early application of the double lynch, and thus double of his votes, allows us to do that. Plus, it makes mafia players take more stances in one day than they normally would, which gives us more information, which is always better to have earlier, rather than later. Doublevote tomorrow, it's the pro-town thing to do. | ||
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Aside from my bias against Vivax, which I am trying to reconcile, my red reads are as follows: Annul Djo Clarity Oats For reasons I and other have mentioned about their play. Do you agree or disagree with these targets for tomorrow? | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:46 debears wrote: All you people can't you see, can't you see How your love's affecting our reality Every time we're down You can make it right And that makes you larger than life Debears. Provide substance. | ||
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I know you said he was probably town for how he reacted to me, and the fact that he appeared to care about the game, but is that all of the town tells you find in his filter? | ||
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Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down. Original Message From grush57: Show nested quote + Original Message From yamato77: You masoned me and have yet to PM me. What are your reads so far for the game? Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something. I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you. I think gonzaw is townie, good posts. I don't like vivax. Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot. Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time. Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle. I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information. | ||
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On January 22 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 22:38 AxleGreaser wrote: EBWOP On January 22 2013 22:12 FiveTouch wrote: Given I'm pretty much guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place. On the basis of Lynching Scum D1 I take it? I know its uber ballsy as a scum Bus for Mayor to Lynch a team mate but..., but doesn't the 3 vote situation kind of level that? Are there any conditions under which you would no longer be "guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place." Just asking for your reasoning and any limits you have on your new status. There really is no reason for a mafia mayor to lynch one of his team-mates on Day 1. An often neglected aspect of mafia lynches on Day 1 especially is that it gives a large amount of information on a lot of players in the game. There's far more to be gleaned from a mafia flip than a town flip, so the lynch isn't just about me, it's about all the players. I pushed my candidates in an open and transparent way, and perhaps even more importantly I managed to close the chasm that was threatening to open between the more experienced and the newer players. I'll continue to play in the same vein, and people can continue to judge me on my play, but there is no reason to think I could be mafia. A question for you Axle - given you were so against electing a smurf on the basis of readability, how does this line up with your decision to support Chezinu, another player notoriously difficult to read? Just as an added bonus to anyone still with doubts about FT, I have arrived at the same conclusion that he wants you to arrive to in this post for the same reasons he gives. If you think I am town, you should trust FT/Palmar/GMarshal/Syllo/Foolishness, even despite the fact that he is smurf. His play suggests nothing but veteran town leader. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato, why did you feel the need to answer that question? To express my general disinterest for muddying the waters talking about a nearly unreadable player who was on the right side of the lynch, albeit for his own strangely accurate reason. Unless you think that something he has done suggests that he is mafia, there's little reason to question him over the other people that Toad and I listed. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Was it aimed at you? I dont think so. Was it even aimed at learning more about Chez? I dont think so. What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment? Why do you seem to be suggesting that I am defending Djodref when I think he is quite possibly mafia? Please think before you post. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I am this close to screaming my head off yamato, thank you. Gonna ignore what you said until it makes sense. I'm just trying to ascertain what it is you're attempting to do. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:11 sandroba wrote: @grush I'm waiting on some explanation on that mason deal. Please enlighten me of your thought process when using that role. I'm glad someone took notice of it. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:22 sandroba wrote: I actually reread annul's filter and I found some townie tidbits in it. If you are a vig please shoot into stutters/bke. Are you in support of the idea of lynching him tomorrow? | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:45 mkfuba07 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 04:38 yamato77 wrote: Austin, I already outed Grush as mason. Are people reading my filter? I think austin is still working through the thread. He just came to sandroba's mason discussion I think. I'm also interested in what people (particularly grush) have to say about the yamato/grush mason post, but I don't really know what to make of it either. A quick question that I think I know the answer to but I want to confirm. Are bodyguards alerted to the fact that they're bodyguards, or do only the elected officials know who they are? Fuba, what is your natural inclination about Grush's alignment given what he's posted, and the mason PMs I posted? | ||
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Who those people are, I have only clues, but you're definitely thinking like I am in this situation. | ||
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What do you hope to accomplish with those type of posts? Honestly it's completely mafia motivated to do what you just did at this time. | ||
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I want to hear this one. Please, go on. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:33 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 06:13 austinmcc wrote: Do you believe scumtoad would start swinging more votes towards him by half-claiming mason like this: On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote: When the logic is kind of crappy given that there are mafia masons? Serious question. I don't actually have a great handle on what his reputation is, exactly, as scum.what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? its wifom to decide "what scum___ would do" and besides, i do not use metagame analyses whatsoever in my reads. however, if i, personally, were a mafia mason, i would love to be sheriff, because this is a massive hit to the town if so. however, if i were mafia at all, i would have an infinitely better play. Calls something WIFOM. Posts more WIFOM with a cherry on top. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:34 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 06:31 yamato77 wrote: Oh, so I'm mafia? I want to hear this one. Please, go on. TYL there is a difference between attacking someone and flat-out calling them red. but yes, i AM attacking you. and you have already "heard this one" -- read my posts. it's pretty simple to do. bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit | ||
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Also, in that post of mine you quoted, I did not say I had suspicions of him first, simply that what you were doing was fanning the flames of my suspicions, which is still true based on the timing of your posts, regardless of whether you had those suspicions or not. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:40 annul wrote: and yes, that is a pretty major difference. i know (not "suspect" not "guess" not "analyze") what i would do in each situation; therefore, it is not wifom for me to say this about myself. whether you believe it is up to you, but looking at the situation and applying them to see if they fit (inductive logic) is a fine move to make On January 23 2013 06:33 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 06:13 austinmcc wrote: Do you believe scumtoad would start swinging more votes towards him by half-claiming mason like this: On January 22 2013 05:45 Toadesstern wrote: When the logic is kind of crappy given that there are mafia masons? Serious question. I don't actually have a great handle on what his reputation is, exactly, as scum.what if I post something that makes me almost certainly town for everyone and also a damn good candidate for being sheriff. Should I do that and would people be voting me if I did it? its wifom to decide "what scum___ would do" and besides, i do not use metagame analyses whatsoever in my reads. however, if i, personally, were a mafia mason, i would love to be sheriff, because this is a massive hit to the town if so. however, if i were mafia at all, i would have an infinitely better play. So you want me to believe you weren't talking about Toad AT ALL with that line there? I don't buy it. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:43 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote: If you even bothered to read the game you would know why I stopped tunneling Vivax, and also exactly why what I think you're doing is mafia motivated. Also, in that post of mine you quoted, I did not say I had suspicions of him first, simply that what you were doing was fanning the flames of my suspicions, which is still true based on the timing of your posts, regardless of whether you had those suspicions or not. how can i possibly be fanning the flames of YOUR suspicions? the phrasing of that is off. more like "you were fanning the flames of MY suspicions, but stopped for some reason." TIMING IS EVERYTHING. Your "suspicions" of Vivax were never substantiated beyond his "anti-town" play and his "OMGUS" of me. You came in when I was completely tunneled on Toad/Vivax and sided with me for weak reasons. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:58 annul wrote: btw mafia has 2 KP, so the third death is either town vig/jack or mafia jack using their shoot power. Don't worry about being useful to town or anything. | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:03 annul wrote: go fuck yourself Is this honestly all you're going to do in the game as town sets up to lynch you, speculate on NK/setup? | ||
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On January 23 2013 11:05 annul wrote: i am not worried about being lynched. Why is that? | ||
