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Lazermonkey
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##Vote: Hopeless WBG Wbgs vote pattern yesterday is veeery funky indeed. He voted/unvoted between SlOosh and Hopeless no less than 5(!) times. Let's look a little bit closer at all this. The first vote On January 16 2013 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote: After this WBG goes on to put HEAVY pressure on SlOosh, points out several things in SlOosh play that makes him scum. ##vote slOosh This vote is not moving until you give me your scumreads and reasons. If I do not believe you, then you will die today. The second vote On January 16 2013 13:02 wherebugsgo wrote: While admittedly I think he is getting convinced by the guy he thinks he scum a little bit too fast, I don't really see any problem with this vote. He did state quite explicit that he had Hopeless down as scum.ah, I was still on the previous page when I started writing that. alright, fair enough. Let's bring out Hopeless and then we can move onto this slOosh business later. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der The third vote On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Now, this is when things start to get fishy. WBG states that because he read my post about about Hopeless play last game and how its similar to last game, he is now much more inclined to belive that Hopeless looks town, or at least much better. However, I have a hard time thinking this is what actually happend. In last game, all of us three were town. Me and WBG were heavily suspicious of Hopeless that game(WBG filter). Both of us were pushing him hard core. I have a hard time seeing that WBG just forgot all this in a few days and needed my post as a reminder, especially since he seems to be a guy remembering things like this. For example, he was very fast at dissmissing my accusations against Jay PURELY based on meta from another game, a game that was played about a month ago. alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this. slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum. ##unvote ##vote slOosh Also note how during the time that he voted Hopeless, He doesn't really pressure him at all. He only has one post asking Hopeless about whether or not he is willing to lynch into SlOosh or not. This is in stark difference to when he was pushing SlOosh scum. The forth vote On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote: Once again, this is a very scummy vote. In just three hours he went from saying that he liked Hopeless posting much more, that he saw similarities to his last game and that SlOosh was scum to the opposite. Hopeless doesn't actually post even once during the time between the third and forth vote. WBG is instead convinced by Hapa's arguments on the issue. During the time between those two votes WBG goes on to say that Hopeless is a good lynch once again. But what happend with Hopeless improved posting? What happend with the meta read that made him look more town? And during this time, WBG still seems convinced that SlOosh is a good lynch, yet he votes Hopeless. alright. I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der He also tells us to conolidate which is strange because the votecount at this point was looking like this: On January 17 2013 01:50 Dandel Ion wrote: Votecount: slOosh (4): jaybrundage, wherebugsgo, thrawn, MrZentor Hopeless1der (2): Hapahauli, slOosh Lazermonkey (1): Hopeless1der wherebugsgo (1): Xatalos Not voting (3): iamperfection, grush57, Lazermonkey Currently, slOosh is set to be lynched! ~31 hours until deadline. The fifth and final vote On January 18 2013 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Not much to say. WBG doesn't really motivate this swap at all and would he have voted Hopeless, hopeless would've died.yes, let's speculate about an SK for no reason at all... let's see what happens if I do this: ##unvote ##vote slOosh Summary: WBG is flipping his vote like a mad man between Hopeless and SlOosh. However, while he is pushing SlOsh hard, he doesn't push hopeless at all. He even pushes SlOosh while he is voting Hopeless. As for the last scum, I'm not sure. My best guess at this point is grush because of the simple explanation that I have a town read, albeit not too strong, on every else. | ||
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On January 20 2013 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer's vote: I beg to differ. My bugs case is based on several points. The fact that he votes you but pushes SlOosh at the same time, the fact that he changes his opinion on who to vote on very... peculiar reasons, the fact that he didn't take meta in account before I pointed it out, etc are all stuff that makes him look bad even if you aren't scum. Convenient that my town-meta can't be used to defend me anymore, now that you need to justify a vote on me. You're entire bugs case is associative contingent on me flipping scum (I won't). It's almost worth it to die, with the exception that I don't trust anyone to follow through once they realize you haven't properly hunted scum all game. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 20 2013 06:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't tell whether Lazer being dumb is him being scum or not. Anyway some of my reasons to switch votes were lazy or waffly (or deceptive even) but I did want both slOosh and Hopeless to stay relevant lynches. I could have said nothing at all and I would have done the vote switches anyway. That's why, for example, my vote was on Hopeless for the majority of the time. He was consistently behind in votes. If I swapped over to slOosh at a bad time then it would make a Hopeless lynch less likely, because a net 2 vote switch is likely to scare off all the noobs into making real stances. If you're town and can't understand why I would want a close lynch, and why I would be interested in forcing scum to take sides like that, then I'd suggest you reread Ver's town guide. So, how am I being dumb if your reason for voting someone is deceptive(even from your own PoV)? I can buy that you wanted to hold the voting close. But that isn't a very relevant part of the case anyway. For example, it doesn't explain the fact that you first say that hopeless looks much better after his post + the fact that he played similar to this last game as town and then moments later say that he is just as scummy SlOosh. It also doesn't explain the fact that you didn't push Hopeless at all during the day, while you were pushing SlOosh like no tomorrow. | ||
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On January 20 2013 19:57 Xatalos wrote: Hopeless flipping scum would obviously make WBG look much worse. But even then, it doesn't actually explain some stuff. WBG doesn't actually PUSH Hopeless at all. Just look at his filter. He is only pushing SLOosh. Even when voting Hopeless, he is pushing SlOosh. He dissmisses all my accusations with that he wanted to keep the voting close. I do agree with that keeping the voting close is a nice thing to do as town, however its not a very relevant part of my case at all. I'm not pushing him for the fact THAT he swapped his vote, but rather how he did it. This is pretty much based on WBG trying to save his scumbuddy Hopeless, I guess. If Hopeless flips town, is WBG still scum in your mind? What makes WBG scum outside of this connection? Now, ask youself this. Almost ALL day, SlOosh was leading in votes. If WBG really did want to keep the voting close and were fine with both Hopeless and SlOosh lynches, why did he push SlOosh and not Hopeless? Also, Look at SlOosh last analytical post, he has some good points on WBG as well. WBG is scum for me no matter what Hopeless flips. | ||
