TL Mafia LIX - Page 4

On January 21 2013 13:16 Toadesstern wrote:


the point is that you keep on posting "guy is annoying / disagrees with me therefore he has to be mafia" and people have repeatetly told you so. In every single game, every single read I have ever seen from you and you're doing it again. That's not a mafiatreat. I have yet to see a single reason for lynching anyone you porposed as "mafia" because nothing you mentioned comes even close to being something a mafia is likely to do instead of a townie.

You know, like stuff that was mentioned about oats, the fact that he felt like defending someone out of nowhere for no reason, which, as you might have realized as well is something that everyone out of WBG / Sandro / Five / myself has mentioned as something incredibly scummy, except for Annul.

Yet you're sitting here telling me Annul is your savior while Sandro / WBG / Five / myself (+Vivax because everyone but you thinks he's town?!?) are all mafia scheming some ridiculious 4 man mafia plan.

On January 21 2013 13:31 Djodref wrote:


@ Yamato

Why the scum read on me ?

On January 21 2013 13:25 Mocsta wrote:
yamato.. i have to agree with toad on this one (unfortunately)

that listing was stupid, and contains all the active vets.

your trying to canabilize active players for whatever fallacies you choose.


I am suspicious of Toads motives currently; but there are also a bunch of people who have posted SWEET FUCK ALL in over 24hrs.. How convenient that we are canibalizing....


As for oats being scum.. I said I would read his filter. When I get home from work, I will do so.
Djo's points on oats, on first glance read well... but will make up my mind after filter check.

On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:

Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?

Mafias think about what they're posting and while it might happen that they slip it is an incredibly far fetched assumption to believe team mafia would send out someone like vivax, who is a very new player, who isn't particularry known for being good as mafia + Show Spoiler [anecdote] + to stay in the open, getting heat from everyone and do all that on purpose?

You've got to be kidding me if you think those are mafiatreats.

On January 21 2013 13:51 gonzaw wrote:
Yamato, the chances of Vivax being scum are kind of low I think. He's had a LOT of posts, even more than when he was town in games like Can't Believe and the like. Also seems too confident to be scum.
At worst let him be for a few days, if he's scum he'll surely "break" and go lurking or something.

Don't really know what to think of debears/grush; they are not making much sense and are kind of "trolling" with their votes and some of their reads, but that's too null to blindly lynch on D1.

On January 21 2013 13:50 Djodref wrote:


So do you want to lynch me because I'm useless or because I'm scum ?
What do you make a my last post about Oats ?

+ Show Spoiler [here] +

On January 21 2013 13:55 gonzaw wrote:
I only remember debears claiming SK on that other game, I don't remember any other games from his. Does he act like this as scum (troll and not give a shit about anything)? He has his previous games in his profile so I'll go check some of those

On January 21 2013 14:05 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw would you be supporting five + vivax as a mayor + sheriff team?

I really consider it very unlikely to have enough people willing to give me DT-protection (not that I need it but that's what people are afraid of) to make it myself.
It might be an incredibly good idea to make me sheriff though... You're not a stupid boy, you know what's going on, right? :p

On January 21 2013 22:14 FiveTouch wrote:
yamato, you need to listen to what I have to say without being defensive. From the manner of your posting, and your difficulties as scum last game, I consider it likely you are town this game.



It's good, at least, that you recognise your own confirmation bias with regards to Toad. Mostly your issues with Toad's play come down to the fact that you don't agree with plenty of things he has said, and you heavily dislike his delivery, which you see as condescending or antagonistic. These are not good reasons to think somebody is mafia. So take a step back and reassess; in LVIII you tunneled an active player constantly, right up to the moment he flipped town.

This is not a game of veterans vs newer players. It's town vs mafia. If the veterans are not communicating effectively, then they/we need to work on that, but in a similar vein, the newer players need to listen to what we have to say, because we have a lot of experience.



This post (and similar ones you have made) demonstrate a faulty, destructive mindset. You were in the last game where mafia lurked and twiddled their thumbs while watching town burn themselves to the ground. But you are pushing the idea that lurkers are "lynch-bait", which is effectively a statement of intent that you will protect lurkers on this basis, and go after more 'active' players. So it's a direct encouragement to lurk for mafia. Incidentally Mocsta looks better to me now for picking up on this himself.