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On January 23 2013 21:18 Vivax wrote: I'm not calling you retard. I'm calling you scum. You didn't save the guy you consider to be the best townie in this game to jail whom? Bugs? I'm not buying it. That isn't solid play and doesn't align with your view on sandro. If I think you're scum then it's cause I would expect a higher standard from you as town. Scum hit 3/3 despite the huge insecurities in play. Especially the hit on sandroba was super risky. If they took that risk they should have taken the risk of hitting Bugs just to be sure, but they didn't. They went in precisely like a swiss clock. They took two players that weren't particularly threatening for them and that weren't particularly threatened by a lynch. Spit out who you are masoning this cycle. Wow. Just, wow. Why is there suddenly a push from Vivax right now to discredit Toad? Why does Vivax want to call Toad mafia today for these terrible reasons? Why does Vivax awnt to ignore our basically confirmed-town mayor? Why does Vivax wwant to muddy the waters with his Gonzaw/Toad/Oats association bullshit? This guy is playing disruption today. Lynch him over Annul, for justice. | ||
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I'll be here tomorrow with a better idea of who I think is mafia. Right now there are definitely some weird things going on. | ||
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On January 24 2013 03:51 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 03:40 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to have to reassess what I think of this game, and I don't have the time to do it today. I'll be here tomorrow with a better idea of who I think is mafia. Right now there are definitely some weird things going on. For example you not being your tunnely self -you usually are as town- since day1 despite trying to look like you feel suspicious about certain things. Sorry, Napoleon. I know you shouldn't tell your enemies when they make mistakes. The only reason I am not tunneling the shit out of you right now is because FT says you are town and I am trying not to shit up the thread with useless posting. Be wary of calling me mafia. If I was mafia I wouldn't be posting NEARLY as much as I am. | ||
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On January 24 2013 04:50 Vivax wrote: Why did you take all this time just to dodge my questions and call me an idiot though? You could post counter-examples. I really just don't give a shit about your opinion. You're not going to get me lynched anyway so what's the point? | ||
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Are you going to get me lynched? No. Are you trying to associate me with FT? That's fine, I don't care, he's town, I'm town, and we're fucking happy about it. Are you trying to associate me with Gonzaw like you did with Toad? Really productive there. | ||
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On January 24 2013 05:04 Vivax wrote: Why are you saying that FT is town but gonzaw isn't Because I haven't had the time to filter Gonzaw yet. Seriously, just leave this alone. If by some fucking miracle you are town you need to realize you're pursuing an unproductive line of thought in believing that Ft/Toad/Yamato/Gonzaw is the four-man scum team you're looking for. Right now I'm far more inclined to think you're just mafia shitting up the thread and causing confusion. I would kill you except for FT's read on you. | ||
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On January 20 2013 19:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok, so my plan for voting for the mayor is to vote for a mayor, 1) I think that is town 2) I think that is able to smack down(figure out) the scum. So basically, standerd stuff. So far, Gonzaw has a lot of activity but ima wait and see if its town motivated or scum motivated. I dont like Vivax entrance and subsequent disappearance but I mean its a null tell. He has got to know he would be called out like that. Axle, Please try to make your posts coherent to the people here, if we dont understand you, you will get ignored/lynched/vigged/unlikely nk This post of Oats, along with other things like his willingness to give out reads, his overall activity level, and his fairly unnecessary (if mafia) case on Gonzaw, makes me believe that he is town. The fact that he's continued to pursue his read on Gonzaw today is quite telling to me. When he posted the case at night, I believed he would have done so with the idea that it was cheap town cred to do something like this at night when there was no lynch on the line. However, today I see that he's fairly invested in the idea that Gonzaw is mafia, something that I feel a lot of people are at the moment. Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town. Plus, I agree with WBG's logic regarding the BGs, and not lynching them at the moment. Unless you are absolutely certain Oats is mafia, I do not feel like it is worth it to lynch him today. That's my thought on that situation. I think he might be town, and I'm not sold on lynching him yet even if others believe otherwise because he, if town, is valuable protection for our elected roles. On to my updated mafia reads: If I take seriously the idea that Oats is town, I have to consider the possibility that Debears is not. Debears' only contribution is a case on Oats, which is quite weak. Mafia debears would want Oats lynched, because that would mean that mafia gets to shoot into both Toad and FT tonight, or at any point in the future. While this would instantly out his as confirmed mafia, I'm not sure how confident I am with the idea that mafia wouldn't trade one of their own for our two elected roles, especially the mayor. Plus, people would be content to sit on the idea of town debears until the mayor/sheriff gets shot, which is quite useful. It's basically lynch immunity. On January 22 2013 02:58 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote: On January 22 2013 02:47 debears wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2013 02:37 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote: Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. He's an inactive player and yet you want to lynch him for inactivity? What? Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 15:35 debears wrote: On January 21 2013 15:32 mkfuba07 wrote: On January 21 2013 15:26 debears wrote: On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote: On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote: On January 21 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: ## Vote Sandroba If he's town, he won't be killed and be of great use. If he's scum, he won't be able to hide it for long in that position. Don't choose based on some mood. Even if sandro doesn't want it, a good town should want him in that position. I don't like austin, I don't like gonzaw. Clarity didn't post his reads and he's usually not the guy who wants to take the lead. Voting Chezinu, are you fucking kidding me?Oatsmaster? Nah. Vivax wtf kind of post is this? Vote for a guy who doesn't want to be mayor, with really shitty "if he's scum" logic. There's never a good reason to give a free lynch to a player you don't have a really good town read on. You're proposing to trade the office of mayor, with the protection and the powerful synergy with mason roles, for a read on a single player that can easily be ascertained otherwise. Why do you seem to care so little for who becomes mayor if it isn't you? You "don't like" Austin or gonzaw, but you don't say why. You seem ready to discredit Chezinu on a moment's notice, when I see him as a valid candidate. This is not constructive town posting, Vivax. You've done very little but worry about your own image so far this game and it's worrisome to me that you're reacting so negatively to people not wanting to elect you. Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] + remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. This is wrong. So wrong. Vivax had an extensive mayoral post written up before the game, as shown by how quickly he posted it after daypost. His mayoral election run is a null tell But the fact that he posted it so quickly after the game started is, to some people, indicative of his towniness. I agree with them. A scum player would likely wait to post, until after he's discussed it in the QT. I don't think it's 100%, but it has me leaning town for him, and nothing has particularly tipped him back to scum yet. Scum has nothing to risk from him running and everything to gain. He looks like he cares about town with it. Everyone will disregard him because he doesn't have good reads as town. As town, he cares about town. He wants to become mayor despite his reads Show nested quote + On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote: Gonzaw Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor? Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me So is running for mayor as a townie who knows he's bad actually a townie sign or not? You can't seem to make up your mind >_> I can't decide between gonzaw and Fivetouch as mayor for now. It's a null sign normally. But the fact that Vivax keeps pushing his candidacy is troubling to me right now, especially when he's pushing himself over Gonzaw AND Austin. I would doubt both Gonzaw and Austin are scum I don't get this. Why? ___ I like the case on pprlprlprlz and I'm voting 5touch because of that. Unless the mafia sub in for both bodyguards, the sheriff and mayor cannot be nked until the bodyguards are taken down. That means that we should place good town players who are likely to get nked in the mayor and sheriff spots. Vivax is not by any means a player at threat of being nked as town. He doesn't have good reads. Austin and Gonzaw are two players that are nk targets as town and have good reads from what I have heard. I'd say either of them is a good choice for sheriff, with Gonzaw preferred This post, and many like it, show that debears is fairly preoccupied with the idea of Bodyguards and their potential protection powers. When I was mafia, and I was attempting to bluesnipe, one of the quickest tells you can pick up on is who seems preoccupied with blues in general, or a specific role such as doctor. Debears may have already has the idea in his head on Day 1 to make this sort of play as mafia, to sub himself in as a BG and use this "unlynchable" status to his advantage. Aside from this, debears has been fairly inactive, and hasn't pursued his scum reads very strongly. He posted a case on Gonzaw (that had him as slight scum, rofl), and then backed off of it later. He has a "case" on Oats, but he earlier posted this: On January 23 2013 10:42 debears wrote: Btw, I say we take the focus of oats and me for today. I'll get nked tomorrow. If Oats is town he will too. ##vote annul ##vote double lynch So we know he doesn't want to lynch Oats. Who does he want to lynch? Annul. Why? On January 23 2013 12:00 debears wrote: Annul, reads plz. If you aren't going to defend yourself, give reads and reasoning and help us obi-wan. That's plenty enough contribution On January 24 2013 01:37 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 01:32 austinmcc wrote: On January 24 2013 01:20 AxleGreaser wrote: You pointed out the speed of the annul wagon and that you were uncomfortable with it.On January 24 2013 01:04 austinmcc wrote: Disclaimer, this is cobbled together over like 2 hours, so it's a bit disjointed and may not read well. On January 23 2013 10:52 AxleGreaser wrote: ##vote: Double Lynch Which means for those that claim dont read the OP that we Lynch two tomorrow. D3 Why are you voting for a double lynch? IIRC correctly i was already voting for it so that I was not just piling on the annul so real fast wagon... A while later I said something specific about the annul wagon The double Lynch seemed self evident. I pointed out when it would happen which is the following day. I had considered at some stage if delaying it one day might better as the reads get better out there However consecutive double Lynches D3 andD4 looked fairly reasonable and it easier to slow down by going D3 D5, if you find you need the time than to speed up. It just looked right? But I couldn't find your actual thoughts on doubly lynching anywhere earlier on in your filter. You asked about it in relation to the mayor's votes, but I didn't see particularly thoughts on whether we should/shouldn't double lynch. I'm less concerned with when it would occur if we voted for it, which anyone can find, and more concerned with WHY people voted for it. Do you think a double lynch is ALWAYS good for town? Why so? If not, why is it good for THIS town in this situation? It's stuff like that. Austin, we have lurkers in clarity, BK, and fuba. We have a scummy annul. We have a scummy Gonzaw We had questionable nks. What reason isn't there for double lynch? 