Dessert Mini Mafia

On January 13 2013 06:38 Ruuch wrote:
/in

On January 13 2013 07:49 Dandel Ion wrote:

I am concerned you had to reply for him, and he didn't.

I hope you are sure you don't want him to play newbies before. If he plays this one I will assume he has done enough self-research to not get himself modkilled at least.


Ofc regular rules I remind you guys of:
Don't talk about the game, out of this game. Don't PM (about the game) don't tell each other's alignment, etcetc.

On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:

The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure.

Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is.

You can step it up, Or get lynched your call.

On January 13 2013 09:30 Ruuch wrote:
I'm town. Just putting that out there.

On January 13 2013 09:32 Hapahauli wrote:


Didn't expect the game to start tonight o_O

I'll get right on that one though:

+ Show Spoiler +

In all seriousness, I'd rather NOT have to be the one spamming this game. My last two games (Witchcraft Mini + British Mini), I was 33% of the thread in content and driving the discussion for the entirety of the game. I don't mind repeating it this time around, but it's much better for the town not to rely on one person for activity.

The early burst of activity is quite good news though ^^

On January 13 2013 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh I'll be posting for sure. Hell every time I say "I won't be as active" I end up spamming the shit out of the thread anyway.

I just have some not-so-good memories of thread activity in recent games, and if I'm the one driving discussion again, town's screwed when if I get NK'd.

On January 13 2013 09:53 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh are you Xatalos's RL bud?

Also, is there anything in the thread that sticks out to you right now? There's certainly MrZ's vote on you that I want your opinions on.

On January 13 2013 09:50 jaybrundage wrote:

Xatalos I dont know about you. But I dont want someone trolling in a mafia game. Why put up with someones bullshit so he can spite someone. If hes scum then he can just use to get away with scummy shit. I dont want to put up with that. So I rather put a stop to it now.

On January 13 2013 10:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
NVM MY BAD

##unvote
##Vote: grush

On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum.

On January 13 2013 11:09 MrZentor wrote:


I'm leaning townie on him, but it's a pretty weak read.

And I suppose my vote served its purpose.

##Unvote




No, he's definitely not playing like he was in British Mafia.

My posts have a lot more content than yours, and that vote wasn't random. Are you familiar with the idea of putting pressure on somebody to gauge their response and get a better read on them?

On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote:
@Xalalos

Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor.

But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet?

On January 13 2013 11:15 MrZentor wrote:


What? You switched from referring to Jay as "he" to "you"?

He seems a bit more confident this game than last.

On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:

-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless

##unvote

Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.

A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.

On January 13 2013 11:25 MrZentor wrote:


You didn't ask me what the basis of my town read is.

You asked the difference between Jay's play this game and last.

On January 13 2013 11:36 thrawn2112 wrote:


xatalos do you actually have opinions about any of this or are you just going to ask random questions?

On January 13 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hopeless comes away more scummy because if I look at each player objectively, without meta, and not thinking about them omgusing each other, hopeless is scummier. meta is a dumb reason to have a strong opinion on who to lynch, and hopeless actually seemed completely serious about wanting to lynch grush. his "wrong answer" post was strange as you've pointed out and "what would be the right answer" was the same question I thought about as soon as I read hopeless's post. no, he's not my top read. that title probably goes to xatalos/super. as I said, my thoughts on grush/hope have somewhat been reset back to null.

fml if this is to be yet another incarnation of thrawn and hapa spamming at each other

On January 13 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
the reasons I think xatalos could be scum

he's defending kush.... scum do that a lot
he's pushing jay.....scum do that a lot
he's participating in a lot of discussion that isn't related to scumhunting, it looks like he's arguing for the sake of arguing
i don't detect real suspicion in any of his posts

he's spending way too much time defending people and I don't think he's actually suspicious of anything

On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol.
One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome.

He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason.
##vote mrzentor

On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz

other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row

On January 13 2013 13:19 MrZentor wrote:
Well, he was in it, I suppose, but he didn't read the last half.

On January 13 2013 14:00 kushm4sta wrote:

i read his filter twice
i thought it was scummy.
THEN
everyone who knows his meta says he isn't scummy.
he doesn't respond scummily.
i dont think he's scummy
is that explained enough to you?

also your name is pronounced shatalos? sorry but this is relevant to me because I like to say it in my head.

On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.

On January 13 2013 15:18 slOosh wrote:
The Xatalos case

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Xatalos doesn't actually scumhunt. He asks strings of pointless questions, and brings up things and then doesn't provide any conclusions.


What is the purpose behind this post? First, it doesn't even make sense. Not being able to imagine scum playing like that has nothing to do with an excuse to play anti-town. Perhaps he thinks kush is town and wants him to shape up? Well then why does he contradict himself when he called out jay for doing the exact same thing?


Even the way he does it is strange. It doesn't directly say, 'hey jay is making out things that aren't there, jay is scummy for doing so'. It's more of an invitation for people to consider jay scummy without actually calling him scummy.

---

Here is a really awkward defense of supersoft. A totally unjustified soft defense of someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it. Stands in stark contrast to finding jay's post 'too aggressive for his taste'.