The case on prplhz is not merely that he's lurking (else we could apply this to various others). The case is that he entered the thread pushing a policy idea he's said he hates as town, the case is that he came in trolling which he only does as mafia and not as town, the case is that he's posting little and not encouraging others to post like he does as town, the case is that his only major post yesterday was ranting at bugs and not caring about town or the mayor, or a lynch. His attitude so far is mafia-oriented, and this is backed up by his history.

Further, you seem to agree with my Oats read. What exactly is the problem we're having?

On January 21 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote:
@ Yamato

Dude, if you are town (which I kinda doubt cause you promised self-improvement last time I saw you somewhere else):

You have 4 pages of filter of which a lot of posts are aggressive, low content spam.
You aren't achieving anything but calling candidates bad without pushing your own preferences.
Your posts aren't consolidated, and you disregard the opinions of 4 vets. In light of your overconfidence you are aware of you should actually use them properly.

@ debears

Me and Toad aren't the scum you're looking for. Yamato might be but it's still early. Djo is..an interesting choice.
I like your play so far. Don't underestimate me in this game though, I'm asking you to vote me into a seat.

@ gonzaw

There are questions directed at you in my filter that you still have to answer.
I don't care if you think I'm town, I'm not voting for you. And I know you won't be voting for me.

@ Toad

I really appreciate your contributions in the latest pages that appeared since I posted last. Knowing that you support me and FT, I can trust into you being working for town.
I would appreciate however if you didn't refer to me as stupid or idiot.
You never know who's sitting behind the keyboard, and you don't take into account how fast I can improve.
I think my strategies and reads have improved a lot lately. I don't have as much experience as others in this forum, don't draw conclusions about my intelligence or ability to learn then.

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Regarding the discussion about my candidacy post: It was a good way to waste time in the last pages.
If you want to know, I started writing that post after I got my role pm.
But I can't prove it and it doesn't even matter. Look at my other play.
How I push my candidacy doesn't matter either. You know I want to be elected, and when I don't constantly spam that it doesn't mean I don't want it any more.

I pressured JX, Djo, gonzaw and yamato into giving out information in a way that breaks their usual posting style. Specific information.

I managed to get yamato very worked up to the point where he started replying in a subjectively quite scummy way.
Same goes for JX who replied to me with rather big delays, compared to the content he posted in that long time he needed to make the posts.

I am working pro-information, and I'm not sticking endlessly to the same target. I'm active, and I post transparently. Although I'm not giving you out all my reads, yet.

You will absolutely not regret me being elected.

On January 21 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:
Lol yamato. It's going to be hard for you to keep up the acting, you are trying to look so indignant and angry.

Say, why do you think Djodref is scum?

Would you support a candidate who wants to lynch him?

On January 21 2013 23:06 Vivax wrote:
@ Yamato

Then I assume, since me and Toad are probably not going to get lynched today, that you will vote for the candidate that lynches Djo?

@ Oatsmaster


Would you support me/Toad/Sandro as elected role?
If FT stops wanting to lynch you, will you support him?
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After looking at his meta, I support a prplhz lynch as well.

I especially looked at his town meta:

Looney lynching - town

→ More outspoken, more active, doesn't act as much as like he's not giving fuck as he does in this game.

Rockband Mini - town

→ Shares reads very early, opposes random lynching (here he asks for Chez lynch immediately).
Doesn't act like he doesn't give a fuck (as here). Significantly becomes more active when his mislynch is gaining steam. He posts a lot with not much time difference between the posts.

On January 22 2013 02:13 austinmcc wrote:

Did you play with him in the other three games linked above?

If so, does his play this game look identical to those?
If not, does his play this game look identical to those?

On January 22 2013 03:00 Vivax wrote:
Well, JX. If you elected me into office that would give you a lot of townie points.

You have to understand that it's concerning when people think my low activity was scummy when they don't take my time zone into consideration.
And even if they did, there is no proper reasoning behind mafia posting a candidacy and then going lurky.

I obviously check people attacking me cause I'm town.

Yamato says I'm not a complete noob cause I kinda busted two of three scum D1 in an obs qt of a recent game. But I think I am getting too cocky.

On January 22 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote:


It's not. Scum knows I'm town, so they have no interest into electing me. If JX says he might elect me, then I see it as a townie point.

You need to work on taking the point of view of a townie.

But maybe that's not the point you're making. How is it a scum claim?