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On January 20 2013 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote: BTW I mentioned a town RB targeting Xata/Hapa being dumb but a JK on those same targets would not be, so my previous assessment didn't mention that. Because of that we can't really tell too much from the RB claims IMO. Oh yeah, that's certainly possible. | ||
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On January 20 2013 09:44 Lazermonkey wrote: So, how am I being dumb if your reason for voting someone is deceptive(even from your own PoV)? I can buy that you wanted to hold the voting close. But that isn't a very relevant part of the case anyway. For example, it doesn't explain the fact that you first say that hopeless looks much better after his post + the fact that he played similar to this last game as town and then moments later say that he is just as scummy SlOosh. It also doesn't explain the fact that you didn't push Hopeless at all during the day, while you were pushing SlOosh like no tomorrow. This is pretty much based on WBG trying to save his scumbuddy Hopeless, I guess. If Hopeless flips town, is WBG still scum in your mind? What makes WBG scum outside of this connection? | ||
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On January 20 2013 13:19 grush57 wrote: Seeing hopeless' flip makes or breaks the reads bro. Who is scum if Hopeless flips scum? What if he flips town? This is just a complete waste of time holding reads until N3. | ||
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On January 20 2013 09:47 Lazermonkey wrote: Jay: If Hopeless is scum, I think it is perfectly possible that they would just buss him, given the situation he is in. Yeah, there's no way scum would reveal themselves by resisting a lynch with such huge support. I would bus really hard right now in their shoes. It's a lost cause even attempting to save Hopeless at this point. | ||
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On January 20 2013 20:33 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless flipping scum would obviously make WBG look much worse. But even then, it doesn't actually explain some stuff. WBG doesn't actually PUSH Hopeless at all. Just look at his filter. He is only pushing SLOosh. Even when voting Hopeless, he is pushing SlOosh. He dissmisses all my accusations with that he wanted to keep the voting close. I do agree with that keeping the voting close is a nice thing to do as town, however its not a very relevant part of my case at all. I'm not pushing him for the fact THAT he swapped his vote, but rather how he did it. Now, ask youself this. Almost ALL day, SlOosh was leading in votes. If WBG really did want to keep the voting close and were fine with both Hopeless and SlOosh lynches, why did he push SlOosh and not Hopeless? Also, Look at SlOosh last analytical post, he has some good points on WBG as well. WBG is scum for me no matter what Hopeless flips. It made me suspicious of WBG earlier how he had called almost everyone scum at some point, but mostly just posted lists with 3-5 scum suspects (being fine with lynching any of them). That was a really vague and scummy way to approach the lynches. Your point about him pushing Sloosh and not focusing on Hopeless is actually more townish in itself than being vague and open about the choice. Of course it can be considered as helping his scumbuddy, although that's pretty blatant and risky as well. All in all I'd say that Hopeless flipping scum makes WBG look a bit worse, but not scummy enough to be lynch-worthy considering his overall behaviour during D2. He was basically the leading poster and thread pusher for the whole day. It's really hard to imagine for scum to take so much responsibility over the discussion. | ||
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If we assume that WBG is town (so he has no information about the alignments of Sloosh or Hopeless), it feels natural to push one of the main lynch candidates over the other one. It would in fact feel unnatural to just be indifferent about which one of them gets lynched as town. | ||
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On January 20 2013 22:07 Lazermonkey wrote: Then don't you think its strange that WBG is trying to get cred because he tried hard to make the lynch as close as possible while he was actually pushing towards the opposite? He did state quite explicit that he HAD them both down as scum and that he did in fact feel indifferent about who to lynch. Yet he chose only to push SlOosh even tho Hopeless was behind in votes almost all day. Well, the end result WAS close. With Hapa pushing Hopeless so hard, I can see it being more useful to push Sloosh, even if it made no big difference to him personally. I'm just trying to see the town logic here, and I think it's more likely than openly helping out his scumbuddy. Although that's a possible scenario, but it depends completely on Hopeless flipping scum, and even then it means WBG was playing very greedily by openly saving his scumbuddy. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Its LYLO tomorrow. Town reads are meaningless. Scumreads are more useful than townreads, but townreads are more useful than no reads at all. Surely you could understand this if you were town. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:36 grush57 wrote: hapa, seriosuly u literally did nothing this whole game, and notice how he doesn't refute it he just edits my post pulling the ol' scum strawman argument. You are absolutely nothing alike in your town games. ##Unvote ##Vote: HapaHauli So your current scumteam is Hapa, Lazermonkey, iamperfection? At least that's what I managed to translate from your filter. Your filter has very little reasoning though and absolutely nothing about why iamperfection is scum. With that said, I don't like Hapa's play in this game either. He's barely even mentioned anyone but Hopeless since D1... I don't see both Hopeless and Hapa being scum though. If Hopeless happens to flip town, Hapa's scumminess level will rise significantly at the same time. | ||