---

This is the first time some pressure is applied on him. How does he handle it? It is a totally apologetic tone, mixed in with some appeasement (which contrasts to him "calling out jay" later on, even though nothing has really changed, not to mention that he doesn't mention at all jay's posts on supersoft, or supersoft's scummy second entrance). Scum apologize and make themselves seem smaller than they are (cf Ver's guide).

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##Vote: Xatalos

On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O

@ MrZ

I don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement.

@ Supersoft

Have you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him.

Also, please reply to my previous post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&currentpage=6#119

Regarding Xatalos

His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.

That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced:


I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.

On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:

Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have.

Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game.

The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads.

Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal?

On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:

WBG Answer this plz.

I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit.

I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch.






Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that.

##Vote Xatalos

On January 14 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Xatalos


Talk to me a bit.

The main thing I find scummy about you is your multitude of soft-defenses. The supersoft one I quoted earlier reads as especially strange. Also, you're pushing Jay right now, but pushing lynch-bait is something anyone can do. We were both playing in British Mini, and you saw how he acted. What makes his gameplay different now? I see a lot of similarities - spaminess, etc.

On January 15 2013 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Xatalos, please look at the case on me and tell me what you think. Also, look up SS and hopeless.

On January 15 2013 02:55 jaybrundage wrote:
I have been quieter this game unfortunately a combination of my work schedule, and I find it hard to contribute day one especially with so many new people I haven't played with before. During Hero MM i got mislynched so I have been working to change the way I play the game. Look up my most recent game in British MM if you wanna see my most recent play. One of the things I have been trying to eliminate is posting with out having a clear goal in mind cause people usually end up mislynching me : (


@X Im not gonna go down a useless arguement about who has done what in cases of usefulness. And yes usually im an easy mislynch because I dont properly display townie traits when I am in fact town. Regardless I have been trying to change this British MM was a result of that.

On January 15 2013 03:13 jaybrundage wrote:

Eh thats the problem i have trouble having opinions on people day 1.

And I'm hesitant to post with out coherent thoughts on people.

I still think Xatalos has a good chance of flipping scum. His early game questioning seemed alot like scum probing peoples thoughts early with out really giving his own thoughts. Then when some pressure was applied on him he went to a case on me. I was pushed on as a mislynch in Hero MM day one VE who was scum actually made a pretty big case on me. So I have a feeling like that is what is happening here.

On January 15 2013 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
First of all, we're not lynching jay today. Anyone who is calling him scum right now is either is scum or dumb, since they probably have never played with him before. You need time to catch players like jay, because they play scum and town very similarly. He's mislynch bait as town, and I would argue that as scum he'd probably be much harder to lynch-they always are.

Secondly, there are 6 hours left in the day and we need to consolidate. I would very much like that we consolidate on Xatalos or Zentor. We have 3 nonvoters, one of whom has done nothing (Ruuch) one of whom should have actually done something already (supersoft) and one of whom very well might be scum (Zentor)

On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.

In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII.

On January 15 2013 03:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


I meant players in general, not just you.

On January 15 2013 04:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


because everyone in this game is like that.

Also, at the very least I have several games played with jay, and so far (crosses fingers) I have not been incorrect about him.

Also, from what I remember your play as town is not like this.

On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote:
wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible.

You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy.

There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much.

Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum.

On January 15 2013 04:47 Promethelax wrote:


Those points you have for Kush are great. If it wasn't Kush. Did you read WC? Or any of his scum games? Many of us have while you haven't and I know you probably don't like being told you don't know what you are talking about but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kush plays that way as either alignment.

LM has made sense? What does that even mean. You agree with his case on jay? You think SS is scum and Thrawn town? You deeply believe that hopeless is retarded? Please explain this.

On January 15 2013 07:07 slOosh wrote:


An answer is implicit in the fact that I've dropped you to go after Prom. There's currently nothing to be gained from me interacting with you unless you have some insight into Prom that you have yet to share.

On January 15 2013 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:
So Prom got lynched. Sucks Xatalos didnt get pushed thru : (

Ruunc almost got lynched for the sheep vote rofl. I almost feel bad for the guy. He should of started playing in newbie game.
If hes scum he might be able to easily get away with the im new dont vote me crap. Also if this is his first game it seems like he doesnt really care about the game just went with what ever the thread was doing.

SS you stated that you were lynching for information. So Lazor Sloosh are your two big scum reads. Who do you play to lynch first?

Also I dont like Grush he seems very unopinionated and just goes with what ever the thread is doing.

He calls out that he thinks both of the biggest candidates are scummy. But doesnt give any reasoning or thought to why there scum.


And then he arbitrarily decides on the "prom train" Again with no reasoning or thought behind it. Grush wants a mislynch so he hops right on. While at the same time not giving reasoning.





And i heard about his town breadcrumb Starsenses? Plz tell me people dont actually consider this alignment indicative. Why wouldnt he just say that if hes scum this game...




Thoughts?

On January 15 2013 23:35 Lazermonkey wrote:
If Hapa is the serial killer, wouldn't it be quite bad to shoot him tonight....? For several reasons.

On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
super, agree/disagree:

three of four

Hopeless
Xatalos
Zentor
Promethelax

On January 14 2013 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
He wasn't on my list because he didn't stand out to me on my first read, only on subsequent reads.

