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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 16:46 GMT
#3350
well there might be someone stupid enough to do it...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 17:08 GMT
#3369
make that three!
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 17:13 GMT
#3377
On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

he never supported me
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 17:14 GMT
#3379
On January 29 2013 02:13 FiveTouch wrote:
It's more because I'm repeating myself.

In the quote Vivax provided, he said he was happy to vote for gonzaw, and yet he never did. austin could easily have consolidated over to gonzaw and made him sheriff, yet didn't, and let Toad become elected sheriff instead. austin was plenty active Day 1 and it makes no sense that he wouldn't throw his support over to gonzaw at some stage, especially as he'd seemingly given himself this opportunity to do so.


gonzaw would have needed 2 votes, which means they would have needed chez on top of that which would have made gonzaw look really odd at a time he still looked good.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 17:16 GMT
#3381
On January 29 2013 02:14 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 02:13 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

he never supported me


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&currentpage=166#3312


he can say that easily when he never planned to vote me to begin with. As Vivax pointed out he was more in austins favor earlier on.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 17:17 GMT
#3384
I mean I still don't want to lynch austin tomorrow now that I thought about it the last hour or something like that.

But he still looks fishy imo.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 18:33 GMT
#3421
On January 29 2013 03:29 debears wrote:
Something we should keep in mind with austin

Gonz was jack mason

I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role
Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity)
Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long

they can decide their roles after seeing how it works though. Agree with marvs find though.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 18:43 GMT
#3429
On January 29 2013 03:40 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 03:36 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 29 2013 03:35 debears wrote:
On January 29 2013 03:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 29 2013 03:29 debears wrote:
Something we should keep in mind with austin

Gonz was jack mason

I would think mafia woild try to get him into office with his role
Chez was godfather, meaning they most likely didn't want him in office (dt immunity)
Prp was a goon, meaning they didn't expect him to last long

they can decide their roles after seeing how it works though. Agree with marvs find though.


They had to decide by the start of n1.

Austin was pretty townish in my books heading into n1. Why not give him the godfather mason over chez?


Because Chez is way more likely to be checked than austin, for a start. That's not a good argument.


My point is that I find it morr likely for sxum to rely on austin over chez going into lategame one member down

I'd say the opposite. Chez is way more of a vet and at the same time you can't pull those "why is chez still around" arguments on chez unlike you could do on someone like marv / bugs / sandro surviving longer than they should.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 28 2013 19:58 GMT
#3436
still waiting on that explanation for checking bugs.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 09:07 GMT
#3578
On January 29 2013 12:16 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know why you're pushing annul in one post and then not in the next.

What the fuck are you doing, marv?


I might actually start weeping.

I'm pushing him because I don't understand what he did.

But the argument Vivax put in the thread is a good reason annul could be town, and I'm not gonna bullshit about it.

Marv it is not and you know it.

We both know mocsta is town now, we know axle is town. That means there were only 2 mafais on gonzaw, one of them being gonzaw himself.

Mafia didn't choose to get him eleceted for whatever reason but they could have. That reasoning could be anything like "We don't want to pile up everyone on gonzaw d1 with little / poor reasoning".
That being said I think we should lynch Annul because what was said in Annuls defense can be said about EVERYONE in this game, hence rendering it pointless.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 09:10 GMT
#3581
Also don't listen to a word Vivax says... it's hilarious.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 09:15 GMT
#3582
##vote Annul
##vote Doublelynch
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 09:19 GMT
#3583
On January 29 2013 14:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Alright, I decided that my "case" was more of a discussion piece. It's rolling around in my head, and I keep running into things that I want to check. Instead I'm just going to explain the overall idea and let people ponder it.

So, my theory is that it was mafia's intention to get chez elected mayor D1. if you read this post:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 23:51 austinmcc wrote:
On January 20 2013 14:20 Djodref wrote:
@ austin

How do you feel about this mayoral election ? Why did you avoid the subject so far ?
Would you run a campaign ? Who would you vote for if you had to choose right now and why ?
How do I feel about the mayoral election is...vague. I feel like we should elect a mayor. I'd prefer to elect someone whose judgment and reads I trust, and especially someone who I think needs protecting. There's not really much to "feel" about the election. Nor is there a need to say that, because everyone should be looking for the same qualities in their mayoral vote.

I would...be mayor if I got voted mayor, but I don't see much need to campaign. If people trust me and want to keep me alive, great, and I'd take it.

Overall, I kind of like the idea of electing someone NOT campaigning, or considering it. If someone doesn't campaign and has to get votes naturally, then town votes will gravitate towards the sort of person we really want for mayor. However, I'm not sure about that, because a campaign-focused election means scum has to campaign for mayor to win, be visible, whereas a non-campaign election means scum might have to vote for their scumbuddy to get a scum-mayor and provide reasoning for doing so, perhaps out themselves for later. I don't think that matters much, because (1) any scum running for mayor should be someone they feel can handle the position, and won't get outed just from being visible; and (2) don't think scum are going to go nuts connecting themselves on D1 just to get the mayor position.

There's my ramble, enjoy.