1) We have to find a way to rid of these damn lurkers 2) I am 95% sure 5touch is town. Toad is looking town to me at this point also (his alignment will be figured out anyways eventually). Use them while we got them. 3) I will very very likely die tonight. I want to help what little I can before then On January 24 2013 15:31 debears wrote: I am not comfortable with lynching Gonzaw currently over annul and BKE Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games. I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on 1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run) 2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard. If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats. If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats He gives zero reason. He just calls him "scummy". I don't like this sort of thing at all. The speed at which he voted for annul also to me indicates that this is a mafia vote, because he did it early in the day and with zero prior mention of annul. These four posts are the only ones he even mentions annul in at all, and they've all been in day 2. Very weird to me. In that last post he also says he'd be willing to lynch BKE, but he's never mentioned him before either, and indeed doesn't even bother to provide a reason. So what about prphlz? He supported that lynch day 1, right? On January 22 2013 00:22 debears wrote: 5touch I agree with a prplhz lynch. He hasn't scumhunted. He has dedicated himself to defending himself with previous games and making no contributions to the town That's his only mention about his own read on prplhz. All of this I believe is indicative of a blendy mafia mindset, something I find pervasive throughout his filter. Not many of his reads seem original to him at all. His low activity suggests not wanting to be in the spotlight. I don't believe he's actively playing the game in a way I think town debears would, because town debears is characteristically more convinced of his own reads, a la Hero Mini where he was hyper aggressive day 1 in pursuing his target. Now, for the same reason WBG gave for not lynching Oats, I don't think we should lynch Debears either. But if I had to pick a mafia out of the two BG's, I would actually pick debears. Oats is greener to me. So, who else do I think is mafia, and which of them do I want to lynch today? Vivax could still be mafia. While a lot of the vets have previously had him as town, even they are less certain of this idea than they were before. However, if he is mafia I don't think he's going to get any better and we will have more information to lynch him with at a later date. Unless he continues to be completely anti-town for the rest of today, I don't think he's a particularly good lynch, and I don't think many other people do either. Annul might be mafia, as he's played similar to Vivax today, but I actually feel less confident about lynching him because of how easy it is for everyone to call him town. There's literally been zero resistance to lynching him today aside from other people giving out their own mafia reads and trying to get them lynched. I don't think a single person has called him even somewhat town, though I may be wrong because I've only skimmed the last ten pages. I don't like lynching him today. Gonzaw is an interesting idea. On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote: Yamato, the chances of Vivax being scum are kind of low I think. He's had a LOT of posts, even more than when he was town in games like Can't Believe and the like. Also seems too confident to be scum. At worst let him be for a few days, if he's scum he'll surely "break" and go lurking or something. Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1. He has a few of these types of posts in his filter, where he softdefends a player (often Vivax actually) and generally gives weak reads. I don't feel like he's taken many strong stances with his reads this game. Even his opposition of the prplhz lynch was fairly weak. On January 21 2013 05:53 gonzaw wrote: Well...it seems i have the habit of posting here when nobody else is around to respond back (or post about other things) so I like quadriple post lol .....maybe I'm doing that intentionally as scum! :O :O >_> Also, he has a few of these posts in his filter, where he seems particularly preoccupied with his own image, and how town perceives the things he's doing. As I just finished typing in my analysis of another mafia player in NMM XXXIII. preoccupation with town's perception is a mafia tell, as they are more likely to care about how they are perceived than town. On January 21 2013 06:00 gonzaw wrote: It's hard to "consolidate posts". People make it seem like it's so easy. When I play the game I don't "think consolidately". I find a bunch of stuff and have a bunch of thoughts, which can't really be "consolidated" into a nice single perfect post. I'm going to my aunts house in like 1 hour anyway so I'll let you guys breathe for a moment He even goes so far as to defend his spammy nature, something that I, as town, feel completely unmotivated to justify. While this is indicative of how I feel on the matter, that I just post what I think at the time I think it, I do not feel the need to justify this mindset. However, Gonzaw obviously does, which again leads me to believe that he is concerned with his image. This idea is also reinforced with the concept that running for mayor and being active on D1 are two easy ways to get people to have cheap town reads on you. While this is not a strong mafia tell, it is what I have managed to find in his filter after a short bit of diving. I am fairly confident in the possibility of him being mafia for these reasons, along with those that the rest of town has posted. I will resume my filter dive of him tomorrow, and either confirm my own bias or perhaps see something that might change my mind. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:22 Toadesstern wrote: anyone doubting debears look at the timestamp of his vote on d1... I do not, at all, believe that a quick wagon on to an obviously strong town player excludes debears from the possible mafia candidates. | ||
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Yeah, no. That's really weak. I'm not going to exclude debears just for potentially bussing his own teammate. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:28 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2013 16:25 yamato77 wrote: On January 24 2013 16:22 Toadesstern wrote: anyone doubting debears look at the timestamp of his vote on d1... I do not, at all, believe that a quick wagon on to an obviously strong town player excludes debears from the possible mafia candidates. again, look at the timestamp. Debears was like the first guy to vote palmar. He was the third. Dude, if that's your ONLY reason for thinking he's town it's fucking weak and you need to reassess. | ||
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With zero justification, zero reasoning, and almost no real involvement. | ||
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I don't care. I have to get up in five hours and I have a 15 hour day to deal with. Bye. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:36 Toadesstern wrote: He's still one of the first voters you voted Palmar once he changed his lynch to Prplhz He's still a bodyguard while both Palmar and I are both still alive. There's absolutely no reason to discuss debears right now. You're the one that defended him after I said in the post I didn't want to lynch him today. Like I said, you're free to think what you will, but that's a weak reason to think someone is town. | ||
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I need a look at his last town game. Be back later. | ||
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On January 13 2013 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 08:55 Mocsta wrote: All you have done is successfully derailed the thread convo, and made people uncomfortable to post. Others have agreed with me. I see no town motivation for your behaviour. You have continued this behaviour, and when asked about it, you dodge the questions and instead ask irrelevant questions to the mods. OOO I like this post. Explain how I have derailed thread convo. How have I dodged questions. Where are the irrelevent questions. TO EVERYONE: I see no town motivation for your behaviour. Notice how he doesnt say that my behaviour is scummy. Notice. Mocsta, do you want to lynch people for being bad or for being scum? This post of his, and especially the part I bolded, is something he's done quite a lot this game, and it incorporates a couple of facets of his play that I find telling. First of all, he addresses his question, and indeed most of his posting in general, to the loudest/most influential thread presence, in this game that was Mocsta. In NMM, he spends a lot of time interacting with Micsta, just as he has done this game with Vivax early in the game, and FT in the latter half of D1. Perhaps this is just a general tendency of his play, but he has kept with the same sort of behavior there. Secondly, the question itself is one he is oft to repeat. Oats has asked FT whether he believed Oats to be bad/scum on multiple occasions and in many different ways. Again, this is a small thing, but it is the little things that we lose when we play mafia versus when we play town, and Oats is consistent in this manner. On January 13 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok posters with little to no content laguerta Trotske Acid~ glurio Posters that seem to be trolling the shit out of the thread Bringniga ##Vote: bringaniga Its less than 12 hours to lynch and I know that you are active. Please contribute in a manner that will help town Either we lynch them, or lynch an active player. Also, in case you guys didnt read the OP or dont know, its plurality lynch so the person with the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched. THEREFORE there is no need to consolidate to lynch. HOWEVER town should consolidate in order to prevent scum from being able to affect the final vote with a last minute vote switch If I'm not wrong, Oats has made a carbon copy of this post this game, calling out inactive players. It also reveals a mindset he has that is reinforced with this: On January 13 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta stop being useless and repeating what other people have already said. He is preoccupied, as town, with the "pro-town" concept of how people are or aren't playing, and gives his opinion. He has many of these sorts of posts and comments in his filter this game, which again is a small tell, but certainly indicative of the fact that he's playing to some degree with the same mindset he would if he was town. Is he a good enough mafia player to fake this? I have no reason to believe so, but it is possible. On January 13 2013 08:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, you are looking awfully scummy. In fact, im gonna vote you. After I show how you are scum Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote: BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid". What is wrong with sounding paranoid? Do you instantly believe what the other person says? This is scummy because Town wants paranoid players to find scum and scum want believing players to manipulate. Show nested quote + On January 12 2013 16:41 Mocsta wrote: zarepath, thanks for the well thought out response. I actually replied to Sn0_Man before reading this.. if i did read this first, I could have saved myself a post. On January 12 2013 14:51 zarepath wrote: I think you're right, Sno_Man, that it can be instawin if mafia can control the town environment. But instead of auto-suspecting anyone who is proactive, perhaps a better tack is to make sure we have a town environment that mafia cannot control. Scum also want to buddy the most active town player in the thread so that they wont get pushed by him. Mocsta, how does this post add to the 'conversation' you keep talking about? Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote: Wow. Thats it over the night shift. Oats u sound like sno_man. perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion. I think u should read what i posted to him. My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation. @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations Come on, show how me and sno-man are not stimulating conversation? Not being all friendly and nice isnt a scumtell you know. Like what is a genuine comment? Sounds like fluff you are throwing out there because you cant respond to my post. Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 07:23 Mocsta wrote: Trotske, I agree his posts are ermm.. "diffferent?".. however, there are still to my knowledge 3 participants who have not contributed at all. Acid, Shz, Glurio @Trotske Since you are here, I may as well try to generate some meaningful discussion. (1) Do you think it was reasonable to mention to Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster that their over-agressive/paranoid type early-game playstyle might actually be preventing people from talking (including the 3 I listed above)? (2) Do you think that behaviour is a normal town approach to the game? Ok mentioning the lurkers which everyone can see... Looks involved but has no point in stimulating conversation. The first question he asked Trotske is hilarious. 'Do you think that my posts on them were scummy?' That is not a townie mindset. At all. Because town is more concerned about finding scum, than caring how they look to the other players. 2. Again, what is the point in asking this question? It looks good at first glance but this can be adequately be answered in great detail by both scum and town so what he is trying to get out of it? He is trying to see if people agree with the oats/sno lynch. Mocsta, either shape up or die. ##Vote: Mocsta This case on Mocsta is quite interesting to me. He makes the same sort of case against Gonzaw, and while that case did not come until N1, it shows the same sort of mindset and play that Oats shows when town. He is overly focused on one person, and is generally only critical or slightly aware of the thread around him. One criticism of Oats this game is that he's "too aggressive", something that I find to be something that characterizes his town game. On January 13 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey Mocsta, what was the point of your opening questions? Do you think you achieved your goal? This, and the post I quoted earlier of him criticizing Mocsta, are two of his first few posts in the game. He continues that type of aggressive language throughout. Him being aggressive is not indicative of him being mafia, it is of him being town. On January 13 2013 18:51 Oatsmaster wrote: How the fuck am I intimidating town from contributing? Please actually quote, it irritates me when you say I am wrong about you and you leave it at that. Thanks for not telling me how to change. Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 07:18 Mocsta wrote: @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations How does aggressive posts stop fluid and positive town conversation? What is your idea of a good town conversation Mocsta? I started the scumhunting? How does town collaborate when no one knows who else is town? If people dont want to post, then that is their problem. I shouldnt have to force people to post right? Show nested quote + On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm... Mocsta could you link the game Oats was scum. I just looked through three of his old games and he was town in all. It did bring to my attention the massive change in his play style though. Although it doesn't incriminate him, it sure as hell doesn't help what I'm thinking about him. I was scum in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389 Show nested quote + The hypocrisy in what you've accused Mocsta of and what you have done so far is amazing. Explain please Elements in this post show how he handles suspicion placed on him with town. He obviously doesn't understand it, and indeed finds himself to be pro-town, something I find consistent with his defenses this game. While he may not be as arrogant because there are players better than him playing, he is certainly making an effort to play, in certain ways, similar to his town game. Again, I reach the conclusion that I think Oats is town, and for it, I find Gonzaw more likely to be mafia. Let's lynch him instead. | ||
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Who else am I going to lynch after I make a post like that, as mafia? Stop being dumb. Gonzaw has been my focus, and it's silly of you to read everything I'm doing from the strict mindset that I am mafia. | ||
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But, no matter your alignment, town's best play is to lynch Gonzaw here, so let's see some votes. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Austin, you're derp, I already wrote gonzaw used his powers. He's the guy who used the extra shot N1 and today he's been masoning. Don't believe FT is town just cause of the D1 lynch. People elected him to kill prplhz, so that's what he would do, along with getting massive cred. How did you get a check of his role today from a night 1 check? Holy shit you're lying. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:44 Toadesstern wrote: so justs to get this straight, he claimed DT and claimed to get back his alignment + roles, correct? That should be easy enough to confirm, give me a sec. The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work? I think they're both mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:47 Vivax wrote: I don't know if gonzaw was mason today or yesterday night, that's what I ended up believing. I asked the host about that and a few bunch other things but he's been ignoring all my questions this game. Given how scum is riding on that point it was rather yesterday night I guess. The way mason works this game is that you choose a person to mason with for a whole cycle, not day or night, but both. If he shot someone last night as you claim, he would have shown up as mafia jack vig, not mason. The mason would have had to begin today, and you wouldn't get that check back. | ||
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Sadly you could still be town because he could have been mason day 1, and you're just being an idiot and assuming he shot N1. | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2013 01:39 yamato77 wrote: Vivax if you're town you're a moron for what you're doing with this red check. But, no matter your alignment, town's best play is to lynch Gonzaw here, so let's see some votes. It's also telling that yamato posts this after he just finished to post something against gonzaw when the lynch wasn't going anywhere before the claim. "What are you saying Vivax, I am not setting myself up for a bus, I had gonzaw as target for a long time" "What are you doing Vivax, town was heading to an Oats lynch and you get gonzaw lynched with a claim?" Seriously, yamato is so bad as scum, I would lynch him with a spoon. If you are town we need to talk after this game, because it is getting ridiculous. How many posts of mine can you try to quote to make me look bad? I think you're an idiot for what you're doing with this check because you're making association cases and are so confirmation biased you're calling near confirmed townies mafias. | ||
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What do you think about the case I posted on debears? | ||
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I'm confident in an Annul lynch for tomorrow, regardless of Gonzaw's flip. Until the deadline, I will not be providing any association reads as he may yet flip town. Who the fuck knows. The way Annul has played this game is highly suspect. He seems to want to create a thread atmosphere that is negative, and he has twice now come in at opportune times to egg on a player who was shitting up the thread with their play, first me and now Vivax. He may yet be town, but this sort of behavior is mafia motivated in nature. I don't like that his response to the threat of lynch was to scream at everyone and then go silent like a fucking child, but anti-town isn't necessarily mafia, so it's not solid proof. One last thing: Toad, what's your thoughts on how Bugs has played today? | ||
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I hope to come back to a red flip. Don't do anything stupid like switch off Gonzaw. | ||
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This goes for anyone he is "suspicious" of, by the way, which makes me feel like he's being intentionally stupid. If he's town he's a far worse player than I was led to believe. It's difficult for me to make sense of anything he is doing this game. I wish he could just be offed. :/ | ||
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I need not stupid people in my town. | ||
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On January 25 2013 14:55 DearestSnot wrote: I'd like to hear from anyone who wants to speak with me. Talk to me. Mocsta, interested? Talk to me about who can be scum in your opinion and why. Perhaps even who can't. In WBG's advice corner for tonight, remember that at this stage of the game, townreads can be just as useful, if not even more useful, than scumreads. Perhaps it's best to keep those to ourselves for now, though. Happy scumhunting! debears, though that idea is kind of weak admittedly. I've given my reasoning for this. Vivax, again farfetched but he's been so wrong on everyone he didn't have a red check on it's mind boggling. There's a lot of things that he's doing that make zero sense to me but unless I feel there's a reason to doubt his claim I am willing to ignore him for now. I should, as FT suggests, not entertain his suspicions. Chez, maybe, no way to know. Grush, perhaps, but again there's very little to say either way, though his breadcrumb is a strong indicator to me Austin maybe, because he did provide some resistance to the gonzaw lynch. Mafia may have figured out that being on the gonzaw wagon that late could be even worse than not being on it at all, and what the heck, why not try to save him if possible? Annul is really scummy to me, as is BKE. They'll be getting my votes tomorrow. Aside from a few town tells you guys see in Annul I don't see any disagreement with this idea. Fuba I actually lean town on, but that's a weak read. Oats, Mocsta, Stutters, Toad, WBG, FT all as green to me, for varying reasons. Clarity/Adam, I hope is town. We'll see. Sorry for being a dick earlier, I am extremely tired and was frustrated at this game. Whatcha think about them reads, bro? | ||
