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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 18:58 GMT
#2223
Let me answer for you:

1. You know what powers gonzaw might have used.
2. You know gonzaw has two roles.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:01 GMT
#2226
Toad, why so disinterested in the game?

You are always here to ask questions but never to post something on your own.

You are still convinced yamato, FT and austin are town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:01 GMT
#2227
ebwop: to answer questions
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:02 GMT
#2228
FT going silent? Is that usual for him?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:04 GMT
#2231
Austin, what do you think about the points raised about yamato and FT regarding their stance on gonzaw?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:13 GMT
#2236
On January 25 2013 04:07 DearestSnot wrote:
rofl watching vivax froth at the mouth is hilarious


I actually laughed about this.
I like the jokey Bugs.

To be honest I was desperately trying to find slips in the interactions after the claim.

I found it a bit weird that Toad first asked me this:

On January 25 2013 01:48 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 01:45 yamato77 wrote:
On January 25 2013 01:44 Toadesstern wrote:
so justs to get this straight, he claimed DT and claimed to get back his alignment + roles, correct?

That should be easy enough to confirm, give me a sec.

The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work?

I think they're both mafia.

mafias can have multiple roles. So it could be a jack + mason mafia if he's telling the truth. I'm just doubting that you get roles when checking people oO


On January 25 2013 01:49 Toadesstern wrote:
oh actually screw that it says so in the op


On January 25 2013 01:50 Toadesstern wrote:
so you get back roles only, which means you found a jack + mason and not a jack is that correct?
because the first one would be a confirmed mafia besides not knowing his alignment.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#2242
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#2244
Saying FT attacked it like crazy isn't true though.

But he said he found it consistent with my filter and then asked why I checked gonzaw.

Which is a weird question to be fair.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:11 GMT
#2274
@ austinmcc

I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point.

What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:23 GMT
#2278
@ marv
Most of town agreed with a prplhz lynch, if you killed Oats he would have probably flipped green/blue, you would have looked a lot worse and you would have had to kill prplhz anyway at some point, probably the next day.

There would have been questions about why you didn't kill him day1 and would have been forced to bus him soon anyway, making you suspicious for the rest of the game.

So you simply bussed him day 1 and took massive cred you were trying to use to lead town into an Oats mislynch this day.

I don't see that prplhz lynch D1 as a towntell for you. It's simply the best scum play you could make in that situation.

Everyone supporting you would have to take the same cred for prplhz's lynch anyway.
If even Bugs read prplhz as scum, then... *cough*, nevermind. (sorry Bugs )
That bus got you a super powerful role and a lot of cred to get rid of an useless goon pawn who was behaving scummy from his very first post.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:36 GMT
#2281
You underestimate the power of waffles in making my reads
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:37 GMT
#2282
Where the hell is axle when the thread feels so empty.

I think I'll start writing random stories.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:39 GMT
#2284
We should join our mystic forces.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 21:57 GMT
#2292
The pH-value of an acid is -in the case of a strong acid- the negative logarithm of it's concentration expressed in molarity.

A strong acid is an acid that dissociates completely. That means that the reaction is irreversible and the acid decades completely into the ions of which it consists.

HCL → H⁺ + Cl⁻ according to Arrhenius.
HCL + H20 → H3O⁺ + Cl⁻ according to Brønsted & Lowry

Considering the calculation of the constant of equilibrium Kc = [A] * [B] / [AB], with the respective variables being the concentrations of reagents and products expressed in molarity, same can be applied to the strong acid.

Ka = [H3O⁺] * [Cl] / [HCl] * [H2O]

Given that water is assumed to be present in abundance, its concentration can be considered constant.

Ka = [H3O⁺] * [Cl] / [HCl]

Since it dissociates completely, [HCl] becomes 0 over time, and the concentrations of [Cl] and [H3O] both correspond to the concentration of the dissociated [HCl].
The concentration of HCl corresponds to the concentration of protonated hydrogen ions in solution.

I think we should lynch yamato tomorrow.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 22:22 GMT
#2296
I'll lynch Chezinu if he doesn't spit out the mason information.

Frankly, I don't think he's mafia. But sometimes a townie needs his ass on the line to start playing like you want to.

Marv renounced on pursuing him for a lie that has popped up earlier in the thread, until he reveals more we'll remain quite in the dark.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 23:22 GMT
#2304
Did anyone analyse gonzaws' support of Toad and austin yet?

Pay attention to how Toad speaks to people directly. I'm not quoting this here (yet), but you're free to check that in the filter.

Look especially at how he talked to me and Oats,

As opposed to Toad and Mocsta.

On January 21 2013 13:48 gonzaw wrote:
I don't really agree with a prplhz lynch this D1 though.
It seems like his normal play, and I don't think there's much to go on to be sure he's scum this game. He's not the paragon of townieness but I don't remember him being so in any town game from his (granted I only obsed games he played, I don't remember playing with him I think).
There are better candidates out there.

To be honest I wouldn't mind lynching Clarity either, dude has been passive as fuck every post of his, and just straight up disappeared. I take it he wouldn't just completely go AFK as scum after posting "I'll promise you reads", and he has to vote so he has to come back and post something. I suggest we pay attention to when he does.

