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On January 15 2013 07:18 gonzaw wrote: Why call it sheriff instead of "Elected Jailkeeper"? >_> because it's an official position and that name sucks | ||
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I'm going to make sure you lose this game for what you did to me btw Just make sure Gonzaw and I are not in the same team :3 + Show Spoiler + jkjk | ||
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Unless of course BC has something else prepared but that's how it's usually done. | ||
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On January 20 2013 10:50 prplhz wrote: Who are these people that you might consider voting for? It seems like you have a list of people you might consider voting for and this Vivax isn't on that list. Can I have the list? well basicly everyone who's considered a vet is an option for me right now, that means I want the towniest out of: Toad, gonzaw, Annul, prplhz, Sandroba, Chezinu (technically speaking that is), maybe BKE and austin idk. I'm not geting voted into office due to paranoia (and hypno-toadish-ness) so that's sadly not an option. If Sandro is town we need to figure that out as quickly as possible and make him mayor though. | ||
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On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election that's the one guy out of the people I listed who is probably the hardest to read for everyone not being on TL playing mafia for 2 or 3 years. So why Chezinu? | ||
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So no I'd rather not unless the other options all look awful. | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:14 Chezinu wrote: I must disagree. I believe Chezinu will play sanely. The only reason his plays with his brown methods is to survive. If he is already guaranteed to live then his play will certainly change. the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. It's just not a good situation to be in if you're mayor, no matter of your alignment unless you actually hit mafia d1 and I'm not willing to risk that without a proper read and having better / decent alternatives. Like I said, Sandro should be the #1 person to go to if he's town, he's really good as town but not so much as mafia. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out if he starts posting It's basicly the same reasoning for why I'm not running | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:23 Chezinu wrote: That already happens. Mayors typically die early if they don't hit scum. That's why my advise was to let the mayor live for a while before murdering him(or her) too quickly. Read the previous game with mayors, it happens all to often. I know, I've been in some of them. Hence the statement that I'd rather not vote you and instead vote someone who's not a center of paranoia no matter of alignment, someone who is easy to read and good as town. | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:55 Stutters695 wrote: Makes sense. If this is common however aren't we risking lynching someone who seems easy to read because they mislynched d1 unless they have nearly flawless town play? I wouldn't necessarily lynch them because of a d1 mislynch but if lynching the mayor is probable sometime early doesn't that add incentive to make the mayor someone hard to read side then they're forced into doing something that helps generate a read? well Sandroba would have been someone who's readable beyond his call on the d1 lynch. I wouldn't call for a sandroba-lynch as a mayor unless for a damn good reasoning. I could see a mayor-lynch on chez happening on nothing but "duh, he was wrong let's lynch him" because he's hard to read. I don't want us to get into that situation.... but Sandroba not running is troublesome. | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:22 Chezinu wrote: Even if mayor is a town. The mayor isn't safe. I can't say why publicly. Only a veteran or mason can save the mayor. Scary schemes have popped in my mind. To the mason, I will tell. But only if I am elected can I tell the mason. For the mason should contact the mayor. For the mayor would need your help. If elected, I will explain this to every last detail. This is not a troll. I just can't give mafia ideas. won't it work if someone else besides you gets elected? | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:47 annul wrote: hello peeps i have a laser tag tournament tonight (in 78 minutes, so i gotta leave for it soon) but i want to announce my awesome plan. i call it the "make annul, a fucking incredible all-star, ultimate commander of killing scum" plan. or, for short, the MAFIA SUCKS plan. basically, you elect me mayor, and i kill scum for you. do it for PATRIOTISM. also, because i have run for mayor every single time for like the past 10 games and have never won the election =( looks like we have to vote someone into office who's usually not a decent candidate at all if Sandroba is not running... You not getting elected 10 times in a row isn't exactly something nice, is it? :p Prplhz seems to be running on bullshit Gonzaw is someone who noone with a functioning brain should want in a position of power Same probably goes for me and Chezinu... Gawd I was so hoping for Sandroba and now I'm stuck with these people... we really needed more vets in this game, this is troublesome | ||
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You'd come in 2nd though, if that makes you feel any better. Though I've got to admit I don't understand why he's not running at all. He get's shot n1 as town every single game, so he should want the bodyguards, shouldn't he? | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote: Welcome all. This is my first game with the big boys. So i will not run for mayor. In my head i do not understand.the commotion behind an incorrect lynch day1. I thought this was normal based on probability? Obviously the role holds great game changing power so i am looking for transparency in play and rationality in thought. Best of luck to all candidates the problem is not an incorrect lynch day1. The problem is mafia having an easy time d2 if we have someone elected who's hard to read and ON TOP OF THAT mislynches d1 because there will be stupid people and mafia can push that into chaos. Again, I'd much rather have someone I'm able to read properly early on as mayor to shut up those people and not even have that discussion, even if it happens to be a mislynch. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: Toad, what's more important to you, a mayor we can easily read as town or a mayor who has good enough reads to lynch scum day 1? getting someone elected who is clearly town should be the priority without a question. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:16 yamato77 wrote: I think there are many players that we could elect that would be very easy to read as town. Why are you sold on Sandroba? Isn't the main upside of electing him the fact that he has amazing reads as town and breaks the game? Is he especially easy to read day 1? Yeah defnitly. It shouldn't be a problem the get a proper read on one of the guys I listed earlier though and those are people I at least know to be somewhat decent whereas I don't have that kind of confirmation on the grand majority of this game. I mean if worse comes to worst I'll be voting someone like vivax no problem but I don't think we have to to ensure a townie being elected. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:30 grush57 wrote: Toadesstern what do you think of grush mayor? I think grush should under no circumstance get ANYWHERE close to a position of power. I'd rather vote WBG to be mayor than you. Luckily he's not in the game. I mean you're the guy who says stuff like "optimal play for town is to lynch grush around d3 no matter what", aren't you? And that as town, makeing me believe you actually think so. Why would I want something like that as a mayor. | ||
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We have a bunch of "good" options available, not too much but a few -> Out of those options available it shouldn't be too much of a problem to pick one guy who's looking good -> Therefore we don't have to opt for someone like Vivax imo. | ||
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I don't know, pretty sure you said it in some game I played it with you though. Anyways going to bed now, cya. | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote: @Clarity He doesn't think we have to vote someone like Vivax (someone he believes is easy to read) in order to ensure a townie being elected. I suppose I'll come out and give my plan for the day. I don't give a flying fuck right now who gets mayor. What I do care about is lynching scum, and to do that town needs to make a consolidated effort to scumhunt day 1 instead of this townhunting idea that Toad wants to put forth. I say we elect mayor based on whether they are scumhunting effectively. If people want to be mayor, they need to scumhunt, pick their day 1 lynch target, and let town decide based on the quality of the read. If there are multiple mayoral candidates who are picking the same target(s), then we can consider things like how easy it is to read that candidate, and how town they are, but I see no reason to waste all of day 1 figuring out who the most amount of people think is town when the name of the game is lynching scum, and the mayor has the sole power to do so today. To be elected mayor, a player needs good scum reads, not just the ability to look town for a cycle. can't sleep Anyways you know me and you know that that isn't what I said at all, neither was it what it was intended to look like... You played with me two games and you know that I'm the guy who HATES talking about townreads the most out of all the people on TL. From LVIII: On January 03 2013 11:39 Toadesstern wrote: Seriously, why do people start talking about townreads all the time? I hate that and nowadays everyone does it. Even you marv... you're better than that. There's no reason to talk about a townread, no matter how weak or how strong on d1 unless the guy in question is about to be lynched. Don't give people an easy time skating by by dropping some random townreads, talk about things you consider to be weird. Pretty sure I said something like that in YANMM as well, stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on townreads and you've been in both Yamato, so you should know that. What I said was: It should be easy to pick someone who's townish among the vets. I never said we should be talking about townreads or not scumhunt at all. Not once. Frankly speaking given the posts I did (I admit it's from the 2 other games...) you should have come to the conclusion that it's the exact opposite I'm telling people given the fact that you've been in both of them because I was openly stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on weak ass townreads they give. Did you completly forget who I am or are you trrying to misinterpret everything I stand for on TL-mafia on purpose? | ||
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On January 20 2013 14:13 gonzaw wrote: Toad, I got a question for you: What made you go from this: ..to this?: You did show intent on voting any of those guys initially, as long as they were the "towniest" out of that group, but then out of nowhere you discard most of those "vets", even when not much happened in between. Also what's this about "nobody with a functioning brain should want (gonzaw) in a position of power"? Care to expand on that? Other than not being "very sure" in some games, when I'm town I can catch scum fairly easy (relatively speaking), specially on D1. Aperture Mafia II should attest to that. You had a selfclaimed mafia in your last game we played together, who even claimed every single night action he did for confirmation which made sense with all the blue actions being claimed, ahead of time. because the game was already won and you didn't correctly read him as mafia. That kind of sticks in my head to be honest. I can catch mafia as town fairly easy as well if I'm having a good game. If I'm not I'm a total disaster, I'd say the same goes for you because you are the most stubborn guy I know. About the change: Well it's like I said, Sandro would be the only one I consider to have both important treats for a mayor combined. Noone else has those in this game so it's like this: Sandro >>>>>>Annul/gonzaw/prplhz/chez/Toad >>>>>>>>> everyone else | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:17 gonzaw wrote: You are still hung up because of Every man? (I take it you don't want me mayor because I made you lose >_> ) You do realize it's a completely different kind of game than "standard" mafia right? The anti-town factions in that game weren't trying to hide like they do in normal games. I'm good at catching the anti-town guys trying to hide Toad, what do you make of sandro not running for mayor? He didn't post anything other than that too, although I think he made another one-liner. For the life of me I can't figure out a "plan" town sandro can come up with that doesn't deal with him being mayor, so he's either bullshitting or severely sub-optimally playing (from his POV if he's town). Anyways it's getting late so Imma play some fifa and go to sleep oh it's fine. I've got the Drama queen award 2012 for a reason. I like to exaggerate, especially d1 to get things going. So you should be taking most things I say early on with a graint of salt. You're fine, you're just not the optimal solution. The optimal solution would be having Sandroba, Rad and Syllo all playing and being able to just pick one out of those 3 guys. That's obviously not going to happen because 2 of those guys aren't playing and the 3rd guy might end up being mafia if we're unlucky. About him not running: It's strange but it's not a tell imo. I don't think he'd get in here and tell people he's not running as mafia either, do you? He's not good as mafia but he's not that bad to think people will ignore it so it has to be something he'd do no matter of alignment because he's sick of how games are usually going for him. And I actually know that (being sick of how games are going for him) for a fact so I'm fine with him right now. Need him to post more though. | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? what do you make of this one: On January 20 2013 11:02 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + EDWOP. yeah you can probably ignore that, i had not read the meta. So if your not a VET, and vets are too valuable to let get lynched D1 but they will obviously get nkd pretty fast... how come we are making you mayor again? if you are in your view in the vet league what is your current view on list posts such as this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15025535 personally i find them decidedly anti town, and thus only unscummy(nullish) if I hold the belief the poster didnt know any better. do you hold a rigid policy view on their efficacy. What would you in this game make of player posting this: "Okay, I've been doing a stance analysis on the grush case and here's my promised post:" That says nothing alignment indicative about this game obviously, but it may say something about responsibility and that other thing that goes right along with it. I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons... ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 15:32 gonzaw wrote: Well yeah it may be too early to tell, but I can't figure out that "has to be something he'd do no matter of alignment" he might be doing. I figured out he might be a specific blue role (or scum counterpart) and is planning something regarding that, but I'm not too sure about that, and even if he was that role I don't know how it'd benefit him not running for mayor either way On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote: I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/ I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing. Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. The first one reads like ignore and keep on reading his posts to figure out which one it is to me, which is exactly what I'm saying. The second one is weird. I'd usually say it's a semi scumslip due to the wording but he's not a native speaker so I usually ignore it and on top of that I hadn't a lot of luck with those finds lately :p "I needed to find all my own reasons" sounds really troublesome. But it's a good thing you're not going total jackshit on him I guess. | ||
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On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read". I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again? And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again: In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor. If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good. Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote: Don't know what are you trying to acheive there Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:47 austinmcc wrote: Toad, if you're still around. Rough guess as to what % of players in this game you/other vets have played with before? If it's low, does that affect your pool of mayor candidates at all? there's a lot of people I haven't played with before and a lot of the vets in this game are ones which haven't played in a while so I'd say it's even worse for them. No it doesn't affect the pool. And the "pool" isn't fixed. It's a "pool" of people I'd prefer if possible, nothing else. | ||
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On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 04:39 DearestSnot wrote: Hi. Is there anyone currently running on the platform of lynching prplhz? As far as I could tell, the answer to that is no. Since it seems no one is interested in that, let me propose that we vote someone into mayor who will lynch prplhz today. I'm willing to be that person if need be. Sandroba actually is, except for the fact that he's not running. | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:57 annul wrote: funny, yet useless postfuck you toad; you would rather vote someone who does not even want the candidacy instead of me? =( not funny, but still useless post considering it's you. Other than that there's only your first post of the game to go by. So far gonzaw is the only one of the people running who is willing to post a decent amount, which doesn't meant crap because he's very much like I am when playing mafia... Though what he's posting isn't necessarily bad. | ||
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So ##vote Gonzaw Still would like to hear more from other people like Sandro, prplhz and annul. | ||
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On January 21 2013 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: I'm on gonzaw for now. I like his most recent post for several things. Mostly talking about stuff I picked up as well, mostly stuff I agree on, mostly stuff I'm not sure mafia-gonzaw would pay enough attention to, to come to the same conclusion as I as well did. So ##vote Gonzaw Still would like to hear more from other people like Sandro, prplhz and annul. gawd gonzaw in a posting frenzy. I was referring to this post: + Show Spoiler [click me!] + On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: @Vivax: You being AFK after your candidacy post was weird because I'd think a townie would post his candidacy and hang around for a while to respond to questions. You going afk seemed too sudden as well. If you say you were sleeping, then I guess that's null and there's nothing we can do about it, since it's most likely true regardless of your alignment. I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative. Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something. Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass. I do have to say that I agree with austin that JieXian's 1st post wasn't as "scummy" as many people (you+sandro) pointed out, it's null at worst. I think the 1st posts from many other people would be "far" more scummy (in relation, not objectively at least), like our guy Stutters' up there, and maybe other's like FiveTouch, or maybe even debears. Why did you give Jiexian so much flak Vivax? Why did you instantly want to lynch him instead of other's (based on their 1st post as well)? Speaking of those, 5's first post is somewhat suspicious: First statement in the whole game and it's just to cast doubt on someone random from the thread. Of course not mentioning the unfounded vote on austin...which to be honest is more of a null tell than scum tell since I can't really see much benefit to do so as scum, other than the usual "create chaos/wifom" strategy. He doesn't come in to post his thoughts on any current discussion, nor to be part of any discussion/etc. That's what townies usually do, to try to establish a nice town atmosphere, get info, and establish their innocence. Reminds me of JingleHell's first posts in Aperture Mafia 2 (where he was scum and i called him out for basically the same thing). There's not much about debears other than a "derp" start, so let's just wait and see what he does when he comes back. and not the one above my original. In fact I haven't even read that one yet :3 | ||
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On January 21 2013 05:53 gonzaw wrote: Well...it seems i have the habit of posting here when nobody else is around to respond back (or post about other things) so I like quadriple post lol .....maybe I'm doing that intentionally as scum! :O :O >_> has something to do with the fact that I try to consolidate my posts because I've been told I'm a mess when posting while you don't give a crap about that and just keep on going full LI on us with 10515816ß16apm while we're (I'm assuming there's more than just me here) still reading. Chill down a bit, take your time and check back in in 30 minutes or something like that. As much as I want to read more from people I don't want you to to post more than you're already doing. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:15 DearestSnot wrote: Lol I just failsmurfed. I'm wbg where did you failsmurf? Am I missing something? oO Also yeah, gonzaw is TL's very own Boxxy. | ||
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On January 21 2013 08:14 FiveTouch wrote: No particular reason. well you're paying attention, so wouldn't mind voting you... Although I don't like giving away the kind of information you're giving away right now because it opens up all possibilities of being manipulated, but that's fine with me right now. You seem like you know what you're doing. Can I convince you to run for mayor? :p | ||
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On January 21 2013 08:22 FiveTouch wrote: What kind of information are you referring to? Being mayor would be terrific, but I'm not going to run a platform to try to get people to vote for me. You know, that stuff about austin / my post. If you keep on telling mafia that kind of stuff they know how to pull strings on you which is the reason I'd rather have people keep that to themselves and why I never mentioned it / why I keep telling people to not talk about townreads. I find it hard to stay unaffected when everyone knows what I'm building my (town-)reads on. | ||
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While it might be that FiveTouch is paying enough attention for something like that as mafia I really consider it a way stronger tell on austin. ##vote austin | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:20 Djodref wrote: I'm also sorry for stating the obvious, but the guy in second position gets to be sherrif, and that's a good spot for the mafia as well (immune to detection and night kills as well). I think we should organize ourselves so we have two town players on the key positions, that is mayor AND sherrif. That's why I don't think we should vote sandroba if he doesn't prove us that he is town today. I'm not convinced at all for the moment. and we should try to not have the guy asking to be sheriff be the sheriff (hint: it's dearestsnot) | ||
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If this guy is really WBG like he said he's mafia. If he's not WBG idk. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:33 DearestSnot wrote: I'm mafia by virtue of my identity? Cool story bro, you're dumb by virtue of yours. you are an ass if your town. You haven't been so far. You are buddying slightly if your mafia, you have so far. you posted this one: On January 21 2013 08:56 DearestSnot wrote: Your rule is the one that the first person to call you scum is scum? I actually don't remember. I'd be down to kill Oats. You guys wanna elect me to mayor? I'll lynch Oats or prplhz. I'm going to ignore any mayoral candidates who have no intention of lynching into those two. FT would you be down with that? If so, we should run for mayor together, and then we can take mayor/sheriff. which is a highly problematic post. While I can see that you want prplhz and I can understand why, the "ignoring everyone else who disagrees" is just bullshit. The last part about becomming mayor / sheriff together is really something I don't want someone to post.. TL;DR Kind of. The first 2 points are about you and how you usually post. The last points about the that one post has nothing to do with who you are. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:52 yamato77 wrote: Did I say I would like a bugs election? I don't think so. I wanted to know why Toad didn't, but not because I did. I'm not sure yet. People are doing some weird shit this game. like what? | ||
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I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote: @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. I wouldn't suggest Yamato. He's very much "in your face" without thinking to much, which usually is a towntreat for him but there's some things that give me a headache about him. Also: + Show Spoiler [debears] + On January 20 2013 09:31 debears wrote: /confirm On January 20 2013 10:57 debears wrote: I refuse to vote vivax I support a chezinu election On January 20 2013 11:01 debears wrote: I wanna see a serious chezinu. Besides, I heard he has pretty good reads. Also, if I recall in his past games I've looked at, anytime he has a blue role he does well You need to start posting debears. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote: What do you think of my interaction with Vivax right now? you're both a bunch of idiots to me right now. But that's fine. | ||
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You're smashing your heads against each other for no particular reason. But that's what people do in mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote: For no reason. You don't think vivax is scummy for the post I pointed out? Why not? no I don't think he's scummy at all. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:36 yamato77 wrote: I think you missed the 'why not' part. Now I'm just trying to decide whether you did it intentionally or not. he's like the towniest town in this town. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:02 sandroba wrote: @bugs i want to vote vivax/toad/ft, one of those 3 would be fine with me. I found his (prpl's) first out of character, but I'm not 100% convinced on it yet. I'd much rather lynch oats or jx. more inclined to lynch oats right now. Not voting you, i don't think i can tell if you are town d1 =P Good look trying to convince people to give me a role that makes me uncheckable for DTs :p Except for that I basicly agree here 100%. I would LOVE to be mayor or sheriff but it's not going to happen, no need chasing that, so I would be up for a FT + Vivax combination. Oats looks like a decent lynch. JX is to soon to call something imo. Prplhz reminds me of how he played when I was 3rd party assassin in whatever the name was stylewise... I think he was pretty lurkish that game as well. Until I started telling people to lynch him that is. So yeah, wouldn't say prplhz is a good lynch although I his lack of posting is odd right now. But there's other people like that as well and I usually end up not wanting those lynches because if we have the option out of multiple (picture 3+) people like that who are all scummy for basicly the same thing it's way too easy for mafia to push the wrong one. | ||
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Vivax looks like a decent 2nd imo. Or like Sandro said I myself as well but that's not going to happen :3 | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:22 DearestSnot wrote: prplhz's lack of posting isn't that odd, it's 03:20 CET. Why Vivax for elected position? Or Toad LOL I wasn't talking about right now but in general. I do know that it's 3:20 CET. About why me or Vivax: Because those two are pretty much confirmed town. I'm a bit more so than vivax but the paranoia is too strong in people. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:40 Toadesstern wrote: I am. We need to figure out wether we want to have Vivax come in 2nd right now and it seems like everyone of importance seems to have come to the same conclusion that I have came to about you two, mostly about Vivax. Oh and sry, shouldn't have called you two idiots bashing heads. Children would have been more appropriate and fitting. screw you bugs, that was not directed at you but at Yamato. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:41 yamato77 wrote: He made a really big deal about it in the early game when I accused him. I don't know, I just find toad really scummy this game and I haven't before. It's odd enough for me to make sure he doesn't get elected. that fine, all you have to do is to vote vivax, the guy you want to be lynched to make sure he's getting second. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote: Why is Toad acting like Palmar? I don't like a single thing you are posting this game and you expect me to want to vote for someone you're supporting. What is this stupidity. because I'm in the position to post like that :3 | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:49 yamato77 wrote: Are you? Because I think a lot of people think you're full of shit right now and aren't so high on Vivax. yeah pretty sure I am | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Why havent you continues to pressure prplhz and annul Toad? Considering they were your top 'mayor' picks at the start of the game. You are posting a lot of shit, do you have any scum reads that you can expand on? Or you only have Vivax the confirmed town not reading my filter are you? I have asked about Annul at least once more, he's not posting, not much I can do about that. I have mentioned my thoughts about prplhz as well. I have mentioned my scumreads to be you, maybe prplhz earlier on although I'm not feeling to good about him lately (as in getting town vibes lately), maybe WBG but people seem to disagree about him. If you actually read my posts you will find them and you will find reasoning. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:56 Toadesstern wrote: not reading my filter are you? I have asked about Annul at least once more, he's not posting, not much I can do about that. I have mentioned my thoughts about prplhz as well. I have mentioned my scumreads to be you, maybe prplhz earlier on although I'm not feeling to good about him lately (as in getting town vibes lately), maybe WBG but people seem to disagree about him. If you actually read my posts you will find them and you will find reasoning. EBWOP oh and I mentioned you as well, totally forgot about that. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:03 yamato77 wrote: Toad explain to me how you think what you're doing is townie at all. Right now all I see is a bunch of playing foil to me and trying to piss me off. it's not about youl... I mean there's a pretty damn well reason why everyone out of Sandro / WBG / FT and myself as both of Vivax and you down as pretty certain town and it's reassuring to see that all 4 of us came to that conclusion (might answer some of those "why are you suddenly talking about a townread" questions). And so far neither of us has explained it so it's not a problem. So unless you think all 4 of us are mafia there's no reason for you to be concerned right now, unless you're mafia yourself... Same goes for the way I'm posting. There's reasoning behind it and noone of importance has an issue with it for a reason :3 | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad Reasoning for lynching me Oats looks like a decent lynch uhuh. Besides that post, you havent mentioned scum at all. you're asking a bunch of questions that are either utterly useless or aren't backed up at all. You have nonsensical posts in your filter defending people when you really shouldn't (the short version): On January 20 2013 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I made the response cause quick bandwagoning normally are town, and I was responding to who is in favour of lynching JieXian. Both sides of the case. Wishywashy. but Its early days. At a time when one guy mentioned JX while the complete rest of the thread ignored him. That's not bandwagoning at all, so why the need to defend him out of nowhere instead of checking what HE has to say himself? That's usually the strongest scumtreat there is in games of mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly you havent read my filter Djo, unless you and I have a different definition of aggressiveness. Toad, You skipped the question by attacking me. Please answer it what question? Was there another one besides "give reason for lynching me" ? because I'm pretty damn sure I answered that one. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote: Djo, Toad, Vivax all lean red. Sandro is close to red for how lazy his scumreads are. Five and WBG are in a similar area to Sand, but WBG looks the towniest of them all so far. I would lynch into any of the first three. because your entire reasoning for saying someone is mafia is "guy disagrees with me, has to be mafia" right? Remember what Keirathi / Marv / Palmar said in the YANMM obs about you? Something along the lines of "never have seen someone being so confident in himself when being oh so wrong every single time". And no your "team" of mafia makes no sense if you try and think about it for a second unless all of WBG, five, Sandro and I are mafia, which is ridiculous to say the least. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:10 yamato77 wrote: I'm not going to be wrong forever. You still have yet to explain how I am even wrong. Stop posting bullshit attacks on me and get your shit together or I swear I will get you lynched. the point is that you keep on posting "guy is annoying / disagrees with me therefore he has to be mafia" and people have repeatetly told you so. In every single game, every single read I have ever seen from you and you're doing it again. That's not a mafiatreat. I have yet to see a single reason for lynching anyone you porposed as "mafia" because nothing you mentioned comes even close to being something a mafia is likely to do instead of a townie. You know, like stuff that was mentioned about oats, the fact that he felt like defending someone out of nowhere for no reason, which, as you might have realized as well is something that everyone out of WBG / Sandro / Five / myself has mentioned as something incredibly scummy, except for Annul. Yet you're sitting here telling me Annul is your savior while Sandro / WBG / Five / myself (+Vivax because everyone but you thinks he's town?!?) are all mafia scheming some ridiculious 4 man mafia plan. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote: Yes, Toad, this is totally me just saying Vivax doesn't think like me and is there for scum, you got me. I think I did a pretty good job equating what he's doing with this post to scum motives in posts in my filter, and you brushing it off as him not agreeing with me is retarded and a malicious misrepresentation. You're just trying to make me look bad and get me angry at the same time. Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor? Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours? Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills. Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia? Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] + remember YANMN? He was busted on d2 or something like that and got 2 more spare days because we had debears claiming SK in the thread and modkills that made people think it's better to no-lynch once to get one more cycle in case Vivax SOMEHOW ended up flipping town You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats. | ||