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On January 21 2013 08:34 Hopeless1der wrote: ORLY? It sure doesn't seem that way. SS had me as town, see his last list post: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2013 01:10 supersoft wrote: scumlist scumminess from bottom to top. The higher the townier: supersoft thrawn2112 - refused to say he's town "yes, i wonder this as well" lol. yeah sure. i dont buy it. "it'd be fun to be a scumteam again, skyping was more fun than posting in the real thread in that game" - pointless - "no/yes of course, duh" -votes sloosh good case on sloosh. + catches wbgs bad case + keeps up agressive scumhunting. + Hapahauli spammer townie ++ still annoys me with his pointless question about that possible scumslip of zentor. GOTTA READ MORE OF THIS GUY, FLYING UNDER MY RADAR Hopeless1der § I am town. + excuse - First, I'm no longer convinced of my scumread, but here's my explanation for my reasoning + SS should not have been able to retroactively apply Prom's post to wbg's "scum"read. - that doesnt matter at all, i wanted to give my current thoughts, and not something old. Good catch doesnt mean wbg catched him, it means in general a good catch right now in this particualr moment and not in the past. i didnt want to honor wbg here. Is also drastically out of place because he's half buddying sloosh while calling him scum and also, Sloosh has never exhibited suspicion towards Zentor, showing SS is not reading the thread. complete meaningless. I just wanted something to talk about with sloosh. My vote never is graved in stone. = votes me for terrible reasons okay case against lazer + MrZentor "Super, Jay is town. -.-" scumslip ? is the older cousin. defend is naturally - how does he know he's town, is still the question says he can read jay because of one post of his -- wrong thought about what scum does and what not. confuses kush and jay even though jay is his cousin? makes good jokes and sees that wbg is strange ++ Xatalos understands me + actively defending himself + grush57 I am town. + "How do you know? scum with supersoft hmm?" ++ disappeared ---- jaybrundage zentor says hes town + Ruuch newbie missing - wherebugsgo talks to me -/+ decent list + bad case terrible scumreads, abandoned prom?! Why on earth doesnt defend me, even though talks to me all the time. defends me finally, cares to explain some things ++ as scum he should have lynched me. Probably too risky after zentor thrawn and hapa defended me? _________________________________________ no lynch d1 i am really undecided yet. I dont like the X-case - really hard to place him in my list. slOosh calls my stuff BS, hides behind common opinions -- bad case on easy xatalos - really bad reasoning accusing me --- votes prom !!! reasonable second appearance ++ _________________________________________ no lynch d1 Promethelax §§ pointless questions, didnt read -- terrible case on me, defending his scumbuddy sloosh case contains one quote of myself. extremely fake or extremely terrible. Either stupid as shit or scum. Ay did get his facts about me straight. Actually really read my meta ++ Votes Lazer Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey §§§ pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ He was also wrong about me last game. completely different playstyle compared to his townstyle. useless vote on Jay for bad reasons, i share hopeless opinion here. ## unvote right now i am really undecided. just wanted to leave you my updated list here. I won't be able to check the thread for a couple of hours Prom had me as annoying and trolly but consistent with my town meta + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2013 06:15 Promethelax wrote: He was scum in LC and Mario mini. Town recently in WC and British. Thrawn. I came into the thread late because of work, I posted a bad post because I felt I had to post and get into the thread. It was dumb. I don't think I am a victim. I didn't want to push the SS wagon hard anymore as I had a scummier scum read, I knew that the wagon would fall apart without me (have you ever seen Hopeless push a wagon well? Or scum Lazer?). I seriously don't understand people who sheep me. Which is why I questioned it. Last game I had you down as somewhat scummy and you kept not presenting the reasons for my play being 'anti-town' this game you just called be scum but without evidence. I can't refute you calling me scum. Now that you have some reasons I can refute those. They are wrong. My first post was bad but nothing I have done is scummy. I changed my mind on SS and Xat because I looked them over more. Sorry. I'm out for the night for real for real this time. I'm going to read dump since you guys might lynch me and I'd like to be somewhat useful to town before I go. Town: SloOsh: early interactions with Bugs and the casual tones in This post Hopeless: too trolly