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If you haven't yet, read his filter in that game. It's like a carbon copy. | ||
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That is the only group of people I think is worth lynching into at all, unless something drastic happens. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote: [fluff] After this game I would love to know how u guys make notes etc i just read the thread, and get a gut feeling.. if i dont like someone, i read the filter and then makes notes as im reading the filter you guys seem to make notes as you read the thread; and seem to have detailed noted on all players is that correct? You want to know things like who each person was suspicious of, whether you thought that was reasonable or justified, and who the person wanted to lynch, didnt want to lynch, when they did what they did, etc. It doesn't hurt to at least have a document where you keep track of your reads and have some justifications for it. | ||
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On January 25 2013 16:47 AxleGreaser wrote: @YAMato77 Why did you vote for an Annul lynch at the start of D2? perhaps more importantly why did you vote for it when you did? If you read the game you would know why, but it's because he looked red to me N1 and I wanted him dead early D2. That weakened, I found a better read, and now I'm left to consider the possibility of mafia Annul yet again. | ||
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While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game. As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:38 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote: As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? *raises hand* I'm going to regret asking this question, but why? | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote: Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days. While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game. As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia. Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity. Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment. His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way. | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:46 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote: On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote: On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote: Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days. While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game. As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia. Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity. Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment. His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way. His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here. And "I'm not sure he's aware to do all these scummy things" isn't a good defence for anybody. The fact is, those were his votes. He voted for the mafia in the running for Sheriff quite late in the day. This is very suspicious. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that, to me, Axle seems to be acting just like his town game. He is less aware of what town is doing and what his vote is doing than the average player. If you guys want to lynch/shoot him, that's fine with me because I don't see any other way to figure out his alignment to any degree of certainty. But if I had to bet on it, I would say he's town, and attempting to pursue a read on him is going to go nowhere because he isn't going to act any differently than he is now. | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:50 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 01:42 yamato77 wrote: On January 26 2013 01:38 Vivax wrote: On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote: As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow? *raises hand* I'm going to regret asking this question, but why? 1. If Toad is town he would jail him tonight, so there's not even a point in discussing this now. We can't be totally sure of the outcome cause there might be a protection somewhere. But if there's a medic protecting and he claims then we will know that the extra KP is missing cause of that and not cause BKE is scum. I doubt scum would sacrifice a KP to push a BKE mislynch for the next day. Toad could also act not according to what he said so far and jail me, Bugs or anyone else for example. That leaves the danger open that he will still push for a BKE lynch tomorrow. 2. Other than that, you can't have a good read on people with low activity like BKE. Pushing for a lynch on him is comfortable, you don't need to tell many reasons. Sadly, I can't check Toad and FT who are pushing for his lynch. @ Bugs Why are you ok with the mason information being withheld? Most people oppose lunches because they have a reason to believe someone is town, but you oppose it because of the night action WIFOM happening the night before? Okay Vivax. | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote: You're an idiot, Vivax. If your check comes back anything but green I'm getting you lynched. Why don't you consider the option of being framed though? That's why I called you an idiot. Either way, you get a red check on me and claim it and I am lynching you with all my might. | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:05 Vivax wrote: Wouldn't that be the point where the game got really interesting though? People shouting you have been framed People shouting I'm lying People shouting you're the godfather People shouting we lynch you first A really productive mayhem it would be This dumb shit is why I want to kill you. Honestly, I've been brooding over you this whole fucking game because of how fucking stupid you're being. Are you just this dumb? Obviously not. You know that what you're doing is anti-town and you're doing it anyway. So either you're mafia, or you're a fucking troll. Which is it? | ||
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Check whoever the fuck you like. Do whatever the fuck you like. Try to lynch me? You die. That's the last thing I have to say to you for the rest of this game. | ||
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Hm. That gives me something to do. What are the chances Annul and Chez are both mafia? That claim then ensures that Chez lives for one more cycle and Annul lives until lylo. Unless we lynch him to find out if he's lying. It'd be a triple lynch that way, no? I like that idea. | ||
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Maybe I should lynch you for being stupid. Ugh this game is getting to me. | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:21 mkfuba07 wrote: I didn't say that. I'm looking at the possibilities outlined by toad and DS. They were pretty significantly convinced that BKE and chezinu are scum, and that leaves the three of us from their list. I know that one of those three is not mafia (that is me). The remaining two are you and mocsta. I'd actually like to know what FT thinks of their conclusion. Why are you blindly following their conclusions? I don't know if I've read an original read from you the whole game. Maybe I should lynch you. | ||
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I could see a first time mafia player playing like you. You summarize a lot and agree with strong townies the whole game. You're super fucking blendy. When I get home I may indeed start campaigning for your lynch. | ||
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Fuba I think is fifth mafia. I'm going to make my case. Brb | ||
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Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it. | ||
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I am all for policy lynching him tomorrow. This is not how you play this game. | ||
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On January 28 2013 04:00 Stutters695 wrote: True, I guess there is no rush. Just seemed like eliminating potentials quickly would result in a faster catch. Still a little weary dragging games out after YANMM where 1 mislynch cost us the game due to modkills. That wasn't because the game was too long, that was because part of town simply wasn't playing to their own wincon. Eywa and Morb played for the other team that game. The core of town was near-perfect in its lynches. GF Day1, SK Day2, No-Lynch D3 to avoid double kill. Vivax D4 (he lied about this earlier in the game, too, saying he was town in YAN), then D5 it was mylo so you guys correctly no-lynched, D6 was the only mistake and scib had played an amazing game. This game is also near-perfect for town so far, but there are no modkills. It's even better. | ||
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You know you can't do that, right? | ||
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Just have to find the last one. Vivax just may be one. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait what Mocsta? Are you saying that Annul is scum cause Chez flipped scum?/BKE flipped mad hatter? Or do you think Annul is scum from something else? What about that conclusion is surprising? Annul claimed mad hatter, and didn't want us to lynch chezinu. These two flips confirm his as mafia. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:17 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + To yams, I missed talking to you after day 1. Your the only one who listen to me. Thanks for being there! Yamato, no mentioning of Chez talking to you? With both possible mafia masons dead I suppose it's safe to claim myself as mason at this point in time. FT and Toad can confirm. Go away Vivax. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:19 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. I <3 you guys! <3 You too, Chezinu. You fooled me. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:19 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 10:17 yamato77 wrote: On January 28 2013 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait what Mocsta? Are you saying that Annul is scum cause Chez flipped scum?/BKE flipped mad hatter? Or do you think Annul is scum from something else? What about that conclusion is surprising? Annul claimed mad hatter, and didn't want us to lynch chezinu. These two flips confirm his as mafia. I didn't want to lynch Chezinu either cause of annul's claim. Doesn't this confirm me as mafia, too? Why shouldn't there be 2 MH? Yes, it does. I would lynch you or Annul tomorrow. You preferably since you're so annoying and intentionally thick. | ||