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I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself. It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p | ||
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I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:13 gonzaw wrote: Why did you think Vivax should be mayor/sheriff again? Just because he's likely town? Like I said I'm not that sure of Five being town yet, don't really want to blindly say "yeah dude be mayor and have this dt protection and BGs" yet. If it comes down to it though, I wouldn't complain. If vivax or five are scum it'd be quite a bummer, but right now it seems like it's not the case, and not letting scum get those positions of power is good as well. ...also damn toad you are paranoid as fuck lol. I don't remember a single person in this game saying they aren't willing to give you DT-protection >_> You also know I don't need a DT check to catch you as scum, so don't worry about that Reasoning for vivax comes down to this: On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. That is reasoning for why someone like vivax, not why vivax in particular of course. | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote: I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is. would still like to have an explanation on that one. I don't know where that pic is from and that "wifom?" post from grush is weird to say the least, either way lol | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:38 annul wrote: yes, i am calling your statement wifom. that picture is from the movie "the princess bride;" specifically, the scene where the phrase "wine in front of me" comes from. youtube it. A clever man once told me townies end up saying : "I don't think that's a reasonable assumption at all" Mafias usually say: "That's totally wifom! (although it makes sense it's not confirmed!)" and it's not comming down to him being too stupid to be mafia like yamato said (although I've got to admit that's part of it) but rather his carefree posting and him not being scared at all, like gonzaw mentioned as well. | ||
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On January 21 2013 14:56 gonzaw wrote: Hey Toad, now that you are here, what do you finally conclude about sandro? I remember you saying you'd need him to post more and appear and stuff. Well I doubt sandro will do much more than what he did already this day, so what do you make of it? The only game I think I remember him not doing "that much" as town or being lazy was Bureaucracy (I think he was there, was he?), although not this extreme. I'm wary of him being scum though, because it doesn't feel like his Liar Game play, although if I suspect he is what he is, then that's irrelevant and null. I'd say he's fine right now. Not anywhere clear at all but he makes sense, he's lazy and he isn't posting an awful lot. No reason to be scared imo. Also I believe his story / reasoning for not wanting to run for mayor right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:12 annul wrote: a clever man once told me "do not use wifom arguments in mafia games" but alas i am not talking about people "being too stupid" or whatever, i am referring specifically to your comments saying basically "do you really think a mafia would do something like that?" which is literally textbook wifom there is nothing in a game of mafia that is not wifom until you see a flip. Every argument you can and will make comes down to making a call on what is the most likely scenario and about wether your call on that question is reasonable or not. If you think he's mafia fine with me. I don't right now. Not saying he's anywhere like a clear townie either and people should keep an eye on him because it could be he's got a smart mafia on his team (that would be someone like WBG or myself imo :p) telling him to do exactly that but unless that's the case I take my explanation as the more likely scenario. Especially knowing I'm town myself. Especially knowing pretty much everyone besides Yamato and you agrees with me on the matter. | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:37 debears wrote: I'd be willing to lynch Toad at this point. His posting vibes are way off from his previous town games that I've played with him in last time you tried to lynch me while everyone was disagreeing you got lynched as SK, just saying. | ||
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On January 21 2013 15:43 debears wrote: Gonzaw Do you honestly believe a town vivax would see himself good enough to be a good mayor? Hell I purposely didn't post a mayoral election because I decided it wouldn't be beneficial for town when there are vets who are much better than me newsflash: it's unreasonable either way. It comes down to wether or not you really think he'd have the balls to do what you're telling me he is doing as mafia, on purpose. | ||
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On January 21 2013 16:08 annul wrote: oh i see, so you think the declared candidates in that list (me, gonzaw, chez) are not town? I didn't know who five and the wbg smurf were at that point in time... Obviously would have included them as well had I known who they are. | ||
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Could we get an update on the votecount somewhere? | ||
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On January 21 2013 17:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Who is currently running for mayor other than the retards who want to lynch me? do you have reads in textform or in form of colored names? | ||
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Don't make chez sheriff pretty pls. | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:48 yamato77 wrote: You guys are making it too fucking obvious for me to ignore. Well I have no control over his actions | ||
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On January 22 2013 03:53 yamato77 wrote: One of you is almost certainly scum, and I'm inclined to believe you both are. I am inclined to believe Vivax isn't. I know I am not. | ||
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On January 22 2013 04:05 sandroba wrote: vote for ft then, i want to elect austin as sheriff you traitor | ||
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On January 22 2013 04:07 yamato77 wrote: If it means blocking the scummy toad/vivax combo with their stuff I guess it's worth it. Make fucking sure those two do not get elected. No fucking idea why they're acting the way they are. well it's not going to be vivax + Toad at all. Five is going to become mayor, it's only about the sheriff. You said youself you're probably wrong about me due to bias, also we got gonzaw, Sandro and five (kind of, he never said I'm mafia and he chipped in a bit when you said I'm mafia together with everyone else) saying I'm pretty certainly town. Other people like austin apparently agreeing as well. So if it's just one of us, because it's only about the sheriff role and not the mayor. Would you be good with that or are you really back to "Toad + Vivax have to be mafia" ? | ||
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Gonzaw vote me! You know it's the right thing to do :p | ||
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And I'm pretty sure it's easier to get a 5th vote on me than on chez. I could just tell Sandroba to vote me... | ||
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On January 22 2013 06:49 Toadesstern wrote: wtf vivax. Don't vote chez he's the most unreadable guy around... And I'm pretty sure it's easier to get a 5th vote on me than on chez. I could just tell Sandroba to vote me... or gonzaw... the guy is still voting himself... There is not a SINGLE reason to have chez come in second. | ||
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On January 22 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote: Toad. Tell me why I shouldn't be worried about your coy/cryptic question when you were so willing to out your role in LV in order to be mayor. ? what are you talking about? | ||
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On January 22 2013 07:36 austinmcc wrote: Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting. It's pure speculation, but I WOULD assume that if one/multiple of the more veteran players in this game rolled scum, they'd be trying to exert control over the votes. It seems like there's been enough variety in candidates, but still with a few main vote-getters, that scum can't just be sitting pretty all day not having to do a thing. Me bringing up annul shouldn't count for anything alignment-wise. I'm just noting that Chezinu is courting votes from a couple people who seem to be lurking, and Toad was courting Gonzaw's lone vote. Neither of them courted Annul, who has both a lone vote AND is relatively lurky. It wasn't bringing up his play, wasn't comparing him to the Liquid City game, but just noting that his vote was sitting all alone and yet neither of them were speaking to him. it's just that most vets assume that annul could very possibly be mafia right now and not worth the fuss unlike other people who are so obviously town. | ||
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On January 22 2013 07:44 austinmcc wrote: This post: which I took to at least be HINTING that you had a role or something, or maybe trying to draw shots by hinting that, compared with:+ Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 21:19 Toadesstern wrote: Lol game started and it's already 6 pages. Anyways Mayoral Campaign before anything else here we go! I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy:
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted): + Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] + L: Erandorr, turned out red. Next one: Sandroba, turned out red AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game. Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2: I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself. So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious. If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan useless That's it, reading the thread now :p On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote: Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Both big mayoral games. In LV you went big out of the gate, posting a campaign. Within like 7 hours of that, you claimed your mason recruiter ability, and did a lot of your campaigning based on the fact that you were blue and could ensure your townieness by masoning folks. You've got to admit that you're little "What if I did this?" question is cryptic, and perhaps I just interpreted it differently than everyone, but I couldn't help noticing that it was very much unlike LV when you campaigned on your role. oh yeah well I took a lot of criticismn for my play in LV. I was obviously town in that game, everyone knew it but I was still causing way too much confusion so I'd tried to not do the same again this time around. But since you already posted it... it's obviously the same thing again :p Sandro doesn't think I'd have the balls to play like that as mafia and thinks I'm pretty much confirmed town, although he seems to be paranoid because he hasn't figured out the mafia vet yet, which means there's got to be someone out there. I'd say it's chez or Annul but neither I nor him are sure about it. So yeah, make me Sheriff pretty please, don't let Chez get in second and while I disagree with Sandro, I'd probably have the balls, I'm apparently looking very townish because of it. | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:14 Vivax wrote: I try to lie a lot and attract attention to me by playing inconsistently so that I can lead my scumbuddies to victory obviously, why do you ask? Until Toad gets another vote you'll be sheriff top candidate if I switch to Toad (you still are cause you got majority first I think). So my vote stays where it is. Pointless question, I already said why I switched to Chez before. I'm writing a JX analysis. Gonzaw already said he's willing to vote me if he's not getting mayor... | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:26 yamato77 wrote: Austin finding out my problem with Vivax's play this whole game. I've only been shouting it for the last 24 hours. I'm not so happy if Toad gets sherrif but I am not outright opposing it any longer. Vivax being retarded shouldn't affect my read of toad. what do you make of the information that I'm a masoned and masoned Sandro 10 secs into d1? Think I'd do that as mafia? | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote: Mason isn't alignment-determinative this game, but if you believe he's townie then no, there's not really a reason not to try and get him protection. I do like the idea of Toad, if he's town, being able to engage in mason chats without risking a night kill, or with scum having to out 1-2 members in order to take him out quickly. do you think I as a mafia would mason town sandroba? It's either both Sandro and me town or Sandro mafia (unlikely) and I am town. | ||
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Anyways Gonzaw do your thing, make me sheriff! | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:19 austinmcc wrote: First, just so you know I'm town, you could also both be scum with you actually being a mason, holding the mason power for a single cycle, and pretty much knocking the thought out of anyone's head that you could both be scum. I'm going to assume you didn't lend your account info to drazerk though, and instead be 99.99% sure that's not what is happening. I think that you would generally play the same way as mafia or town. If townToad would mason Sandro, then scumToad would likely do the same, otherwise you'd end up getting caught later for no good reason. But that's not really a factor here. I thought strongly that you were town at the beginning of this cycle. There was a weird point in the middle where I became less sure. I'm trying to figure out where I became less certain, to put in my full due diligence, but I was also just sitting around seeing what would happen after your claim. Yeah I somewhat agree. Both on the fact that I forgot about the double mafia possibility (because I'm not and you don't seem to believe it either, but yeah it's possible) and on the fact that I'd probably do the same as mafia. If not, I'm totally going to do it next time I roll mafia because of this :p But people generally consider it a towntell because they don't think I've got the balls to do that as mafia. Either way what it means is that I'll continue masoning strong people and if I'm really mafia I'm helping you figure me out this way by doing so and I won't be a problem. On top of that I'm actually just town and it's really awesome to have a mason for that role for reasons you already mentioned :p | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:30 austinmcc wrote: Alright then. Do you feel completely happy with FT as mayor? His vote-getting and mayorship in general? If not, do you feel like you can answer honestly or is that giving something away? We have the option to adjust which of you is which, I suppose, and I don't think that the D1 lynch is fully telling, but him as mayor means both us getting info from his D1 lynch AND giving him a triple vote foevah. I'm good with him being mayor. I don't know if I like his lynchchoice the best but it's decent. I had 3 horrible games in a row and Sandro realized that I'm way more conservative when I showed him my read-sheet and it's because I'd rather see at least 1 or 2 people flip to get some confidence back. So I don't think I should be the one deciding the d1 lynch, again another reason I didn't run for mayor to begin with until I realized sheriff is pretty damn nice as mason as well. | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:33 AxleGreaser wrote: TLDR; So you Buddied Sandro Straight out of the gate without even a reason.... except that doing it straight of the gate was known by you to be WIFOM for Im town guys. So did you GAF if Snadro was scum you were masoning or Town? Wheres the suspicion? The reasoning was: Sandroba is by far the best player. I wanted Sandroba to be mayor if he's town at that point in time so I wanted to be able to read him as good as possible so I straight up masoned him. Also as you said I'm hard to read and I'm pretty damn good as mafia. Giving you guys (via proxxy thanks to Sandro) a possibilty to read me better is only beneficial. So yeah, I straight up masoned him to so that I am able to read HIM decently as soon as possible and so that he is able to read me decently as soon as possible. | ||
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Mafia probably has very little powerroles but a GF pretty much has to be in play and it's usually given to someone vet-ish... | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:17 FiveTouch wrote: You're welcome to expand on this thought. on the missing GF part or on the mafia has problably few powerroles? | ||
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[20.01.2013 02:46:34] Erik: hey [20.01.2013 02:46:37] Erik: we're masoned! [20.01.2013 02:50:45] Erik: you here? [20.01.2013 03:44:39] Sandro Maculan: sup [20.01.2013 03:44:44] Sandro Maculan: just got here [20.01.2013 03:44:57] Erik: not much going on in the thread yet [20.01.2013 03:45:10] Sandro Maculan: i'm completely [20.01.2013 03:45:13] Sandro Maculan: utterly [20.01.2013 03:45:18] Sandro Maculan: immensily [20.01.2013 03:45:20] Sandro Maculan: drunk [20.01.2013 03:45:30] Erik: weeeeeeell [20.01.2013 03:45:35] Erik: means I get to read you better [20.01.2013 03:45:53] Sandro Maculan: my pm says nothing about mason [20.01.2013 03:45:55] Sandro Maculan: wtf [20.01.2013 03:46:00] Erik: i masoned you [20.01.2013 03:46:03] Sandro Maculan: oh [20.01.2013 03:46:14] Sandro Maculan: hmm [20.01.2013 03:46:25] Sandro Maculan: u can use it during the day [20.01.2013 03:46:32] Erik: yeah once every cycle [20.01.2013 03:46:39] Erik: and it's just for one cycle [20.01.2013 03:47:01] Erik: so I figured I'd go for you to try and get a could idea about wether I want you to be mayor [20.01.2013 03:47:08] Sandro Maculan: what are the chances [20.01.2013 03:47:14] Sandro Maculan: we both are town in this roster [20.01.2013 03:47:20] Erik: and you might die early if you're town so no need to wait longer to mason you^^ [20.01.2013 03:47:34] Erik: I wouldn't say they're bad [20.01.2013 03:47:40] Sandro Maculan: i dont wanna be mayor [20.01.2013 03:47:45] Erik: why? [20.01.2013 03:47:51] Sandro Maculan: dunno [20.01.2013 03:47:59] Sandro Maculan: i figured i'd try something different [20.01.2013 03:48:08] Erik: well you'll get shot if you're town... [20.01.2013 03:48:16] Sandro Maculan: sure [20.01.2013 03:48:22] Sandro Maculan: that's okay [20.01.2013 03:48:50] Erik: so I have to find someone else to make mayor... [20.01.2013 03:49:00] Erik: because I don't want myself or chezinu as mayor to be honest [20.01.2013 03:49:11] Sandro Maculan: i was hopping you would run [20.01.2013 03:49:14] Sandro Maculan: no? [20.01.2013 03:49:25] Erik: and with you out of the field that leaves people like prplhz. annul and gonzaw [20.01.2013 03:49:35] Sandro Maculan: i think i can tell wether chez is mafia [20.01.2013 03:49:41] Erik: don't think we need someone as troublesome as me as mayor [20.01.2013 03:49:48] Erik: same reason I don't want chez as mayor [20.01.2013 03:50:10] Erik: because no matter what happens there'll be a shitstorm d2 if either chez or I end up being mayor... [20.01.2013 03:50:57] Sandro Maculan: you are okay [20.01.2013 03:51:12] Erik: I just had the 3 worst games of my life [20.01.2013 03:51:18] Erik: I don't think I'm okay :D [20.01.2013 03:51:34] Sandro Maculan: how did i end up in the same line [20.01.2013 03:51:48] Sandro Maculan: as you gonzaw annul, prpl and chez [20.01.2013 03:51:52] Sandro Maculan: OMG | ||
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I don't think he'd do that as mafia and it felt genuine how he doubted it later on. | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:32 FiveTouch wrote: Please don't edit out anything related to this game. I don't think that's what you meant, but yeah. I'm planning on editing out thoughts about what I might do if I end up being sheriff and the link to my sheet (picture of the sheet that is). | ||
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[20.01.2013 02:46:34] Erik: hey [20.01.2013 02:46:37] Erik: we're masoned! [20.01.2013 02:50:45] Erik: you here? [20.01.2013 03:44:39] Sandro Maculan: sup [20.01.2013 03:44:44] Sandro Maculan: just got here [20.01.2013 03:44:57] Erik: not much going on in the thread yet [20.01.2013 03:45:10] Sandro Maculan: i'm completely [20.01.2013 03:45:13] Sandro Maculan: utterly [20.01.2013 03:45:18] Sandro Maculan: immensily [20.01.2013 03:45:20] Sandro Maculan: drunk [20.01.2013 03:45:30] Erik: weeeeeeell [20.01.2013 03:45:35] Erik: means I get to read you better [20.01.2013 03:45:53] Sandro Maculan: my pm says nothing about mason [20.01.2013 03:45:55] Sandro Maculan: wtf [20.01.2013 03:46:00] Erik: i masoned you [20.01.2013 03:46:03] Sandro Maculan: oh [20.01.2013 03:46:14] Sandro Maculan: hmm [20.01.2013 03:46:25] Sandro Maculan: u can use it during the day [20.01.2013 03:46:32] Erik: yeah once every cycle [20.01.2013 03:46:39] Erik: and it's just for one cycle [20.01.2013 03:47:01] Erik: so I figured I'd go for you to try and get a could idea about wether I want you to be mayor [20.01.2013 03:47:08] Sandro Maculan: what are the chances [20.01.2013 03:47:14] Sandro Maculan: we both are town in this roster [20.01.2013 03:47:20] Erik: and you might die early if you're town so no need to wait longer to mason you^^ [20.01.2013 03:47:34] Erik: I wouldn't say they're bad [20.01.2013 03:47:40] Sandro Maculan: i dont wanna be mayor [20.01.2013 03:47:45] Erik: why? [20.01.2013 03:47:51] Sandro Maculan: dunno [20.01.2013 03:47:59] Sandro Maculan: i figured i'd try something different [20.01.2013 03:48:08] Erik: well you'll get shot if you're town... [20.01.2013 03:48:16] Sandro Maculan: sure [20.01.2013 03:48:22] Sandro Maculan: that's okay [20.01.2013 03:48:50] Erik: so I have to find someone else to make mayor... [20.01.2013 03:49:00] Erik: because I don't want myself or chezinu as mayor to be honest [20.01.2013 03:49:11] Sandro Maculan: i was hopping you would run [20.01.2013 03:49:14] Sandro Maculan: no? [20.01.2013 03:49:25] Erik: and with you out of the field that leaves people like prplhz. annul and gonzaw [20.01.2013 03:49:35] Sandro Maculan: i think i can tell wether chez is mafia [20.01.2013 03:49:41] Erik: don't think we need someone as troublesome as me as mayor [20.01.2013 03:49:48] Erik: same reason I don't want chez as mayor [20.01.2013 03:50:10] Erik: because no matter what happens there'll be a shitstorm d2 if either chez or I end up being mayor... [20.01.2013 03:50:57] Sandro Maculan: you are okay [20.01.2013 03:51:12] Erik: I just had the 3 worst games of my life [20.01.2013 03:51:18] Erik: I don't think I'm okay :D [20.01.2013 03:51:34] Sandro Maculan: how did i end up in the same line [20.01.2013 03:51:48] Sandro Maculan: as you gonzaw annul, prpl and chez [20.01.2013 03:51:52] Sandro Maculan: OMG [20.01.2013 03:51:55] Erik: ? [20.01.2013 03:51:59] Sandro Maculan: hahaha [20.01.2013 03:52:03] Erik: well that's the alternatives... [20.01.2013 03:52:08] Sandro Maculan: =P [20.01.2013 03:52:11] Sandro Maculan: i'm j/k [20.01.2013 03:52:24] Erik: I haven't seen annul and prplhz play in a while [20.01.2013 03:52:41] Erik: prplhz is troublesome because his play is erratic resultwise so not sure about that [20.01.2013 03:52:42] Sandro Maculan: i'ma find a townie mother fucker [20.01.2013 03:52:50] Erik: annul hasn'T played in a while [20.01.2013 03:52:56] Erik: and gonzaw is just straight up annoying [20.01.2013 03:53:06] Sandro Maculan: the ones that post "I'm scum!" first post [20.01.2013 03:53:18] Sandro Maculan: then i''l vote for him [20.01.2013 03:53:33] Sandro Maculan: prpl may be scum from his 1st post [20.01.2013 03:53:44] Sandro Maculan: i wont be voting for him [20.01.2013 03:54:16] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=11#210 [20.01.2013 03:54:17] Erik: that one? [20.01.2013 03:54:58] Erik: it looks someone bad I guess but it's really early d1 so I wouldn't put to much into it [20.01.2013 03:55:08] Erik: the only read I've got so far is that vivax guy [20.01.2013 03:55:40] Sandro Maculan: has nothing to do with bad [20.01.2013 03:55:49] Erik: oh and AxleGreaser might be someone to look into [20.01.2013 03:55:52] Sandro Maculan: i just think it's a little out of character [20.01.2013 03:55:56] Erik: "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons..." that sounds really weird [20.01.2013 03:56:11] Sandro Maculan: huh? [20.01.2013 03:56:16] Sandro Maculan: what post does it say that [20.01.2013 03:56:27] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=11#216 [20.01.2013 03:56:30] Erik: the very bottom [20.01.2013 03:56:40] Erik: where he explains his reasoning for not voting vivax [20.01.2013 03:56:51] Sandro Maculan: meh [20.01.2013 03:56:57] Sandro Maculan: too soon to tell i think [20.01.2013 03:57:04] Sandro Maculan: specially from that dude [20.01.2013 03:57:12] Erik: might be him not being a native speaker but "I needed to find my own reasoning" sounds semi scumslip [20.01.2013 03:57:24] Erik: but I usually ignore those if it's not a native speaker^^ [20.01.2013 03:57:39] Sandro Maculan: he seems loose [20.01.2013 03:57:51] Sandro Maculan: already [20.01.2013 03:57:57] Sandro Maculan: that's a town tell [20.01.2013 03:58:12] Erik: never played with him before [20.01.2013 03:58:21] Sandro Maculan: i read a game [20.01.2013 03:58:23] Erik: so idk. from my point of view it's not^^ [20.01.2013 03:58:27] Sandro Maculan: he tried to lynch the host [20.01.2013 03:58:29] Erik: knowing how I play as mafia [20.01.2013 03:59:21] Erik: oh I've got a routerreset in 60 secs, be back in a min [20.01.2013 03:59:35] Sandro Maculan: k [20.01.2013 04:02:46] Erik: back [20.01.2013 04:03:05] Erik: how about I make you mayor nevertheless [20.01.2013 04:04:25] Sandro Maculan: i dont know if by the rules i can refuse being mayor [20.01.2013 04:04:38] Erik: I don't think you can^^ [20.01.2013 04:04:46] Erik: can't refuse being lynched either [20.01.2013 04:04:54] Sandro Maculan: anyway i dont want the troubble [20.01.2013 04:04:56] Erik: and it says it's the same as a lynch vote [20.01.2013 04:04:59] Sandro Maculan: i bet you 10 bucks [20.01.2013 04:05:06] Sandro Maculan: i will get shot n1 [20.01.2013 04:05:10] Sandro Maculan: and the 2 medics [20.01.2013 04:05:18] Sandro Maculan: will both protect someone random [20.01.2013 04:05:25] Sandro Maculan: =P [20.01.2013 04:05:28] Erik: exactly [20.01.2013 04:05:36] Sandro Maculan: it's gonna be nice [20.01.2013 04:05:45] Erik: which is the reasoning I want someone like you having bodyguards if you're town [20.01.2013 04:05:48] Sandro Maculan: i''ll never commit any reads [20.01.2013 04:05:52] Erik: so I don't see a reason for you not to run [20.01.2013 04:05:55] Sandro Maculan: and will claim i knew it all post game [20.01.2013 04:05:58] Sandro Maculan: gg [20.01.2013 04:06:21] Sandro Maculan: i kinda made up my mind pre game [20.01.2013 04:06:31] Sandro Maculan: no matter if i rolled mafia or town\ [20.01.2013 04:06:46] Sandro Maculan: actually i told syllo that i might run if mafia [20.01.2013 04:06:51] Sandro Maculan: for consistency [20.01.2013 04:08:04] Erik: oh gawd I so don't want to have someone like gonzaw as mayor [20.01.2013 04:08:09] Sandro Maculan: if you wre mafia do you think you would mason me? [20.01.2013 04:08:17] Erik: he's going to be so annoying [20.01.2013 04:08:23] Erik: could be, idk [20.01.2013 04:08:32] Sandro Maculan: did gonzaw even post yet? [20.01.2013 04:08:37] Erik: no he did not [20.01.2013 04:08:45] Erik: I'm just checking the playerlist [20.01.2013 04:08:58] Erik: and looking at who I'd be willign to vote in theory... [20.01.2013 04:09:09] Erik: about the mason thing if I were mafia: [20.01.2013 04:09:19] Erik: I had a decent pm game a couple days ago [20.01.2013 04:09:25] Erik: so I'd probably be confident as mafia [20.01.2013 04:09:26] Sandro Maculan: kinda awkward [20.01.2013 04:09:33] Sandro Maculan: i dont think i know anyone [20.01.2013 04:09:55] Sandro Maculan: besides you chez austin and annul [20.01.2013 04:10:09] Erik: and prplhz but you already ruled him out [20.01.2013 04:10:22] Sandro Maculan: oh yeah [20.01.2013 04:10:36] Sandro Maculan: dunno i didnt like his first post for some reason [20.01.2013 04:11:01] Erik: you never played with gonzaw before? [20.01.2013 04:11:10] Erik: you saw LI, didn't you? [20.01.2013 04:11:12] Sandro Maculan: yeah i did i think [20.01.2013 04:11:14] Sandro Maculan: 1 game [20.01.2013 04:11:27] Sandro Maculan: he just trolled from what i remember [20.01.2013 04:11:38] Erik: broodkingexe is someone you might know as well [20.01.2013 04:11:56] Sandro Maculan: i think i played 1 game with him [20.01.2013 04:12:06] Sandro Maculan: he was horrible [20.01.2013 04:12:14] Erik: yeah [20.01.2013 04:12:19] Sandro Maculan: grush too [20.01.2013 04:12:21] Erik: yes [20.01.2013 04:12:25] Erik: grush is horrible [20.01.2013 04:12:31] Sandro Maculan: i played last game with yamato [20.01.2013 04:12:33] Erik: there's a bunch of people being horrible [20.01.2013 04:12:44] Sandro Maculan: i think i would be able to tell if he is town [20.01.2013 04:13:04] Erik: i played with debears 2 games ago, he was SK and claimed SK in the thread telling town he's willing to help them if they don't lynch him [20.01.2013 04:13:16] Sandro Maculan: pretty good [20.01.2013 04:13:25] Sandro Maculan: no need to read him then [20.01.2013 04:13:27] Sandro Maculan: he will just claim [20.01.2013 04:13:36] Erik: ^^ [20.01.2013 04:13:56] Erik: he was kind of forced to do it to be honest but nevertheless [20.01.2013 04:13:58] Erik: it was odd [20.01.2013 04:14:21] Sandro Maculan: 5 mafia [20.01.2013 04:14:26] Sandro Maculan: is kind of a lot [20.01.2013 04:14:30] Sandro Maculan: for 22 players [20.01.2013 04:14:53] Sandro Maculan: mafia prb has just a few powers [20.01.2013 04:14:55] Sandro Maculan: prob no jack [20.01.2013 04:15:00] Erik: gonzaw and clarity screwed an already mathematically won game I played 3 games ago when I was mafia saying "well town and 3rd party can't win anymore, so let's lynch the jester so toad doesn't win" [20.01.2013 04:15:01] Sandro Maculan: and prob a town jack [20.01.2013 04:16:12] Erik: so those 2 are rather bad as well imo, because it wasn't literally that, but just them saying I'm the jester despite me claiming mafia in the thread with full night action claim and they weren't able to figure it out [20.01.2013 04:16:43] Erik: oh gonzaw posted, let's read [20.01.2013 04:18:28] Erik: not much he posted but he's running [20.01.2013 04:36:20] Erik: well I'm going to bed, 4 am over here, see you [20.01.2013 04:36:34] Sandro Maculan: gn man [20.01.2013 21:35:01] Erik: you here? [20.01.2013 23:37:29] Erik: one of the smurfs just claimed wbg [21.01.2013 02:06:24] Sandro Maculan: hey [21.01.2013 02:06:34] Sandro Maculan: just got back [21.01.2013 02:06:45] Erik: this one guy is really wbg [21.01.2013 02:06:52] Erik: and he wants to become sheriff [21.01.2013 02:07:00] Erik: I don't like him ;( [21.01.2013 02:07:15] Sandro Maculan: i have to catch up [21.01.2013 02:08:18] Sandro Maculan: wtf is oats talking about [21.01.2013 02:08:29] Erik: ? [21.01.2013 02:08:36] Sandro Maculan: quick bandwagoning [21.01.2013 02:08:59] Sandro Maculan: only vivax showed support for my jiexian acusation [21.01.2013 02:09:12] Sandro Maculan: then oats comes in with a nonsensical defense [21.01.2013 02:09:39] Erik: i don't even know what page your on 8( [21.01.2013 02:09:42] Erik: let me check [21.01.2013 02:09:51] Sandro Maculan: 17 [21.01.2013 02:10:43] Erik: yeah idk [21.01.2013 02:11:03] Erik: he has a point though [21.01.2013 02:11:04] Sandro Maculan: actually what happened [21.01.2013 02:11:11] Sandro Maculan: is that several people ignored it [21.01.2013 02:11:24] Erik: saying to lynch jieXian off of 2 posts is retarded and the easiest way to go for mafia [21.01.2013 02:11:29] Sandro Maculan: and then vivax, the towniest mofo so far came in and dug it up [21.01.2013 02:11:39] Sandro Maculan: what? [21.01.2013 02:11:57] Sandro Maculan: 1 post is enough to pin someone [21.01.2013 02:12:09] Sandro Maculan: mafia dont give themselves away in every post [21.01.2013 02:12:11] Erik: not with these new guys 8( [21.01.2013 02:12:24] Sandro Maculan: anyway [21.01.2013 02:12:38] Sandro Maculan: there wasnt much to go on at that time [21.01.2013 02:12:55] Sandro Maculan: but judging by the reactions i would say he is likely mafia [21.01.2013 02:13:57] Erik: his filter does look fishy [21.01.2013 02:14:17] Erik: he seems to be asking a lot of questions that are somewhat pointless and those that are not aren't backed up by anything [21.01.2013 02:14:27] Erik: so it does look like he's just trying to blend in [21.01.2013 02:14:56] Sandro Maculan: my question is [21.01.2013 02:14:57] Erik: but again, I'm really bad when it comes to those new guys.. I usually want people lynched I played before with [21.01.2013 02:15:08] Sandro Maculan: why are retards defending him before he even responds [21.01.2013 02:15:22] Erik: yeah that makes no sense [21.01.2013 02:15:34] Sandro Maculan: that annul post [21.01.2013 02:15:39] Erik: but it seems to be the current trent in newbie games [21.01.2013 02:18:44] Sandro Maculan: isnt xian talking about the jester thing about the previous game? [21.01.2013 02:18:54] Erik: yeah [21.01.2013 02:19:07] Erik: he was the medic who buddied with me that game [21.01.2013 02:19:17] Erik: and I had to betray him [21.01.2013 02:19:35] Sandro Maculan: look at this post by austin [21.01.2013 02:19:45] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=18#360 [21.01.2013 02:22:48] Erik: "I often find him scummy when he's town." [21.01.2013 02:22:54] Erik: that's odd [21.01.2013 02:23:02] Erik: and him going on about JX is as well [21.01.2013 02:23:07] Sandro Maculan: the reasons he thinks the post looks town [21.01.2013 02:23:17] Erik: but I actually have him down as town [21.01.2013 02:23:18] Sandro Maculan: look forced imo [21.01.2013 02:24:20] Erik: did he think JX thinks I am jester in this game? [21.01.2013 02:24:50] Sandro Maculan: yes [21.01.2013 02:27:18] Sandro Maculan: is gonzaw good [21.01.2013 02:27:32] Erik: he can be good [21.01.2013 02:27:37] Erik: he can be really bad [21.01.2013 02:27:47] Erik: he is one of the most stubborn people on TL [21.01.2013 02:27:58] Erik: and he's kind of like TL's boxxy [21.01.2013 02:28:19] Sandro Maculan: he wont lynch whoever i tell him to prob [21.01.2013 02:29:30] Erik: I still don't think austin is likely mafia at all, although that one big post looks odd [21.01.2013 02:29:36] Sandro Maculan: meh [21.01.2013 02:29:36] Erik: I just don't see him posting this:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=13#258 [21.01.2013 02:29:38] Erik: as mafia [21.01.2013 02:29:42] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=13#258 [21.01.2013 02:29:56] Sandro Maculan: he thinks me and vivax are "scummy" [21.01.2013 02:30:10] Sandro Maculan: vivax is ultra town [21.01.2013 02:30:13] Erik: people are way too lazy to look at stuff like that as mafia [21.01.2013 02:30:15] Erik: yeah he is [21.01.2013 02:30:21] Sandro Maculan: i'm kinda scummy i guess [21.01.2013 02:30:43] Erik: yamato is tricky right now [21.01.2013 02:30:51] Erik: he has those posts that look really townish [21.01.2013 02:30:56] Erik: but I'm scared about being wrong on that one [21.01.2013 02:31:00] Sandro Maculan: yamato has way less posts than his previous games [21.01.2013 02:31:17] Sandro Maculan: at least so far [21.01.2013 02:33:53] Sandro Maculan: i think oats is more likely to flip scum than jx [21.01.2013 02:34:25] Sandro Maculan: it felt really weird when he called me out [21.01.2013 02:34:27] Erik: i wouldn't mind lynching bugs to be honest [21.01.2013 02:34:41] Sandro Maculan: then i responded and he didnt post anything back [21.01.2013 02:35:08] Sandro Maculan: ? [21.01.2013 02:35:19] Sandro Maculan: so far i havent seen anything danming [21.01.2013 02:36:12] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=22#429 [21.01.2013 02:36:28] Erik: bugs buddying usually means mafia bugs [21.01.2013 02:36:55] Erik: on top of that he's indirectly asking to be voted into sheriff's position... [21.01.2013 02:37:27] Sandro Maculan: that's not alignment indicative [21.01.2013 02:37:37] Sandro Maculan: both mafia and town want the pos [21.01.2013 02:37:51] Sandro Maculan: and bugs knows he has bad reads as town d1 i guess [21.01.2013 02:38:05] Erik: hope so 8( [21.01.2013 02:38:34] Sandro Maculan: and actually the people he calls out on that post are pretty shaddy [21.01.2013 02:38:42] Sandro Maculan: so i'm ok with him so far [21.01.2013 02:40:34] Erik: http://www.wordsmith.org/animatedgifs/anim-DearestSnot_Toadesstern-Cu4G.gif [21.01.2013 02:40:36] Erik: LOL [21.01.2013 02:40:37] Erik: [21.01.2013 02:40:52] Sandro Maculan: i dont like djo aswell [21.01.2013 02:41:11] Sandro Maculan: rofl [21.01.2013 02:41:53] Erik: I wouldn't mind making vivax sheriff [21.01.2013 02:41:57] Erik: not sure who to make mayor yet though [21.01.2013 02:42:25] Sandro Maculan: vivax mayor [21.01.2013 02:42:28] Sandro Maculan: you sheriff [21.01.2013 02:42:36] Sandro Maculan: or the contrary [21.01.2013 02:42:42] Erik: I really don't want vivax to be mayor [21.01.2013 02:42:54] Erik: and I don't think people want me to be mayor or sheriff [21.01.2013 02:42:59] Erik: due to massive paranoia [21.01.2013 02:43:09] Sandro Maculan: meh [21.01.2013 02:43:15] Sandro Maculan: you masoned me first thing [21.01.2013 02:43:23] Sandro Maculan: i dont think you would do that as mafia [21.01.2013 02:43:52] Sandro Maculan: why is vivax being mayor a problem? [21.01.2013 02:44:34] Erik: I don't trust his reads [21.01.2013 02:44:39] Erik: he's kind of an idiot [note: in a very charming way :3 Didn't mean to insult it's just because you headbanging with yamato like little kids...] [21.01.2013 02:45:30] Sandro Maculan: prpl's post in page 22 looks kinda townish [21.01.2013 02:45:34] Sandro Maculan: what do you think [21.01.2013 02:46:01] Sandro Maculan: 23 [21.01.2013 02:46:10] Erik: yeah nothing on 22^^ [21.01.2013 02:46:22] Sandro Maculan: sorry i forgot i clicked next =P [21.01.2013 02:47:13] Erik: well looks like he's not scared [21.01.2013 02:47:26] Erik: " and the scum reads i have are pretty i'm not sure about them at all." [21.01.2013 02:47:32] Sandro Maculan: five touch reads like foolishness tbh [21.01.2013 02:47:39] Erik: someone said GM [21.01.2013 02:47:46] Sandro Maculan: nah [21.01.2013 02:47:48] Erik: but no idea if it's true [21.01.2013 02:47:56] Sandro Maculan: posting style looks like foolishness [21.01.2013 03:00:16] Erik: why isn't annul posting at all [21.01.2013 03:04:49] Sandro Maculan: no clue [21.01.2013 03:04:56] Sandro Maculan: his omgus commentary was terrible [21.01.2013 03:05:02] Erik: yeah [21.01.2013 03:05:35] Sandro Maculan: do you remember this game i'm talking about? [21.01.2013 03:05:46] Erik: which game? [21.01.2013 03:05:55] Sandro Maculan: last posts [21.01.2013 03:06:02] Sandro Maculan: a game which prpl rolled town [21.01.2013 03:06:05] Sandro Maculan: did terrible [21.01.2013 03:06:10] Sandro Maculan: subbed out or something [21.01.2013 03:06:49] Erik: I don't I remember anything like that [21.01.2013 03:07:13] Erik: I do remember games with him being terrible as town though^^ [21.01.2013 03:07:44] Erik: like the one palmar hosted when I was 3rd party and controlling town and to be frank it reads a lot like that game [21.01.2013 03:07:49] Erik: prplhz that is [21.01.2013 03:54:55] Sandro Maculan: ima hit the sack [21.01.2013 03:54:58] Sandro Maculan: gn man [21.01.2013 03:55:28] Erik: n8 [21.01.2013 19:22:12] Sandro Maculan: yo [21.01.2013 19:22:24] Sandro Maculan: what do you think about mkfuba [21.01.2013 19:22:30] Erik: am back [21.01.2013 19:22:47] Erik: I got him down as "no idea" right now [21.01.2013 19:23:08] Erik: annul is making me the biggest trouble right now to be honest [21.01.2013 19:23:23] Sandro Maculan: i normally think annul is scum d1 [21.01.2013 19:23:30] Sandro Maculan: and then d2 i can tell [21.01.2013 19:23:43] Sandro Maculan: but he is being dumb yes [21.01.2013 19:24:31] Sandro Maculan: jx never came back after the heat faded [21.01.2013 19:24:41] Erik: yeah [21.01.2013 19:26:50] Erik: that basicly what I'm at: [21.01.2013 19:26:50] Erik: *HERE BE LINK* [21.01.2013 19:26:54] Erik: green = leaning town [21.01.2013 19:27:00] Erik: yellow = leaning mafia [21.01.2013 19:27:04] Erik: white = now idea [21.01.2013 19:38:03] Erik: someone you disagree about? [21.01.2013 19:45:19] Sandro Maculan: it's kinda weird you have too much green [21.01.2013 19:45:31] Sandro Maculan: you normally dont do so much green this warly [21.01.2013 19:45:40] Sandro Maculan: but i agree [21.01.2013 19:45:45] Erik: as in you = me [21.01.2013 19:45:48] Erik: or you = people [21.01.2013 19:46:03] Sandro Maculan: you = you =P [21.01.2013 19:46:10] Sandro Maculan: i was hydra with you want [21.01.2013 19:46:23] Sandro Maculan: and i read a game which you posted one recently [21.01.2013 19:46:37] Erik: yeah I just had 3 horrible games in a row [21.01.2013 19:46:46] Sandro Maculan: sorry for the long wait i went out to buy a cigarret =P [21.01.2013 19:46:47] Erik: none of those I'm particularry proud of [21.01.2013 19:47:06] Sandro Maculan: want = once [21.01.2013 19:47:08] Sandro Maculan: rofl [21.01.2013 19:47:15] Erik: I'm still very certain about my townreads but the mafiareads are kind of shaky right now [21.01.2013 19:47:22] Erik: so I'm trying to keep them down a bit^^ [21.01.2013 19:47:38] Sandro Maculan: why do you think i'm town [21.01.2013 19:47:43] Sandro Maculan: people seem to be unsure [21.01.2013 19:47:59] Sandro Maculan: and i agree i'm not the shinning beacon of towness this game [21.01.2013 19:48:01] Erik: you're actually one of the guys I'm more uncertain about [21.01.2013 19:48:19] Erik: but you being mafia would mean I've got to be wrong about the majority of my townreads [21.01.2013 19:48:22] Erik: which just doesn't make sense right now [21.01.2013 19:48:46] Erik: and you've been pointing in the right directions. Like when I said wbg was mafia [21.01.2013 19:48:55] Erik: and you said you don't a see a reason for him to be mafia [21.01.2013 19:49:15] Erik: was utterly horrible by me and there was no reason to think he's mafia. Don't think you'd post like that as mafia [21.01.2013 19:51:38] Sandro Maculan: yes prob not [21.01.2013 19:52:15] Erik: this yamato guy is annoying [21.01.2013 19:52:15] Sandro Maculan: i think you should color annul white [21.01.2013 19:52:19] Sandro Maculan: yes [21.01.2013 19:52:20] Sandro Maculan: a lot [21.01.2013 19:52:33] Sandro Maculan: and mkfuba red =P [21.01.2013 19:53:07] Sandro Maculan: axle i have no clue [21.01.2013 19:53:21] Sandro Maculan: prob should be white too unless you seen his mafia meta [21.01.2013 19:55:53] Erik: anyways, taking a shower. [21.01.2013 19:56:45] Sandro Maculan: hmm i'm actually thinking austin right now [21.01.2013 19:57:01] Sandro Maculan: i see no possibility of him being mafia [21.01.2013 20:03:36] Erik: and I'm a mason, that's pretty awesome as elected role [21.01.2013 20:04:23] Sandro Maculan: true, but i stil think it's possible you are mafia =P [21.01.2013 20:04:32] Erik: wtf 8( [21.01.2013 20:04:46] Sandro Maculan: i'm getting paranoid at no good people at mafia team =( [21.01.2013 20:13:26] Sandro Maculan: do you see all these people you have white/yellow on voting for palmar [21.01.2013 20:13:40] Sandro Maculan: and he is set on lynching prpl [21.01.2013 20:13:49] Sandro Maculan: i think that makes prpl likely town [21.01.2013 20:14:40] Erik: it's only 3 people as far as I can see but yeah it's worrisome [21.01.2013 20:14:47] Erik: or however that is written in english [21.01.2013 20:14:56] Sandro Maculan: 3 out of 5 [21.01.2013 20:15:02] Erik: yeah it's "worrisome" [21.01.2013 20:15:03] Erik: yeah [21.01.2013 20:15:16] Erik: there's just a lot of people not voting right now [21.01.2013 20:15:19] Sandro Maculan: i dunno either so dont worry =P [21.01.2013 20:15:25] Erik: it's really hard to judge like that.. [21.01.2013 20:15:43] Sandro Maculan: why would these people vote ft [21.01.2013 20:15:47] Sandro Maculan: who is unknown [21.01.2013 20:15:50] Erik: because it could just be a coincidence right now [21.01.2013 20:15:54] Sandro Maculan: i doubt they can tell he is a smurf of someone good [21.01.2013 20:16:01] Erik: he's a vet [21.01.2013 20:16:23] Erik: someone said he's GM in the thread so pretty sure they can [21.01.2013 20:16:25] Sandro Maculan: that's not obvious to these guys imo [21.01.2013 20:16:39] Sandro Maculan: these people don't even know how gm plays [21.01.2013 20:16:43] Erik: and bugs made it pretty obvious as well [21.01.2013 20:16:48] Sandro Maculan: last time gm played was a long time ago [21.01.2013 20:17:52] Sandro Maculan: i don't know [21.01.2013 20:17:57] Sandro Maculan: it looks really weird to me [21.01.2013 20:20:41] Erik: bugs apparently posted with his smurf in another game he's playing [21.01.2013 20:20:50] Erik: and had to say that he's bugs or something like that [21.01.2013 20:21:06] Sandro Maculan: right [21.01.2013 20:21:10] Erik: didn't see it but someone in the thread said so and I generally believe those stories without checking^^ [21.01.2013 20:21:35] Sandro Maculan: yeah it's pretty safe someone else will check it =P [21.01.2013 20:22:33] Erik: btw, did you agree on the yellow painting on djodref? [21.01.2013 20:22:52] Erik: His posts felt really odd when he was "defending" me imo [21.01.2013 20:23:07] Erik: not sure if you looked into him yet [21.01.2013 20:23:11] Sandro Maculan: yes [21.01.2013 20:23:31] Sandro Maculan: he is asking too many questions all the time with no follow up [21.01.2013 20:25:00] Sandro Maculan: i dont know why you bother with the ymt stuff [21.01.2013 20:25:10] Sandro Maculan: do you think he is mafia [21.01.2013 20:25:30] Sandro Maculan: he just seems very omgus oriented [21.01.2013 20:26:19] Erik: I don't want chez to be sheriff at all [21.01.2013 20:26:24] Erik: and right now it's chez... [21.01.2013 20:27:13] Erik: and no, yamato is probably town. I just want his vote somewhere else [21.01.2013 20:27:19] Sandro Maculan: no chezinu [21.01.2013 20:27:29] Sandro Maculan: he did vote ft i think [21.01.2013 20:27:34] Sandro Maculan: after i told him to move it [21.01.2013 20:27:41] Erik: did he?' [21.01.2013 20:27:50] Sandro Maculan: yes [21.01.2013 20:28:19] Erik: not according to the voting thread [21.01.2013 20:28:33] Sandro Maculan: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394305¤tpage=2#34 [21.01.2013 20:28:49] Erik: oh you mean yamato [21.01.2013 20:28:55] Erik: yeah but chez still has 3 votes [21.01.2013 20:29:03] Erik: which makes him sheriff right now [21.01.2013 20:29:24] Sandro Maculan: i dont think the 3 people voting for him can be reasoned with [21.01.2013 20:29:35] Sandro Maculan: so we just have to make 2 people have more than 3 [21.01.2013 20:29:45] Erik: hence my discussion with yamato [21.01.2013 20:30:03] Sandro Maculan: well ymt is voting ft [21.01.2013 20:30:14] Erik: yeah that's fine [21.01.2013 20:30:16] Sandro Maculan: and there is plenty of people to vote still [21.01.2013 20:43:32] Sandro Maculan: man [21.01.2013 20:43:50] Sandro Maculan: the more i think about fuba the more certain i am he is mafia [21.01.2013 21:13:02] Erik: i actually considered ft to be syllo as well^^ [21.01.2013 21:13:30] Sandro Maculan: well i know it's not syllo =P I think it's safe to post this. | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote: Thank you Toad. That does make me feel better about sandroba actually. duh... told you | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:02 debears wrote: As I said, Djo is likely scum :D I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative... | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote: I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case. Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia! | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:16 Djodref wrote: I think Annul still looks bad. Let's have a look at his filter. What did he do yesterday ? He tunneled Vivax and he interacted with Axle. Not to mention that Vivax couldn't reasonably be lynched yesterday, being vocal and all, at least in my eyes. There is absolutely no mention of prplhz, and no mention of Oats as well. His tunnel on Vivax could have prevented him to voice his opinion on other subjects. That is a common scum strategy. yeah totally agree and I would like him dead very much. I can't shake of the feeling of it beeing risky after successfully lynching anther vet d1 though. | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:23 austinmcc wrote: The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative. The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, [...] well when voteanalyzing you don't look at the people and their reasoning but just plain old facts, who voted who. Voting you or voting chez at a time when it was known that prplhz was FT's prime lynch candidate is or at least might be a mafia treat. Analyzing what that means and wether that's useful information comes afterwards :p | ||
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On January 22 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote: Yamato, Something you are well aware of.. You pressure your read until either: (1) Convince you they are innocent or (2) Convince you they are scum or (3) 3 to 5 vets (a number so high that assuming all of them are mafia is bullshit) tell you the dude in question is town or (4) it's a spam-/shitfest and both factions are screaming like little children. In that case don't stop, but make a pause for 1 or 2 days instead and cool down. There's more fish in the ocean. Grush has not convinced my he is innocent, and has given me no reason to even consider him as innocent. Maybe for everyone else there are better reads, but for me he is my best until (1) or (2) is satisfied. Fixed. Not directed at you at all though :p | ||
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Furthermore you have to distinguish between people you want to be shot and people you want to be lynched when looking at people you want to see dead. That is if you have the luxury of doing that. Lynching Grush would be an awfully terrible idea right now. Because of what bugs said. If that guy ends up flipping town we gave mafia the easiest time looking like they're doing something for an entire cycle because all there is to him is that he's lurkish, useless and ... well grush. Everyone can easily attack him for that and look like he's doing something. Analyzing what happened afterwards would be really hard as well because there's no reason not to want Grush dead, so I couldn't possibly held people accountable on their actions when choosing to vote Grush or not to vote him. That's the kind of guy you want to have vigged if you want him dead and not lynched. Not saying he looks townish at all, he doesn't. He's unreadable right now, which is a bad sign considering that I've got at least 50% of this game down as preeeetty certain town right now. So process of elimination works fine with him sometime later as well, which tells me to ignore him again. You want to lynch people who are looking scummy while not being easy to take a stance on. That's literally everyone who's not a policy lynch because even if it fails, you get something out of that. | ||
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They are more consistent (most of the times, yes I'm looking at you bugs). That's not that much of a big deal when talking about mafiareads because they can still be wrong a lot of times. So when a vet isn't explaining a mafiaread you shouldn't just sheep. He's probably doing that to gauge reactions. On townreads it's something different though, those are so easy to do that you usually don't feel like explaining and you know that the majority of vets agrees with you anyways, so there's no need to. Which means if there's 4 vets telling you someone is town, even without reasoning you should listen to that. I already mentioned I don't like talking about townreads. That's not because talking about townreads is essentially that bad but rather because it's a null without reasoning. If I provide reasoning I however end up giving mafia the key to "How to make Toad think you're a Townie", which really isn't that good of an idea in my opinion, so those townreads naturally will come without reasoning a lot. | ||
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A doublelynch on either d2 or d3 is pretty much sure but I don't think we have to risk it right now. Grush might be a nice secondary lynch when we're out of targets for a doublelynch after all. I'd still say there's better people to look at right now. | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:25 yamato77 wrote: Who are those people, Toad? Aside from my bias against Vivax, which I am trying to reconcile, my red reads are as follows: Annul Djo Clarity Oats For reasons I and other have mentioned about their play. Do you agree or disagree with these targets for tomorrow? Oats Annul JX djo in that order imo. Maybe add Chez but he's the same as grush just a bit more likely to flip mafia due to his campaign. | ||
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I thought it's the "Mayor decides to doublelynch via pm at night" doublelynch... Well yeah, if we're getting a doublelynch the next day we're going to get one d3 pretty much no matter what. | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:49 DearestSnot wrote: Mocsta you should read more carefully. Oats was against electing FT because FT wanted to kill him. Upon rereading and looking back at things I actually think Oats is town. Anyone agree? As soon as FT is back perhaps he can explain further why he thinks Oats actually looks worse, because I disagree on that. what do you make of Annul/chez bugs? Both Sandro and I agree that there was probably a secondary guy running for mayor, like Oats just posted. Oats comes to the conclusion that it's gonzaw, which is weird, not because of his conclusion but rather because of the choice of target, don't you think? | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:54 yamato77 wrote: I can believe town Oats might think Gonzaw is scum from the stuff he quoted. yeah the reason it's weird that he chose Gonzaw is that Annul / Chez would have been way easier targets to attack imo. | ||
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On January 22 2013 15:56 DearestSnot wrote: yeah I think annul is scum. Chezinu I have as town but it's not as strong as some of my other reads. If anyone wants my opinions on shit, I'm going to be basically just handing them out like candy over the next 12 or whatever hours, as long as I'm awake. I have school in the morning but I imagine that I am dead, so just hit me with questions if you want answers. I'll be doing a read dump and probably just throw in my spreadsheet for good measure toward the end of the night but that's about it. I'm looking over filters atm, trying to figure out who the other 4 scum might be. I almost feel kinda bad for pressuring prpl so hard and so fast, given that his filter is completely devoid of any kind of hints toward who his teammates might be what's your take on gonzaw? Sandro and I disagree about him a bit. | ||
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On January 22 2013 16:01 DearestSnot wrote: oh whoops I didn't address the gonzaw part. Well I thought about it myself and thought that gonzaw taking votes was weird, but I don't think his alignment really factors into that. He opposed lynching prpl, but otherwise he looks townie. So, if scum voted him it was to avoid getting prpl lynched or to get someone who they thought would be "better" in the role of sheriff or mayor for them. I don't find it suspicious that Oats would pick gonzaw as a target for that reason. Also it's pretty townie of Oats to call out debears like he just did. yeah pretty much what I thought as well. Oh and I didn't mean it's suspicious of oats to pick gonzaw, in contrary I thought it's making him look better again. That kind of weird. Because as mentioned I would have figured he'd just go after Annul or Chez, who both would be way easier to attack (as in: I agree on gonzaw being townish) unless both are his mafiabuddies. The latter part being a retarded assumption to say the least. So I'm stuck with the question who the secondary (or primary?) guy for mafia was. Prplhz didn't post an awful lot. I'd expect a talkactive guy to be that one. That could be gonzaw according to Sandro although we both seem to agree on his townishness. That leaves me with Annul and Chez unless we have a contender for best play 2013 in this game. However both aren't really fitting the "posted a bunch" bill. But then there's Annul's lazer-something excuse from d1 that came to my mind. I doubt that's a lie and if it's true it could explain a bunch and why the primary / secondary guy didn't post an awful lot. Maybe Austin or you but that'd be reeeeally far fetched. | ||
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On January 22 2013 16:20 DearestSnot wrote: Toad do you feel like there was resistance to the prpl lynch? from people I'd consider town maybe. Although I wouldn't call that resistance. Mostly people saying "yeah I agree prplhz is a good lynch but I don't think he's the best. I'd rather lynch X instead". Like I did as well. I don't recall any real resistance besides Annul I guess? But that might have just been "Toad's a dick, fuck that guy" when he was posting it, because he didn't like me getting votes at all. Have to check it again. | ||
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On January 22 2013 16:35 DearestSnot wrote: I want to see what sandro will have to say when he sees prpl has flipped scum. The PM exchange between you two made him look considerably more townie, but honestly his public reads are not very good IMO. What do you make of debears basically trolling? hahahaha trust me, you'll be laughing about this in a couple of minutes. Come back to the thread when you have a clear mind :D oh he has been back and we have been talking a bunch. He just hasn't posted in here. He's afk as of now though. debears looks bad... and when I say bad it usually means "weird" or "out of character" and not "bad" but in this case it's actually bad and not weird. | ||
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On January 22 2013 16:41 DearestSnot wrote: yo Toad that last post was directed at you, btw. How would you call the scumteam right now if you had to? All 4, maybe give some possibilities out of a max 6 let's say. Explain if you can, I'm curious to see if it matches up with my reads. I'll be back in a couple hours, I'm gonna go watch a movie. slot #1: Annul or Chez. Leaning on Annul, if he's not Chez is mafia imo. If stuff goes south and they SOMEHOW manage to flip town it has to be somenoe like gonzaw/you/austin but I really doubt that. So answer for that one would be Annul / Chez slot #2: 1 out of oats / djo / JX slot #3: 1 out of remaining out of (oats / djo / JX) + / Grush / debears / stutters slot #4: 1 out of clarity / BKE ? I don't have a lot of reads about people posting very few. So slots 3 and 4 are based and character treats I'd tell my buddies (assuming I'd be mafia) to play to make sure team mafia has diversity. Nothing else. | ||
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Annul as #1, oats or JX as #2, debears as #3, BKE as #4. clarity seems very unlikely to be mafia but it's possible I guess. | ||
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JX might actually be more likely mafia for the #2 slot than oats, but that'd make oats go to #3 together with debears. I know JX somewhat from the TL-language exchanging thread. He has my skype and we're skyping in german every once in a while. I'd say every 2nd or every 3rd day for an hour, maybe a bit longer? So I'd say I know him somewhat outside of the game. That being said I think he'd be the kind of guy who'd have troubles to post as mafia while talking freely about what's on his mind as town. I obviously can't back that one up at all and it's a personal opinion that could be wrong but I think so :p | ||
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On January 22 2013 17:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad, just to make it easier to read, do you mean Character Treats where treats mean An event or item that is out of the ordinary and gives great pleasure. or Character Traits where traits mean A distinguishing quality or characteristic, typically one belonging to a person. second one. slot #4 is "the lurker" :p BKE being the prime candidate because clarity got almost (?) modkilled for not voting and call me old fashioned but outside of newbie games mafias don't get modkilled for not voting. WBG remember the game where you were mafia with RedFF? I think rad or BC or both were mafia together with you, the one were VE was SK and was really good? BKE is redFF. | ||
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On January 22 2013 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey guys, are you just ignoring my Gonzaw case? Because? It's actually somewhat likely that gonzaw is going to be shot if he's town. So really no need to talk about that right now if the next day might just reveal his alignment. | ||
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I want some time to talk with Palmar about the bodyguards though and if it takes really long to announce those and it's like I only got 5 minutes to talk with him about it before the deadline I'll be really angry. | ||
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On January 22 2013 17:54 DearestSnot wrote: hey I'm not gonna be back till later tomorrow, gonna sleep soon. Quick few things: Toad, I assume you're jailing tonight. Consider jailing sandro. Medics, consider protecting me. That is all I have to say for now. I'm actually considering to do bullshit in 99% of the cases with my n1 jail for the 1% chance of MAJOR BIG PLAYS. Sounds compelling to me. | ||
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Really need Palmar to get in here. | ||
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Furthermore 2 are linked (Annul / Chez) so it's actually only 6 imo. Why am I the only one here | ||
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On January 23 2013 02:40 FiveTouch wrote: Yes, we absolutely cannot presume we're safe tonight. Planning under that assumption is risky. I don't particularly see many downsides to the thread knowing the bodyguards. If the bodyguards are indeed town and mafia want to shoot them to get through to us, they will have made a fine sacrifice in the line of duty, and I will commemorate them with statues of gold. Well mafia has a maximum of 3 KP. If they want to all-in they can if they have a Jack because that'd mean they could shoot you, me and Sandro. That also means a single protection on any of us means we get 2 confirmed mafias because the survivor can just tell the name of the 2 fake bodyguards to the thread. I don't really see the benefit of telling the thread ahead of time though. I already said the protection I was considering as well (protecting you instead of Sandro / WBG / gonzaw) would be wasted in 99% of the times an only will be useful if they really opt to all-in. But that'd be fine with me for the offchance of major big plays and getting to know 2 mafias. We could be prefectly fine if I tell the bodyguards to Sandro and just have you protected for 100% safety tonight. Though I don't actually know if I can protect tonight... | ||
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On January 23 2013 02:58 DearestSnot wrote: Toad: DO NOT go for a fucking "big play". It's too big of a risk for them to out two bodyguards to kill your or FT and quite honestly I'd rather just let you die to out two scum. Aim your jail at someone who is actually likely to get hit. well if all of Sandroba / Palmar / myself die there's no way we can tell you the bodyguards unless Palmar tells you in the thread but I don't like that idea at all... And yeah I agree it's very unlikely to happen, have been talking a bit with Sandro as well. They however have to at least deal with Palmar as soon as possible and if they're doing that they might as well finish me at the same time.. | ||
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On January 23 2013 03:20 FiveTouch wrote: JieXian is no longer on your list? mkfuba? Both Sandro and I agree that it makes no sense to lynch into mkfuba / JX right now with both of them voting you d1. I had JX down as "probably mafia" in my sheet but Annul is as well and I don't see a reason to lynch into any of mkfuba/JX before lynching Annul, maybe BKE. | ||
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I'm not a mean person, or at least it's not intended to be mean but rather my approach on a current situation / happening ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ | ||
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On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote: I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me. In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town. I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. this exactly. On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro. I'm not going to tell you my target. | ||