early on for scum hopeless, I don't like his play but it seems consistent with his town play. Grush: STARSENSES Do not lynch yet: Thrawn I had him down as town earlier, he was trying to figure things out. This shitty case on me needs to be looked at again though. Hapa: not enough from Hapa yet for me to call him scum. My gut says scum but I don't have any reason to believe it. Null: MrZ and Jay (I really just ignore them until later) Bugs (me no able to read him) Would lynch: Xat Ruuch SS Scum: LM Thrawn was not willing to support my wagon: Also, he seems to remember this being representative of my town play: But Hey, you want townreads, because you've made such superior use of them so far, right? Scumreads and townreads of dead players are only a small part of the big picture. You should understand, as town, that they can't be the main driving force in lynches, but they can still be helpful. Why don't you just do something that's pretty much certainly helpful for town and at worst has a neutral outcome? Unless it might give away something about your teammates of course. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Sorry guys, I failed there. I was too stubborn and didn't go with my doubts. Good news though is that, though we have to lynch correctly tomorrow, it's actually quite a bit easier now. We basically have a free lynch in grush IMO and Lazer is still quite likely to flip scum too. Do you mean grush is 100% Mafia or what? | ||
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MrZentor is confirmed town, so there's no point to talk about him. I'm fairly certain that WBG is town as well. He's been the most influential and active poster ever since D2, yet he hasn't done anything alarming during this time, which feels like an almost impossible task for Mafia. He's also been constantly pushing town agenda by actively discussing, controlling the voting process and sharing reads. I haven't played with iamperfection before, but his play seems very similar to his earlier town play and he's been reasonably active, so I think he's town for now. I had to do some re-evaluation after Hopeless flipped town, so I think scum could be among any of these following players, but some are more likely scum than others. jaybrundage I didn't like his D1 play at all, but he started to focus on scumhunting during N1 and D2. Then he almost completely stopped posting (apparently internet problems or something), although his rare posts were okayish. I think it's plausible for him to flip scum, but not likely enough to make him a decent lynch. Lazermonkey He's been a top suspect for most of the game, but I just couldn't see Kush behaving the way he did as scum. There aren't many choices left anymore, though, so by process of elimination (and lack of anything to really make me think of Lazermonkey as town) Lazermonkey has an okayish chance of flipping scum. Hapahauli If we look at just this one game, Hapahauli has played decently: pushed his scumreads, analyzed, posted a fairly good amount of content. But something is wrong. He has posted less and less frequently since the beginning (it's characteristic of scum to degrade in activity over time), led two mislynches (despite being a really good player) and used unusually bad logic (despite him usually having constantly sound logic): On January 13 2013 12:34 kushm4sta wrote: hapa you aren't acting townie. You are actively pushing logical falsehoods for some reason and I don't get why. A more spammy version of the dumb or scum conundrum. I'm just pointing out how your logic is bad. ---->I was useless as scum, i'm useless right now, therefore I must be scum. Bad reasoning.. one example of many in the thread so far. @hapa are you saying stupid shit just because you like to talk a lot? why are you using bad logic? None of these things were present when I played with town Hapa before! There's always the chance that he's just really having a bad game, but with all these combined, it feels like too much of a coincidence. A decent lynch IMO. grush57 He actually has 5 pages of filter but (almost) nothing valuable in all those posts. Mostly it's just fluff, vague remarks and other unhelpful small talk. He also flip-flops on his reads constantly and almost never gives reasoning for his reads and/or for the changes in them. This is a good example: On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote: this guy is scum. Also because hopeless is too... ##Vote: Hopeless1dr He is confident in Hopeless flipping scum (apparently?). But then: On January 21 2013 02:54 grush57 wrote: I'll go for a lazermonkey lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: lazermonkey Also Mr. Zentor you are a confirmed town and you are doing absolute jack shit with it. Jumping off the wagon for some reason (Hopeless' recent surge of activity?) when a good opportunity presents itself. No real reasoning for this HUGE change from clear scum -> don't lynch! Of course he can look better after Hopeless flips town, right? - - - Then we have to also consider grush's recent push for Hapa. I think it's weird for him to do that if they're both scum (not impossible but somewhat unlikely), so more likely one of them is scum and one is town. Hapa hasn't played up to his meta, but he has still played much better than pretty much anyone else, so I'd say grush is the safer lynch right now. And *safe* is the keyword at LYLO... There are no second chances anymore. | ||
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