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If we believe Vivax/Annul's claims, that puts town at 10 blues, double the number of mafia players total. I don't think this game is THAT imbalanced. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:37 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote: I know of 4 masons, 1 DT, 1 Medic, 1 Miller, and 1 Mad Hatter, all modconfirmed town. If we believe Vivax/Annul's claims, that puts town at 10 blues, double the number of mafia players total. I don't think this game is THAT imbalanced. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have no idea how games are/need to be balanced Miller isn't blue, and masons are unconfirmed as town I thought Miller is soft blue? And I thought mafia could only have 2 masons, I reread the OP and it says otherwise, so I suppose there could be more. Still, I'm pretty sure all 4 of those people that I know of as Masons are town. How is it balanced for town to have this many power roles? Just because mafia can have 2 potential roles per player? Idk, seems difficult to win as mafia in these conditions. I still see more reason to doubt Vivax/Annul than to believe them. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:41 FiveTouch wrote: Millers aren't self-aware... And again, masons (in general) are not confirmed town. It's just we happen to have flipped two mafia masons already. Plus the original balance (17-5) is somewhat mafia-favoured. I suppose I see your point. Still, I doubt their claims heavily because of their play, and the fact that we already have flips on other plays with the same strong roles. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:45 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote: I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town. [citation needed] They're not modconfirmed, I suppose, but they are all very likely town. You, on the other hand, are very likely mafia. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:48 annul wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2013 10:47 yamato77 wrote: On January 28 2013 10:45 annul wrote: On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote: I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town. [citation needed] They're not modconfirmed, I suppose, but they are all very likely town. You, on the other hand, are very likely mafia. [citation needed] That's precisely why. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:51 annul wrote: your arguments are particularly poor this evening and lacking in logical foundation. Your play this game is particularly poor and lacking in logical foundation. | ||
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On January 28 2013 10:59 debears wrote: 5touch Setup spec time: How many blues are normally in a game of this size? 4-6? Blue Count: Toad, Grush, Yamato, Mocsta - Mason Dearest, Vivax - Detective BKE, Annul - Mad Hatter Mafia count: Jack mason - Gonzaw Gf mason- Chez Goon - prplhz 8 blues/power roles. I don't think we have this many blue roles this game. I don't like Annul's or Vivax's play from a town perspective Annul mad hatted someone who will almost certainly get lynched (Chez) - stating he is in fear of getting nked despite no contributions this game Vivax checks Bugs - epic dumb check. Yet he for some reason would check Gonzaw n1, who would happen to be mafia and a correct check? Yamato did you ever tell chez about grush masoning you before you revealed it in thread? I agree completely with this post and its conclusions. No, I never told Chez anything I didn't say in the thread. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:32 annul wrote: in b4 he retorts with an ultra-hostile, borderline ad hominem attack against me and tunnels me for the next full cycle Some of your criticisms of my play are somewhat valid but none of it makes me mafia. There's a reason I've never had a vote on me that wasn't from Vivax, and it's because anyone who has played with me before knows I play this way as town, and can see that I have contributed my thoughts to the game, despite being wrong. So no, I'm not mafia, I'm not attacking you, and I'm not going to tunnel anyone. | ||
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I don't like that his activity has dropped off a cliff, excuse or no. And I hate that he de-lurks with a prepared response. Obviously he's been thinking about why people might call him mafia, and has thought up a WIFOM idea of why he's not, and it has nothing to do with him "lurking" as he posits. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: Just gonna say it now, I'm never not going to lynch someone for balance reasons. But the question is, are you going to lynch Austin? I see no reason not to. | ||
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How about this, everyone that's not a blue, claim. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Come on yamato, *IT WAS A JOKE GUYS* excuse is pretty bad Dont you think something is wrong with your play when people instantly think that you would actually propose this? What are you even talking about. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Totally nothing, I dont think its worth pursuing at this point of time. Now you're just trying to be coy. | ||
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I say we ignore the claims and judge based on play. What was the objection to Austin being mafia, that he and gonzaw would have split votes? Seems weak. The evidence against him is stronger. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:54 FiveTouch wrote: It's not weak at all, it's extremely strong. Who do you think was mafia that voted either of them? If they supposedly "split votes". | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 1 Votecount austinmcc - 3 Oatsmaster austinmcc sandroba gonzaw - 3 Gonzaw mocsta axlegreaser The votecounts, for reference. | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:58 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote austinmcc On January 22 2013 09:59 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote BroodKingEXE On January 22 2013 09:59 Chezinu wrote: ##unvote ##vote Gonzaw What is going on there? | ||
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I can't believe the two of us are seeing things you aren't, Marv. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote: And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/ Sounds like you're more upset that this didn't happen than you are about it being a reason he isn't mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:10 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote: On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote: And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/ Sounds like you're more upset that this didn't happen than you are about it being a reason he isn't mafia. This doesn't even make sense. Your sad face there looks like disappointment rather than the typical, "No, I'm right, dear" Marvellosity. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:17 FiveTouch wrote: Ok, so despite the fact that bugs (confirmed flipped town DT) and I are pretty damn certain austin isn't mafia, you guys want to lynch him. Great. Your reason (singular) provided in defense of Austin is relatively minor in the face of what I've seen in his filter, and what we just witnessed. Besides, you were wrong on Oats D2, and wrong on BKE D3. You are not infallible. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:18 FiveTouch wrote: austin *could* be mafia, but I'd lynch a whole bunch of guys above him. The reasons for annul/stutters/clarity/debears/fuba to be town are much weaker than for austin. Funny how that list got longer since the last time you posted it. Riddle me this: if both mafia are among that group, what hope do they have of winning? | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:19 FiveTouch wrote: I never said I was infallible, but when bugs and I have equally strong feelings about someone, it's usually a sign of something. What's your "strong feeling" if you think he "could be mafia". | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you asking me stupid questions? Why are you defending someone with a weak piece of WIFOM? | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote: On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you asking me stupid questions? Why are you defending someone with a weak piece of WIFOM? why don't you ask bugs the same thing? Because he's dead, and you're alive, yet you're sheeping his reads blindly despite being a good player in your own right. | ||
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If mafia really wanted Gonzaw elected, they had the votes to surpass Toad. Which means either they got someone elected, or they weren't really invested in getting elected. Either way Austin's run doesn't mean anything. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:24 FiveTouch wrote: I've explained quite clearly why I agree with bugs. Except you're dismissing the same reasoning we've both used as 'weak wifom'. There's not a lot I can do about that. How about give any other justification other than a one liner post bugs made over a cycle ago. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote: I've explained it repeatedly in the last couple of pages. And obviously I disagree, with logic that is valid. All you're doing right now is an appeal to authority which is incredibly weak. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:27 FiveTouch wrote: OK, when two strong players reach the same conclusion on the same data, it's weak. You must be right, I concede the point. The only way you're right is if there's another mafia on Gonzaw, because that would give mafia no logical options to get him elected with. prplhz was on you, wasting his vote intentionally. Chezinu moved his vote around, ending up on Gonzaw. Gonzaw was on himself. Where were the other 2 votes, if mafia was actually invested in getting Gonzaw elected? Do you really think Mocsta and Axle are mafia? | ||