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On January 23 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote: But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest. Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum"). That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all. Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme". Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all. well yeah, maybe. Thing is we need one guy lynched tomorrow. I see no reason to lynch into those guys that have those kind of things that might or might not be worth something as a towntell. Doesn't have to be towntell, but why not just lynch the guy that doesn't have those aspects in the first place. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:01 gonzaw wrote: Well, I prefer lynching scum over "some guys" But yeah, we obviously still have time, and night actions tonight can change a few things. But I don't want people assuming Oats is town for some weak reasons. Like if I die or even if scum go all in and Five gets killed, and Oats is scum, then you+wbg would basically just let him live all game long lynching into lurkers. Oh, I almost forgot about the double-lynch I guess it makes sense to have a double-lynch on D3. I have a feeling we'll waste some of it on "lurkers", but we could count it as a "town-powered vig shot", in addition to the regular lynch that day oh no, I have 7 people down as "not town" in my sheet. Yellow being "might be mafia" and orange being "probably mafia" (and red being "KILL IT WITH FIRE" but that's only for confirmed mafias). Oats is still very much yellow, he's just not orange anymore like Annul and BKE are for me. I would definitly say we just lynch/shoot those 7 people, starting with the two orange ones. | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:11 gonzaw wrote: Is BKE orange just for being AFK all game (but avoiding modkill/replacement, unlike Clarity)? Did he even post this N1? yeah he is. Clarity is actually green for me | ||
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On January 23 2013 04:52 FiveTouch wrote: Simply enough, my read differs to you. From the mafia filter you linked: A contradiction, albeit the other way round. A mafia Oatsmaster has problems keeping his story consistent. In any case, you're right that I don't need to push it right now. Suffice to say I disagree with bugs' reasons to call him town. Bugs isn't caling him town I think (neither am I), we're calling him less of a good lynch than when considered him 24 hours ago. Like I said, he's still one of the 7 people labeled as not-town for me, just not the primary guy. At least that's what I'm reading out of bugs posts. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:46 annul wrote: i am saying if i were a mafia mason i would love to be sheriff. that is what i said... you can tell because, gasp, that is what is written there. are you telling me you wouldn't want the sheriff role as a townmason? Because unless you do nowhere cares about that statement. Of course both mafia and town want that position... | ||
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On January 23 2013 07:17 sandroba wrote: I thought these 2 posts were pretty townie. I would think annul wouldn't mind being ignored as scum. disagree on that one btw. The first one could just as well be a "see guys? I'M DOING SOMETHING!" I can easily see reasoning for posts like that as both mafia and town. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:26 DearestSnot wrote: I was RBed. TOAD ARE YOU SRS DID YOU TARGET ME OVER SANDRO?! jesus you better have been on sandro and RBed or I will be really mad I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in | ||
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On a sidenote, want the rest of the logs from Sandro and me? | ||
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On January 23 2013 13:23 AxleGreaser wrote: Sandro pisses me off. Dead men tell no tales. If only the live ones had said more i would know what to make of your claim. what do you mean? If I had lied about that mason thingy or the logs he would have told you I guess... | ||
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On January 23 2013 13:36 AxleGreaser wrote: Well yes he would have told eveyone if they were fabricated. My questions were little more specific. they asked about what he had gleened from you in that real time discussion. How hard he had pressed and whtehr he was as lazy in quizing you in masion thread as he was in the game. All those things would cast doubt or perhaps heap praise on just how townie you are. Now, you tell us but its not in the logs up to the time they were published and confirmed that I told Sandroba I should protect him, he kept on saying "nah, protect WBG. Mafia won't shoot me, they know you're masoned with me, protect WBG instead!" and I eventually gave in : How or when exactly would he have denied this part of the conversation took place? Have you conveniently not noticed that this part is uncorroborated? I have other problems with the basic logic of it too. You argument claims neither you nor sandroba thought ooops dont do that. Sandroba is meant to be good yeah? We both thought mafia wouldn't shoot him because I was masoned with him and telling people so actively that he's town and figured mafia would assume I'm protecting him. So much for reasoning. About the "now we can't prove it"-part. What do you think I should have done differently? Told everyone my plans on who I'm protecting before the night ends just so that Sandroba can confirm it? Because no way in hell would I have done that. | ||
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On January 23 2013 14:02 AxleGreaser wrote: No that would be really Stupid. I expected you to pay attention and think a little bit ahead about what scum might be doing. Bugs called the SHOT Why did Bugs call it like that... surely thats as dumb as what you claim you wouldn't do? It flabbergasted me at first until I thought about it. Now Bugs may have had different idea but this was my best interpretation of it. No Bugs is claiming Bugs and Sand are the two of the best plausible NKs. the townies he hopes know that too. Now if the docs and the jailer all do their own thing they may well double up and expose people and waste powers. Hmm what to do? I know direct them to split. Minimum Chnace of Doc and Sheriff wasting their powers. Until i saw that I thought it was scummy of bugs to do that. In truth i dint know if the call (for who were likely scum targets) was truth. It could be like Vivax seemed to and be overrating your chances. I dont know peoples reputations except in a general way. However it was to me plausible enough that town or scum might believe it... and at worst preserve the two of the best uguarded townies.... Well considering how the mayor votes panned out the target potential of Bugs and Sandroba not be as obvious as it looks. (although in reality and real people liked Sandroba as good player just not the way he played this game) Whatever maybe that scum target rating is true enough. It was only little scummy for Bugs to do that. The most suboptimal thing for townies to do now however is concentrate their protection on either. If Some doc says Nahhhh that Bugs is a crap protect I will go with protecting mayoral candidate X The one obvious thing the Doc should not do is risk wasting the doc by protecting the one person called out for the sheriff to protect.... Somewhat obviously the reverse is true too. The shrriff certainly should not waste the protec by doubling up the protection on the one the doc was called to protect. So Just by chance you just chose the least optimal thing to do AND scum guessed it and Sandroba didnt argue and .... really. So what could you have done well if you and Sandroba were actually talking and thinking Sandroba could have reversed the plan. That gives scum no more info. You're looking at it from the wrong direction... I'm the jailer. I CLEARLY said people need to protect Sand / Gonzaw because I REFUSED to tell people who I'm going to protect and anything bugs says about my protection is a null, if anything it makes me more likely to not do it. So no I don't think I screwed up, if anything bugs should have shut up about it in the first place and let me handle it because... duh I'm the jailer. You're saying it was the least optimal thing to do, which is entirely wrong to say the least. Both Sandro and I agreed tha a protection on Sandro would be wasted after discussing it a bit and thought the most likely scenario for mafia hits would be Goznaw + Bugs (again, I told people to protect Gonzaw as well for that very reason). All you're seeing is a dead Sandro. I basicly told people in the thread I'm not going to protect him and called medics on people. I'm not doing that for shitz and giggles. But whatever I'm going to ignore you from now on because clearly you're the most paranoid and backwards person I've ever seen. Makes no sense talking to you... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [click me] + [22.01.2013 02:16:36] Erik: I'm going to jail you unless you tell me otherwise [22.01.2013 05:21:05] Sandro Maculan: hey [22.01.2013 05:21:19] Erik: hey [22.01.2013 05:21:21] Sandro Maculan: catching up [22.01.2013 05:21:28] Erik: was asked to post logs [22.01.2013 05:21:35] Erik: and we lynched mafia [22.01.2013 05:21:40] Sandro Maculan: it's k [22.01.2013 05:21:41] Sandro Maculan: nice [22.01.2013 05:21:42] Sandro Maculan: who [22.01.2013 05:21:48] Erik: didn't see a problem with posting them so i did [22.01.2013 05:21:50] Erik: prplhz [22.01.2013 05:21:55] Sandro Maculan: nice [22.01.2013 05:22:03] Erik: that's why they asked because you were defending him somewhat [22.01.2013 05:22:21] Sandro Maculan: i kinda was [22.01.2013 05:22:35] Erik: oh and I am sheriff [22.01.2013 05:22:37] Sandro Maculan: you should jail bugs instead then [22.01.2013 05:22:42] Sandro Maculan: yeah i figured [22.01.2013 05:22:53] Erik: it depends on who ends up being bodyguards i guess [22.01.2013 05:23:38] Erik: I'm actually considering going full bullshit and protect five once for absolute security. I could see mafia go all-in with prlphz flipping mafia and get 2 mafia bodyguards and shoot both elected people [22.01.2013 05:24:28] Sandro Maculan: what [22.01.2013 05:24:49] Sandro Maculan: you can get 5 prots in 1 night? [22.01.2013 05:24:57] Erik: mafia could subsitute both bodyguards [22.01.2013 05:25:15] Erik: which means neither five nor I am protected [22.01.2013 05:25:29] Erik: if they do that they can shoot us, I protect him, he survives and knows 2 mafias [22.01.2013 05:25:37] Sandro Maculan: you can do it 3 times [22.01.2013 05:25:53] Erik: yeah [22.01.2013 05:25:55] Sandro Maculan: just tell me who are the bgs then [22.01.2013 05:25:57] Sandro Maculan: and prot me [22.01.2013 05:26:08] Erik: that might be an idea as well^^ [22.01.2013 05:26:13] Sandro Maculan: i dont think they would do that however [22.01.2013 05:26:19] Erik: yeah I don't either [22.01.2013 05:26:25] Sandro Maculan: i have a simpler way actually [22.01.2013 05:26:30] Erik: but it would be one wasted protect for 100% security [22.01.2013 05:26:43] Sandro Maculan: jail palmar if you think that's a fair chance [22.01.2013 05:26:52] Sandro Maculan: but really i dont think so [22.01.2013 05:27:15] Erik: I don't know their names yet [22.01.2013 05:27:26] Erik: if someone townish shows up that'd be awesome [22.01.2013 05:27:51] Sandro Maculan: if you jail palmar mafia can never do that [22.01.2013 05:28:00] Sandro Maculan: cuz palmar will know the bgs [22.01.2013 05:28:12] Sandro Maculan: and he just lynched prpl so he is ultra likely town [22.01.2013 05:28:18] Erik: yeah [22.01.2013 05:28:33] Erik: that was the whole point about jailing him [22.01.2013 05:28:41] Sandro Maculan: i dont think it's worth it to jail 3 though [22.01.2013 05:28:47] Sandro Maculan: even if mafia does that [22.01.2013 05:28:49] Erik: jail 3? [22.01.2013 05:28:59] Sandro Maculan: if you jail palmar we are ahead by a lot [22.01.2013 05:29:17] Sandro Maculan: oh [22.01.2013 05:29:24] Sandro Maculan: now i realize what you are saying [22.01.2013 05:29:33] Sandro Maculan: i thought you said jail 5 people [22.01.2013 05:29:44] Erik: five like the name [22.01.2013 05:29:49] Erik: palmar [22.01.2013 05:29:52] Sandro Maculan: yeah i understand now [22.01.2013 05:30:12] Sandro Maculan: meh [22.01.2013 05:30:17] Sandro Maculan: i dont think mafia goes all in [22.01.2013 05:30:20] Sandro Maculan: you just claimed mason [22.01.2013 05:30:27] Sandro Maculan: they would have to shoot me you palmar [22.01.2013 05:30:37] Sandro Maculan: and they have 2 shots? [22.01.2013 05:30:40] Erik: idk [22.01.2013 05:30:48] Sandro Maculan: kp is 2 [22.01.2013 05:31:03] Erik: isn't it usually rounded up? [22.01.2013 05:31:13] Sandro Maculan: unless they have a jack and go all in that prot is terrible [22.01.2013 05:31:20] Sandro Maculan: it says 5/2 max 2 [22.01.2013 05:31:27] Sandro Maculan: now we have 4 [22.01.2013 05:31:31] Erik: k that makes sense [22.01.2013 05:31:36] Erik: oh yeah that as well [22.01.2013 05:31:50] Erik: yeah that's the reason I called it a bullshit prot [22.01.2013 05:31:55] Erik: in 99% it's a terrible prot [22.01.2013 05:32:03] Erik: in 1% it's a game win^^ [22.01.2013 05:33:07] Erik: gawd [22.01.2013 05:33:13] Erik: yamato still thinks vivax is mafia [22.01.2013 05:33:34] Erik: vivax made me sheriff instead of people like chez... how could he be mafia [22.01.2013 05:34:50] Erik: annul probably still looks really bad if you look at his posts, but he looks somewhat less bad now that prplhz flipped red balancewise [22.01.2013 05:35:03] Erik: djo also looks a bit better because he was voting me I guess [22.01.2013 05:37:22] Sandro Maculan: people that were voting palmar now look better [22.01.2013 05:37:35] Erik: yeah [22.01.2013 05:37:36] Sandro Maculan: that means i was prob wrong on jx [22.01.2013 05:37:41] Sandro Maculan: and fuba [22.01.2013 05:37:41] Erik: ? [22.01.2013 05:37:41] Sandro Maculan: god [22.01.2013 05:38:09] Sandro Maculan: they voted palmar when palmar was set on lynching prpl [22.01.2013 05:38:25] Erik: austin mentioned that there probably were mafia in the not-palmar-places [22.01.2013 05:38:28] Sandro Maculan: people that voted you actually don't matter much [22.01.2013 05:38:45] Erik: yeah but those who voted austin or chez might be troublesome [22.01.2013 05:48:57] Sandro Maculan: i think you just jail bugs [22.01.2013 05:49:14] Sandro Maculan: pretty likely he is one of the 2 shots [22.01.2013 05:49:18] Sandro Maculan: and tell me the masons [22.01.2013 05:49:33] Erik: you're pretty likely to be shot as well [22.01.2013 05:49:44] Sandro Maculan: if i'm shot you and palmar are not shot [22.01.2013 05:50:08] Sandro Maculan: then you still know masons are prob not both mafia [22.01.2013 05:50:10] Erik: palmar and I should be safe either way [22.01.2013 05:50:40] Sandro Maculan: i dont even think mafia will risk it [22.01.2013 05:50:51] Sandro Maculan: so either way if you dont tell me i think you are fine [22.01.2013 05:51:04] Sandro Maculan: mafia may shoot me but that is not so bad [22.01.2013 05:51:25] Sandro Maculan: cuz i'm not 100% town in peoples eyes so that leaves less room for doubt [22.01.2013 05:51:34] Erik: I don't know what to make of possible medics right now [22.01.2013 05:51:50] Erik: palmar agreed on you beeing town after I posted the logs [22.01.2013 05:53:10] Sandro Maculan: well [22.01.2013 05:53:27] Sandro Maculan: there is also the thing that mafia knows i'm masoned with you [22.01.2013 05:53:34] Sandro Maculan: and that you think i'm town [22.01.2013 05:53:51] Sandro Maculan: so they will prob imagine i'm jailed [22.01.2013 05:54:03] Erik: yeah thought so as well [22.01.2013 05:54:46] Erik: I guess we could make a post telling medics to protect WBG / you [22.01.2013 05:54:56] Sandro Maculan: who else may mafia shoot if not wbg [22.01.2013 05:54:58] Erik: just so that whoever ends up not being jailes gets a medic [22.01.2013 05:55:11] Sandro Maculan: even if they shoot me they will prob shoot bugs aswell [22.01.2013 05:55:40] Erik: maybe gonzaw [22.01.2013 05:55:55] Sandro Maculan: hmm maybe [22.01.2013 05:56:06] Sandro Maculan: gonzaw did defend prpl a bit i think [22.01.2013 05:56:15] Erik: I'd probably shoot him as mafia with the 2ndary shot [22.01.2013 05:56:16] Sandro Maculan: i'm not that convinced he is auto-town [22.01.2013 05:56:33] Erik: and hit wbg with the first hoping I protect you with my jail [22.01.2013 05:57:01] Sandro Maculan: yeah if gonzaw is town those would be the shots i would make as mafia [22.01.2013 05:57:03] Erik: he looks very townish. My sheet actually says "not sure about Gonzaw... looks too good to be true lol" though [22.01.2013 05:57:04] Erik: ^^ [22.01.2013 05:57:21] Sandro Maculan: who is running for mafia [22.01.2013 05:57:28] Sandro Maculan: if gonzaw is town [22.01.2013 05:57:37] Sandro Maculan: austin i think is town [22.01.2013 05:57:41] Sandro Maculan: chez? [22.01.2013 05:57:42] Erik: i'd say prplhz + annul/chez [22.01.2013 05:57:49] Sandro Maculan: annul didnt run [22.01.2013 05:57:54] Erik: he did [22.01.2013 05:57:55] Sandro Maculan: prpl didnt run [22.01.2013 05:58:01] Sandro Maculan: that's not running [22.01.2013 05:58:01] Erik: he just didn't get votes [22.01.2013 05:58:13] Sandro Maculan: the dude who is running prob posted a lot [22.01.2013 05:58:33] Sandro Maculan: they may be mafia, but they were not the mafia main candidate [22.01.2013 05:58:36] Erik: maaaaaybe wbg but I doubt that [22.01.2013 05:58:48] Erik: maybe austin but I doubt that as well [22.01.2013 05:59:01] Sandro Maculan: nah i dont think wbg busses that soon for no reason [22.01.2013 05:59:09] Erik: yeah [22.01.2013 05:59:13] Erik: exactly what I think [22.01.2013 10:18:29] Erik: updated votesheet: http://i.imgur.com/PnFHpMQ.png [22.01.2013 10:18:48] Erik: axle might be wrong [22.01.2013 10:38:02] Erik: and chez should be yellow I guess [22.01.2013 11:00:31] Erik: http://i.imgur.com/BlygxnI.png [22.01.2013 11:00:35] Erik: that's more like it I guess [22.01.2013 19:10:28] Sandro Maculan: hey [22.01.2013 19:10:49] Erik: oh you're back [22.01.2013 19:16:42] Sandro Maculan: yes [22.01.2013 19:16:55] Sandro Maculan: see if you agree with my last post [22.01.2013 19:17:05] Erik: i guess bugs is correct about the jail [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia [22.01.2013 19:18:41] Sandro Maculan: stutters filter looks so bad too [22.01.2013 19:18:41] Erik: unless of course chez / Annul are both his mates but that's retarded to assume [22.01.2013 19:19:07] Erik: he was one of the guys voting me though [22.01.2013 19:19:18] Erik: that might be a towntell [22.01.2013 19:19:20] Sandro Maculan: man [22.01.2013 19:19:28] Sandro Maculan: voting for you doesnt mean anything [22.01.2013 19:19:39] Sandro Maculan: especially if you believe gonzaw is town [22.01.2013 19:20:03] Sandro Maculan: if mafia was indeed inactive/non influential [22.01.2013 19:20:18] Sandro Maculan: they had to vote for a townie for sheriff anyways and it doesnt matter who it is [22.01.2013 19:20:36] Sandro Maculan: they might aswell go for the one that claimed mason and people think is town [22.01.2013 19:20:47] Erik: guess [22.01.2013 19:20:50] Erik: that's right [22.01.2013 19:26:06] Sandro Maculan: jail bugs for sure [22.01.2013 19:26:18] Erik: yeah guess so [22.01.2013 19:26:18] Sandro Maculan: mafia wont shoot me cuz they think you will jail me [22.01.2013 19:26:25] Sandro Maculan: do you know the bgs? [22.01.2013 19:26:35] Erik: n [22.01.2013 19:26:36] Erik: no [22.01.2013 19:26:48] Sandro Maculan: ? [22.01.2013 19:27:00] Sandro Maculan: bc afk? [22.01.2013 19:27:05] Erik: idk, I asked him [22.01.2013 19:27:21] Erik: i don't even know if I can jail tonight yet [22.01.2013 19:27:38] Sandro Maculan: the way it's worded [22.01.2013 19:27:45] Sandro Maculan: you can jail multiple people each night [22.01.2013 19:27:50] Sandro Maculan: for a total of 3 [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections [22.01.2013 19:28:47] Sandro Maculan: okay dont ask this in the thread [22.01.2013 19:28:56] Sandro Maculan: pm bc about it [22.01.2013 19:29:00] Erik: i did [22.01.2013 19:29:18] Sandro Maculan: no answer yet? [22.01.2013 19:29:24] Erik: yeah [22.01.2013 19:29:26] Erik: ... [22.01.2013 19:29:53] Sandro Maculan: do you have his skype [22.01.2013 19:29:59] Erik: no idea if I'm allowed to tell you that but it was around 16:00 tl time.. [22.01.2013 19:30:04] Erik: no I don't [22.01.2013 19:30:21] Sandro Maculan: Kontakt empfangen von Sandro Maculan [22.01.2013 19:30:52] Erik: is he online? [22.01.2013 19:31:56] Sandro Maculan: yes but set to busy [22.01.2013 19:32:07] Sandro Maculan: sometimes he answers on busy anyway though [22.01.2013 19:32:57] Erik: I could ask palmar if he has the names of the bodyguards yet [22.01.2013 19:40:21] Erik: "I'd like to add that I'm not alone in thinking you're / may be an idiot. Toad thinks so too and I'm sure the vets do." [22.01.2013 19:40:23] Erik: waaaaat [22.01.2013 19:40:27] Erik: I'm not a vet? ;( [22.01.2013 19:40:38] Sandro Maculan: =P [22.01.2013 19:40:48] Erik: sure I'm not Palmar / Sandroba but that's hard to take [22.01.2013 19:40:50] Sandro Maculan: i'm sure he meant the other vets =) [22.01.2013 20:03:02] Sandro Maculan: hmm town has dls [22.01.2013 20:03:20] Sandro Maculan: which means it's quite possible for scum to have jack [22.01.2013 20:03:28] Sandro Maculan: even with the high initial numbers [22.01.2013 20:03:32] Sandro Maculan: depending on town roles [22.01.2013 20:05:43] Erik: dls? [22.01.2013 20:05:53] Erik: oh doublelynches [22.01.2013 20:06:32] Sandro Maculan: yeah [22.01.2013 20:06:38] Sandro Maculan: that grush mason stuff [22.01.2013 20:06:46] Sandro Maculan: would he be so retarded to do that as mafia? [22.01.2013 20:07:14] Erik: idk [22.01.2013 20:07:25] Erik: might have lost motivation once he saw palmer stomping [22.01.2013 20:07:43] Erik: I wouldn't make to much out of it [22.01.2013 20:07:57] Sandro Maculan: hmm [22.01.2013 20:08:06] Sandro Maculan: mafia would choose grush as mason? [22.01.2013 20:08:11] Sandro Maculan: i dont think so [22.01.2013 20:08:26] Sandro Maculan: and if he wanted it i think he would have tried to use it [22.01.2013 20:08:35] Erik: with prplhz dead they might have had to choose grush [22.01.2013 20:08:53] Sandro Maculan: they did it before acording to yamato [22.01.2013 20:09:11] Sandro Maculan: grush masoned him into the day [22.01.2013 20:09:37] Sandro Maculan: and sent one pm after yamato asked him if he was ever going to pm him [22.01.2013 20:11:54] Sandro Maculan: okay maybe vivax is the mafia contender [22.01.2013 20:12:18] Sandro Maculan: he seemed to slow down after he was out of tthe run [22.01.2013 20:12:38] Sandro Maculan: and assuming jx is town him digging up my short bit on JX doesn't look so hot [22.01.2013 23:32:58] Sandro Maculan: I'm gonna go out to a girl's house [22.01.2013 23:33:29] Sandro Maculan: so leave me a msg with w/e you deem important here [22.01.2013 23:33:44] Sandro Maculan: I'ma leave skype on as always [22.01.2013 23:33:54] Sandro Maculan: oh and jail bugs =P [22.01.2013 23:39:40] Erik: I still don't know the bodyguards... 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On January 23 2013 14:38 AxleGreaser wrote: I agree you said things in you copy of the logs. I agree its in general bad plan to say what you are going to do. This is why i was concerned that Bugs was doing that. However Accoding to both You and you claim Sandro... If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game. Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too. if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro? Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum. But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly. But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect. you assume people listen to what bugs said when telling people what to do with protection. That's the flaw in your logic. Maybe someone was stupid enough to do that, maybe someone listened to what I said and protected randomly into one out of Sandro/Bugs/Sandro like I told people to do and we just got unlikely because they protected Sandro or Goznaw idk. Point is, I'm the jailer. People shouldn't be listening to bugs when trying to figure out where to put their protection, especially if they're trying to "dodge" my jail for maximum effectiveness. People should be paying attention to what I'm saying in that regard because I'm the one who's doing it... | ||
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On January 23 2013 14:52 AxleGreaser wrote: Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all? I expect you did not. In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance? Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing. I was telling people that I'm not going to tell people my target. I was telling people to randomly protect into Sand / WBG / Goznaw. I can't do more than that. Okay let's assume there IS a medic who protected WBG and thought I'd protect Sandro for a sec: Don't listen to other people about what I'm going to do. In most cases someone telling me to protect X makes it more likely I'm NOT going to protect that guy but that's usually not a good way to look at things for you to figure out... instead look at what I post and do what I say. If you can't do that try to ignore everything being said, consider a bunch of people that would be good protections (3-4?) and role a dice... I'm done with this. I can't change this anymore and can't do anything more than telling you guys to listen to me when it comes to my role instead of listening to other people... | ||
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Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. | ||
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It's obviously outdated as it's from n1, so keep that in mind. I've made at least 2 adjustements to it I think. | ||
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Probably would like lynching someone else first for today. | ||
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I'm btw not sharing the sheet, it's always just a picture of the most recent one but that goes without saying I guess. | ||
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You usually don't get to exlplain all your thoughts but instead focus on the most important things so that the thread doesn't turn into a shitfest, which means most of your reads mostly won't be mentioned in the thread at all. If you think you're going to die you should share your reads with town because while we still don't know wether you're correct we at least know you genuinely thought so after people flip town, which is more than we know about people still being alive. And people are wrong a lot after all. Like read the first mason log with Sandro. I said that I think WBG is mafia in there somewhere, which was horrible and there was no reason to think so. If you're wrong people will most likely disagree with you and you can reflect on that + their reasoning. Not to mention that you get to check wether their reasoning makes sense from a town PoV. | ||
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On January 23 2013 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait Toad, how does Gonzaw being scummy mean that we dont lynch Annul? Shouldnt we just lynch people for being scum rather than try to 'game' the setup? yeah probably. I usually have peopel seperated into "vets / not vets" categories and assume that hosts are checking for balance because most people actually do that. I really don't think Annul + gonzaw + prplhz makes that much sense although they're all scummy, which makes me believe I'm most likely wrong on one guy, which makes me think it's risky right now. | ||
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I'm getting really paranoid right now, especially with Sandro saying that Annul might be town yesterday. Because frankly speaking with bugs attitude he pretty much ruined any chance of Annul getting back in the game for the offchance that he's actually town because I'd be pissed as well. | ||
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On January 23 2013 17:39 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's mafia but the nighthits are retarded as it can get if he's mafia. that was directed at the annul question... | ||
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On January 23 2013 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I think the problem with Broodking is that he is obviously somewhat active, but no posting other than a few things. I think he may be trying to lurk under the radar. Clarity is different cause he hasnt posted past the first 24 hours IIRC and I think he should get replaced/modkilled. which is exactly the reason BKE is more of a target than clarity is and which is exactly the reason I totally disagree with bugs PoV on clarity. Clarity doesn't even care which makes it highly likely that he just has no time. BKE on the other hand cares enough to not get modkilled and do nothing but that. Unlike Annul he however isn't exactly scummy besides that and I can't really say trying to not get modkilled is a mafiatrait at all... I would be pissed at someone getting modkilled as a townie if he had the possibility to toss in a vote, even if it's a rnd- or selfvote because getting yourself modkilled isn't helpful either... What I'm trying to say is, it really does look like a mafia (BKE) but I could see him do that as a townie as well I guess which means I'm back at Annul / gonzaw.... Palmar where are you, we need you | ||
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On January 23 2013 19:45 Vivax wrote: That's not even the point. You corrected yourself hastily cause you believed that others would notice how certain you were about there only being one jack. If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of it then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention that you considered the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. @ Toad Give me an estimation of scumminess among these, put them in preferencial order please: annul, yamato, gonzaw, mkfuba one out of Annul + Gonzaw has to be mafia. Probably just one though. mkfuba and yamato are probably two townies. Yamato looking a bit more townish I guess. | ||
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You didn't actually but had an excuse for being afk so that might actually be a reason for you to not be a strong contender although you intended to. | ||
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I'm saying one of the guys running for mayor has to be mafia and that's most likely you or gonzaw. | ||
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On January 23 2013 20:17 Vivax wrote: Not to mention that I consider it a bad strategy to think someone might be mafia just cause they ran for mayor. Why not austin then? Or yamato? Or Chezinu? Or me? (1)Are you so sure that they all are town? (2]What do you think about fuba? Sandro was thinking he's scum in the second last logs. (1) yeah. Not thaaaat sure about austin but I doubt him being mafia right now (2) I already said I think he's town and no Sandro thought he's town as well if I recall correctly. He said something along the lines of being wrong about fuba and JX being mafia very early on in the 2nd part of the log. Besides, the reasoning for annul still isn't him running for mayor. Besides that, if you read the logs you know there's more reasoning behind it although Sandroba started doubting it. The reasoning is one of them has to be mafia because I think one of the guys running for mayor was mafia. That's a difference. Picture a game with 30 people. Now out of those 30 people 29 are IC's. The statement "You're mafia because you're not an IC" is utterly bullshit. The statement "One of the guys not being an IC has to be mafia" however makes an awful lot of sense. I know it's a retarded example but I want it to be simple so you understand it because frankly it's much more important when looking at Gonzaw. Annul is scummy on his own. | ||
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On January 23 2013 20:25 Toadesstern wrote: (1) yeah. Not thaaaat sure about austin but I doubt him being mafia right now (2) I already said I think he's town and no Sandro thought he's town as well if I recall correctly. He said something along the lines of being wrong about fuba and JX being mafia very early on in the 2nd part of the log. Besides, the reasoning for annul still isn't him running for mayor. Besides that, if you read the logs you know there's more reasoning behind it although Sandroba started doubting it. The reasoning on this particular mayor argument is one of them has to be mafia because I think one of the guys running for mayor was mafia. That's a difference. Picture a game with 30 people. Now out of those 30 people 29 are IC's. The statement "You're mafia because you're not an IC" is utterly bullshit. The statement "One of the guys not being an IC has to be mafia" however makes an awful lot of sense. I know it's a retarded example but I want it to be simple so you understand it because frankly it's much more important when looking at Gonzaw. Annul is scummy on his own. | ||
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On January 23 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote: Use something in your argumentation to say that you think gonzaw and annul are scum besides this mayor thing please. You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." I don't think it's a slip at all. Not sure who I'd want to lynch first at all. I'm trying to figure out how likely it is that mafia shot like total retards (besides the Sandro hit that ist) on purpose to make us think about someone else who might be mafia within the vets, which is the reason we're talking about gonzaw to begin with. gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Annul's posts are awful in general. The ones he did on d1 didn't contribute or were trollish (the combination of both is what's troublesome). Like the wifom-picture post, like his very first (or 2nd?) post "causually" asking why I'm not considering to vote him instead of Sandro. And now he's basicly ragequitting although he's still hanging in here. That's at least something good I guess. On top of that I just never agreed with a single read he did. Saying I'm mafia d1, I think he said you (Vivax) are mafia d1 as well when EVERYONE agreed that you're one of the most townish looking guys around. Check my first log for timestamps on when I said something about you... like 3 hours into the game it was already certain for me, and for Sandro as well. He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. | ||