I need to do more rereading since I really wanted to kill kush today. Tentatively I'd put Hopeless and Xatalos up there, followed by Zentor.

On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
I just finished reading.

Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing.



when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either.

On January 15 2013 05:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
either way if Lazer flips I'd still be interested in Xatalos, but if Lazer flips town hopeless looks much worse.

On January 15 2013 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too)

Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der

The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point.

Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him.

Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me.

In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either.

So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful.

On January 16 2013 02:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
one thing that bothers me about jay's posting is that he summarized a bunch of shit for no good reason.

I looked through jubjub and if I remember correctly he did it a bit in that game as scum, but I'm not entirely sure whether he would post this much content as scum (he didn't there)

Anyway, if I'm not back before deadline, and I die, for tomorrow:

1. Either force Ruuch to play the game, or kill him.
2. Keep an eye on Xatalos, grush, Hopeless, at least one of them is likely scum IMO.
3. It's fairly likely that there's a scum between the more active/towny looking players, there almost always is. Between super and slOosh, if they at any point stop making sense or lead bad lynches, or have reads that are terrible, kill them. I can't necessarily say the same about the other players since they are more likely to do stupid shit as town. If you end up having an "auto-town" read on one of these players and the game goes to lylo, and they have not been under suspicion all game, consider killing them at that point. This is what I meant about the sciberbia thing, in Yet Another Mini I had an auto-town read and occasional niggling suspicion about sciberbia but it never was fleshed out into any sort of read and I perpetually procrastinated on fully reading his posts because I didn't view them as that important. I basically didn't pay attention to him. Don't make that same mistake.
4. If there are two kills at any point in the game, strongly consider the possibility of SK.

On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
I just finished reading.

Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing.

On January 15 2013 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
I would very much like to last minute lynch zentor if possible.

##unvote

##vote MrZentor

On January 15 2013 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
If that were anyone else I would call that a scumclaim.

So, let's treat him like anyone else LOL

##unvote
##vote Ruuch

On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch.

I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive.

Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card.

##vote Xatalos

On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.

In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII.

On January 16 2013 20:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm wary of lynching Hopeless. I think his play this game is VERY similar to his play last game. I tunneled the shit out of him that game for stuff that are very much alike to this game. He didn't really push scum reads, he seemed very uninterested in the D1 lynch(both canidates were town), etc. Needless to say, he was town. I'm not actually very confident in lynching Hopeless.

Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725

On January 16 2013 17:28 jaybrundage wrote:
Sloosh looks like scum to me. He makes a a case on Hopeless1der.

But its mostly just a test case to see if WBG is scummy. When WBG starts putting pressure on him he OMGUS's but ends up backing off and saying lets just lynch Hopeless1der instead.

I agree that Hopeless hasn't contributed much at all this game and that he does look scummy. But the fact that Sloosh wants to vote for hopeless seems really suspect to me. Why would scum vote for there partner when there are other lynch candidates today. He could of picked out of alot of different people like grush lazer. It doesn't make any sense that he would pick someone that would be his partner.

It feels like Sloosh is taking the easy way out. He didnt feel confident to try to lych town WBG so he backs off and decided to go for Hopeless again.

@Xatalos Its called doing shit man you should try it. Also did you not read my grush case i still feel he's scum. But as of yet there has been no support for lynching him and he has yet to post anything much since then.

Don't think I have forgotten you. While your posting hasn't sucked as much dick as did before. Doesn't mean I dont think your not scum.

##Vote SloOsh

On January 17 2013 01:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Supposing you're town, hopeless:

Would you be down to lynch slOosh? For the record I'd be willing to lynch into any of slOosh/LM/grush/Zentor, my priority being that order.

On January 17 2013 01:45 wherebugsgo wrote:


nope, there are no reasons to call me scum.

This is the last time I'll address this: it's not worth my time to reply to things like this.

Read Ver's guide.

On January 17 2013 01:44 MrZentor wrote:
##unvote
##vote slOosh

Gogogogogo

On January 17 2013 02:05 thrawn2112 wrote:


what do you think of his alignment?

On January 17 2013 02:09 MrZentor wrote:
Xatalos, the people in that game were less experienced than the ones in this game, making them much easier to read.

On January 17 2013 02:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
what about stuff other than meta?

On January 17 2013 02:15 MrZentor wrote:


No.

On January 17 2013 02:21 thrawn2112 wrote:



that's too simplistic of an approach. can you actually tell me what you think of the specific things he's done this game?

On January 17 2013 03:17 wherebugsgo wrote:


I'd agree with that too, given that both thrawn and zentor simply swapped their votes over to slOosh as soon as I did.

I think both slOosh and Hopeless are good lynches for today. If they are both scum, and it's certainly possible, who does that leave us with for a third scum? Grush?

If one of them is not?

On January 17 2013 03:26 Hapahauli wrote:


My first concern is seeing Hopeless hang, and then we'll find the rest. SloOsh could be scum based on how he handled himself last night (flinging shit at you, willingness to compromise on Hopeless), but I'm not convinced. As for a 3rd, I have no idea. I was originally thinking Lazer, but given how hard Hopeless decided to push him, I don't think that's realistic.