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He was a good mayor candidate. People are stupid for discrediting him. Stutters was scum for attacking him. Hm. Is it just a coincidence that Austin is associated heavily with all three flipped mafia? | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + You should be looking harder at my filter. That post is immediately followed, in the same conversation, with:On January 29 2013 03:23 yamato77 wrote: Looks more like he's attacking Vivax than trying to get him to move his vote. Show nested quote + On January 22 2013 08:17 austinmcc wrote: On January 22 2013 08:14 Vivax wrote: On January 22 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: Vivax, Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez? I try to lie a lot and attract attention to me by playing inconsistently so that I can lead my scumbuddies to victory obviously, why do you ask? Until Toad gets another vote you'll be sheriff top candidate if I switch to Toad (you still are cause you got majority first I think). So my vote stays where it is. Pointless question, I already said why I switched to Chez before. I'm writing a JX analysis. You put your vote on Chezinu, who would be the second player to have 4. That didn't change anything, unless you have a magical plan to move multiple votes around, which would make you scum. I don't actually think you're scum this game, but I can't get a handle on your play. If you want Toad to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. If you want not-me to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. So you've taken an action that does nothing, really, unless you can move more votes. And the action you took was wrong for you if you can move more votes, because you want toad and not chezinu. So...I are confused. You're not helping yourself with this delurking business. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:34 debears wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 03:30 yamato77 wrote: On January 29 2013 03:29 austinmcc wrote: On January 29 2013 03:23 yamato77 wrote: You should be looking harder at my filter. That post is immediately followed, in the same conversation, with:Looks more like he's attacking Vivax than trying to get him to move his vote. On January 22 2013 08:17 austinmcc wrote: On January 22 2013 08:14 Vivax wrote: On January 22 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: Vivax, Given that you seem to want toad with bodyguards, and toad wants toad with bodyguards, but does not want Chez with bodyguards, why keep your vote on Chez? I try to lie a lot and attract attention to me by playing inconsistently so that I can lead my scumbuddies to victory obviously, why do you ask? Until Toad gets another vote you'll be sheriff top candidate if I switch to Toad (you still are cause you got majority first I think). So my vote stays where it is. Pointless question, I already said why I switched to Chez before. I'm writing a JX analysis. You put your vote on Chezinu, who would be the second player to have 4. That didn't change anything, unless you have a magical plan to move multiple votes around, which would make you scum. I don't actually think you're scum this game, but I can't get a handle on your play. If you want Toad to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. If you want not-me to be sheriff, then voting chezinu doesn't help. So you've taken an action that does nothing, really, unless you can move more votes. And the action you took was wrong for you if you can move more votes, because you want toad and not chezinu. So...I are confused. You're not helping yourself with this delurking business. So if he lurks, he's scum. If he delurks he's scum. Rethink your arguments yamato He's delurking solely to defend himself from the possibility of being lynched. Don't be intentionally blind, debears. | ||
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I refuse to believe that it's just a coincidence that you happened to have multiple positive mentions of all three flipped mafia players. I can barely find a bad word about them. | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Day 1 Votecount FiveTouch - 7 DearestSnot FiveTouch debears JieXian mkfuba07 yamato77 prplhz austinmcc - 3 Oatsmaster austinmcc sandroba Chezinu - 1 grush57 Toadesstern - 4 Toadesstern Vivax Stutters695 djodref gonzaw - 4 Chezinu Gonzaw mocsta axlegreaser annul - 1 annul Let me color in that votecount for you, because what you're suggesting is that every mafia would have piled on Gonzaw to get him elected, which is obviously not true. You guys are rehashing the same argument. There's 2 unconfirmed mafia on that list somewhere. They could have Gotten Gonzaw elected, but they didn't. It's not a good argument to say someone is town just because they didn't vote for Gonzaw. Posted this in the wrong thread, derp. | ||
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Unless you or Toad are mafia, they didn't get someone elected, even if you think they wanted to. YOU are the one being speculative here. | ||
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What the fuck are you doing, marv? | ||
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Because looking at what happened, unless I think Toad is mafia (I don't), then you're the only other option. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: yamato, are you saying that 5touch is Marv? Or are you just angry at EVERYBODY? Who do you want to lynch today Are you even reading the thread? | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:16 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote: I don't know why you're pushing annul in one post and then not in the next. What the fuck are you doing, marv? I might actually start weeping. I'm pushing him because I don't understand what he did. But the argument Vivax put in the thread is a good reason annul could be town, and I'm not gonna bullshit about it. Well the important thing isn't what I think, because obviously I've been saying he might be mafia all game, it's what you think, because you're mayor and de facto leader of town since most of town votes with you anyway. But you know this and aren't taking any strong stances about ANYONE in the last cycle or so. Why? | ||
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Annul was stupid for putting his bomb on Chez, and I said when he claimed that it looked like a play for survival, and now Chez flips red which makes it look worse. This is nothing new, you've just been ignoring it. I'd much rather lynch Austin now, after this though because you don't seem to want to take responsibility for this lynch, which makes me uneasy. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:30 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote: It was a foregone conclusion, there was nothing aside from Vivax's check that would have swayed the votes, especially after Bugs died, cementing the reads in people's minds. Annul was stupid for putting his bomb on Chez, and I said when he claimed that it looked like a play for survival, and now Chez flips red which makes it look worse. This is nothing new, you've just been ignoring it. I'd much rather lynch Austin now, after this though because you don't seem to want to take responsibility for this lynch, which makes me uneasy. I'm not talking to you anymore. You're stupidly shovelling suspicion at me despite my play the entire game, despite how when we were masoned i repeatedly prevented you fucking up the whole thread with Vivax. I'm literally not interested in what you have to say any more if this is the attitude you're taking. I just don't understand why you opposed me saying Annul's claim was fake before and then now you're the one questioning it. Seems convenient. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:33 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote: On January 29 2013 12:30 FiveTouch wrote: On January 29 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote: It was a foregone conclusion, there was nothing aside from Vivax's check that would have swayed the votes, especially after Bugs died, cementing the reads in people's minds. Annul was stupid for putting his bomb on Chez, and I said when he claimed that it looked like a play for survival, and now Chez flips red which makes it look worse. This is nothing new, you've just been ignoring it. I'd much rather lynch Austin now, after this though because you don't seem to want to take responsibility for this lynch, which makes me uneasy. I'm not talking to you anymore. You're stupidly shovelling suspicion at me despite my play the entire game, despite how when we were masoned i repeatedly prevented you fucking up the whole thread with Vivax. I'm literally not interested in what you have to say any more if this is the attitude you're taking. I just don't understand why you opposed me saying Annul's claim was fake before and then now you're the one questioning it. Seems convenient. use your brain. for once in your whole mafia fucking life, please use your fucking brain. I beg you. Did you or didn't you do exactly as I said? | ||
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Bye. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: We have some serious discussing to do after this game, yamato. I agree. | ||
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And with it, my willingness to lynch Annul for things I've called him scum for since last cycle. | ||
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I'm nowhere near that good of a mafia player lolol. | ||
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I'd rather see Annul's flip. | ||
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If you really think he needs to die, do whatever you want, but your evidence so far is inconclusive at best. | ||
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On January 30 2013 05:42 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote: I said this in my first game with him, but getting a read on Axle is difficult. If you really think he needs to die, do whatever you want, but your evidence so far is inconclusive at best. Out of curiousity, what constitutes "conclusive evidence" in a mafia game? Out of curiosity, what constitutes "lurking" in a mafia game? Is it only coming to post pointless questions and derail your own lynch? Ugh, I wish Marv wanted you dead. | ||
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Coin flip inc | ||
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Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote: Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch? Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. | ||
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I'm pretty confident in my town read on Marv, even if he is lynching Axle. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned?On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote: On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote: Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch? Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. Because you know more about what you're doing than Axle. And Axle's posts are far more difficult to decipher, so your association is more overt. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:12 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + How does knowing about what I'm doing factor into this, specifically? It sure doesn't make my reads right.On January 31 2013 08:09 yamato77 wrote: On January 31 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 07:57 yamato77 wrote: That's the one. Why are my interactions with gonzaw/chez/prplhz and discussions about them making you entirely sure I'm mafia, while they are inconclusive evidence as far as Adam is concerned?On January 31 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote: Austin why are you being super active when we're talking about whether or not we should double lynch as opposed to when we talk about who we want to lynch? Aren't there at least a couple people you want dead right now? For non-scummy reasons, like, "I have time right at this moment."? I have a couple questions I would like answered, more than I have a couple people I want dead right now. Like the one I asked you. Something about the difference between you and Axle? Basically just a question to appear to make yourself look better to me. Because you know more about what you're doing than Axle. And Axle's posts are far more difficult to decipher, so your association is more overt. I have a hard time believing someone of your ability at this game has been this wrong the whole game. Not to mention, why are you trying to equate yourself to Axle when town is lynching him at the moment? | ||
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I think he's unreadable. You are not. Your association is meaningful. Let me ask you this, why do you want to lynch Axle? Is there a reason I can find in your filter? | ||