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Look at what other people are saying who know how I'm playing like palmar, like WBG, like austin, like gonzaw (although he might be mafia I guess...): Every single one of them said I'm like a confirmed townie. I'm not going to include myself in an argument for "one of the guys has to be mafia" for the same reason I didn't include people like Palmar: Because we're as confirmed town as you can get without being an IC or without flipping around now. I mean even if you just ignore that like an idiot and think "okay maybe he's still mafia" just give me one reason for shooting Sandroba if I am mafia. The guy was certain on me being a townie. Why would I try to get him out of the way instead of... idk.... killing people who don't think so watching how Sandro keeps on telling everyone how town I am. It just doesn't make sense. On top of that the guy I masoned today basicly called me confirmed townie as well for a damn good reason I'm not willing to share, at least not today. So really, I'm going to ignore those "toad might be mafia" paranoia posts right now because they're ridiculous and EVERYONE is ignoring them for a reason... | ||
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You were basicly calling everyone an idiot, telling people Vivax is mafia and people shouldn't listen to anything anyone says while ragevoting yourself. I take that as oposing the lynch when Palmar was very much in the lead and most people agreed on prplhz being a decent or the best lynch. | ||
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On January 23 2013 20:58 Vivax wrote: You fucked up by letting sandro get killed, and scums' choice of target points towards them knowing your target for the jail. I don't believe that you would risk sandro getting killed if you were town assuming some derp scum wifomplay behind the NKs. I also can't confirm the authenticity of the logs you posted since sandro died. You should have posted them before. And you should know that. There is no Toad-Paranoia, stop playing den Empörten. wtf is wrong with you... you're literally the worst guy I ever saw... I mean even that axle guy agreed with the point that I could not have done anything different because posting the logs beforehand would be even worse... and axle is fucking bad at this game, like REALLY. | ||
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This is just ridiculous and I should have never answered you guys to begin with... just can't stand it when terribads are mocking me for being bad when I'm doing all the right things and they just don't know what's happening lol... | ||
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On January 23 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote: And right after: Toad, why did you go from "protect gonzaw" to "I don't mind lynching gonzaw"? When I asked you said cause it's likely that he is the mafia mayor candidate. But why didn't you suspect him at all during the night then? for christs sake start reading the fucking thread. | ||
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On January 23 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. not strange at all if you consider the timestampt. That's during n1. Not during d2. The reasoning for oats being more likely town (I never said town btw although I would be willing to rethink that) as in less likely mafia is mentioned in the thread by me at least 3 times I think. I'm not going to quote it again. Oh and bugs said it at least once as well. And I think it's in the log as well but I'm not actually sure about that one. He said I was able to jail, but at a time I already went to bed. Read: I'm not allowed to tell you when I received pm from hosts but I wasn't in here anymore and I went to bed about 1 and a half hour before the deadline hit, so go figure. | ||
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On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote: Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out? palmar kind of did a hitler video about Annul and me once :3 | ||
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On January 23 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote: Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be. CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him. just quoted so I can find it postgame to tell you how bad you are at playing mafia | ||
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Does anyone see a problem with me saying "I thought gonzaw is town d1, which is the reason I thought he'd die n1, which is the reason those retarded night hits make him look not town" ? Because I don't know what Vivax thinks he's getting at here and I'd just like to see someone else comment for once so he finally shuts up | ||
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On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote: But the connection between gonzaw and your Oats read and the people getting interested in gonzaw after the night sealed the deal. This was the post where Toad changed his mind about Oats. But Toad's latest scumreads before this post were: 1st of all, super easy targets to pick as scum. Then, you changed your whole fucking read on Oats based on him being the first to make a case on gonzaw. He wanted gonzaw protected during that night and thought that his former scumread is suddenly town for making a case on someone he wants protected? No, actually, he and gonzaw are scumbuddies. Toad has seen the winds change towards a gonzaw lynch and has set himself up to bus him, that's why he switched stances on both of Oats and gonzaw so extremely. He obviously didn't have good reasons except for the bus motive to do so, that's why his answers regarding gonzaw and annul have been extremely bad and even contradict his opinion on gonzaw. Lynch either of them and thank me after the game, you noobs. Even Axle noticed this shit. FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar. stop cherrrypicking, that's a fucking lie. Those aren't my latest scumreads. My latest scumreads was a list of 7 people and bugs asked who I'd put down as team mafia if I had to. I never said changed my Oats read from mafia to town, even now still have him down as "might be mafia", it only made the mafiaread on him weaker imo and I said exactly that but who cares, you don't even read the thread, nor do you read my posts. | ||
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On January 24 2013 00:35 FiveTouch wrote: Ok, your mayor who lynched you mafia on Day 1 is awful. Coming from the guy who apparently made some bullshit play to keep himself alive (?!) and then after the nightkills had to admit all his reads were wrong. Such a pro. do you think our early read on Vivax is wrong? Dude's annoying as it can get... | ||
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On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote: But the connection between gonzaw and your Oats read and the people getting interested in gonzaw after the night sealed the deal. This was the post where Toad changed his mind about Oats. But Toad's latest scumreads before this post were: 1st of all, super easy targets to pick as scum. Then, you changed your whole fucking read on Oats based on him being the first to make a case on gonzaw. He wanted gonzaw protected during that night and thought that his former scumread is suddenly town for making a case on someone he wants protected? No, actually, he and gonzaw are scumbuddies. Toad has seen the winds change towards a gonzaw lynch and has set himself up to bus him, that's why he switched stances on both of Oats and gonzaw so extremely. He obviously didn't have good reasons except for the bus motive to do so, that's why his answers regarding gonzaw and annul have been extremely bad and even contradict his opinion on gonzaw. Lynch either of them and thank me after the game, you noobs. Even Axle noticed this shit. FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar. not to mention that everything you mentioned is true for Sandroba and WBG as well because they said THE EXACT SAME THING. Guess it has to be Sandroba + WBG + Toad + Prplhz + Gonzaw as team mafia... damn sorry that Sandroba already flipped town and I really don't think WBG is mafia and I know I'm town. Nothing you're saying makes sense... | ||
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On January 24 2013 00:44 Vivax wrote: I have good reason to believe Bugs isn't mafia. It's telling that in none of your arguments you ask me why I think gonzaw is scum if I'm so sure about the connection between you two and you aren't sure about him. why should I ask you why gonzaw is scum, I know you can't scumhunt and a "scumread" is nothing other than rolling a dice for you.. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote: Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. | ||
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well you're still alive, right? | ||
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So obviously debears has to be almost confirmed town to you given your read on oats. Do you think it's more likely that it's 2 townies or 1/1 ? 0/2 is almost certainly not the case as you're still alive. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:18 Toadesstern wrote: So obviously debears has to be almost confirmed town to you given your read on oats. Do you think it's more likely that it's 2 townies or 1/1 ? 0/2 is almost certainly not the case as you're still alive. I mean, we need to talk about something, right now so might as well talk about that | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote: The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote: Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote: It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though. I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish. That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours. | ||
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On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote: It's a good post, it convinced me. On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote: That you could be scum I mean. Tell me again why we had you down as townread early on... | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:04 FiveTouch wrote: Just because I was musing. If Oats is town: There is a roughly 1/10 chance of Oatsmaster being randomly selected as bodyguard. If Oats is mafia: Is there a greater than 1/10 chance that Oatsmaster is put in as bodyguard? I would contend yes. yeah that's actually very true. | ||
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On January 24 2013 02:20 Vivax wrote: Just to be safe though: The sheriff is able to send the PM during the night yes? Can there be multiple mafia powerroles of one kind? (1) Yes (2) No, except for mafia masons of course. | ||
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On January 24 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote: Agreed.. my main rational is.. if we lynch a BG and he is scum... scum still have 2KP (due to rounding up) If we lynch a BG and he is town.. scum still 2 KP and mayor/sheriff have no protection. (assuming 1 bg = town) The risk isnt worth it. if we lynch a BG and he is scum I will offensively jail :3 | ||
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[06:58:03] Erik: for all I care if he's scum and that means both palmar and I survive becase they don't want to "out" oats that's fine with me So I really don't see a reason to risk lynching oats today. Yes he's really scummy but more importantly he's a problem that will solve itself sooner or later. Either mafia shoots him because they want to get Palmar / me OR they shoot Palmar / me in which case oats isn't "probably mafia" but confirmed mafia OR they don't shoot Palmar / me which is perfectly fine with me to be honest. So I'd say we lynch someone else. For me that either means lynching into one of Annul / Gonzaw / Chez or lynching BKE. I myself would like BKE the most right now but I'm not done catching up. Mostly because I haven't figured out the Annul / Gonzaw / Chez triangle and while a 1/3 chance to hit mafia is still decent I think we'll get a better read on that one soon enough as well. | ||
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I don't actually care or know if it's really Palmar :p And I'll be gone for now. Hungry. | ||
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On January 24 2013 15:31 debears wrote: I am not comfortable with lynching Gonzaw currently over annul and BKE Upon closer inspection of his town games listed, and a couple of his scum games, I found that his posting style of convincing someone of their scumminess is a trait of his town games. I only looked a little in the scum ones and I didn't see it I didn't see anything in terms of him defending himself against a scumread's accusations in either That would leave me wanting to lynch Gonzaw based on 1) His running for mayor (scum having to have someone run) 2) Him trying to convince 5touch to lynch oats over prplhz I'm still waiting on an answer over whether the mayor/sheriff can be killed in the same night as a bodyguard. If so, then I agree with not lynching Oats. If the mayor/sheriff can't be killed on the same night, we should take that into consideration of lynching oats yeah I'd say gonzaw would be the worst lynch out of those but he's a possibility. It's entirely based ond process of elimination. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:25 yamato77 wrote: I do not, at all, believe that a quick wagon on to an obviously strong town player excludes debears from the possible mafia candidates. again, look at the timestamp. Debears was like the first guy to vote palmar. | ||
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On January 24 2013 16:29 yamato77 wrote: He was the third. Dude, if that's your ONLY reason for thinking he's town it's fucking weak and you need to reassess. my bad, the first once ft changed his prime lynch candidate to [b]Prplhz[b] | ||
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He's still a bodyguard while both Palmar and I are both still alive. There's absolutely no reason to discuss debears right now. | ||
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I'd say the order of what to do would be: BKE > Chez > Annul > Oats when asked what to lynch first right now. Because again, I don't see a reason to lynch into Oats with the sitaution we're having. The fact that Chez was trying to not let me have the sheriff role is somewhat weak unless you think Austin is mafia as well. There's no point in trying to force an Austin sheriff instead of a Toad sheriff if you think Chez is mafia and both Toad+Austin are town from his PoV, unless he's trying to take stances for the sake of taking stances so that it looks like he's someone thinking about the game, but that'd be a vague assumption / confirmation bias imo. TL;DR: I could get behind both BKE and Chez and I see some advantages / downsides to both options. Oats looks like a retarded lynch for today because he'll either confirm himself as mafia or clear himself soon enough. Annul would be risky I guess. | ||
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On January 24 2013 17:37 Mocsta wrote: Toad theory crafting. Vigilante You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. Considering its 1-shot, is it correct to assume there is no reason for the vig to not have claimed a kill last night? So are we running off the pretense for 3 KP, either Mafia Jack fired, or Town Jack fired or both and someone was protected? In THEORY a townie 1-shot Vig (as in pretty much every vig on TL unless you're the Joker in BC's game :3 ) should claim his hit a couple of seconds prior to deadline. A claim post-deadline should be ignored. I'm saying in theory because that's what you're supposed to do. However, there's a lot of new people who don't do that because they either a) don't know it b) are afraid to get lynched for whatever reason if they happen to shoot a townie It could be someone doesn't know what he's supposed to do. I've seen people in nooby-games not claim being roleblocked as town. The kills are still highly weird so I'd doubt the mafia jack and don't care so much about wether it's a town vig or town Jack if the assumption is correct. Also there doesn't have to be a mafia-Jack to begin with. As Sandro mentioned, 5 mafias for a 22 player game is A LOT and the only reason we're looking so good right now is because we hit mafia d1, which shouldn't happen for mafia at all | ||
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It has up's and downs. You'll certainly get more information with the claim but also a lot more confusion and possibilities for mafias to screw with town. | ||
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I just assumed he didn't get shot because of that. | ||
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On January 24 2013 19:04 Mocsta wrote: Ooo. Didnt know that. So to confirm if medic saves someone from kp. I get a notificatiin saying i was saved. Gotcha yeah medic ... You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. ... whereas sheriff is sheriff ... An incarcerated player cannot be killed or targeted by any actions the night they are incarcerated. ... Anyways, got to go and will be back in a couple of hours. | ||
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On January 24 2013 21:49 Mocsta wrote: Your my #1 too <3 u Chezinu the brown... Prob is theres #4 mafia, and me no likey Anyways.. in your list im clumped with Oatsmaster; so i assumed that meant you were suspicious of me. Considering you just said you would consider voting Oatsmaster, that indeed confirms you have suspicions of him (and im lumped in that group ) his list doesn't look like anything to me. Group 1 has 3 VERY likely townies in it and 3 probably mafias. The group I'm in has bugs vivax and gonzaw in it as well. No idea what to make of it. Wouldn't be suprised if that was a list generated by random.org to see who get's defensive for no reason :p Now you may ask why I'm explaining such things that should not be explained (assuming I am right): I don't like Chez. | ||
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On January 24 2013 22:30 Chezinu wrote: He did great last game! In my opinion, though he still is relatively new. He is moving up fast. what was that last game? Because last time I saw him he wasn't any better than what he's showing this game. | ||
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On January 24 2013 20:14 FiveTouch wrote: Congratulations. You thought exactly what the mafia team thought, and you're stupid enough for it to work on you. Fuck me, bugs. yeah but still unless you're a 100% certain there's no reason to lynch him unless you think the other reads (chez / BKE) are way worse. There's just no reason to lynch him right now if the chances for this problem to solve itself are growing every single cycle. Either MAFIA shoots him because he's town or they don't which means we keep on kicking people's asses. I get that it's most likely some kind of a mafia ploy but I don't think it's hurting us to play along. | ||
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On January 24 2013 21:13 Chezinu wrote: 6. oatsmaster 7. debears 11. axlegreaser 17. Grush 20. mocsta 21. Broodkingexe 3. Annul 1. toadestern 2. Gonzaw -- his name was misspelled in op, I'm not the only one! 4. Vivax 16. Dearestsnot Chez *added by me* Who are yous? 12. mkfuba07 19. stutters695 I likes 8. Fivetouch 14. Yamato77 13. Clarity_nl 22. Austincc Annul Goznaw in case one of the 4 ends up flipping green, maybe stutters who knows. Can anyone make out a pattern or something like that? Because that list still makes no sense to me. | ||
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On January 24 2013 22:53 Chezinu wrote: As already pointed out, the first list are where I guess most of the mafia are. + Show Spoiler [rest] + The goons per say. The list toad is in would be the "big" player list where there is likely at least one mafia player. For annul, I wasn't sure which list to put him in so I stuck him in the middle. If you read my filter this game, look at the conversations between me and mommy dearest. He has been making false statements about me all game. I called him out on some (I thought it was just honest mistakes at first, but there were many of them). 1. about me not having a lynch target. 2. stating I had been up for 12 hours (when I was sleeping) claiming I was lurking thread. 5touch and the masons can confirm I was in fact absent during that time. you can look at my filter too. there is a gap in between that time. My last post the night before and my next post the next day. If dearest was telling the truth, then that would mean I never slept. 3. Totally misreading last game (the one I linked). Does town / mafia Chez read the thread Palmar? Because if town-chez usually reads the thread we lynch him RIGHT NAO. | ||
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I've got to say I'm pretty damn certain Chez isn't town though... as long as people shoot him / BKE (priority on Chez) as vigs, if we have some we should be fine. We need to get somewhere and I'm trusting you on this one... I really think Chez would be the better lynch for today though. ##vote Oats | ||
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On January 24 2013 23:15 FiveTouch wrote: Toad, could you please tell me why you're sure Chezinu isn't town? I don't have anywhere near that confidence. nah can't | ||
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oh just realized this kind of looks like me implying I've got a DT check or something like that. That's not the case :p | ||
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On January 24 2013 23:31 Chezinu wrote: When things get too crazy, Chezinu goes sane briefly to clear the air. Or when people call me out too much. With just mommy dearest I could ignored it. But then you were questioning me too. Then there was the mason thing with reading the PMs wrong. I still have a win condition you know. why aren't you reading the thread? | ||
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It startet out with "Toad is 100% mafia. I'm willing to take full responsibility on that one" next thing was basicly "nah let's lynch Gonzaw instead because he's Toads mafiabuddy" then it was "I'd like to lynch mocsta", now it's "I didn't want to claim, let's lynch Gonzaw" again (did I miss something? what claim?), next is "If you're even remotely good at this game you should notice that yamato is scum by reading his play and his meta." and now he's off to vote FT because he's a mafiamayor, although gonzaw is confirmed mafia according to Vivax, together with myself, yamato and mocsta. I have serious troubles understanding what's going on. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:32 FiveTouch wrote: Vivax, answer my question. It was a very simple one. There's absolutely no reason to think I'm mafia; apparently I may have made the wrong call between Oatsmaster and gonzaw, and that's all there is to it. you have to live with that I guess. A 66% chance to fail at protection (assuming WBG + gonzaw are town) is enough for Vivax to call me confirmed town based on the fact that it's just too unlikely that that could ever happen! I mean it's 66% after all! | ||
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my bad, freudian slip I guess, as I was clearly not able to differentiate between reality and Vivax-world for a secon d On January 25 2013 01:36 Toadesstern wrote: you have to live with that I guess. A 66% chance to fail at protection (assuming WBG + gonzaw are town) is enough for Vivax to call me confirmed mafia based on the fact that it's just too unlikely that that could ever happen! I mean it's 66% after all! | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:36 Vivax wrote: Toad, I was testing reactions with my extended knowledge about gonzaws alignment, the serious trouble you have is only dealing with the way I play, not with what I did. I don't give a fuck if you lynch me to confirm I'm DT. I wouldn't actually mind that cause then you can proceed to lynch the right ones and I'm out of this derp town. Obviously I would prefer if you lynched FT, yamato, Toad and probably Mocsta/Toad > austin/Chez/Bke etc. Gonzaw can stay where he is for now, he's not going anywhere, posting anything, probably tried to manipulate the mason circles and can be lynched later. Now we need to lynch the dangerous guys, namely FT. see the thing is I know a bunch of powerroles, including a DT. I'm just having troubles to believe that right now. | ||
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That should be easy enough to confirm, give me a sec. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:45 yamato77 wrote: The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work? I think they're both mafia. mafias can have multiple roles. So it could be a jack + mason mafia if he's telling the truth. I'm just doubting that you get roles when checking people oO | ||
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because the first one would be a confirmed mafia besides not knowing his alignment. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:50 yamato77 wrote: The way mason works this game is that you choose a person to mason with for a whole cycle, not day or night, but both. If he shot someone last night as you claim, he would have shown up as mafia jack vig, not mason. The mason would have had to begin today, and you wouldn't get that check back. no, jacks don't show up as what kind of power they used. They show up as "jack", not as "jack vig" or "jack mason". If he got a "jack mason" he found someone with 2 roles. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote: Yeah, Toad is scum. You didn't reveal who you masoned. FT didn't reveal who he masoned. Gonzaw was a mason. Toad lied about the DT cause he would know that the DT would know about the role. And what you're asking for is in the picture. Mafia jack mason. Without saying whether it was the previous cycle or this one. well that's a lie. Your role only gives roles and not alignments according to the OP so you would only get "Jack Mason" and not "mafia jack Mason". | ||
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Just stop playing against your wincon in case you're town and spit out what you've got. | ||
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On January 25 2013 01:58 Vivax wrote: You lied about you knowing a DT if you don't know this. I didn't ask him how his role works... nor am I in contact with him... | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:00 FiveTouch wrote: It's likely, if we assume Vivax is telling the truth, that gonzaw was given both Jack and Mason from within the team. So that makes sense at least. Vivax is assuming it was gonzaw's extra shot on Night 1, but doesn't actually have confirmation. Is this correct, Vivax? yeah guess that's what we're at... Would be way easier if the dude would just spit it out himself isntead of blabbering for 3 pages ... | ||
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you seriously want me to claim another DT in the thread? Might as well claim the other role I know, right? | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:03 FiveTouch wrote: Ok, but this means he has other powers to use. You wouldn't have received back mason unless he was one of the mafia's permanent masons, I think. exactly what I'm telling him as well but he doesn't understand | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:03 Vivax wrote: There are no town Rolecops, you can't be a DT yourself and you didn't mason anyone? you're not the only one who openly claimed in the thread... | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote: That's why I thought that gonzaw was mason today, debears, cause I assumed that gonzaw used the vigi power before the check. ... You got back jack + mason... He's a Jack AND a mason. Mason is a day power. Jack is another role. He could mason 2 people if on d1 if he wanted to if your claim is correct. | ||
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Mafia can't take that all out tonight and we have a 100% certain mafia either today (gonzaw) or tomorrow (you). ##vote Gonzaw | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:11 FiveTouch wrote: Toad, I'd like you to mason with me tomorrow. I'd rather make it the cycle after that one... need to contact someone else first. On January 25 2013 02:12 Vivax wrote: This concerns all the people attacking me and having doubts on me knowing if gonzaw was mason. FT and yamato. They can only know and doubt about the accuracy of my assumptions if they know how and when gonzaw was able to use his roles. It reveals their alignment cause it reveals their extra knowledge. The type of question reveals them as scum. In the case they were town they would not have been able to get doubts about that. well you lied with your claim and they figured it out and so did everyone else because what you claimed made no sense. I guess you didn't understand it because you misunderstood your claim yourself because you still haven't understood what you claimed... | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: This doesn't stop now. We should immediately discuss tomorrows' double lynches. The people who have been masoned by gonzaw have to speak up as well. I propose FT and yamato obviously. Yamato is 100 % scum just cause of what I have already shown about him. I'd say we lynch the (possible) red check the other DT has once I mason him tomorrow. | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote: This makes no fucking sense Toad. You didn't ask "your" DT about his N1 check but doubted the syntax of my PM and what data I get back. You dare to bombard me with suspicion but the guy you mason didn't tell you anything except his role and you immediately believed it without knowing what feedback he got? Do you even realize how fucking ridiculous it is what you're claiming? you still haven't read what I said? I never masoned a DT. I shot a PM @the hosts because the OP says rolecop, not role+alignment cop. I'm going to mason the DT next cycle. Understood? Or do I have to say it a 4th time? | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:22 austinmcc wrote: Toad, stop being Vivax. (1) I am Toad, and I know of a DT who got a red check. (2) I am Toad, and I know of someone who is a DT, and I do not know what their N1 check came out. okay 5th time: I know a DT. I do not know a DT with a red check and I never said that. I also never said I am masoned with a DT although people keep saying that for whatever reason, but said DT might have a red check tomorrow, that's why I'm going to mason him tomorrow. | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:28 annul wrote: toad says: "I'd say we lynch the (possible) red check the other DT has once I mason him tomorrow." we know he mason sandroba cycle 1. sandroba was miller. no info he could have received from sandroba is relevant to him knowing about another DT. now, day 2, the only way toad can know of a DT is by masoning another mason (or a jack who used mason day 1). toad is not masoned with this DT today because as he says, "once i mason him tomorrow" means he cannot be with him today under the rules. assume toad is masoning another mason today. the only way that he can know about this DT is if the person toad is talking to today masoned the DT on day 1, that DT claimed to the person toad is talking to today, and then the person toad is talking to today told toad about that DT's identity. next, toad also says: "see the thing is I know a bunch of powerroles, including a DT." the only possible way for this to work is if by "a bunch" he actually means "one other" -- the second mason he is talking to today. he doesn't -- CAN'T -- know "a bunch" of power roles. there is no logical way for this to occur under the rules. so we come down to a few choices: A. toad is red. B. whoever toad is talking to today is red and feeding toad lies. C. whoever toad is talking to today is really, really bad at this game AND whoever talked on day 1 to the person toad is talking to today is also really, really bad at this game for claiming DT to a mason when mafia masons exist in the game. D. whoever toad is talking to today is really, really bad at this game AND whoever talked on day 1 to the person toad is talking to today lied about being DT for some reason. which is more likely? how about you read the thread? The guy claimed in the thread like Vivax did. | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:29 austinmcc wrote: No no, I'm not assuming you're masoned with a DT. Your comment can only be true if you're masoned with someone who themselves was in contact with a DT, otherwise you're lying about something. I just wanted to check on that. "(possible) red check" was just a confusing statement. EVERY DT has a possible red check every night, so it's weird to phrase it like that, rather than just say "check" or whatever. Just pointing out that it might be red isn't actually any information and struck me as funny. Made it seem like you actually knew of someone who had CLAIMED a red check, but you didn't know whether you trusted that person yet, so the "possible" angle was whether they actually did or did not get a red check. If that were your meaning, you'd be lying. well you only lynch the guy if the check comes back red... don't you? | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:36 annul wrote: you keep saying "the people i know." why plural? the only hidden info you have (if you are town) is the one person you are talking with today, and any hearsay evidence he tells you. because it's more than 1, and no it's not hearsay evidence... | ||
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On January 25 2013 02:46 annul wrote: first, it is hearsay evidence. you have no proof. you have the word of someone you are talking with today, which could very well be tainted either by that person himself OR by bad information he got from a red somewhere down the communication chain. second, i think i figured out what is going on. picture coming soon. first is wrong. Here's the explanation for the 6th time: He claimed in the fucking thread. What don't you understand about it? I'm not getting any information from anyone because the guy CLAIMED IN THE THREAD. | ||
