EPTAlso I would vote for mocsta over you based on the feelings I have after reading the thread without serious consideration. Now the consideration begins.
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Also I would vote for mocsta over you based on the feelings I have after reading the thread without serious consideration. Now the consideration begins. | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:26 yamato77 wrote: Why are you blindly following their conclusions? I don't know if I've read an original read from you the whole game. Maybe I should lynch you. Go ahead. You'll just be wrong. Though I've never been mislynched, so I'd prefer to keep that trend going. | ||
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Anyway, I've decided that neither of you feel like scum to me, mostly based on general activity as well as voting (yamato) and something Chezinu said (mocsta). That might change if Chezinu doesn't flip red, but I'll get to that when I get to it. Could someone remind me again why clarity/Adam is rather confirmed in many peoples' eyes? I went through his filter and while I see some townie posts I didn't feel it was enough to rule him out. Is there some meta I missed? Same for axelgreaser, though I haven't gone through his filter yet. What is the townread on him centered around? (for the two previous questions, please don't just tell me to read the thread. I'm sure all the information's in here, and I've read every single post. The info probably just slipped by me. Whether you think I'm scum or town, having me continue to talk is good for town. If you have the info readily available off the top of your head, share it.) @toad: Imagine for a second that fuba isn't scum. Who would you vote next? | ||
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On January 27 2013 00:53 yamato77 wrote: Notice how he was responding to me until I gave a summary if his filter and concluded he was mafia. Fuba I think is fifth mafia. I'm going to make my case. Brb Haha, I sat there for a while thinking of how to respond to you, but I figured I would just get some sleep and start filtering in the morning. It's funny how I'm scum if I defend myself AND if I don't defend myself. Anyway, I'm here now. I'd prefer to stick to talk of the fifth mafia, because Chez and BKE seem like a foregone conclusion. I'm trying to find anything I believe to be errors in logic regarding the "confirmed townies" because, especially if chez or bke aren't scum, toad at least seems to be completely off track (this isn't an accusation, I just normally respect his thought process, and if he's wrong on 2/3 of the remaining scum, we all probably have to rethink things). | ||
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##Vote: Chezinu All I care about is the last scum, because it's not me, and I don't particularly feel like it's yamato or mocsta. Am I the only one in the game who doesn't have debears, stutters, axle, and clarity ruled out? (Again, apologies for missing these,. I'm sure I remember reading something about all of them, but I can't remember for the life of me. In any case, answering me helps town more than yelling at me for not noting it down when I read it the first time.) Also, Vivax, is it time to disclose what you found last night? Because you accuse FT of being scum for (among other incorrect reasons) not releasing who masoned him (which isn't scummy), but you turn around and refuse to divulge your DT check (something that is just infuriating). ...Please? Gotta go walk the dog, be back soon if anyone wants to talk a bit. | ||
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Hmmm, I'll become suspicious of vivax if he actually ended up investigating you. | ||
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On January 27 2013 02:01 Chezinu wrote: You do know you guys aren't lynching mafia? Do you mean that both of you aren't mafia, or that you aren't? Who would you suggest we replace you with? | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote: Idk. On one hand, you seem like you put in effort, but the parts of your filter dedicated to giving your own reads and talking about your own thoughts instead of the thoughts or reads of other players are few and far between. You also comment a lot on pointless shit. I could see a first time mafia player playing like you. You summarize a lot and agree with strong townies the whole game. You're super fucking blendy. When I get home I may indeed start campaigning for your lynch. I hope I'm not taking a page out of Vivax's book, but how exactly am I putting in work and not putting in work at the same time? Perhaps if you point out some of the pointless shit I could explain why I mentioned it. I'm pretty sure I had reasons for saying everything I've said. | ||
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You didn't understand the actual question, but it's rather irrelevant now. Almost everything I've written had a purpose in my eyes. Sorry if you don't see it. And I never said I haven't actually read. I somewhat understand not taking what I WAS saying seriously, however, but I expect that to change today. As for who we should lynch after BKE/Chez, I don't know. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Do you have any responses for my questions? | ||
