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On January 22 2013 15:10 DearestSnot wrote:
don't forget, there are double lynches this game.
We can vote for a double lynch tomorrow, and I think we should. On day 3 a double lynch will be really really helpful, seeing as it's probably the only time we'll have enough useful people who are still alive to organize a proper lynch effort to make it worthwhile, and at the same time we will probably be needing extra KP to get rid of people who aren't doing anything.
If we choose not to enact double lynch tomorrow then it will encourage further lurking on the part of mafia.
I also agree with this, for extra reasons.
While the town mayor is still alive, it is in our best interest to abuse his extra voting power to the maximum, and the early application of the double lynch, and thus double of his votes, allows us to do that.
Plus, it makes mafia players take more stances in one day than they normally would, which gives us more information, which is always better to have earlier, rather than later.
Doublevote tomorrow, it's the pro-town thing to do.
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Who are those people, Toad?
Aside from my bias against Vivax, which I am trying to reconcile, my red reads are as follows:
Annul
Djo
Clarity
Oats
For reasons I and other have mentioned about their play.
Do you agree or disagree with these targets for tomorrow?
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Yeah idk about Vivax at all. I can't find meaningful differences between his town and scum games, lol.
Fuck it, you guys better not be wrong about him.
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On January 22 2013 15:46 debears wrote:
All you people can't you see, can't you see
How your love's affecting our reality
Every time we're down
You can make it right
And that makes you larger than life
Debears.
Provide substance.
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I can believe town Oats might think Gonzaw is scum from the stuff he quoted.
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I would appreciate your consolidated, honest read on Vivax. I need another perspective on him at the moment.
I know you said he was probably town for how he reacted to me, and the fact that he appeared to care about the game, but is that all of the town tells you find in his filter?
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EBWOP: That post was @ Dearest.
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Yeah Vivax being mafia doesn't really make any sense unless I think Toad is mafia, so for now I'll take my tinfoil hat off and just agree with you vets because your reads so far are pretty good.
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BKE what's your read on Oats master?
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So, I've been sitting on this idea of mine, and having seen what people think of grush and his likely alignment, I would like to give town some information that I have, which I believe most people do not.
Grush is a mason. Town or Mafia, I don't know, but he masoned me day 1. Right now, I am inclined to believe this was a mafia mason, however, because of how it went down.
Original Message From grush57: Show nested quote +Original Message From yamato77:
You masoned me and have yet to PM me.
What are your reads so far for the game? Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something. I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you. I think gonzaw is townie, good posts. I don't like vivax. Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot.
Those are the only two PMs that we have had between us since the start of the game. He never PMd me before that, nor after, despite having the mason channel at his disposal. What makes me think this is mafia mason more so than town is the fact that he wasn't trying to get a better read on me, he wasn't trying to plan anything with me, and he offered up a bare minimum of reads that look exactly like what I was posting at the time.
Now, I doubt this because it goes in line with what grush was doing in the thread, which was basically nothing. I don't know if I can reasonably expect a town grush to use the mason channel to his advantage when he is barely even playing the game to begin with. Also I don't know why a mafia team would give mason powers to Grush, someone who probably wouldn't use it, and I have a hard time thinking of a good reason a mafia Grush picked me to mason with over a "safer" pick like Mocsta, or even Axle.
I post this with the full knowledge that I am potentially outing a town mason, but I have no idea what to make of this situation, and perhaps town can make more sense of it. If mafia decides to shoot him because he's a mason, then at least we know his alignment for sure, and they used KP on a lurker instead of a more active townie. Grush's future mason choices knowing he is a mason ahead of time will not detract from its potential effectiveness if he is town, and if he is scum it's an advantage to the townies he masons with to be able to read him better from this little but if extra information.
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I see less possibility in Annul being town than I do in JX being town, much for the same reason Djo expressed, that JX is lynchbait as town.
I would prefer if we lynched Annul tomorrow.
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On January 22 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 22:38 AxleGreaser wrote:EBWOP On January 22 2013 22:12 FiveTouch wrote:
Given I'm pretty much guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place.
On the basis of Lynching Scum D1 I take it? I know its uber ballsy as a scum Bus for Mayor to Lynch a team mate but..., but doesn't the 3 vote situation kind of level that? Are there any conditions under which you would no longer be "guaranteed to be town, these are both really out of place." Just asking for your reasoning and any limits you have on your new status. There really is no reason for a mafia mayor to lynch one of his team-mates on Day 1. An often neglected aspect of mafia lynches on Day 1 especially is that it gives a large amount of information on a lot of players in the game. There's far more to be gleaned from a mafia flip than a town flip, so the lynch isn't just about me, it's about all the players. I pushed my candidates in an open and transparent way, and perhaps even more importantly I managed to close the chasm that was threatening to open between the more experienced and the newer players. I'll continue to play in the same vein, and people can continue to judge me on my play, but there is no reason to think I could be mafia. A question for you Axle - given you were so against electing a smurf on the basis of readability, how does this line up with your decision to support Chezinu, another player notoriously difficult to read?
Just as an added bonus to anyone still with doubts about FT, I have arrived at the same conclusion that he wants you to arrive to in this post for the same reasons he gives. If you think I am town, you should trust FT/Palmar/GMarshal/Syllo/Foolishness, even despite the fact that he is smurf. His play suggests nothing but veteran town leader.
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The question is, why do you think Chez might be scum?
I don't.
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On January 23 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, why did you feel the need to answer that question?
To express my general disinterest for muddying the waters talking about a nearly unreadable player who was on the right side of the lynch, albeit for his own strangely accurate reason.
Unless you think that something he has done suggests that he is mafia, there's little reason to question him over the other people that Toad and I listed.
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Honestly, why do you keep questioning me like the things I'm doing are worth questioning?
If you're thinking about the possibility of me being mafia you're just grasping at straws.
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On January 23 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Was it aimed at you? I dont think so.
Was it even aimed at learning more about Chez? I dont think so.
What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment?
Why do you seem to be suggesting that I am defending Djodref when I think he is quite possibly mafia?
Please think before you post.
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Djodref what do you think about Oats?
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On January 23 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am this close to screaming my head off yamato, thank you.
Gonna ignore what you said until it makes sense.
I'm just trying to ascertain what it is you're attempting to do.
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On January 23 2013 04:11 sandroba wrote:
@grush I'm waiting on some explanation on that mason deal. Please enlighten me of your thought process when using that role.
I'm glad someone took notice of it.
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Austin, I already outed Grush as mason.
Are people reading my filter?
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