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do you even realise what you're asking about? | ||
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You claimed a lie because you claimed what you "assumed" your check meant instead of just claiming your check although we kept on asking to just spit it out. So it's very much reasonable noone believe you in the first place. I'm not going to reveal the blueroles and you're either both mafia or playing against your wincon. Pick it. I'm going to quote this post postgame and it will be 100% and laughing at you for either being the worst townies I've ever seen in a game of mafia or for being mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:12 debears wrote: I'm very tired of playing with Vivax and the shit he's doing same here... let's find myself a townvig | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:25 gonzaw wrote: If this was a "legit" frame/attempt to misslynch me it's weird as fuck because "jack mason" doesn't make any sense. Vivax are you lying about this for a reason or somethign? jack mason makes perfect sense. Mafias can have multiple roles. | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote: It's also telling that yamato posts this after he just finished to post something against gonzaw when the lynch wasn't going anywhere before the claim. "What are you saying Vivax, I am not setting myself up for a bus, I had gonzaw as target for a long time" "What are you doing Vivax, town was heading to an Oats lynch and you get gonzaw lynched with a claim?" Seriously, yamato is so bad as scum, I would lynch him with a spoon. we already know that you'd be willing to lynch everyone disagreeing with you and you said that about at least 8 people this cycle... so get off your high horse and stop being an ass. | ||
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because that's how it is in every single game... | ||
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On January 25 2013 03:58 Vivax wrote: Let me answer for you: 1. You know what powers gonzaw might have used. 2. You know gonzaw has two roles. I have played with jacks before and they just return "joat" or "jack" they don't return with what they used... And I've played in games like this were mafia can have multiple roles and it's exactly like what you claimed. That's why I called you a liar. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:01 Vivax wrote: Toad, why so disinterested in the game? You are always here to ask questions but never to post something on your own. You are still convinced yamato, FT and austin are town? yeah pretty much. Austin would be the one who's the least likely town but still leaning town. There's no reason to think anyone out of those is mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:01 Vivax wrote: Toad, why so disinterested in the game? You are always here to ask questions but never to post something on your own. You are still convinced yamato, FT and austin are town? not to mention that the bolded one is a fucking lie. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote: I actually laughed about this. I like the jokey Bugs. To be honest I was desperately trying to find slips in the interactions after the claim. I found it a bit weird that Toad first asked me this: you claimed a fucking lie. I had to find out wether you're a retard or mafia claiming a lie on purpose. Sry won't do that again in future games. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:19 Stutters695 wrote: What lie? Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't a jack mason return a valid result? it is... he said it's a jack who used his mason powers. That's the whole reason why everyone was so confused because isntead of just telling us what he got as a result he kept on talking about what he "thought" he found... | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:22 FiveTouch wrote: Perhaps I was wrong about Oats and took the wrong side in Oats/gonzaw, but I'm still convinced BKE is mafia. yeah. And with gonzaw being red (assuming he will flip red) Chez really isn't the next target to go. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:37 debears wrote: Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night we have 2 claimed DTs, another claimed blue, a bodyguard and people like WBG who are most likely going to be shot by mafia for being good. I would have agreed with you 4 hours ago but now.... I don't think mafia can shoot all of that at once. | ||
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There's about no way bugs is mafia. About as good looking as FT and myself imo. | ||
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watch grush. Now you're dead Anyways going to bed. Lynch gonzaw, don't listen to anything vivax says unless it's "lynch gonzaw" | ||
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On January 25 2013 13:26 FiveTouch wrote: I pretty much agree with everything you say on BKE and Chezinu there. fuba? You might be correct, but I have him lightly town for the fact that he supported me killing prplhz on Day 1. He simply didn't have to do that. And I know he's an intelligent enough guy not to do such things just because. For what it's worth, my two comments on him in my notes read, from Day 1: "even less content than usual. but voted me wanting to kill prplhz. could easily have kept his vote on austin or elsewhere." and Day 2: "nothing i wouldn't expect him to do as town" It's possible that I'm wrong on him, but there's a couple of other players I'd look at first. yeah pretty much that. On a sidenote now that we've got 2 mafias down: I will jail offensivly tonight. No need to protect Vivax if you're a medic. That guy is going to get roleblocked into eternity, assuming mafia has a RB and mafia ALWAYS has a RB. There's other people that are better of protected and I'm trusting your judgement on that one. I'm still considering to jail Vivax isntead of an offensive jail because he's going to get RB'ed anyways and maybe mafias shoots him after all but I doubt it's going to happen. Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone or safe Vivax. Your call to what to do if you're a medic. | ||
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On January 25 2013 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: [...] Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone unless maybe Vivax. Your call what to do if you're a medic. | ||
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On January 25 2013 10:12 Vivax wrote: So, two out of FT/Toad/austin/Mocsta have to be town. Just...who is it? You perfectly explain that everyone out of those (besides austin) has to be town over here: On January 25 2013 09:51 Vivax wrote: I'll give you an example of a "townslip" : I thought gonzaw was a "Jack Mason" in the meaning that his currently selected power is mason. That's why I started speculating about him being vig yesterday and mason today. I wouldn't have said these things if I was scum, cause I would have known how things work. If you think I "built them in" in the hope that someone would see this as a townslip, then you overestimate both me and this town. That's why you have to look at the people who seemed to know how things worked on the mafia side. You will most likely find them in the moments after my claim. and yet you're claiming the opposite. wtf are you doing. I don't really care. At this point we have 5 people who aren't confirmed town. Out of those 5 people 3 are mafia. Chez and BKE with almost 100% certainty (hinthint: I was pushing for BKE yesterday instead of lynching oats, Bugs was pushing for Chez instead of oats, FT lynched prplhz d1, mocsta knows his shit). | ||
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In reality only half the game is confirmed town by now but you're still looking very much townish. Just not confirmed. | ||
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On January 25 2013 14:29 Toadesstern wrote: I exagerated a little when I said everyone but 5 people is confirmed. In reality only half the game is confirmed town by now but you're still looking very much townish. Just not confirmed. The statement still holds true. Everyone but 5 people is either confirmed town or looking really townish. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok WBG, I think grush could be scum. Because, he is trolling the thread, has no actual scum reads. He still hasnt explained why he masoned yamato. Gonzaw just flipped mafia mason. Yeah there can be multiple masons but with 5 mafias in a 22 player game, with mafia having a jack as well I really doubt it. On top of that mafia can choose who ends up being what role for them. Here's a bunch of questions: Do you think they would give Grush that role? (okay... wifom) If he's a mafia he got in his QT telling people "DUDES I TOTALLY WANT TO BE A MASON" because he masoned early. Do you think he'd get in a game with that attitude as mafia and then just not use his mason powers as all? I mean look at the "conversation" lol. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:27 DearestSnot wrote: should I do a "this is where we are right now" kind of post? Because basically I have absolutely no problem with outting every single read of mine on every single player, but I don't want to taint everyone else's reads. Basically if I'm wrong anywhere I don't want people sheeping me; different perspectives are useful, and I'm asking people to name these reads so I can see what you guys think before I just flood the thread with what I think could be game-breaking reads if they are 100% correct. I need to be absolutely sure of almost everything though. At the moment I'm like...95-97% sure of everything. There's a few tiny holes but honestly...I don't see us losing by basically just taking a list of 6-7 players and lynching them indiscriminately. yeah same here. | ||
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just that I'd make it even more extreme than you worded it. | ||
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Don't feel like editing out info I shouldn't post right now in my sheet... | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote: [fluff] After this game I would love to know how u guys make notes etc i just read the thread, and get a gut feeling.. if i dont like someone, i read the filter and then makes notes as im reading the filter you guys seem to make notes as you read the thread; and seem to have detailed noted on all players is that correct? actually depends. in minis I have detailed notes about everyone linking to every post I consider important with an explanation. That way I can just copy & paste my spreadsheet about anyone and instantly have like 10 important points about someone and the reasoning for why they're important. On top of that I have the table-kind-of-sheet you already saw in my logs with Sandro as an overall sheet, to sum everything up. And I only link to that one when I post my reads at night when I think I might die. In big games it's way too much effort to do that imo and I only have the overview you already saw, with some reasoning inbetween but only on weak reads. | ||
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you also don't read the thread but we all know that. | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:45 Chezinu wrote: yeah, its kind of true. I do skip segments. I something ctrl+F Chez if I need to catch up. Kind of like last game where I didn't know why jackal was being lynched. I voted thrawn. okay let's say one out of : Chez + BKE + mkfuba flips green. Who is the last mafia? | ||
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On January 25 2013 15:48 Chezinu wrote: the "nonconfirmed" towns on this list. 6. oatsmaster 7. debears 11. axlegreaser 17. Grush - innocent if mocsta is mafia 20. mocsta - innocent if grush is mafia 21. Broodkingexe I can actually point to 4 confirmed townies on that list. | ||
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On January 25 2013 17:15 AxleGreaser wrote: @Debears I am trying to understand something, you can help The something I am trying to understand is what people regard as valid argument of substance. What I want from you though is an estimate about what you might do in various situations I did for instance see recent SK claim by you... So I a personally am not sure what i would rule out if you were scum. Dont worry I think some people think your town even if Oats is flavor of the evening with Gonzaw dead My problem primarily I believe is in understanding just how much .....? To guess that other players have Look at Toads comment + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 16:28 Toadesstern wrote: again, look at the timestamp. Debears was like the first guy to vote palmar. Yep I know its town read like thing on you. And its night and I dont do that but this is a little different. My problem is I think at that time in the game if you were scum you might well have the balls to hitch yourself to such wagon. If the at that time smurf did become mayor and kill scum D1.... Then you being in so early could be seen as good thing. On the other hand isnt piling on stuff really fast described as sheeping. I really dont get it. That claim by Toad that cant be the reason he was arguing you were town can it? You see my problem is when he says stuff like that, which is easy to do then easy to do feels wrong to me. If its true it cant be his actual reason then I can start resetting my what is scummy meter somewhere else. + Show Spoiler + To dumb to be tel? Why is that important. Well there is distinction between being useful to town and shitting up the thread. I really do want to ask Annul about his OMGUS vote back at dearest snot at the start of D2. Trouble is I wifom myself out of it by saying yeah but thats so flipping obvious it cant be knee jerk reaction.... or can it or... Similarly with Toads Town read reason for you. It is true that in my model I hand out townie points for things like what you did (Vote for the likely smurf mayor) .... or take them off it it looked expedient... Do note he wouldn't have been "likely" at all at that time, unless perhaps you had an inkling who he really was and that as that became more apparent .... In the end it seemed to me that Five touch got elected for reasons that I simply am not privy to. Dont like mason games..... mafias don't sheep people voting your buddies early on. Debears was either the first or the 2nd guy who voted Palmar / Marv once he announced he's changing his lynch from oats to Prplhz. There is no reason to do that as mafia and yes it is sheeping. Townies as well as mafias sheep. No one cares wether debears is good, useful or anything else. We care about wether he's town or mafia and he is most certainly not mafia with that vote. Actually he's still the 6 most likely guy to flip mafia in my sheet but that's because everyone besides the bottom 4 are mayor townreads :p | ||
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I'll flip a coin tonight. If it's heads I'll jail BKE. If it's tails I'll jail Vivax. Just don't want vigs to shoot BKE when I'm jailing him and I don't want medics to waste protection on Vivax when there's about 0 chance he's getting shot because mafia will just RB him, assuming they have an RB like in 99% of every game on TL that isn't a pure vanilla game. One interesting thing to remember for possible medics: I can medic a person only ONCE per game, so if you're not sure what to do just protect WBG. I'd still say he's likely to be shot and there's exactly 0% chance for me to change my mind and protect him tonight. | ||
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On January 25 2013 19:30 Mocsta wrote: This logic doesnt make sense to me. If mafia RB vivax, why would they burn KP on him? Its one or the other, either way he doesnt get a DT check. You jailing him, he still doesnt get a DT check. Wheres the value? The only value i can see is if you think he will add value to scum hunting day3 without DT information. the value is that I think someone might be stupid enough to think vivax needs a protection. I'm forcing medics to protect something else with that statement :p I roleblock townies while protection so IF someone is going to waste protection on vivax let it at least be me in case I get tails that is. | ||
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On January 25 2013 20:37 Vivax wrote: Tell me Toad, why do you want to jail BKE? read the OP before telling me I'm doing something bad. You can't block shots that are delived by mafia. Jailing a mafia reduces their number. Right now there are 3 mafais. If I jail BKE they lose 1 KP for this night. Sounds better than protection a townie and blocking him to me, doesn't it? | ||
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On January 25 2013 20:52 annul wrote: do not jail vivax. that's pretty stupid. let medic protect him so he can get a DT check off. also, if you jail BKE and he is mafia, then mafia get only 1 KP tonight. therefore, one medic on vivax would be enough: mafia cannot stack shots on him since they only have one shot. unless mafia RB works on your sheriff ability... i have no idea if it does. no one is going to shoot vivax. He claimed DT for christs sake.. | ||
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On January 25 2013 20:25 Vivax wrote: What the hell is this retarded post? You announce you're going to offensively jail a scum and you think they will let him make the kill? You're just setting yourself up to let me get shot. It's sad I'm the first to post this. you're the first to post this because you're, again, the only one in the thread who doesn't understand this game Everyone else apparently understood it fine. Now we've at least got it confirmed I guess. | ||
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On January 25 2013 20:56 FiveTouch wrote: Was a roleblock claimed after Night 1 other than bugs? I don't think so but the kills are either retarded or attempted blue-snipes. I'm going with attempted blue-snipes since JX was pretty lurkish for example. So I'd say they might have rb'ed them as well for both the RB on a possible blue + hiding the RB. Of course it's possible that there's no RB to begin with but there's no way in finding that out. | ||
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On January 25 2013 21:25 Vivax wrote: Toad, actually do me a favour and don't flip a coin, simply don't protect me. If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good. can do, if the medic promises me to protect someone else than you. | ||
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On January 25 2013 22:15 Vivax wrote: It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless. For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy. I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that. It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly. Yamato is a prime example of that. same can be said for me, except for the fact that the rest of my reads don't suck like balls. I told you a list of 7 players at the end of n1 / start of d2 out of which has 4 mafias in it, and at the start of n2 a list of 6 people that has 5 mafias in it (adding already dead mafias). And you're calling me mafia :p | ||
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On January 25 2013 23:58 Vivax wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad). gonna be honest. Never thought about tossing a coin and already sent in "jail BKE" 10 hours ago... I just need the medic to listen to me and the medic knows what I'm doing so again: medic listen to everything I say, it is of utmost importance tonight that you do exactly as I say and not protect vivax. Not even kidding. | ||
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On January 26 2013 00:19 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you posting this? This is terrible. Come on Toad. because everyone figured it out thanks to vivax anyways... | ||
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On January 26 2013 00:35 Vivax wrote: There is no reason to act like you're playing mindgames when mafia knows you're going to offensively jail anyway. You will always pick targets they're not going to shoot. You suspect BKE? You jail BKE. That's also valid for you FT, why are you suddenly asking to consider other targets when you've just written a case against BKE without even saying if you want him lynched or jailed? Pointless posts, Toad. it's about the medics targeting the right guy instead of targeting you... | ||
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On January 26 2013 01:29 DearestSnot wrote: lololol it's like every time I leave the thread, I come back and it's inflated by several pages by Vivax raging at something he has no clue about and then it degenerates into him bragging for some unknown reason. I guess he conveniently forgot the townies he was tunneling d1 to say he's been right two times in a row LOL Anyway, just so that it's not gone unnoticed, Chezinu never answered my Oats question and his response to my query of scumreads was a list of players that omitted mkfuba. At this point if Chez is not scum I really do not know what to say. yeah I really thought about that as well and think i might be better of jailing Chez but I don't want to change everything now that I told vigs I'm jailing BKE and medics to protect you and bodyguards... | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote: hey WBG and fivetouch and toad who are your top three scum reads pl0x already said it's Chez, BKE mkfuba. Everyone else is either very likely town or even confirmed town. | ||
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IMPORTANT On January 25 2013 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: yeah pretty much that. On a sidenote now that we've got 2 mafias down: I will jail offensivly tonight. No need to protect Vivax if you're a medic. That guy is going to get roleblocked into eternity, assuming mafia has a RB and mafia ALWAYS has a RB. There's other people that are better of protected and I'm trusting your judgement on that one. ///Priority on Bugs: I can't safe him, ever again, keep him alive. We need his voice of reason in times of Vivax. If Bugs dies tonight I'll slap people postgame/// I'm still considering to jail Vivax isntead of an offensive jail because he's going to get RB'ed anyways and maybe mafias shoots him after all but I doubt it's going to happen. Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone unless maybe Vivax. Your call what to do if you're a medic. It is of utmost importance that you do as I say. Don't do listen to anyone about what to protect but me. Thx. I will be jailing BKE | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:46 Vivax wrote: Just think about why we lynched mafia last day. It wasn't cause you listened to Toad, FT and gonzaw wanting to kill Oats. I said I want to kill one out of BKE - Chez - gonzaw - oats, priority on BKE. So please shut up or stop telling lies. Again, I'll be REALLY mad if you screw up @medic. | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:57 Vivax wrote: Just cause you posted a list of x people with 1 mafia in it that doesn't make you town. Stop making ridiculous arguments. The last thing you said before the claim regarding gonzaw: And when the claim came. You did the same thing as yamato, you attacked it as hard as you could without even reading the OP before to check if I got the right check back. Doesn't look to me like the revelation of mafia gonzaw didn't surprise you. Look at Oats' reaction as counter example. and you're not reading in context. I said everyone is town besides those 4 (+1 other guy) imo. All 4 are great lynches, gonzaw being the worst imo due to the "Annul - Chez - Gonzaw -triangle" or however I labled it. The list was still head on right, wasn't it? | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:01 Vivax wrote: What is this fear of me getting roleblocked you have anyway? N1 → Only roleblocked guy was Bugs, and he was jailed. Conclusions? Mafia withheld their roleblock or mafia doesn't have a roleblocker? Why do you believe in option 1? JX could have been roleblocked, the other guy who died could have been roleblocked, bugs could have been roleblocked, sandro could have been roleblocked. | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:06 Vivax wrote: If I ever see you use Ockham's razor I will slap you in the face, cause you clearly aren't using it in this game. Sandro killed AND roleblocked? it's actually the thing to do as mafia. Never use your RB on someone you're not killing unless you have a 100% certain blue-read. Like the one on you. But you wouldn't know, because you have no idea how to play this game so you just keep on telling me the right things I say are wrong because you disagree with them, which makes me mafia because you don't know shit. | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:13 Vivax wrote: You forgot your flipflopping regarding gonzaw and Toad I called you out about vehemently. Gonzaw was a likely Nightkill for you before the day. After the night, people expressed the suspicion of him. So you did, too. Oats looked suddenly much more townie to you. Yet, you concluded with an Oats vote just before I claimed. And no mentioning of gonzaw in this one? Anyway, I'll show your attitude towards gonzaw in my next post. Gotta go to training so I don't know if I'll make it in time. I was the first person you called for the gonzaw lynch. The FIRST EVERYONE thought gonzaw was town and EVERYONE was sure the read was wrong once the nightkills went thorugh and EVERYONE agreed that's something that made Gonzaw scummy. You're basicly telling me I'm mafia because I was right about Gonzaw. Way to go confirmation bias. Sadly for you I'm town and nothing in this game you said was correct | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:22 Vivax wrote: And what in that post is an argument for you being town LOL? I don't know, maybe the fact that I was very much involved into making FT mayor and lynching prplhz by proxy. The fact that I said "those 4 people in this list have 2 to 3 mafias in it", which again, was/is correct. The fact that our... gosh I guess I shouldn't say that... aren't dead. The fact that everyone in this thread thinks you have no idea what you're saying. The fact that I've got shittons of pm's from people obsing telling me to chill a bit because everyone outside the game knows you're just full of shit and everyone's laughing about you. Except for syllo. He's mad that I'm rage-outing blues when asked to out blues by some idiots instead of just ignoring said idiots. I mean what am I even saying here. I'm talking with the guy who tried to get our basicly mod confirmed mayor who lynched mafia d1 lynched instead of a red check :p | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:30 Vivax wrote: Hint: Search for gonzaw's name in Toad's D1 filter and look at Toad's opinions on gonzaw. It's easy, quick to do and informative. what part of "everyone thought gonzaw is a townie d1 and realized it's wrong once the n1 hits came in" don't you understand? Of course I thought he's town, like everyone else did d1. And like everyone with half a brain I realized he's very likely mafia on d2. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:32 Vivax wrote: Hey medic bros Think about the gonzaw lynch, and think about another lynch like that happening cause I make awesome checks. Forget Bugs. Noone listen to this guy. I'm the sheriff. You listen to me. End of discussion. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:47 DearestSnot wrote: actually no one should protect vivax cause I don't think anyone gives a fuck if he dies the thing is that IF someone wastes protection on Vivax it should be at least the guy who ends up roleblocking him as well because he'll get roleblocked anyways. And to make sure noone else thinks about protecting him :3 | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:51 Vivax wrote: WIFOMY bastards, you're working against our medics by leaving these insecurities in the field. If they waste a protection on me, then it's only Toad's and Bugs fault. no it's the medics fault for not listening to me. | ||
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On January 26 2013 09:59 DearestSnot wrote: WBG's Scum Annihilation List Scum, prepare yourselves to be penetrated. Alright, you fuckers better simply win this with brute force if I die. There are very limited possibilities for who can be scum now. They're like rats in a research facility. Either they're hiding for their lives, or they're waiting for us to perform gruesome experiments on them, their lives in imminent danger. Virtually 100% scum: Chezinu BKE Pretty fucking likely: mkfuba null(ish) in order of likelihood: coinflip if the above 3 are not scum: yamato mocsta lean town: grush annul debears virtually cannot be scum: everyone else Trust me on this, I'm fairly sure if you all simply lynch straight down this list mafia will be fucked. There's the possibility that you may have to do some slight changes or whatever supposing that one or two town flip in the process, but that should be straightforward as you go. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvRGXY4QJLzOdGhXNXg0Vmg3M0drQzlHamNwb1d2akE#gid=0 agree | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote: How'd I go from probably town to null Gotta go well it's just "probably town" it's just not modconfirmed. So it's based on a read and not on actual information, so it's not certain. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:03 Toadesstern wrote: well it's just "probably town" it's just not modconfirmed. So it's based on a read and not on actual information, so it's not certain. at least for me | ||
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I obviously jailed BKE | ||
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Would have masoned bugs today and would have asked him about any checks he might have possibly gotten so I claim for him but now that Vivax successfully screwed that one up I have to think of someone else... | ||
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I don't see anything besides that happening. | ||
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is there a problem with that? That way bugs would not have had to claim himself.. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote: What good will yelling do? Please mason me. Vivax, what were your results? yelling might give us better protections in the future? I could just tell him what to protect next night instead of just having to trust he's not listening to anything vivax says. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:22 Vivax wrote: Well nevermind. I'm getting paranoid around you. I didn't screw up anything. We don't even know if there are medics. Bugs could have as well claimed, the medic protection would have been assured. I have not been roleblocked, that should tell you enough to know that roleblockers are unlikely. Or that BKE was the roleblocker. we know there's a medic... And you apparently checked a green, is that correct? | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:26 Vivax wrote: It helps me in the same way it helped me during D1 when I didn't immediately hand it out: Scum don't know how to behave. good job. Thanks for killing our not outed DT for that information. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote: Don't be ridiculous. I didn't kill anyone, it was the medics' choice (you apparently are sure there is one). Bugs didn't claim despite the probable absence of a scum roleblocker, that's cause he didn't listen to whom? Toad, your N1 decision fucked this town over the worst possible way. The jack didn't get roleblocked, you roleblocked the DT, and Sandro died. Think about this before giving me the fault for what's happening. I realize it might have been bad luck, but so was this night for Bugs. And you can't blame it on me. Have some of the shit you're shoveling at me. it wasn't my decision. I told Sandro I'll protect him and he told me to shut up and jail bugs instead. That's bad luck. There however was NO REASON to screw us over the way you did yesterday. | ||
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look at that post. It's an awesome post. Noone other than: Chez, BKE, fuba, Yamato, mocsta gets to be discussed this cycle. Because everyone else is about as much town confirmed as you can get. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:09 annul wrote: toad: how many town masons do you know of right now? I don't know of a single mason besides me. | ||
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[14:26:11] Erik: the thing about annul and everyone saing we shouldn't lynch him [note: Chez] because of the bomb is [14:26:20] Erik: it's not like he's going to get taken out by mafia and explode [14:26:27] Marv: exactly [14:26:35] Erik: and if he's telling the truth we don't want to lynch him either [14:26:49] Erik: he's basicly a VT for all I care | ||
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On January 26 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote: You say the 5th cause you already know you're the 4th? he's the 4th most awesome guy in this game. Bugs and me were more awesome, and someone else I can't tell you, right after those 3 games FT. But on the point: No it's because we know chez and BKE are mafia... | ||
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sry dude, you won't get that #3 position on awesomeness-scala with that attitude! I hope scala is an english word as well because I have no idea what would be the correct word if it's not. | ||
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On January 26 2013 22:43 FiveTouch wrote: On the presumption BKE flips mafia, I'm already in at #2 ^^ I was the guy who wanted to lynch BKE over oats yesterday and bugs as well. You're not getting better than #3 once BKE flips red. | ||