On January 17 2013 03:49 Hapahauli wrote:


See the above post + my night-post for more info.

What do you think about my case on Hopeless?

On January 17 2013 04:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


Congratulations, you just proved that indifference and uncertainty is not always scum indicative.

Now please pay attention to the thread and take off your fucking confirmation bias goggles.

On January 17 2013 04:47 slOosh wrote:
My point is that trying to figure out the whole scum team when we don't even have concrete OP information on the number of scum is a futile exercise, of which more harm will come than good.

On January 17 2013 05:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
if there are 4 scum then how is that a bad assumption?

You kill 3 and then the game's not over, clearly there's someone left to kill. What a stupid argument, slOosh is just saying this to throw dirt on legitimate and well-reasoned assumptions on the setup. Indeed, he has nothing else to say, because he's scum.



lol wut

I'm not indifferent to lynching scum, I'm indifferent to having to talk repeatedly to people like you.

On January 17 2013 05:18 jaybrundage wrote:

So lets lynch SlOosh then he seems more likely to be scum then hopeless. Also it doesn't make sense for him to try to push hopeless if they are indeed scum. He could of easily put a vote on Lazermonkey instead for instance.

Sloosh has been wishy washy and hesitant to push his scum reads. The reasoning being that as scum he doesnt want to straight up push WBG unless he can get some support for it. He completly backs down from it.

Also Grush where the hell have you been. You have been lurky and scummy all game. You never posted reasons for your vote. And you show a disinterest in helping town. I would also be willing to lynch grush today over hopeless. It seemed that he dropped of peoples radar.

On January 17 2013 05:42 jaybrundage wrote:

I'm going for players I think are scum that can get lynched today. My read on you is null/slightly scummy. But there are people I think have a better chance to flip scum then you so i am pursuing my reads on them. Also I don't think we should lynch hopeless if sloosh is scum. I dont see hopeless flipping scum too.

On January 17 2013 05:53 jaybrundage wrote:

WBG i think is town. Both Sloosh being scum and WBG being scum makes no damn sense.

Also as i said earlier scum WBG would have no need to defend me. He would just use me as early mislynch foder. Day 1 is always tricky for me. But i find i can pick up more steam as the game goes along.

On January 17 2013 05:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
Meeeh, I really think Hopeless should be defending himself, but since he seem to suck at that... I feel like alot of your points, maybe even all of them, could be explained by the fact that Hopeless is bad. And do you see any scum motivation in scum motivation in saying that a player is suspicious for voting the same person that you are voting yourself? This just seems retarded as both alignments. Also, Hopeless feels like he bases alot of his reads on OMGUS(whoever votes him, he votes etc)

Also, I don't exactly see that he went from vote ruush to Iamp is town without explaination as scummy. ruush was a policy lynch and nothing else, and Iamp is clearly looking better than ruush to say the least.

On January 18 2013 02:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
also xatalos is still abstaining, which is hilarious.

You're not going to lynch me today, or probably ever. Pick between slOosh and Hopeless.

On January 18 2013 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote:


how his sloosh promising to share his reads any better than hopeless not being around? and hopeless has more than done his part as far as sharing his reads go. sloosh came in while I was pushing LM and said nothing relevant to our conversation. as you are doing. sloosh may have posted more recently but there was nothing constructive in his post

what do you think about lazermonkey?

On January 15 2013 05:31 Xatalos wrote:


I read the beginning of Kush's filter in Witchcraft. I have to agree that Kush isn't afraid of attention as scum either. BUT there's a big difference: in Witchcraft Kush is pretty reasonable and doesn't actually play anti-town at all. At least I'm not seeing it. Here he begins the game by grabbing negative attention and setting himself up for a lynch (or at least losing sympathy points). He also keeps doing anti-town/scummy things, while in Witchcraft he keeps discussing reasonably and doesn't slip anything scummy-looking. Or can you show me wrong?

I agree with Lazermonkey on Jay and Thrawn. I disagree on supersoft and Hopeless. You can read what I think of them in my filter. What I meant is that he doesn't freak out, OMGUS, dodge questions or anything like that. He is calm and makes sense even in such a bad spot.

On January 18 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
you don't have a real read on him do you?

On January 19 2013 09:39 MrZentor wrote:
You got me, Xata, I'm scum.

On January 19 2013 09:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm confirmation biased, and have yet to properly make a case, so feel free to call this OMGUS until I substantiate:

##Vote: Hapahauli


Still willing to lynch Lazer.

On January 19 2013 09:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

Your post is stamped 2 minutes after Zentor's and reads as a direct response to his claim, in which you suggest he may not actually be town. Also, define useful. Scattered information doesn't do anything by itself, there needs to be a reason. What do you expect is in the logs? He needs to post the logs before he dies, but I don't think we need his logs ASAP.

On January 19 2013 09:53 Hopeless1der wrote:

Scumteam:
Hapahauli
Xatalos
Lazermonkey

On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote:


this guy is scum.
Also because hopeless is too...

##Vote: Hopeless1dr

On January 19 2013 02:14 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nothing happening atm : (. I'm going to the cinema + food for a few hours. Should be back before deadline tho.

On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.

On January 20 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:

No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment.