I am still running for mayor. I take it being sheriff wouldn't be bad, I'd still get protection so I can fuck with scum for more time and I trust myself with a JK; but I prefer to trust my judgement this D1 and lynch who I think is likelier to be scum.
If I can't be mayor...hmm, I'll have to think about it.

I think I'd prefer Toad, because I don't see him playing like TLI (was it?) at all and seems the most likely one to be town. Plus he's making sense and active and that shit.
Fivetouch is making sense, but I'm not sure I trust him to be town yet.


On January 22 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote:
It's obvious I won't be mayor now (it's like 5 hours until deadline right?), so I'm okay with the sheriff position.

austin seems likely town as well, and posts his thought process and explanations, and he'd be a good player to have protection from BGs as well, wouldn't mind him being sheriff either.
Wouldn't mind Toad being sheriff either, but yeah those successive votes on him seem weird.
*snip*

I'd be happy with Five being mayor if he lynched Oats (likely what I'd do if I was mayor), and of course spends the rest of the game leading town, posting his thought process, being open/transparent, etc.


I'll have to check again some of the stuff said about Stutters, but he can easily be scum as well. Dunno if I'd lynch him before Oats though, but if both are scum it doesn't really matter, but I'm leaning on lynching Oats this D1.

I'll respond to questions I've skimmed later.


The successive votes on Toad seem weird (why?). Yet he votes him over austin afterwards.

On January 22 2013 07:13 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw vote me now :p


I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you.

Skimmed JieXian's filter but didn't find anything. He participates in discussions and the like, don't really see him as scum now.
I don't know wtf Vivax is on, try to keep a cool head dude, and analyze behaviours and contributions, not petty shit like someone saying you were in the US and then saying you weren't; and stop overreacting if you are town.


He never changed vote though. But he has posted reasons.

On January 22 2013 09:57 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm.

Okay, does someone feel like me or austin should be sheriff?
The voting is pretty close and there is little time left.

If someone is willing to vote me for sheriff I'll keep my vote, if not I'll vote Toad just in case (or maybe just leave it like it is since he's in the lead)


On January 22 2013 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Day 1 Votecount


FiveTouch - 7
DearestSnot
FiveTouch
debears
JieXian
mkfuba07
yamato77
prplhz


austinmcc - 3
Oatsmaster
austinmcc
sandroba

Chezinu - 2
Chezinu
grush57

Toadesstern - 4
Toadesstern
Vivax
Stutters695
djodref

gonzaw - 3
Gonzaw
mocsta
axlegreaser

annul - 1
annul


Make your own conclusions about this. If you think they are good post them.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 23:22 GMT
#2305
EBWOP: Pay attention to how gonzaw speaks to people directly.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 23:27 GMT
#2306
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 21 2013 14:47 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 14:40 Mocsta wrote:
Regardless.. to use that as a heuristic I think is weak

(i.e. posting a [pre-made]campaign is indicative of town play)

Now you are using meta to make your judgement. I obviously don't share that experience with you.
From my perspective its an informal fallacy.

Im not saying Vivax is scum; Im saying Toads rational for declaring him openly town to me is weak at best, and contradictory at worst


How am I using meta? Well, rather than meta I'm using reputation and experience. It doesn't feel like something a scum Vivax would do, mostly because his name is "Vivax" and not "Palmar" or "wherebugsgo", or even "Risen" or "kush", etc (you get what I mean).

So Mocsta, you think these "heuristics" used to see if Vivax is town are useless? How do you plan on reading Vivax?
If you "read" him as scum (like yamato does) because of Vivax doing some "bad" plays or something, how do you know he can't do the same as town?
Are you opposing this just so Vivax doesn't get the sheriff role, or just because people seem to think Vivax is town and you don't want them to (that easily)?


I like to use that kind of heuristics with those types of players, because they are usually right.
Of course if you put a wbg or Radfield in front of me they are kind of meaningless (as I painfully learned in the past )


I would think Mocsta is town just cause of the way gonzaw talked to him in the bolded part.
But this is still quite speculative.
The way gonzaw and Toad talk to each other has to be looked at however.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 23:37 GMT
#2313
On January 25 2013 08:32 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 08:30 Stutters695 wrote:
I've considered the possibility of a frame but it feels like an awful lot has to line up for that to be true. Vivax would have to have picked the same target as the farmer first of all which is possible but unlikely and we won't learn much of anything in addition to rushing a lynch.

Why didn't gonzaw, as a mason, mason people?


How would you know, as a townie, that gonzaw didn't mason people?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22310 Posts
January 24 2013 23:41 GMT
#2318
On January 25 2013 08:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 08:32 austinmcc wrote:
On January 25 2013 08:30 Stutters695 wrote:
I've considered the possibility of a frame but it feels like an awful lot has to line up for that to be true. Vivax would have to have picked the same target as the farmer first of all which is possible but unlikely and we won't learn much of anything in addition to rushing a lynch.

Why didn't gonzaw, as a mason, mason people?


How would you know, as a townie, that gonzaw didn't mason people?


Why would you assume from someone who should be most likely scum from your perspective that he didn't mason anyone just cause he didn't say it?

Or the people masoned didn't?
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