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On January 26 2013 22:53 Vivax wrote: Ok, so Chez has a bomb on him. Who should we be lynching instead of him in your opinion? [14:26:11] Erik: the thing about annul and everyone saing we shouldn't lynch him [note: Chez] because of the bomb is [14:26:20] Erik: it's not like he's going to get taken out by mafia and explode [14:26:27] Mystery Man: exactly [14:26:35] Erik: and if he's telling the truth we don't want to lynch him either [14:26:49] Erik: he's basicly a VT for all I care | ||
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FT being goku. the 5 ginyu force guys being mafia (how fitting, even in numbers!). Why do you want to lynch goku? How do we defeat freeza without Goku? | ||
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On January 26 2013 23:24 Vivax wrote: Cool, then start finding scum and giving your opinion about today's lynches instead of making snarly comments about me please. I already found all the mafias there are in this game on d2. But I can include some townies if you want me to. | ||
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On January 27 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Debears, Adam, Vivax, Austin all not confirmed to me. Oats/Axle might be mafia but I doubt it. yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing. Oats and Axle are both confirmed town. | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:23 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing. Oats and Axle are both confirmed town. that being said I still have townreads on those 6 people (debears, adam, vivax, austin, yamato and mocsta) but they're the way to go if something flips green this cycle. | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:51 mkfuba07 wrote: I see most of those reasons as valid. The first half of the game, I was kind of stymied by an "if you're right, you're right" situation. I found FT's reads incredibly compelling. I couldn't find anything I could add. I can't explain why I didn't really have any reads of my own. Things just didn't come together in my head. In any case, I'm working on correcting my play this game (and hopefully my play for games to come). Something happened yesterday afternoon that seems to have alleviated much of my anxiety while playing mafia, so don't be surprised to see me change playstyles completely. I'm gonna plan on not writing any more defense posts until I've got someone to replace myself with on toad's list. At the moment I'm reading axle's filter to confirm his towniness for myself. @toad: do you have any responses to my questions? If any of it is some kind of extra information read based on masoning, then there's no need to explain it to me I guess. Just know that I'll be trying to go through almost everyone's filters today (D3), and if there's some undeniable proof that you could share it would save me, potentially, a great amount of time. I suppose I'll just ask to be very explicit. Oats and Axle are both 100%, undeniably, town? Sorry no time right now, have to leave Anyways I wouldn't say 100% sure, I'd say at least 90% sure though. There's a fair chance (as in a chance that isn't 0%) I'm wrong on them but I can confirm that easily myself, I just need some time and I can explain it the next cycle, so give me that time and ignore them for today. It's just wasted time as even if one of BKE / Chez is town other people are more likely mafia. And no, has nothing to do with mason powers or knowledge. See you. Might be back online around 01:00 am my time for an hour or something like that. | ||
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That also means BKE is 100% confirmed mafia. | ||
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On January 27 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote: I don't think medic gets confirmation if the target dies. But yeah, I just realized I made a mistake in thinking, forget what I just posted about medic not claiming if he targeted Bugs. If the medic targeted Bugs we know for sure that BKE is town, actually. Toad looked SO sure that Bugs hadn't been targeted though. medic usually gets confirmation if they saved their target from 1 hit, even if they ended up dying. So yeah if there's a medic who protected bugs from 1 KP and he still ended up dead the medic should claim. I don't think it happened though. | ||
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On January 27 2013 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: gawd I really just don't understand your posts... that was directed at axle. Sorry for the quadruple post but I really needed to clear this one up... | ||
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On January 27 2013 18:09 annul wrote: AND HEY TOWN: please stop voting chez today. there is literally no reason whatsoever to vote him today. none. save my bomb and pile onto him on a future day if we absolutely whiff today. an active hatter is much more important to have in a potential late game scenario. your bomb just won't trigger no matter what if you're telling the truth. Mafia is not going to shoot you and we're not going to lynch you. Have fun being a VT. | ||
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Something's wrong there. If you have a red check be clear about it and stop blabbering around. | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:11 annul wrote: wait so i am confused vivax checked mocsta? that is his red check? i am going to sleep VERY soon so like is this the vote? BKE and moc? no he checked bugs... | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:12 debears wrote: Vivax checked Bugs. Fantastic That's like him checking me or oats actually him checking you or oats would be that bad. You're very likely town but you're not confirmed either. I'd definitly say dt's should check townies that are almost confirmed but not really 100% confirmed if at least one of the guys flips red tonight. | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:15 annul wrote: well fuck, i still think you should not vote chezinu. there is LITERALLY only a potential neg negative about a chez lynch today. mafia do not get any extra KP for his survival today. lynching mafia is something I'd consider positive. | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:17 annul wrote: we have like 7 cycles to do things with. no need to waste a blue power. On January 28 2013 01:17 annul wrote: you can lynch him at any point in the future right now mafia has 2 KP because there's 3 mafias alive. I'm PRETTY DAMN SURE both of BKE and Chez are mafia but this way worst case scenario is only one flips mafia (imo) which still reduces mafia KP to 1, permanently. So if we really screw up the lynch on Chez + BKE is better because a screw up is still decent while changing to a weaker target and hitting double town would be awful and indredibly unlucky but we already know we don't have luck this game at all... | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:30 annul wrote: no, i just have no idea what you are asking me. we have a full cycle to talk, not just today. i figure today is done since i cant convince people off of chez. we know more at the flip i guess. there's no no reason to play risky right now. Just get this game home safe please and lynch Chez :3 | ||
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On January 28 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote: Toad, why don't you just answer his question? it is an answer. I don't think we can get something meaningful out of austins activity right now. Nor out of his "ninjavote". | ||
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If I remember correctly at that point in time something like FT / Toad / Yamato / chez was supposed to be team mafia according to you, wasn't it ? | ||
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You had reads that completly disagreed with everything someone said. You're supposed to have had a red check on gonzaw. You tell people not to protect Bugs, our unclaimed DT and mafia ends up killing him. And on top of that you also check him. That sounds kind of convenient, doesn't it? I mean what are the chances for that happening? | ||
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No explanation on gonzaw check when everyone thought he is town d1+n1 and everyone realized gonzaw is looking bad once the nighthits came him. No explanation was needed and Vivax didn't understand the situation. Vivax apparently thought gonzaw is mafia although he never explained a thing about gonzaw. No explanation on his bugs check and why he picked him although bugs was literally mod confirmed at that time and on top of that our DT. He might have picked just picked it up when I kept answering instead of just ignoring him and Annul (remember how those two kept telling me to out Bugs as DT + the other guy?). My bad for talking about that instead of just ignoring people but there's no reason to ask me to out a blue whatsoever. He keeps on stalling people like he did with his check d2 and he did it this cycle again instead of just giving us something so we know where we're at. It could have very well been a bus on gonzaw and the check on bugs is still incredibly convenient, isn't it? There was 1 guy who died, a single guy out of 1951961169 people who doesn't provide ANY kind of information and Vivax conventiently choose him. I'd rather take a look at wether he's mafia before lynching into slight townreads that just aren't confirmed yet like Yamato / whoever else. On top of that he is supposed to be a DT while we already saw Bugs flip DT and I know more blue roles. It does look strange. | ||
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Anyways that meanas mafia doublestacked Bugs. That also means there's 2 people we have to look out for. I don't like Annuls question about mad hatters and wether their bomb would explode when lynched to be honest. Not that I know the answer, but I would know the answer because I would have asked the host about that way earlier if I were a madhatter. Should have voted for doublelynch so we can go after 2 people. That way we again would have made sure that we at least hit one guy... ALSO: I'm probably not going to tell you what to do with your medic protection tonight. | ||
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D1 here's what happened: I asked Gonzaw to vote for me to make me sheriff. He said he'll look into it and vote me if he won't get enough votes. He keeps his vote on himself until 5 minutes (by heart..) prior to deadline and sticks with it because he has 3 votes. HOWEVER he said he's fine with both austin and me and I think he was more fine with austin being sheriff than me. Have to check it but it looks odd. On top of that look at Chez' votes: austin -> BKE -> gonzaw 1 minute prior to deadline. On top of that if we assume Sandro (voting austin), axle (99% certain townie) and mocsta (most likely townie due to double mason flip) that leaves oats, Gonzaw and austin as people on austin / gonzaw. Gonzaw was mafia. Let's say oats is town for now. That means they can only get one to 4 without using a ninjavote from chez to push it to 5 which they MOST LIKELY didn't want to risk because that would have made it look really odd. | ||
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[16:29:26] Mystery Man: hm [16:32:22] Mystery Man: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1 [16:32:26] Mystery Man: like [16:32:33] Mystery Man: a metric fuckton [16:32:42] Mystery Man: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz [16:32:57] Mystery Man: it's goddamn everywhere holy shit [16:33:51] Mystery Mane: dude he's mafia [16:33:55] Mystery Man: he's fucking mafia | ||
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that was at a time when we were dead certain about BKE and chez both being mafia. I'd say he's a good option again. On January 29 2013 00:36 FiveTouch wrote: The problem is, this is incorrect. He stated more than once he preferred you to austin. well yeah, but he never did... Just check austins filter. | ||
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i mean, same could be said about Chez. He had 3 votes if not 4 at some point and ended up with 2 votes I think? | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:47 FiveTouch wrote: He never did, but so what? gonzaw never even left the door open for him being able to vote for austin, because if he voted for austin after saying he preferred you, he'd be caught immediately. He didn't vote for you in the end because a) he's mafia and b) you already had the position. you don't think that this one [16:29:26] Mystery Man: hm [16:32:22] Mystery Man: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1 [16:32:26] Mystery Man: like [16:32:33] Mystery Man: a metric fuckton [16:32:42] Mystery Man: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz [16:32:57] Mystery Man: it's goddamn everywhere holy shit [16:33:51] Mystery Mane: dude he's mafia [16:33:55] Mystery Man: he's fucking mafia means anything? You don't think that his recent lurkerish attitude doesn't mean anything? Maybe Bugs, you and I are dominating the discussion too much but austin usually is a guy who's posting some. | ||
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Same could be / could have been said about Annul and BKE... So probably lynching people like stutters / fuba first? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:00 austinmcc wrote: Filter's worse than that. I was all blah about prplhz D1, found Gonzaw townie, and somewhat pushed to save Gonzaw D2. I noted that one of the reasons not to make me mayor was that I'd be busy until the end of the month with work. That was an understatement. I'm posting WAY less and reading WAY less than usual, I know. That will most likely continue until the end of January, or whenever I can get my work out the door. That said, I don't see it making sense for both Gonzaw and I to run as third-place folks when we could have consolidated. If I were mafia and trying to save Gonzaw D2, I should have: (1) started talking about a possible frame from the very outset, to maybe keep votes off him BEFORE they got there; (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2. I don't usually give a crap about insta-delurks but that was a funny one :p Anyways, I don't mind the "you would not have run alongside with gonzaw" at all because as we can see Chez did as well and he had a decent amount of votes. Pretty sure he was ahead of me most times and yet both Chez and Gonzaw ended up running. With townies being split (like Sandro on you, WBG telling people not to vote me and I voted myself) mafia might have thought it's a good way to not make it look fishy by getting all votes on one guy for no reason and though it's possible without risking that. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:00 austinmcc wrote: (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2. and that one sounds weird to me. I don't know... maybe some native could tell me if it does sound weird in english but when I think about it in german it does sound weird. I just don't know about this "I would". As in, does it sound weird at all to you? If it does, is it because it's wrong tenses or is it because it sounds weird on itself. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:14 FiveTouch wrote: It sounds fine to me. It's not a point in austin's favour, though, because he's clever enough to know that he'd be able to use this argument in the future (i.e. now). Because actually the fact that gonzaw was unsaveable means any clever mafia could opposite and later go "omgz, why would I do that, it's so silly!!!!" yeah with him telling us that post was prepared ahead of time he DID think of it ahead of time... which townies rarely do because they think everyone think they're town. Just look at how I called myself confirmed town d1 :p To post that within 30minutes is odd with that reasoning imo. I'd still go for someone of a lower caliber first though. I know most people don't like set-up / balance speculation like that but I really think Chez + Prplhz + Gonzaw + another vet (BKE / austin imo... could have thought about that earlier) doesn't make an awful lot of sense. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: Just gonna say it now, I'm never not going to lynch someone for balance reasons. what do you make of madhatter + madhatter + DT + DT + you know all the stuff I know as well ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote: Well, that's more setup rather than balance The only somewhat conclusions I've drawn are the mason mafia/town ratio. yeah the masons look good now. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote: And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/ he never supported me | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:13 FiveTouch wrote: It's more because I'm repeating myself. In the quote Vivax provided, he said he was happy to vote for gonzaw, and yet he never did. austin could easily have consolidated over to gonzaw and made him sheriff, yet didn't, and let Toad become elected sheriff instead. austin was plenty active Day 1 and it makes no sense that he wouldn't throw his support over to gonzaw at some stage, especially as he'd seemingly given himself this opportunity to do so. gonzaw would have needed 2 votes, which means they would have needed chez on top of that which would have made gonzaw look really odd at a time he still looked good. | ||
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On January 29 2013 02:14 FiveTouch wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=166#3312 he can say that easily when he never planned to vote me to begin with. As Vivax pointed out he was more in austins favor earlier on. | ||
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But he still looks fishy imo. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:29 debears wrote: Something we should keep in mind with austin Gonz was jack mason I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity) Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long they can decide their roles after seeing how it works though. Agree with marvs find though. | ||
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On January 29 2013 03:40 debears wrote: My point is that I find it morr likely for sxum to rely on austin over chez going into lategame one member down I'd say the opposite. Chez is way more of a vet and at the same time you can't pull those "why is chez still around" arguments on chez unlike you could do on someone like marv / bugs / sandro surviving longer than they should. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:16 FiveTouch wrote: I might actually start weeping. I'm pushing him because I don't understand what he did. But the argument Vivax put in the thread is a good reason annul could be town, and I'm not gonna bullshit about it. Marv it is not and you know it. We both know mocsta is town now, we know axle is town. That means there were only 2 mafais on gonzaw, one of them being gonzaw himself. Mafia didn't choose to get him eleceted for whatever reason but they could have. That reasoning could be anything like "We don't want to pile up everyone on gonzaw d1 with little / poor reasoning". That being said I think we should lynch Annul because what was said in Annuls defense can be said about EVERYONE in this game, hence rendering it pointless. | ||
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On January 29 2013 14:00 mkfuba07 wrote: Alright, I decided that my "case" was more of a discussion piece. It's rolling around in my head, and I keep running into things that I want to check. Instead I'm just going to explain the overall idea and let people ponder it. So, my theory is that it was mafia's intention to get chez elected mayor D1. if you read this post: I feel that that is an interesting emphasis, given what we know now. Why such strong emphasis on masons? At this point, town austin knew nothing about any masons, because he's a vet. Scum, however, were aware of at least 4 masons at this point. Chez was either aligned with or in direct communication with them. In addition, he appears to have tried to set up some kind of mason communication network that I still don't fully understand. Feasible that they were working together? Austin later feels the need to insert himself into yamato and vivax's conversation/argument/whatever they had in order to tell us that chez should definitely be a candidate, even if he's not voting for him. He says that if you are convinced he's town, he is a top choice. But he is not convinced. Either way, it's a recurring theme in his filter. After it is pretty clear that chezinu isn't getting elected, he comments on gonzaw, saying at least once that he feels gonzaw would be a good candidate, but only if you believe he is town. But austin doesn't believe he's town, so he's not voting for him. He supports their elections, as long as he isn't the one to do it. These were two scum. There's a bit more, but I've gotta head out for a bit. I'll add more when I get back. again, mafia decide who gets what role. That could be said about anyone making it pointless. | ||
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On January 29 2013 18:51 annul wrote: toad, did you jail anyone last night? why should I | ||
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On January 29 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote: why? he only has three jails. if he used it last night, we know he has no jail left. Are you kidding me. Giving scum info=bad. Toad, how big of a mason cycle are you in? I never got masoned by anyone besides yamato yesterday. | ||
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On January 29 2013 19:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad, why double lynch? because there's 3 people I want dead as fast as possible: Annul, mkfuba, Axle. | ||
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On January 29 2013 21:01 FiveTouch wrote: Then we should absolutely be lynching Axle. His activity has dropped off a cliff. ##Vote: Axlegreaser what do you make off what I said about Vivax and your defense of Annul? Because even if axle is mafia, that still means mocsta was town, that still means mafia could have gotten Goznaw into office any time they wanted. So there was a reason for them to not do that like "we don't want to have all votes on gonzaw d1" or whatever it is, it doesn't matter. Mocsta completly nullifies the defense on Annul you and Vivax thought about because the same thing could be said about EVERYONE in the game. "why didn't chez vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!" "why didn't Bugs vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!" "why didn't Toad vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!" "why didn't Yamato vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!" clearly you have to agree that with that knowledge there is no point in mentioning it about Annul, now is there? | ||
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Now if we take all that into consideration and with the knowledge that he in fact isn't a medic he thinks about medics an awful lot for apparently no reason. He also tried to figure out the "medic plan" I did n1 and n2. Why would you do that unless you're a medic yourself? I REALLY thought the guy is just a bad townie who kept blabbering about his role and can't keep his mouth shut and ignored the fact that he's not contributing both because I was damn certain about him being a medic and because being focused about a role (medic) like that is something new guys do if they happen to have that role themselves... Bugs thought the same thing, I told marv about it and he INSTANTLY agreed and said it's so obvious now that I mentioned it in mason-chat, which is the reason he changed from axle being probably mafia to axle being probably town so suddenly. Now that we know he is no medic it looks an awful lot like someone trying to contribute something (talk about medics) when it doesn't do a thing for us. At all. On top of that he is really focused about who ends up being medic'ed / jailed and there's obvious mafia reason to think about that a lot. I don't see a lot of reasons for townies to think about that stuff unless you're involved yourself (aka: you are the medic). | ||
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Here's our pm's, read all of them starting with the one nested the most (it's not much): + Show Spoiler + Original Message From AxleGreaser: Yes I am a Townie, I have no powers i quoted the OP, where it says Townie. Townie You may just be a normal player but you are the backbone of the town. Your goal is to help bring the Mafia to justice. You get no special powers but the ability to vote during day. Blue Roles may look pretty but the real power lies with you! I don't know, but I consider the phrase Yes I am a Townie, I have no powers i quoted the OP, where it says Townie Really odd. Yeah I asked him again to be sure on this one but it feels like to much emphasize on quoting the OP. Why quoting the OP to begin with, why not your pm? Yeah I know... no quoting role-pm's and stuff but come on, when you roleclaim you copy & paste your role from your rolepm and not from the OP... unless it's different because in that case it really could be considered quoting the phrasing of your pm. But it really does sound like "see? I did not make a mistake! Totally says so in the OP!" to me. | ||
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On January 29 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck me, I really cant read Axle's posting, Toad mind quoting where you think axle is soft-claiming medic? The Pm you quoted I think is probably the nail though. basicly every single post he did? A little summary: D2, after Sandro died: + Show Spoiler + I thought i had worked out the vet strategy on protects via Bugs post... to stop them ovelapping by centering the Doc and the Sherrif protects on diff people. The one thing I knew and I thought scum knew was Sand was getting protected. Having said that do you think the doc if there is one might be more likely than random to take your advice. If so is putting the Sherrif just where the doc had been told to go was suboptimal Yeah? Toad seems to think you were the best protect but gave the stupidest advice to the thread Huh? Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all? I expect you did not. In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance? Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing. Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game. Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too. if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro? Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum. But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly. But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect. screw this... I don't feel like searching for more stuff, that's just 3 posts and his posts are so hard to read... some stuff I quoted in mason chat: + Show Spoiler [no idea from where] + and yeah by then i was so tunneled that Bugs had the plan and the rest was fluff suggestions that I thought I understood the game, then some how it didn't happen. Well it didn't happen because you said in the thread it would not happen. Well more precisely you said, you wouldn't say what you were doing and that Docs had to cover the whole field too. And yeah in bold by the guy with the role, said that so that trumps all. And yeah it does not matter that if with docs and jailers you are better off statistically splitting the puddles to get fewer protection collisions, the guy with the role said he would.... So Derp me read THIS post. It's what made me almost go "okay screw this, I'm not going to mason axle, there's no way he's not the medic" However axle said he's willing to lynch gonzaw before the red check when bugs asked him about. Have to reread that one to understand the situation. | ||
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On January 29 2013 21:29 Toadesstern wrote: Also if Axle isn't the medic his "medic-like"-posts sound a lot like mafia because he's thinking about medics so much. Remember:
Now if we take all that into consideration and with the knowledge that he in fact isn't a medic he thinks about medics an awful lot for apparently no reason. He also tried to figure out the "medic plan" I did n1 and n2. Why would you do that unless you're a medic yourself? I REALLY thought the guy is just a bad townie who kept blabbering about his role and can't keep his mouth shut and ignored the fact that he's not contributing both because I was damn certain about him being a medic and because being focused about a role (medic) like that is something new guys do if they happen to have that role themselves... Bugs thought the same thing, I told marv about it and he INSTANTLY agreed and said it's so obvious now that I mentioned it in mason-chat, which is the reason he changed from axle being probably mafia to axle being probably town so suddenly. Now that we know he is no medic it looks an awful lot like someone trying to contribute something (talk about medics) when it doesn't do a thing for us. At all. On top of that he is really focused about who ends up being medic'ed / jailed and there's obvious mafia reason to think about that a lot. I don't see a lot of reasons for townies to think about that stuff unless you're involved yourself (aka: you are the medic). On January 29 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: basicly every single post he did? A little summary: D2, after Sandro died: + Show Spoiler + I thought i had worked out the vet strategy on protects via Bugs post... to stop them ovelapping by centering the Doc and the Sherrif protects on diff people. The one thing I knew and I thought scum knew was Sand was getting protected. Having said that do you think the doc if there is one might be more likely than random to take your advice. If so is putting the Sherrif just where the doc had been told to go was suboptimal Yeah? Toad seems to think you were the best protect but gave the stupidest advice to the thread Huh? Sorry did you indicate what youd be doing at all? I expect you did not. In the absence of information how can doc try and dodge doubling up with you better than chance? Well if they do the one thing some suggested you should not that would be better than nothing. Absolutely, we should NOT discuss who we are protecting tonight Last night that didn't work out at all well. However Bugs DID Then Toad Conveniently did what was maximally bad and most likely to result in Sherrif and a Doc if there is one protecting the same person. If you consider Bugs important enough to protect because he is good at this game. Then wouldn't some doc somewhere think so too. if the docs going to protect someone why would the Doc do the opposite to you and protect Sandro? Yes you should not telegraph your moves to scum. But putting your Sherrif's jail keep in the one place most likely a Doc will as well is silly. But you can divide the protect-able pile in two a bit and try not to screw up by protecting the most likely person the doc if there is one would protect. screw this... I don't feel like searching for more stuff, that's just 3 posts and his posts are so hard to read... some stuff I quoted in mason chat: + Show Spoiler [no idea from where] + and yeah by then i was so tunneled that Bugs had the plan and the rest was fluff suggestions that I thought I understood the game, then some how it didn't happen. Well it didn't happen because you said in the thread it would not happen. Well more precisely you said, you wouldn't say what you were doing and that Docs had to cover the whole field too. And yeah in bold by the guy with the role, said that so that trumps all. And yeah it does not matter that if with docs and jailers you are better off statistically splitting the puddles to get fewer protection collisions, the guy with the role said he would.... So Derp me read THIS post. It's what made me almost go "okay screw this, I'm not going to mason axle, there's no way he's not the medic" However axle said he's willing to lynch gonzaw before the red check when bugs asked him about. Have to reread that one to understand the situation. | ||
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I guess all three out of: Annul, axle and mkfuba make good lynches for today. I would have actually thought mafia would just give up when we lynched BKE and chez and then BKE suddenly flipped town, meaning something had to be wrong in our calculasions about one guy. Axle being labled as 99% percent certain townie by all three of us (bugs, Marv, Toad) might be the reason they still thought they're in this. It also fits the bill on the fact that we had to be wrong on one specific guy that has no connections to someone else because axle supposedly being a medic was the only reason he never got lynched. TL;DR: Probably axle > annul > mkfuba? | ||
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On January 29 2013 23:28 annul wrote: do you have an inability to read or something? for the FOURTH time, point being: That's a bad thing unless you are pretty damn certain you'll die as well and that we have a about equally good lynch lying around. | ||
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On January 30 2013 01:28 FiveTouch wrote: Still not reading the thread? Mocsta is dead. that could be a mafiaploy! Don't make it a townread on stutters please :p | ||
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I mean for all I care you can still call me stupid every now and then but I'll do the "stop hitting yourself" and link to this game / to this post :3 | ||
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On January 30 2013 01:56 Vivax wrote: Toad, did you look into Axle's willingness to vote gonzaw before the check? What are your results? no I haven't His posts are so hard to read and I don't want to although I realy should... | ||