On January 20 2013 04:26 iamperfection wrote:

Its tough from my phone but I believe you somewhat doubted the claim and then asked for logs. As scum you would have known mr z was town.

On January 20 2013 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote:

Yeah, I read grush bugs and lamp as town. Zentor is "confirmed". Between you and Jay, I think you are scummier. No, I have not explained why, and I'm not going to while Hapa and LM are still on the table. There's no benefit to being scatterbrained when I'm about to die, let me focus on the scumreads I'm confident in so I can actually convince people my reads are shit, either before or after the lynch.

On January 20 2013 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
BTW I mentioned a town RB targeting Xata/Hapa being dumb but a JK on those same targets would not be, so my previous assessment didn't mention that. Because of that we can't really tell too much from the RB claims IMO.

On January 20 2013 09:44 Lazermonkey wrote:


So, how am I being dumb if your reason for voting someone is deceptive(even from your own PoV)?

I can buy that you wanted to hold the voting close. But that isn't a very relevant part of the case anyway. For example, it doesn't explain the fact that you first say that hopeless looks much better after his post + the fact that he played similar to this last game as town and then moments later say that he is just as scummy SlOosh. It also doesn't explain the fact that you didn't push Hopeless at all during the day, while you were pushing SlOosh like no tomorrow.

On January 20 2013 13:19 grush57 wrote:
Seeing hopeless' flip makes or breaks the reads bro.

On January 20 2013 09:47 Lazermonkey wrote:
Jay: If Hopeless is scum, I think it is perfectly possible that they would just buss him, given the situation he is in.

On January 20 2013 20:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hopeless flipping scum would obviously make WBG look much worse. But even then, it doesn't actually explain some stuff. WBG doesn't actually PUSH Hopeless at all. Just look at his filter. He is only pushing SLOosh. Even when voting Hopeless, he is pushing SlOosh. He dissmisses all my accusations with that he wanted to keep the voting close. I do agree with that keeping the voting close is a nice thing to do as town, however its not a very relevant part of my case at all. I'm not pushing him for the fact THAT he swapped his vote, but rather how he did it.

Now, ask youself this. Almost ALL day, SlOosh was leading in votes. If WBG really did want to keep the voting close and were fine with both Hopeless and SlOosh lynches, why did he push SlOosh and not Hopeless?

Also, Look at SlOosh last analytical post, he has some good points on WBG as well. WBG is scum for me no matter what Hopeless flips.

On January 20 2013 21:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Do explain!

On January 20 2013 22:07 Lazermonkey wrote:
Then don't you think its strange that WBG is trying to get cred because he tried hard to make the lynch as close as possible while he was actually pushing towards the opposite?

He did state quite explicit that he HAD them both down as scum and that he did in fact feel indifferent about who to lynch. Yet he chose only to push SlOosh even tho Hopeless was behind in votes almost all day.

On January 21 2013 07:52 Hopeless1der wrote:

Its LYLO tomorrow. Town reads are meaningless.

On January 21 2013 07:36 grush57 wrote:
hapa, seriosuly u literally did nothing this whole game, and notice how he doesn't refute it he just edits my post pulling the ol' scum strawman argument. You are absolutely nothing alike in your town games.
##Unvote
##Vote: HapaHauli

On January 21 2013 08:34 Hopeless1der wrote:


ORLY? It sure doesn't seem that way. SS had me as town, see his last list post:

+ Show Spoiler +

Prom had me as annoying and trolly but consistent with my town meta
+ Show Spoiler +

Thrawn was not willing to support my wagon:

Also, he seems to remember this being representative of my town play:

---

But Hey, you want townreads, because you've made such superior use of them so far, right?

On January 21 2013 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sorry guys, I failed there. I was too stubborn and didn't go with my doubts.

Good news though is that, though we have to lynch correctly tomorrow, it's actually quite a bit easier now. We basically have a free lynch in grush IMO and Lazer is still quite likely to flip scum too.

On January 13 2013 12:34 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa you aren't acting townie. You are actively pushing logical falsehoods for some reason and I don't get why. A more spammy version of the dumb or scum conundrum.

I'm just pointing out how your logic is bad. ---->I was useless as scum, i'm useless right now, therefore I must be scum.
Bad reasoning.. one example of many in the thread so far.

@hapa are you saying stupid shit just because you like to talk a lot? why are you using bad logic?

On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote:


this guy is scum.
Also because hopeless is too...

##Vote: Hopeless1dr

On January 21 2013 02:54 grush57 wrote:
I'll go for a lazermonkey lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: lazermonkey

Also Mr. Zentor you are a confirmed town and you are doing absolute jack shit with it.

On January 22 2013 14:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
okay so including the RB claim, why would Hapa as scum push Hopeless so hard with not even a shred of a backup plan?

Would a scum really suicidally push a townie that hard? I'm not getting that part at all.

sure, some of his reads look strange in hindsight, after knowing that Hopeless flipped town, but I think you can find town motivation behind most, if not all, of the things that he did. I'm super confused at why a scum, who knows Hopeless is town (and that Hopeless is one of the better players in the game) would just push him so hard for two days straight with not even an ounce of hesitation.

Tunnel-syndrome is almost exclusive to townies. If anyone has seen Hapa play a scum game before in this style I'd love to see it, It is troubling that he didn't do a read-dump and that he's afk now but this is mind boggling to me.