If I had to vote for someone RIGHT NOW, I'd vote toad or myself. Myself because I'm town and trust myself, so it's the only mayor I could be CERTAIN would be town. Toad because I've found some of his comments townie, and based on LV (I think it was LV) I know that he can be a useful townie when he has mason capabilities. OH HEY, IMPORTANT THING. Since masons choose someone each cycle and then can't mason that person again, one quality I'm SPECIFICALLY looking for in a mayor is someone I trust in mason circles. I have seen toad plot within a mason circle, which makes me think he'd be a good mayor as he can set plans in motion for LATER given only a single cycle with masons (unless I'm giving him too much credit).

Mayor gets the lynch today, a vote, the bodyguards, but will also be a key person for the mason roles in this game, both town and mafia. Needs to be able to read the people who mason him, perhaps set plans/traps in motion to figure out which masons were town/mafia, as well as just generally use being the other half of most mason pairs well.

I feel that that is an interesting emphasis, given what we know now. Why such strong emphasis on masons? At this point, town austin knew nothing about any masons, because he's a vet. Scum, however, were aware of at least 4 masons at this point. Chez was either aligned with or in direct communication with them. In addition, he appears to have tried to set up some kind of mason communication network that I still don't fully understand. Feasible that they were working together?

Austin later feels the need to insert himself into yamato and vivax's conversation/argument/whatever they had in order to tell us that chez should definitely be a candidate, even if he's not voting for him. He says that if you are convinced he's town, he is a top choice. But he is not convinced. Either way, it's a recurring theme in his filter. After it is pretty clear that chezinu isn't getting elected, he comments on gonzaw, saying at least once that he feels gonzaw would be a good candidate, but only if you believe he is town. But austin doesn't believe he's town, so he's not voting for him. He supports their elections, as long as he isn't the one to do it. These were two scum.

There's a bit more, but I've gotta head out for a bit. I'll add more when I get back.

again, mafia decide who gets what role. That could be said about anyone making it pointless.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 09:44 GMT
#3584
Marv, Axle might be back on the list... He's apparently not what everyone agreed him to be.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 10:24 GMT
#3591
On January 29 2013 18:51 annul wrote:
toad, did you jail anyone last night?

why should I
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 10:24 GMT
#3592
That being said Axle isn't a medic although he claimed it 4 times in a thread, so he's back to null to me.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 11:02 GMT
#3595
On January 29 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
why? he only has three jails. if he used it last night, we know he has no jail left.
Are you kidding me. Giving scum info=bad.

Toad, how big of a mason cycle are you in?

I never got masoned by anyone besides yamato yesterday.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 11:05 GMT
#3596
On January 29 2013 19:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Toad, why double lynch?

because there's 3 people I want dead as fast as possible: Annul, mkfuba, Axle.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 12:11 GMT
#3601
On January 29 2013 21:01 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 18:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Marv, Axle might be back on the list... He's apparently not what everyone agreed him to be.


Then we should absolutely be lynching Axle.

His activity has dropped off a cliff.

##Vote: Axlegreaser


what do you make off what I said about Vivax and your defense of Annul?

Because even if axle is mafia, that still means mocsta was town, that still means mafia could have gotten Goznaw into office any time they wanted.
So there was a reason for them to not do that like "we don't want to have all votes on gonzaw d1" or whatever it is, it doesn't matter.

Mocsta completly nullifies the defense on Annul you and Vivax thought about because the same thing could be said about EVERYONE in the game.
"why didn't chez vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!"
"why didn't Bugs vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!"
"why didn't Toad vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!"
"why didn't Yamato vote gonzaw? he could have made him sheriff!"

clearly you have to agree that with that knowledge there is no point in mentioning it about Annul, now is there?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 29 2013 12:29 GMT
#3606
Also if Axle isn't the medic his "medic-like"-posts sound a lot like mafia because he's thinking about medics so much.

Remember:
  • He was FURIOUS about me jailing bugs instead of Sandro (reason #1 I thought he's medic)
  • He wrote twice that "that's when I thought I understood the medic plan" or something like that, which again, made me think he's a medic for thinking about that. (reason #2, #3 to think he's a medic)
  • He apologized for screwing up twice as well and said the mistake was on him when talking about
    • my jail n1 and that he should have listened to what I said instead of what bugs said
    • my jail n2 when I was so furious about bugs dying when I made it perfectly clear that I need protection on bugs

    that's reason #4 and #5 for thinking he was a medic
  • He kept on talking about the medic thing NONSTOP and nothing else, which is reason #6 I thought he's a medic


Now if we take all that into consideration and with the knowledge that he in fact isn't a medic he thinks about medics an awful lot for apparently no reason.
He also tried to figure out the "medic plan" I did n1 and n2. Why would you do that unless you're a medic yourself?

I REALLY thought the guy is just a bad townie who kept blabbering about his role and can't keep his mouth shut and ignored the fact that he's not contributing both because I was damn certain about him being a medic and because being focused about a role (medic) like that is something new guys do if they happen to have that role themselves...
Bugs thought the same thing, I told marv about it and he INSTANTLY agreed and said it's so obvious now that I mentioned it in mason-chat, which is the reason he changed from axle being probably mafia to axle being probably town so suddenly.

Now that we know he is no medic it looks an awful lot like someone trying to contribute something (talk about medics) when it doesn't do a thing for us. At all.
On top of that he is really focused about who ends up being medic'ed / jailed and there's obvious mafia reason to think about that a lot. I don't see a lot of reasons for townies to think about that stuff unless you're involved yourself (aka: you are the medic).
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