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On January 20 2013 21:00 Xatalos wrote: Do explain! It made me suspicious of WBG earlier how he had called almost everyone scum at some point, but mostly just posted lists with 3-5 scum suspects (being fine with lynching any of them). That was a really vague and scummy way to approach the lynches. Your point about him pushing Sloosh and not focusing on Hopeless is actually more townish in itself than being vague and open about the choice. Of course it can be considered as helping his scumbuddy, although that's pretty blatant and risky as well. All in all I'd say that Hopeless flipping scum makes WBG look a bit worse, but not scummy enough to be lynch-worthy considering his overall behaviour during D2. He was basically the leading poster and thread pusher for the whole day. It's really hard to imagine for scum to take so much responsibility over the discussion. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 20 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote: Then don't you think its strange that WBG is trying to get cred because he tried hard to make the lynch as close as possible while he was actually pushing towards the opposite? If we assume that WBG is town (so he has no information about the alignments of Sloosh or Hopeless), it feels natural to push one of the main lynch candidates over the other one. It would in fact feel unnatural to just be indifferent about which one of them gets lynched as town. He did state quite explicit that he HAD them both down as scum and that he did in fact feel indifferent about who to lynch. Yet he chose only to push SlOosh even tho Hopeless was behind in votes almost all day. | ||
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On January 21 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote: People think that I'm looking scummy atm. People think that Hopeless is looking scummy atm. Most people thought that Hopeless were looking worse up untill some hours ago. Then Hopeless writes EXACTLY what scum would write in the situation he is in(he keeps on pushing his scum reads, but he doesn't really add anything substantial to the case against me at all nor does he actually give out any other reads). Then 3 people vot swap from him to me. seems like to me your asking the wrong questions. are scum on this wagon. am i scum . what do you think is going on. hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm To be fair, if Hopeless is scum I don't think you are. Scum would most likely not swap in this situation because: 1. It is by no means decided by your vote who is going to die. Hopeless may very well die anyway in which case you look much worse. 2. You do create discussion. If Hopeless is town then you could very well be scum because you are trying to look like you are contributing and that you actually care about the lynch, when the only two alternatives for tonights lynch is two townies. Zentor is obviously town so nothing to say here. Grush alignment, like I said earlier, depends alot on Hopeless alignment. I don't think they are both scum. They could be both town, though I doubt it. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 21 2013 06:06 Hopeless1der wrote: FixedI am scum Lazer is town So, on a more serious note. Why should you want to vote hopeless? D1 - he calls me scum and Prom town. Yet he only watches while Prom gets misslynched and doesn't push me for shit. He instead comments on MrZentor. N1 - He lurks. D2 - He calls Hapa scum based purely on OMGUS. N2 - He lurks. D3 - When he is on the edge of getting misslynched, what does he do? He echo's his thoughts from earlier days. He actually doesn't contribute for shit. This is like exactly the opposite of what you would want to do as town. If he were town, he would do his very best giving out ALL of his reads so that it can help us. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 21 2013 07:07 Hopeless1der wrote: Hopeless, you realise that a good move as town would be to actually give YOUR reads on ALL people in this situation? Yeah I thought so bugs. Xata or jay, your assistance would be greatly appreciated in the kill lazermonkey endeavor. | ||
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I'd say it makes him look townie, he has been pushing Hopeless since D1 you know.. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Wait, you don't care about the game? But then why take the time to even post this? Why take the time to write a case on both me and Hapa? It doesn't actually matter about what response you will get. Its not only about you avoiding to get lynched anymore but also about you giving town reads we can trust to 100%.After the responses I've been getting all game? Nah I'll be indignant and obnoxious thank you. Less rage inducing for me. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 21 2013 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: I think you are remembering incorrectly then : /Lol I'm in a sushi bar not giving much of a fuck, I was trying to remind myself to log out too :p As for grush, I don't think his vote is necessarily where his mouth is, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 21 2013 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote: Some of your town reads are from daaays ago. And for some of them you don't even give any reasoning what so ever. That isn't very helpfull at all. Do you think you are helping town by just sitting here doing jack shit instead?If the town can't figure out my town reads based on my filter when I flip...I just... I don't even. I'm not kind of scummy on you and hapa, you're strong reads, so giving town reads on the rest of the player base is redundant | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 21 2013 07:36 grush57 wrote: If hopeless flips scum(I'm guessing you still think he is scum), do you think Hapa is scum still? You know Hapa is like the very reason Hopeless is getting lynched right now... hapa, seriosuly u literally did nothing this whole game, and notice how he doesn't refute it he just edits my post pulling the ol' scum strawman argument. You are absolutely nothing alike in your town games. ##Unvote ##Vote: HapaHauli | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:37 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: And what do you say about the last scum? you said some time ago that you thought that Xata was scum with me and Hapa. Do you still stand by this?Some of your town reads are from daaays ago. And for some of them you don't even give any reasoning what so ever. That isn't very helpfull at all. Do you think you are helping town by just sitting here doing jack shit instead? | ||
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