On January 23 2013 06:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
well he's not back yet and if he doesn't care about the lynch then I'm fine with him dying.

I'm not going to bother defending someone who doesn't even want to defend themselves, so if he's town then the loss is on him.

On January 23 2013 07:10 wherebugsgo wrote:


wait, when was that?

I don't remember grush attacking him like that. I remember him switching off Hopeless and onto Hapa. There is nothing particularly alignment indicative about anything grush has done.

If grush is not scum, then I take it you argue that Lazer + jay are?

Is Lazer 100% scum then?

I don't see grush not being scum, tbh.

On January 23 2013 17:04 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the votecounts and Hapa's interactions with other players solve the game.

It pretty much has to be lazer + grush I think.

Let's start with the votecounts, starting with day 1.

Day 1:

Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der

Hapa votes Ruuch, which makes it almost impossible for Ruuch to be mafia. It was a latecycle switch and I don't see a scum hapa being willing to switch on his own teammate, since mafia cannot accurately predict what town will do in that type of a situation. Lazer also happened to vote Ruuch. (and yes, my vote is there too)

This makes iamp surely town.

d2 votecount doesn't really mean much, since from a mafia perspective the lynch was between two townies.

d3 we have Hopeless dying and here's where things are interesting.

Hopeless1der (5): Hapahauli, Xatalos, jaybrundage, Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo
Lazermonkey (3): Hopeless1der, MrZentor, iamperfection
Hapahauli (1): grush57

There are three townies on lazer. That means the three scum have to be between grush and everyone on Hopeless.

Grush at some point was on Hopeless, but didn't like the hopeless lynch. Grush is not stupid-he trolls, but he is smart enough to know that voting Hapa randomly in the middle of a divided wagon like that is not going to get hapa lynched. He wasted his vote here. If he had simply placed it on Lazer then lazer would have had 4 votes, meaning that any one townie who switched off Hopeless onto lazer would've killed lazer over hopeless.

Also, it fits with this really weird tendency by scum to stay off the same wagon. I've only once ever seen all the mafia on a team place their votes on the same wagon. It almost never happens, they are generally aware enough to not make that kind of trend pop out even though ultimately no one looks for it that much.

Now, do one thing:

take the word "grush", and open Hapa's filter in a new tab. ctrl-f, paste.

Notice the difference between how Hapa talks about grush and how he talks about pretty much every other player in the game. Notice how he questions people about grush but almost never talks to him, makes a read of his own about him, or in general really takes a stance either way about him.

Note how when he is asked to make reads, he makes a singular, relatively weak post about grush, and then, unlike all of the other players he talks about, chooses to quote himself in order to reiterate what he said previously.

Scum HATE to make opinions on players, especially their own teammates. They'll do a lot of different things to avoid talking about scumbuddies, and avoidance is the keyword when it comes to hapa regarding grush. He also asks several times, with other players, notably myself and Hopeless, why we think grush is scum. He didn't seem to care all that much about us calling other players scum, so why did he care so much about grush despite not really providing a read of his own there?

This is reinforced in the other direction by the incredibly strange stance change that grush took. He was voting Hopeless and then suddenly randomly he simply dumped his vote onto Hapa. It made no sense except as a distance attempt, knowing that Hopeless would flip town.

The second thing I'd like you all to do while the Hapa filter is open, is ctrl-f kush. At some point you will run into the phrase "kush is being kush". This phrase is only used twice by Hapa. Once, saying "grush is being grush", and once, "kush is being kush." Coincidence? I don't think so. Remember, kush got replaced by lazer. I was suspicious of kush d1.

Now, look again at how Hapa interacts with kush. He calls him useless, says he's being scummy, and in general gives vibes that he actually thinks kush is scum when he interacts directly with kush. However, with other players, he refuses to put a read on kush! He refuses to say either way what he thinks of kush.

The last thing to do here is to search lazer, obviously. This is better, but ONLY because Lazer was a replacement. Hapa uses the replacement as an excuse to push off his read of lazer, and he talks about lazer the most but really doesn't ultimately say anything about his alignment if you read carefully.

Sorry for the shitty formatting but I wanted to get this all out before I went to bed.

On January 24 2013 10:30 grush57 wrote:
WBG, you forgot one thing.

STARSENSES!

Also you're over thinking the vote I thought hopeless was dead and wanted to show my vote on Hapa.

And Lazermonkey is lurking so lynch him?

On January 25 2013 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
Jay

Well, after really analysing his filter, I must say he looks far far worse than grush.

1. His vote on Hopeless.
All of Jay's votes this far has been super funky. But the one who is by far the most funky is his vote on hopeless. + Show Spoiler +Just look how he goes from, ''I have a slight town read on Hopeless regardless of SlOosh flipping scum or not'' to ''I think Hopeless is scum because SlOosh flipped SK''. He doesn't actully give out any reasoning for voting Hopeless what so ever. Even better, he doesn't actually push Hopeless at all and before Hopeless is lynched, he asks Hopeless to give out his reads in case he is town (Lol). Instead he goes on to poke a bit on grush for lurking.