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I however got mad when Vivax + Annul asked me to claim the medic + DT in the thread (which still was retarded by the way) and kept talking about it longer than I should have. Bugs died although I asked medics to protect him. I think if mafia looked at what I posted it should have been obvious that Axle was one of the blues I'm talking about because both bugs and I miraculously (to the rest of the thread) had him down as 99% certain townie. It really shouldn't have been hard to figure out who I was talking about for mafia. They probably didn't shoot bugs because they thought him to be the DT but they could have just gone for Axle + someone else. They didn't. Now go ask yourself why Axle is still alive with me talking about blues so blatantly and telling people how axle is 99% confirmed town. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:36 annul wrote: i am not guilty. stop attempting to frame me in such a way. there is only one hole in my argument in getting the lynch off of chez and that is the assumption of BKE being red. the implication of "LOL SEE BKE WAS NOT RED THEREFORE YOUR CHEZ PLAN SUCKED LOL YOU'RE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!" had to be countered, and the way i did it was as you saw. the point is that even if BKE is red your plan would have been anti-town. If you're telling the truth you are town. If you are town telling the truth about having bomb on BKE you're not getting shot by mafia, especially not while everyone is screaming for your head. So unless you think you're mafia and you're scared to be shot by some random vig / joat who has kept his shot until now there's NO WAY for your plan to work. | ||
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On January 30 2013 03:12 FiveTouch wrote: grush is a mason with starsenses, and debears you checked green. Mocsta also flipped green. It's logical to lynch a gonzaw voter, apart from anything else. Also Toad didn't ask him if he was medic, he just asked him to claim his role. Toad and I discussed this and made sure Toad didn't "lead" Axle on for this reason. not to mention that everyone thinks Axle is mafia for a reason... just take a look at his filter. We're not lynching him for looking like a medic. If that would be the case and he really did that on purpose he would have claimed medic to me (as both mafia and town because as mafia he want's to keep the play and as town he has to make sure noone knows it's a play). We wanted to lynch him all along but didn't do so because we thought he's a medic for a damn good reason. Now that we cleared that one out there's no reason not to lynch him right now. I agree Annul would be a good lynch as well but I think Axle's the better one for today. And Annul +mkfuba for tomorrow. | ||
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On January 30 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote: Toad, how can you tell to take a look at his filter when you announced you would check his willingness to lynch gonzaw but then end up not doing so cause you have trouble reading his filter and don't want to read it? because I already did it once or twice and I'm not going to do it again. Noone can force me to do THAT | ||
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On January 30 2013 19:34 AxleGreaser wrote: Which might explain why I didn't vote for double Lynch. I don't like your attitude right now As in: I think you're mafia | ||
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On January 30 2013 21:59 FiveTouch wrote: Toad, could you explain this one to me a bit? we want mafia to shoot our bodyguards. Leaving the doublelynch for now gives mafia just one more reason to shoot into the bodyguards. Also Vivax is looking worse and worse for suggesting that we should lynch you for safety. As long as we get a single mafia lynch in the next 6 or so cycles we win as long as the two of us are alive. Mafia knows they can't win by ignoring us and have to deal with us either way. 1 guy left, Marv left, Toad left in lylo is gg :p | ||
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On January 30 2013 22:26 FiveTouch wrote: I think I'm being stupid. Why does a double-lynch remove motive for mafia shooting into bodyguards? Because there's peopel being paranoid about you, just look at vivax. We only have 2 double-lynches and already used one. They might hope that someone is going to lynch you and deal with you that way. And frankly speaking I think some people here might be stupid enough to fall for that. | ||
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On January 30 2013 22:30 FiveTouch wrote: I still don't understand at all what that means for double lynch. Mafia hope I might get lynched so we don't use the double lynch? What's the connection I'm missing? with you being dead we can't use the doublelynch anymore, can't we? Give them a straw they can hold on to, just to crush them afterwards :3 I mean whatever, doesn't make that much of a difference. Don't think mafia will just ignore us anyways. | ||
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Massive derpmoment. Screw everything I said. | ||
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Really don't see any ups or downs to be honest. | ||
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Suck it noobses. Btw Yamato, I asked BC and he said I can't | ||
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With 2 GF's and no RB we "know" a couple of things: 1) There's no medic. RB is a defensive role against everything. It's decent vs vigs, dt's, medics and all that stuff. We don't have a RB => it's highly likely there are no role like that except for DTs or else mafia would have had to have a RB. 2) 2 DT's make an awful lot of sense with a 2nd GF. GF is only defensive against DT's and utterly useless against vigs / medics on towns side 3) With 2 GF's it's somewhat unlikely they have a framer on top of that. With the framer being unable to frame the same guy twice the GF is also WAY better against DT's than a framer, so that makes sense as well. We're probably looking for a naked goon now. We're probably looking for a low profile guy if it's a goon. If you think it's a framer we're more likely supposed to look into someone decent. Don't try to confirm townies with your DT check. Find mafia and don't screw up. | ||
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On January 31 2013 21:55 FiveTouch wrote: Hurray! Your lack of faith is disturbing. annul, answer Stutters' question already. Toad, I thought it might be a good idea to get everyone else to tell town who/why they want to lynch before we do. It can't hurt and it might give us extra information. I'm going to tell the thread who the last mafia is 2 hours prior to deadline. I'm also going to jail him for maximum success. So make everyone spill out their reads if you want to, I'm not going to stay up until 2am. | ||
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Unless of course... someone being a mason who still hasn't masoned Marv? I might consider masoning you to proxy mason Marv that way. | ||
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BC's nightpost That's hilarious No one is really sure how this lynch happened. Someone yelled out "hes scum" and the gallows were put to use. Might want to consider speeding days up a little BC? Like make it 24hours / 24 hours instead of 48/24 | ||
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Expect an explanation in 8 hours from now. | ||
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On February 01 2013 00:00 Toadesstern wrote: Nah, but can't tell you more than that. Or else you just go down the list. The last one is really easy to figure out if you reread some filters. Expect an explanation in 8 hours from now. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:20 yamato77 wrote: Why would this mafia team not want to mason people? So they don't get caught in the mason circles. Isn't that pretty much the same thing grush has done? the reasoning is: so noone knows the real number of masons and town started lynching masons because surely one of them has to be mafia. They tried to hide their masons for that sake, | ||
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But I can't post it right now, to many idiots running around. | ||
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On February 01 2013 05:32 grush57 wrote: Also Toad you're telling us right before night deadline correct? nah already in 2 and a half hour. Am tired | ||
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On February 01 2013 05:41 grush57 wrote: or scum mindgames us and doesn't shoot. you have a problem with that? We have 2 lynches tomorrow and I'm almost a 100% certain on this one. There's no way mafia is going to do that. Actually I'm going to tell you to policy lynch Vivax as secondary lynch to teach him a lesson for good :p | ||
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On February 01 2013 06:25 grush57 wrote: Vivax dt yamato. wat | ||
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Annul is the last mafia and I'm 100% certain on him. Is there anyone even considering him to be town while everyone else in the game is confirmed town about now? Just take a look at his filter: Called Vivax smart d1 (LOL) while calling sandroba, bugs, marv and me idiots, he tried to make sure we don't lynch Chez, he was against Marv being mayor, he was against me being Sheriff, he almost ragequitted because of bugs, he still hasn't explained a thing about anything he has done including his plan so we don't have to lynch Chez and so on and so on, don't think I have to explain more, do I? Another point is that, as already mentioned pretty much every one is confirmed town around now including people like debears, grush, stutters and so on. Stupid people like mkfuba and Vivax were harder to figure out (it could have been possible Vivax just faked his DT to get towncred for bussing gonzaw, he never explained why he checked bugs after all, nor why he checked Gonzaw to begin with and tried to say EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG is mafia for everytime someone disagreed with him) but there's really no way those guys are mafia anymore with these flips. Townie Annul however is something that isn't possible anymore with everything that has happened. I'm saying there is literally no way for Annul to flip town. Trying to argue this one around now would be really bad so I suggest you all shut up and Marv and I will enforce a "lynch all idiots who keep talking about this before the daypost is in"-policy-lynch-system. To add to the case just look at the voters d1 and take an educated guess about what happened. Make yourself reread annuls filter in these 2 hours and take a look at what happened d1 and there's no way you'll come to a different conclusion than I came to. Mafia probably tried to get gonzaw into office if you look at the vote-distribution except that Annul ended up saying something like. "Not gonna happen, we can't just all pool our votes on gonzaw and hope noone notices, we need to split at least SOMEWHAT, Toad's an idiot and I don't mind him being sheriff". Shoot, that was longer than I expeceted and obviously prepared ahead of time, see you in two hours and again don't discuss this because I am going to jail Annul no matter what. | ||
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Guess what? Annul is the last mafia and I'm 100% certain on him. Is there anyone even considering him to be town while everyone else in the game is confirmed town about now? Just take a look at his filter: Called Vivax smart d1 (LOL) while calling sandroba, bugs, marv and me idiots, he tried to make sure we don't lynch Chez, he was against Marv being mayor, he was against me being Sheriff, he almost ragequitted because of bugs, he still hasn't explained a thing about anything he has done including his plan so we don't have to lynch Chez and so on and so on, don't think I have to explain more, do I? Another point is that, as already mentioned pretty much every one is confirmed town around now including people like debears, grush, stutters and so on. Stupid people like mkfuba and Vivax were harder to figure out (it could have been possible Vivax just faked his DT to get towncred for bussing gonzaw, he never explained why he checked bugs after all, nor why he checked Gonzaw to begin with and tried to say EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG is mafia for everytime someone disagreed with him) but there's really no way those guys are mafia anymore with these flips. Townie Annul however is something that isn't possible anymore with everything that has happened. I'm saying there is literally no way for Annul to flip town. Trying to argue this one around now would be really bad so I suggest you all shut up and Marv and I will enforce a "lynch all idiots who keep talking about this before the daypost is in"-policy-lynch-system. To add to the case just look at the voters d1 and take an educated guess about what happened. Make yourself reread annuls filter in these 2 hours and take a look at what happened d1 and there's no way you'll come to a different conclusion than I came to. Mafia probably tried to get gonzaw into office if you look at the vote-distribution except that Annul ended up saying something like. "Not gonna happen, we can't just all pool our votes on gonzaw and hope noone notices, we need to split at least SOMEWHAT, Toad's an idiot and I don't mind him being sheriff". Shoot, that was longer than I expeceted and obviously prepared ahead of time, see you in two hours and again don't discuss this because I am going to jail Annul no matter what. | ||
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On February 01 2013 10:25 annul wrote: (also in b4 toad wakes up tomorrow and says "WAIT JUST KIDDING I DIDN'T JAIL ANNUL") This is what happens if you color every word that came after a full stop red, just saying: Guess what? Annul is the last mafia and I'm 100% certain on him. Is there anyone even considering him to be town while everyone else in the game is confirmed town about now? Just take a look at his filter: Called Vivax smart d1 (LOL) while calling sandroba, bugs, marv and me idiots, he tried to make sure we don't lynch Chez, he was against Marv being mayor, he was against me being Sheriff, he almost ragequitted because of bugs, he still hasn't explained a thing about anything he has done including his plan so we don't have to lynch Chez and so on and so on, don't think I have to explain more, do I? Another point is that, as already mentioned pretty much every one is confirmed town around now including people like debears, grush, stutters and so on. Stupid people like mkfuba and Vivax were harder to figure out (it could have been possible Vivax just faked his DT to get towncred for bussing gonzaw, he never explained why he checked bugs after all, nor why he checked Gonzaw to begin with and tried to say EVERYONE AND THEIR DOG is mafia for everytime someone disagreed with him) but there's really no way those guys are mafia anymore with these flips. Townie Annul however is something that isn't possible anymore with everything that has happened. I'm saying there is literally no way for Annul to flip town. Trying to argue this one around now would be really bad so I suggest you all shut up and Marv and I will enforce a "lynch all idiots who keep talking about this before the daypost is in"-policy-lynch-system. To add to the case just look at the voters d1 and take an educated guess about what happened. Make yourself reread annuls filter in these 2 hours and take a look at what happened d1 and there's no way you'll come to a different conclusion than I came to. Mafia probably tried to get gonzaw into office if you look at the vote-distribution except that Annul ended up saying something like. "Not gonna happen, we can't just all pool our votes on gonzaw and hope noone notices, we need to split at least SOMEWHAT, Toad's an idiot and I don't mind him being sheriff". Shoot, that was longer than I expeceted and obviously prepared ahead of time, see you in two hours and again don't discuss this because I am going to jail Annul no matter what. sry for being an ass yesterday but there was no harm in trying imo :p | ||
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Not so sure what to make of some people. Both vivax and oats look way worse with that flip. But yeah as long as we can manage to get you and me into lylo we're fine :p | ||
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On February 01 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote: EBWOP: for example, even if Vivax is mafia. If he is, he'll be left alive, and he'll have to keep giving us checks. We lynch him at LYLO-1, if he's mafia we win, if he's not mafia all his checks are confirmed and we win. So it makes no difference at all. yeah that's kind of what I meant because while it's still really likely he's town I wouldn't leave him alive if he happens to make it into lylo or lylo-1. | ||
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Howver, he's still a bodyguard and I'd say we don't need to make it easier for mafia in case he's town. So I'd be all up for adam + mkfuba. Also I know Annul is someone who doesn't mind to all-in as mafia, so I'd say he would have voted gonzaw for his team if he was mafia. @FT: Stutters is more confirmed town than some of the people on your confirmed list. He voted me d1 when mafia pooled 3 guys on gonzaw just to come 1 vote short of making him sheriff.... There's no way that guy is mafia. | ||
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Anyways, voted for adam + mkfuba and I think you should do so too On February 01 2013 22:40 Toadesstern wrote: Annul would be my #3 to lynch. Oats technically speaking my 2nd (which makes mkfuba #3 and annul #4) but again, don't want to lynch him today. | ||
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On February 01 2013 22:53 Adam4167 wrote: At the time when I joined the game, you guys were saying he was <1% mafia. My point was, if I was his teammate, why would I shit that up when hes clearly drawing absolutely zero attention? You hadn't figured out that he wasn't the medic yet, so why would I go directing heat onto him there? I have literally no idea who I want to lynch today - But if I don't see tomorrow, make Vivax role check someone who HASN'T already bloody roleclaimed, I still don't trust him. that post actually does make some sense. As adam said, he had no knowledge of our thoughts about axle. Still I don't think telling us you think he's mafia when he's a townish (at that point in time) looking guy is that bad of a play. Either makes you look good or him look better while it's not going to have influence on what's going to happen at all. Anyways, we have 3 mafias pooled on gonzaw and I said I think clarity is town but there's no way we don't lynch you given the situation. The only downside is chez last minute vote which makes no sense with the knowledge that clarity was afk... | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:16 FiveTouch wrote: If there is a 3rd godfather I'm never playing in a BC game again well I'd say a 3rd godfather is more likely than stutters and grush being mafia to be honest | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:16 austinmcc wrote: There's a check on me and even if the remaining mafia is a framer he can't frame himself. So either I'm town or I'm scum and Vivax is just lying that he checked me last night. Also, in this scenario, Vivax has to be town. So he's a townie just lying about his check for no reason. That is what you are saying. Don't make it sound like that never happened before. May I remind you of BC's Arkham City in which someone fakeclaimed DT as a townie and then fakeclaimed a redcheck on a modconfirmed (literally (!) modconfirmed) blue guy d2? Schworz, never forget Anyways I'm off for a while, see you | ||
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On February 01 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: What if debears is actually the third godfather and crumbed it in early game to make fun of us? noone besides me actually does that as mafia | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Circumstances like having your scum buddies lynched almost perfectly? exactly what I thought lol | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:10 annul wrote: also, i would really like to lynch toad. and in fact i am going to do so. people have just given him an absolute pass due to his sheriff position. he has made some anti-town decisions and some very strange plays all game such that i would not be surprised if he got into power as a red. i also will vote adam because of day 1 shenanigans re: election votes etc. one of these two are red. name one and I will ignore that I have been: telling people to lynch into either oats / prplhz d1 telling people to lynch into chez / BKE d2, changing to gonzaw once the red flip came in telling people to lynch into chez / BKE d3 was the guy to tell everyone to lynch axle d4. if you're able to do that I'll just lynch you without being mean. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:39 FiveTouch wrote: *coughs loudly* well look at the logs between yamato and me :p I even called the lynch before the day started, while still being certain that everyone that isn't "confirmed town" needs to be lynched. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:44 Toadesstern wrote: well look at the logs between yamato and me :p I even called the lynch before the day started, while still being certain that everyone that isn't "confirmed town" needs to be lynched. but yeah, shouldn't have said "told everyone in the thread to lynch him" I guess | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:39 Vivax wrote: Yeah Toad you're a giant baller. Weib und Ruhm for you. Everyone in this thread wants to meet you now to get your signature on their pet Toads. all I'm saying is that to think I am not confirmed town you need to be a guy who replaced in 10 seconds ago and hasn't read a single post so far. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:50 austinmcc wrote: I held it in this long! I've only been internally paranoid, and i DON'T want to lynch into you guys yet. You've got to admit that you're not afraid to bus teammates. You've got to admit that an elected position provides cover from the policy lynches you've been receiving - mafia would have had to expend a lot more than normal to kill you early. You have ridden town cred to scum victory before, being right in your reads. which is why I said I'd rather leave oats alive for a couple of days but since I said it it's rendered useless, as mafia could just as well wait a couple of days now... It's really odd that they're leaving vivax and bodyguards alive though. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:53 FiveTouch wrote: Yes, but it's retarded. Just look at my play. The same argument I made for Toad being town could have been made for me, by the way. As Axle's team-mate obviously I tell him to claim medic... By the way, Given 3/5 of the mafia were on gonzaw, looks like they were trying pretty hard to get gonzaw into a position. not to mention it's actually 3/4 and not 3/5 because clearly they could not have used prplhz as a legit vote with him flipping d1. | ||
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I'm willing to let go of Adam for 1 or 2 days although I don't give a crap about anything meta a player is able to figure out himself because if they're aware of it they can just not do it as mafia... | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:01 FiveTouch wrote: There's being able to figure it out, and there's being able to do something about it. If you look at all Adam's games, he's reserved, lurky (more so than here), and detached. Even when you 'figure this out', it's very hard to fake not being all these things, because they're emotional, attitude things. Most people aren't like you and me (or gonzaw, bugs) where we're very good at being able to fake town emotions for quite a long time. that seems so weird. Why would you not be able to do that... I'd say it's rather because people just aren't able to figure out their own different styles in the first place but whatever, trusting you on this one. Annul + fuba, or Annul + oats, or fuba + oat? With me hinting at I want to keep oats around for 1 or 2 more days to see if mafia shoots him there's clearly no reason to do that anymore because mafia knows about that as well as I was forced to explain my reasoning, so wouldn't mind lynching into oats as much as I was 2 or 3 hours ago... Still not sure what to make of Vivax and I'm not only talking about the possibility of him being mafia. He got us a red check on d1 when a lot of people mentioned gonzaw being a good target for the d2 lynch way before he mentioned it. It might have been a bus after all, especially considering his choice of targets afterwards... bugs, debears, austin, all 3 people who conveniently either died before his check got in or already claimed. It's the perfect oder to "check" people as mafia fakeclaimer. He could have EASILY proven to be a town DT by checking someone who hasn't claimed yet but didn't do so. If he's not mafia himself it is REALLY weird that he's still around. Why would mafia leave him alive? I just don't see them shooting people like Yamato instead of Vivax unless it's really a 3GF-setup, which would be bullshit. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: Toad, don't be ridiculous. I tried to figure out opinions about gonzaw before I claimed, and you, Bugs and FT all were opposed to lynching him. Bugs didn't get it after I asked him to look at gonzaw, and he voted Oats after saying the whole time that he is town. One of the reasons I checked him btw. Being sure that yamato was scum thinking I'm DT and preparing to write a bus post, I claimed while you, Bugs and FT decided to lynch Oats already. oh sry my bad, I didn't post the logs between bugs and me yet, did I? In fact I was around at the deadline (2am my time) when the kills came in and both bugs and I instantly said that we should reconsider gonzaw and consider him a lynch the second we saw the night hits. I mean, you even mentioned that my opinion on gonzaw changed so drastically when you thought I'm mafia d2 because I thought gonzaw to be town d1 and mafia on d2. But yeah, guess it's understandable without the logs being posted. When did bugs or I say gonzaw is town post-d2? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote: Who even cares if it's Vivax? It's impossible for him to win if it is. So we leave Oats alive today, then they kill Vivax? Then what do we do? Or we leave Oats alive today, and they kill debears? Then what? it would give us some information about why they keep him alive. It could be he's mafia or it could be some of our "confirmed" townies isn't confirmed because it's a 3GF scenario. I agree we shouldn't lynch him today though. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:27 Vivax wrote: Well he said something along the lines: "I will contact that DT after he got his check off this night" I lied because you almost made me claim bugs / axle (who I thought to be medic at that time) and didn't want you to know bugs is the DT? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote: Also Stutters is very likely not-mafia, because if he's mafia he just signed up for a plan that would end up killing him. duh, told you I'd rather lynch into one of the green checks than lynch into stutters right now. | ||
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On February 02 2013 03:10 mkfuba07 wrote: The remaining scum isn't afraid of a DT. They found a mason who was tunneling austin to be a more important NK. What does that mean to you? they might want us to think they're not afraid of the DT because they know they can't win any other way? Or the DT is mafia himself. | ||
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As in: They didn't get a number like "4" and were told they can choose what the roles are on top of that, correct? Probably best to quote the right one and say something along the lines of "yeah, that one" :p | ||
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On February 02 2013 06:10 austinmcc wrote: I will not, however, argue that I have played a VERY unfortunate game of mafia up until this point. I don't like posts like that. Makes it look like you're going to change, which won't happen | ||
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And that says something if even he was wrong on him. | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Fuck all of you who resisted those lynches. Major props to marv for basically railroading scum despite everyone (myself included) pulling him away from the correct lynches. nah. Sandro and I wanted oats dead d1 instead of prplhz. You and me wanted BKE and Chez dead d2 instead of oats, We all wanted the same guys dead just in a different order :p And it turned out all of them were mafia. | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:42 FiveTouch wrote: don't even start. you all tried to talk me out of lynching oats on day 2 :o wp toad, wp bugs, wp town, apart from the kicking and screaming :D well yeah, because he was a bodyguard. Still thought he's mafia. No reason to lynch oats before Chez / BKE on d2 I felt SO bad for trying to push the oats lynch instead of the prplhz lynch d1 though and sandro as well. | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote: actually if I was mafia fake claiming DT I would have done what he did. Claim a check on the guy dead n2, then just annoy the shit out of everyone lololol that n2 check made so little sense it actually made sense to Vivax. That's how it works I guess exactly, lol | ||
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On February 02 2013 08:16 Vivax wrote: When I roll scum the next game I want to play exactly like this. Everyone wants to lynch you but no one dares. I was so close to calling a policy lynch on you today for the lulz because the game was won anyways. | ||
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I won't tell you who it was to not embarass him but I guess it was for the same reason he assumed someone "weird" had to be mafia :p Also on a more game related note: It was interessting to see how this game unfolded with such high presence of Marv / bugs / myself in this game. We all did well and stomped mafia this game but it was really hard for other people to contribute anything due to out overwhelming presence. Let's be honest, after d2 everyone stopped reading and everything bugs / Marv / myself did was based on stuff we already knew. Nothing but looking back at how people voted and so on, and it was enough to win the game that way. There really was no analysis on anyone past d2 and like I said multiple times, it came down to process of elimination like when I told Adam that I have to lynch him together with people like oats / Annul. However, had we not stomped so badly and done a mistake anywhere in the process this really could have ended badly because there was so little to go by with us 3 dominating the town atmosphere so much. | ||
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Things learned this game: Don't listen to town Sandroba | ||
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On February 02 2013 21:49 Acrofales wrote: @Gonzaw: well, part of the problem was that your whole plan went south and you *should* have spent a lot more effort on bussing Oats D3. As it was, your strategy was bad for the following reasons: 1. When a strong town leader was elected, you made him unkillable by electing the one scum who survived longest, making the town leader essentially unkillable until lylo. This caused you unending problems when town happily went along lynching scum under the illustrious leader. 2. You didn't take out the DT when he was confirming greens left right and center. Given that Axle was scum it should have been quite clear on D2 that there was probably no medic, and crystal clear on D3. Yet Vivax lived on. 3. You didn't deal with the strong townies and instead wiped out weak ones. Now there's a billion posts in the scumQT, so I didn't read it and assume you had some reason for hitting JieXian, but he was a potential mislynch with quite a few people wanting him dead, whereas austin had almost been elected sheriff. Why not kill him? JX wasn't a potential mislynch... I know for a fact that Sandro and I both had him down as town once the d1 lynched showed up as red and I'm pretty sure marv / WBG were smart enough to figure it out themselves as well. The JX hit was weird, but not bad as he was pretty certainly town at that point in time. The n1 hits were just atrocious though. If they singlestack sandro might as well singlestack bugs to make sure to get at least one in worst case scenario. | ||
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On February 03 2013 02:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Why don't you guys read the post I made in the previous page about the N1 night kills? 1)The point was to make him killable by having 1 scum BG that would have died pretty soon. Me dying before Oats was not the plan at all. It was the reverse. Also, I imagine people would WIFOM themselves into thinking I'm confirmed town or some shit if Oats flipped scum 2)Yeah this is right. Talk to my other buddies about it I didn't know who the fuck the DT was on N1 or if there even was one 3) Check previous page. So you suggest austin should have been N1 kill? Yeah perhaps. However Toad clearly said austin and me should have protection, he was JK. I KNEW he'd JK sandro/wbg/me/austin, we were already taking a huge risk in shooting sandro. I wouldn't take a second huge risk in shooting another guy in his list, AND in the medic lists (we didn't know there was no medic at that time of course) i never considered you / austin, I just told you that they might need protection as well, which again should mean I'm going to protect either bugs or Sandro. It was a 50/50 between jailing Sandro, for me personally leading on Sandro but he asked me to protect bugs instead multiple times, so that's why But you could not have known that I guess. | ||
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On February 03 2013 09:17 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Right, because I, as scum, should obviously assume that you are telling the truth about protections at night in the thread and in no way possible you could maybe try to outsmart scum with it. My bad /G we tried. That's why the protection was on WBG and not on Sandro | ||
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