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So I'm going to go with what you've been saying right now, which is that he's under suspicion for "similar reasons" as you are, which you have realized to be your associations with the flipped mafia. So why is Axle mafia for it and you're not? | ||
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You, however, I have played with before when you were town. You're what I would consider a normal player, so your reads on three confirmed mafias players SHOULD mean something. You're just trying to downplay it. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:36 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote: I just looked. There isn't. So I'm going to go with what you've been saying right now, which is that he's under suspicion for "similar reasons" as you are, which you have realized to be your associations with the flipped mafia. So why is Axle mafia for it and you're not? See my posts about expecting to get crap and how my filter looks? I can understand why I'd look like mafia. I would be suspicious of me in this situation. He's mafia and I'm not because I've seen my PM. Again, I'm asking questions to get a read on you. If you don't have a town read on me at this point in the game I'm just going to consider that a scum claim. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:38 yamato77 wrote: It's inconclusive to me because I don't know how he gets his reads, nor am I particularly sure what those reads are. You, however, I have played with before when you were town. You're what I would consider a normal player, so your reads on three confirmed mafias players SHOULD mean something. You're just trying to downplay it. If I were trying to downplay it, WHY WOULD I BE BRINGING IT UP!? Because you don't want me to think you're mafia. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: On January 31 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 08:38 yamato77 wrote: It's inconclusive to me because I don't know how he gets his reads, nor am I particularly sure what those reads are. You, however, I have played with before when you were town. You're what I would consider a normal player, so your reads on three confirmed mafias players SHOULD mean something. You're just trying to downplay it. If I were trying to downplay it, WHY WOULD I BE BRINGING IT UP!? Because you don't want me to think you're mafia. That makes no sense at all. You can't downplay something by bringing it up... Obviously if you're going to argue my diction this is going nowhere. Sleep tight, Marv doesn't want you dead yet so you probably won't get lynched tomorrow anyway. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 08:46 yamato77 wrote: On January 31 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: On January 31 2013 08:40 austinmcc wrote: On January 31 2013 08:38 yamato77 wrote: It's inconclusive to me because I don't know how he gets his reads, nor am I particularly sure what those reads are. You, however, I have played with before when you were town. You're what I would consider a normal player, so your reads on three confirmed mafias players SHOULD mean something. You're just trying to downplay it. If I were trying to downplay it, WHY WOULD I BE BRINGING IT UP!? Because you don't want me to think you're mafia. That makes no sense at all. You can't downplay something by bringing it up... Obviously if you're going to argue my diction this is going nowhere. Sleep tight, Marv doesn't want you dead yet so you probably won't get lynched tomorrow anyway. It's going somewhere. We may not know, but the inconclusive comment from you WAS curious. It's worth teasing out. It's worth following up on why you think I'm downplaying something that I'm bringing up, to see if there's anything there or if it's just a comment you're tossing out offhand. It looks to be more the latter. I give so little of a shit that you're suspicious of me, you don't even know. Good luck with that read, bro. | ||
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Good job. You omit the part where I say I'm not worried about prplhz, I'm worried about the people pushing him. You also omit the part where I vote for FT. You also forget that D2 I had Oats as town and Gonzaw as the mafia before Vivax checked him, something many people did not. Yeah, no. | ||
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The fuck are you smoking? | ||
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Idk, would town Austin be this dumb? | ||
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Would town Austin honestly think the stuff he picked out of my filter somehow makes me mafia? | ||
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or is it in one hour? | ||
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gives us your reads for when you flip town | ||
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On January 31 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2013 10:05 yamato77 wrote: It takes balls to call someone mafia for doing a far more excusable version of what you're done this game. Not entirely sure what you mean by "excusable." Otherwise, I've been pretty open in saying that I knew some of my filter looked REALLY bad after I was wrong in some reads. So yeah, if you did a lot of the same stuff, you're going to look bad too. We're both going to look bad. I have the benefit of knowing I'm town. But your reaction to similar filters is to have wildly different reads. I'm fine having balls and being consistent. You're being remarkably inconsistent. In ways that make you look bad. I am always inconsistent. Get a new argument. Also, WTF @ that flip | ||
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On January 31 2013 11:10 austinmcc wrote: You do realize he can't be scum if I'm scum. You're less likely mafia after the flip, but not completely off the hook. At this point, with the people I'm looking at, it's a scum grading system, and grush just jumped to the top. | ||
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Nothing to discuss unless someone does something really stupid. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote: It also makes grush look worse because he technically masoned people but never took advantage of it. I disagree, it makes grush look infinitely better. Why would this mafia team not want to mason people? So they don't get caught in the mason circles. Isn't that pretty much the same thing grush has done? | ||
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I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs. | ||
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I knew it. | ||
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I played a silly game of mafia after a certain point because I figured the reason scum hadn't quit was because one of the elected was mafia, and therefor operated under the assumption that one or both may be. Hence my attack on Marv, and wanting Toad dead after I died. The fact that neither were is both a testament to the strength of town on Day 1 this game, and the overall weakness of mafia in the same time frame. What I also suspected was that one of the BGs must be mafia if neither had been shot, because there's no way mafia would give up both elected roles and both BGs and then not shoot any of them. I just happened to have them wrong when I was working on this piece of logic, because I thought Oats was town and debears the mafia. It's a weakness of my play, as town saw this game with my reads/opinions of Chez/Axle/Oats, that I give people who are playing unreadably too much credit. I must make more of an effort to get reads on them, despite the difficulty. Why I was wrong on Oats, I don't know. I thought I analysed some idiosyncrasies of his town play well, that he had tendencies that I thought wouldn't translate to his mafia play. I had a discussion with Marv on this while in mason chat, and what he brought up was something I didn't see in Oats' play this game but was definitely in his town game, which was that he is accusatory out of the gate as town, and not so this game. This is a town tell in general, but more importantly a tendency of Oats when he is town, which I should have seen stronger than I did. Overall, I think I'm still running into similar problems with my play. I'm getting caught up in conspiracy theories, and I'm playing highly emotional. For a good while after mid Day 1 and into mid Day 2, I had a run of playing some decent mafia. Everything else I did this game was pretty lackluster. My mason targets weren't bad, but I feel like I missed an opportunity to catch Chezinu day 1. What won town this game, aside from Marv's brilliance, was the fact that the mafia NKs were atrocious. JX and Djo were mislynches, not NKs. Me and Mocsta should have died N1, 100%, after both of us masoning Chezinu. The fact that we both communicated with Marv the next day, and gave our Chezinu logs allowed him, in part, to catch Chezinu. Killing us both before anyone in town knew who we were would have been perfect. Also, I think that mafia obviously derped in not getting anyone elected. The setup demanded such an action from the team, and while an obvious effort was made, the fact that it didn't happen was a huge blow to mafia's power this game. Furthermore, I think the decision to make Oats a BG was bad. While it helped stave off his lynch, it also made debears, and thus town's elected roles, unkillable targets if you didn't want to sacrifice Oats in the process. It would have been a better decision to gain intelligence on the BGs after N1 either through masoning or outright claiming, as happened this game, and then killing them N2 and getting to town's very strong elected positions in the following nights. As for town overall, I feel like players not named Bugs/Toad/Marv/Sandro need to look at how they played after D1 and reassess what their objective should be, myself included. There was a lot of nothing done this game by those players. A few of us managed to play pro-town enough to avoid mislynches, but there were enough question marks that a good mafia team could have taken advantage of and pulled out a win, even with both elected roles alive the whole game. Our claim to fame was realizing a good town leader when we saw one, which was enough to win this game, but isn't in most other non-mayor setups. I feel like I'm getting close to being a decent town player. I just need to get rid of my paranoia about town leaders. If someone has lynched mafia the whole game, there's no reason to doubt their towniness. Sorry, Marv. | ||
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Why do you not kill them over 2 VTs that people wanted to lynch? Vivax, I can see. One of Bugs/Sandro, too, but to leave both of us alive for 2 whole cycles? Idk. Maybe it sounds a little self-centered to say I should have been shot, but come on. It's kind of ridiculous that we were alive for 3 cycles when we both masoned mafia D1. | ||
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If anything, he got Mocsta + Me to mason FT, which was partly his own undoing. Me masoning Marv was the best thing I did this game. During that time, for the most part, I played some decent mafia. Maybe he had some sort of plan, but after D1 I started ignoring his posts like I did Axle's. He was in a similar category to me at that time. Also, it should have been obvious from my N1 post that those 2 PMs were all I said to grush, lol. No one knew I was mason besides Chez until D2, and it didn't become common knowledge until D3. | ||
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