2. His interactions with Hapa
self-explanatory + and I did post about this earlier.

3. He doesn't really have any town reads.
Giving out town reads usually isn't alignment indicative. But the way Jay does it, I feel it is. His only real town reads (and by ''real'', I'm excluding stuff like null/slight town shit) were WBG and MrZentor. Both for shit reasons. WBG because he said that it made no sense for both him and SlOosh and WBG to be scum but SlOosh hadn't even flipped at that point. MrZentor because he defended him at the start if D1... I get the impression that he is trying to buddy up with the vets while setting up bandwagons everywhere else.

4. His back and forth with grush
Note that this is actually not that dependant on grush being scum, though it does indeed make him look worse if grush is indeed scum. Basically all game he has got a scum read on grush it seems, yet he doesn't want to vote him nor truly push him. He just keeps on poking him a little bit now and then. Very non-commital. Look at British Empire MM where he had a scum read on Mr.CC and note the big diference compared to this game. In both game he was having a scum read who noone else was really interested in. In British, he kept pushing Mr. CC like a madman. In this game, not so much. Also, why no vote on grush? In British he mentions CC for like the third time ever in the game and BAM, vote right away.+ Show Spoiler +Even now, he hasn't voted grush. He keeps on pushing him like mad, yet he says we should vote for me tomorrow.

On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum.

On January 13 2013 12:30 kushm4sta wrote:
i was lying i guess

On January 14 2013 04:01 kushm4sta wrote:
mrz is playing scum how I play scum aka newbish.
he has these amazing town reads
revoting mrz
##unvote
##vote mrz

On January 18 2013 02:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
/Facepalm

How does me sheeping SS make me scum, Lol? He is one of the two players in the game who is in fact confirmed town. And I didn't vote SlOosh for the reasons that SS thought made SlOosh scum. I'm purely sheeping WBG.

On January 18 2013 02:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
SlOosh.

I'm not too sure of the next two players as my main scum target died tonight...

However, I'm quite sure the two remaining scum are among

Hapa
grush
Xata
Jay
Iamp
MrZentor.

On January 18 2013 23:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
This is actually quite interesting, Xata realizes that WBG isn't happening and says that both looks scummy but it's unlikely that both are scum. He then chooses to vote Hopeless, even tho my impression from the post is that he just as well could've voted hopeless. I don't think Hopeless and Xatalos are scum together. It makes no sense with the lynch this close to buss.

On January 21 2013 07:18 Lazermonkey wrote:
WBG, how does hopeless flipping scum make grush look bad? O.o

I'd say it makes him look townie, he has been pushing Hopeless since D1 you know..

On January 13 2013 14:58 grush57 wrote:
Lynch into hopeless, zentor, xatalos gogogo.

On January 15 2013 05:55 grush57 wrote:
Alright I'll get on the prome train.
Choo Choo!
##Unvote
##Vote: Promethelax

On January 17 2013 06:48 grush57 wrote:
Sorry guys I know I've been afk but I can't help that.
If there's any consolation, i am town because of starsenses.

##Vote: Hopeless1dr

On January 20 2013 13:19 grush57 wrote:
Seeing hopeless' flip makes or breaks the reads bro.

On January 21 2013 02:54 grush57 wrote:
I'll go for a lazermonkey lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: lazermonkey

Also Mr. Zentor you are a confirmed town and you are doing absolute jack shit with it.

On January 21 2013 07:36 grush57 wrote:
hapa, seriosuly u literally did nothing this whole game, and notice how he doesn't refute it he just edits my post pulling the ol' scum strawman argument. You are absolutely nothing alike in your town games.
##Unvote
##Vote: HapaHauli

On January 24 2013 06:41 grush57 wrote:
The case on WBG:

His first post with Hapa, so nice with his scumbuddy


Next post with Hapa


Hey wbg scumbuddy, you've pushed a probably town, but that stopped when you sheeped a wagon that you didn't vote for.No scumreads.
Geez, your stupid, but definitely not scum. Notice How he doesn't actually adress anything in the post that matters, just corrects a little thing.

Here is a post of how constantly throughout the game the scum do a shitty attack against eachother but never a real case



A town is getting lynched, but I;m not gonna bother to save him.


Let's look at the bolds first, jay(probably town at this point, me(town), zentor flipped town, xatalos(probably town at this point), and ruuch who is now iamperfection so probably town.
This also shows who voted for ruuch, Happa, Lazer, and WBG. :o I wonder why they wanted the easy mislynch

Besides the scummy logic notice the capital LOL

WBG was completely wrong on this too.

The only big case he made was on...... the SK! The only time he seemed town was pushing Sloosh because sloosh was acting scummy, but he was sk.

Hey I know you're town so I'm going to pull the classic move of making a town make reads for me.
Also
Hopeless - Town
Xatalos - Prolly town
Zentor- Town
Prome- Town




I am admitting to be lazy scum. Also lets mislynch hopeless.



...





Contradicting scum. That was just one post of why it was stupid to think that a vet town wbg would get shot by scum. When not in danger he puts himself townie, but when ind anger changes it up brohan.




So this was when it was between Hopeless and Lazer. It came down to wbg, and pretended to give a possibility of lynching lazer. In less than an hour he voted Hopeless mislynching him, because he called him scum. OMGUS... Also Lazermonkey just lurked and didn't even try to defend himself but he hopeless has shit reads therefore he is scum?