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On January 27 2013 02:59 Stutters695 wrote: I see most of those reasons as valid. The first half of the game, I was kind of stymied by an "if you're right, you're right" situation. I found FT's reads incredibly compelling. I couldn't find anything I could add. I can't explain why I didn't really have any reads of my own. Things just didn't come together in my head.You're right, I was thinking of BKE I believe. Seeing your most recent thing about checking filters made me think of it. But yours isn't much better. What original reads have you done? Why should we believe you're town when you've asked a question or two, not followed it up or just sheeped a vets reads all game. I have a really similar meta to you so I understand when you can't play for a while the goal is living so you can help later, but I don't see an eagerness to help. I'm seeing all of the survival traits without any sort of care for how the town does and that concerns me because it's almost exactly how I would play scum for my first time. As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h. In any case, I'm working on correcting my play this game (and hopefully my play for games to come). Something happened yesterday afternoon that seems to have alleviated much of my anxiety while playing mafia, so don't be surprised to see me change playstyles completely. I'm gonna plan on not writing any more defense posts until I've got someone to replace myself with on toad's list. At the moment I'm reading axle's filter to confirm his towniness for myself. @toad: do you have any responses to my questions? If any of it is some kind of extra information read based on masoning, then there's no need to explain it to me I guess. Just know that I'll be trying to go through almost everyone's filters today (D3), and if there's some undeniable proof that you could share it would save me, potentially, a great amount of time. I suppose I'll just ask to be very explicit. Oats and Axle are both 100%, undeniably, town? | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:05 Toadesstern wrote: Sorry no time right now, have to leave  Anyways I wouldn't say 100% sure, I'd say at least 90% sure though. There's a fair chance (as in a chance that isn't 0%) I'm wrong on them but I can confirm that easily myself, I just need some time and I can explain it the next cycle, so give me that time and ignore them for today. It's just wasted time as even if one of BKE / Chez is town other people are more likely mafia. And no, has nothing to do with mason powers or knowledge. See you. Might be back online around 01:00 am my time for an hour or something like that. Alright, I'll stop going through axle's filter for now. I guess I'll pick through the shorter ones that I'm unsure of before I catch my train back home (I'll be afk from at least 4 to about 8pm, CST). | ||
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On January 27 2013 02:04 mkfuba07 wrote: Do you mean that both of you aren't mafia, or that you aren't? Who would you suggest we replace you with? First question kinda answered by your previous post. How about the second? | ||
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On January 25 2013 16:45 Chezinu wrote: oats and BKE sound good right now. Then I'll look into mocsta and grush, which seems that the circles have more knowledge about. But truthfully, I'm going to wait and see who 5touch votes for. As I said, it's dependent on what he flips, but I don't believe he would put up BKE and then throw his other scumbuddy up there with him. A bit wifom-y looking back, but it's enough for me at the moment. And now I feel dumb, because I'm quoting the post where he answers my question... So I guess I'll ask another. @Chezinu: Is this still your stance? Have you looked into mocsta and grush yet? In-post edit: Just saw your vote for grush. Have anything to add to it? | ||
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Are you finally revealing your check? Or just pointing out that you're withholding it? | ||
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On January 27 2013 11:15 annul wrote: okay good, this is what i wanted to hear. if you have a red that is not chez or BKE, then the game is over. Would you mind explaining this to me? | ||
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On January 26 2013 13:21 yamato77 wrote: The fact that you find Annul more likely town than me is mind boggling. Maybe I should lynch you for being stupid. Ugh this game is getting to me. First, an apology. I did finally go through your whole filter, and there's no way I'm voting for you this game. I don't feel like it even requires explanation. I still have filters to go through, but I finally have a possible scumread. Unfortunately, I'm not ready to give it yet. It still feels a bit too much like my ridiculous case in acme. I need flips. Until then I'll keep looking through filters. | ||
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What makes me believe it's possible is that scum weren't given specific roles. They were able to hand them out to whoever, as long as it was before the end of D1. Who is someone that many people were absolutely convinced was town D1, but is now showing significant anti-town signs? Vivax. I have yet to complete his filter (it is so very, very long) but there are a few things that I believe could indicate a scum Vivax.
I'm sure there's more. You can see why I wanted to wait for a scum flip (hopefully two, tonight) to reveal what I was thinking. It still feels like my acme case in that there's a significant bit of speculation involved, but much of that speculation goes away when scum flips. This one feels more legitimate. I don't believe I've overstepped the bounds of reason or am satisfying a confirmation bias. As I said earlier, if it is possible, I believe it is probable. Since Vivax isn't likely to be lynched based on what I have now, I'm keeping my votes on BKE and Chezinu. Sorry annul, but I'm only voting for people I think are scum, and right now that list only contains BKE, Chezinu, and Vivax. It also just so happens that when the first two flip they might confirm/deny the third. I might find another possible alternative as I go through more filters, but this is where I stand at the moment. I'll look into mocsta, just because I felt that his mason discussion with you as well as the posts to yourself and Adam were antagonistic, but I felt townie about him for most of the game, and I think my filterdive will reaffirm that. | ||
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