So basically throughout the game WBG has constantly contradicted himself, threw votes anywhere, put shitty attacks on scummates, always tried to mislynch(except for the sk), and even today he tried to vote me instead of Hapa at first. Strawman arguments, picks out one flaw of an attack and doesn't respond to the actual matter at hands.

I hope you all go throughout his filter aswell and make some reads yourself. I feel like I didn't get everything there was just too much scumminess.

On January 25 2013 07:57 iamperfection wrote:
grush should die first imo

On January 25 2013 08:11 iamperfection wrote:

that is correct but he wasnt in this game very long i would put more stock into kush's actions. Plus since lazer is still in the game that is how i would judge it.

On January 25 2013 13:27 jaybrundage wrote:

Given Grush and Lazer are coming together to try to lynch make makes it seem a hell of a lot more likely for one of them to be scum.

Similar to how Z-bo and Yamato went for the same mislynch at LYLO in British Mafia.


##Vote LazerMonkey

But at this point I would be willing to lynch either as scum.


WBG whats your thoughts on the grush lazer scum team?

Any preference on who we lynch between the two?

On January 25 2013 15:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
rofl I have something funny for you guys.

I'll be completely honest, I saw grush vote at the top of the page and I was like why the fuck is grush voting at night?

I thought my post on the previous post caused the new page to come up, meaning I missed the daypost and Lazer's ninjavote.

LOL.

Anyway, let's kill grush today.

##vote grush57

On January 25 2013 17:08 Lazermonkey wrote:
It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then?

On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Jay's response

1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again?

2. My point still stands.

3. Okay, fair enough.

4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him...

Also:Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.

On January 26 2013 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
supposing LM is town and has come to the conclusion that grush + jay are the scum it would make far more sense for his vote to be against grush, rather than with grush.

On January 26 2013 04:23 Lazermonkey wrote:
Yay, Xata is here.

Naw, I never said I got a town read on grush. I said I got town vibes from his post. He is still my 2:d scum read atm, not as scummy as Jay but still probebly scum. I have played like 3/4(don't really remember o.O) games with him this far and I don't think I've ever seen him be emotional before. Obviously, that's not exactly alignment indicative, however I get the impression that he actually meant the words he wrote.

I want to lynch Jay today because my read on him is faaar stronger and that will give us an extra 72 to determine grush's alignment. You have any more thoughts on him? What's your take on his interactions with Hapa for example? Don't think you've mentioned them yet.

On January 13 2013 11:16 jaybrundage wrote:

I have no idea. Im assuming its a meta case. I dont recall playing with grush although the name is familiar. I look forward to his case tho. His response to it is odd. A vote for a vote i guess? Dont know what ot make if it.

On January 22 2013 10:44 jaybrundage wrote:
Welp Zentor died told that bastard to post >.<

I haven't really thought of hapa much as scum but you guys bring up some good points . His lack of posting is a pretty big warning sign. Also as Ziggler pointed out Hapa hates people lurking and he always does his best to prod the town and push the town and drive discussion This game I havent seen that from him.

Also the fact that hapa hasn't been shot is suspect. However the same can be said of WBG as both are vets that know how to play a good town.

The more I look over hapa the less I see him as town and the more scummy he looks.

However grush is also really scummy his consistent lack of contributing and last day he threw his vote to the side he didn't even want a choice in deciding the lynch candidate. Like what the hell is that?

Im going to have to look things over again. But Iamp is making some good sense.

##Vote Hapahauli

On January 26 2013 04:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
right, if grush's motivation for lynching jay is that it would put jay in a winnable spot, it makes sense.

I actually think I agree with that. Both grush and jay are afk currently, if they don't want to pull their weight on this then they're both the scum.

On January 26 2013 04:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
No, because it's diferent in his situation. He actually called Hopeless slight town independant of SlOosh alignment. Most of you guys just said that Hopeless were looking scummy but SlOosh was likelier scum. It was quite clear that they both couldn't be scum so then it makes sense to first have a town read on Hopeless but then change your mind once he actually flips SK.

For Jay, I feel he just saw everyone going after Hopeless and thought that because ''everyone is using this SlOosh flipped SK argument, then why can't I?'' when it in fact doesn't make any sense to change your read in that position.

On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?

Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.

I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.

On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:


Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.

I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.

On January 26 2013 20:03 Lazermonkey wrote:
WBG, if your only possible scum teams involve Jay (+me or grush) at this point I suggest we we kill Jay today then.
##Unvote
##Vote: jaybrundage

On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Grush57

As i said im fine with either grush or lazer

On January 27 2013 00:03 jaybrundage wrote:

Does it make sense logically no it doesn't. But due to my absent in the game with internet problems. I felt it better to sheep vets I had town reads on them to refuse to lynch someone I had a mostly null read on. While it's not optimal play I wasn't confident in my own reads to go against some vets I had a town read on.

Also I'm in NYC for some of the weekend for my aunts 25 anniversary. So hopefully I can be a bit more active.

Xatalos what's your opinions on the scum team?

Do you think that Grush Lazer if the most likely. The only other one I can think of that would make sense would be WBG Lazer.