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On January 13 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
the reasons I think xatalos could be scum
he's defending kush.... scum do that a lot
he's pushing jay.....scum do that a lot
he's participating in a lot of discussion that isn't related to scumhunting, it looks like he's arguing for the sake of arguing
i don't detect real suspicion in any of his posts
he's spending way too much time defending people and I don't think he's actually suspicious of anything
Well, take a look at my previous game. I was lynched because I couldn't get a solid scumread on anyone. I'm definitely trying my best, but it's this early. If I had to lynch someone at this spot, it would be Jay.
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On January 13 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote:
dont see the scumslip at all read his filter twice lol.
One day I will win your approval somehow though because I think your name is so awesome.
He does look hella scum tho. Defending EVERYONE for no reason.
##vote mrzentor
Look at MrZentor's meta. I think his filter is already bigger and filled with more content than ever before as town. And as scum he's much more quiet and passive than as town. That's a really pathetic vote if you're even thinking about reasons for it. And it's not "no reason" he's defending Jay, nor has he defended "everyone". Is this even a serious vote?
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On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz
other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row
Let me get this straight. You almost instantly leave the wagon after having voted, not because you see anything wrong in the wagon at all, but because it doesn't gain enough support for your liking. Then you proceed to throw some dirt on several additional players. It just fits a Mafia agenda too well and doesn't make any sense as town. Then again, your entrance to the thread was pretty suicidal from a Mafia perspective. But if I look at the recent pages (or even just this one post), Occam's razor says you're Mafia. Can you explain your behaviour?
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On January 13 2013 13:19 MrZentor wrote:
Well, he was in it, I suppose, but he didn't read the last half.
Well, you did make a huge comeback later in the game. But you've posted more stuff so far in this game than during the early game there...
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Well... I can actually relate to that kind of thinking. I was under heavy suspicion last game for switching my reads based on others' opinions. It's still scummy though, but on the other hand, it's a blatantly scummy thing to do that actual scum wouldn't do (at least so clearly). Conclusion? Tentatively town, purely based on you doing too many anti-town/scummy things for it to make any sense as scum. It sounds stupid, yeah, but it's actually logical. Playing like that makes you get heavy pressure and you end up most likely claiming scum at some point unless you're an amazing player.
(It's pronounced Ksatalos btw, lol)
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Should have quoted this post
On January 13 2013 14:00 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 13:53 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 13:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ss wtf now I feel dumb for going on your dumb wagon.. everyone hates it.
##unvote mz
other people who look kind of scummy: hapa for dumb logic,ss for being scared shitless that he has to play 2 scum games in a row Let me get this straight. You almost instantly leave the wagon after having voted, not because you see anything wrong in the wagon at all, but because it doesn't gain enough support for your liking. Then you proceed to throw some dirt on several additional players. It just fits a Mafia agenda too well and doesn't make any sense as town. Then again, your entrance to the thread was pretty suicidal from a Mafia perspective. But if I look at the recent pages (or even just this one post), Occam's razor says you're Mafia. Can you explain your behaviour? i read his filter twice i thought it was scummy. THEN everyone who knows his meta says he isn't scummy. he doesn't respond scummily. i dont think he's scummy is that explained enough to you? also your name is pronounced shatalos? sorry but this is relevant to me because I like to say it in my head.
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Also Jay, while you're here, do you think Kushm4sta is scum now? If not, who is your #1 read?
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Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.
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On January 13 2013 14:36 slOosh wrote:
Ok, enough second guessing, my case is gonna be on Xatalos. People should read up on his filter before reading my case so they can better look at it objectively. Next post will be case.
Okay, bring it on. Unfortunately I'm going to sleep now (it's morning here already lol) so I'll take a look at it sometime later.
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I'm gonna have some catching up to do. Here's the case from Sloosh that I unfortunately didn't see before going to bed.
On January 13 2013 15:18 slOosh wrote:The Xatalos case
Xatalos doesn't actually scumhunt. He asks strings of pointless questions, and brings up things and then doesn't provide any conclusions. Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:07 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum. Why are you even playing this game if you don't want to put in effort? I can't imagine scum playing like that, but that's still not an excuse to play anti-town. What is the purpose behind this post? First, it doesn't even make sense. Not being able to imagine scum playing like that has nothing to do with an excuse to play anti-town. Perhaps he thinks kush is town and wants him to shape up? Well then why does he contradict himself when he called out jay for doing the exact same thing? Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:27 Xatalos wrote:That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it. On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him. ~~~ On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him  I'll have no qualms about that. Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise. The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure. Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is. You can step it up, Or get lynched your call. That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need? Even the way he does it is strange. It doesn't directly say, 'hey jay is making out things that aren't there, jay is scummy for doing so'. It's more of an invitation for people to consider jay scummy without actually calling him scummy.
Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? Here is a really awkward defense of supersoft. A totally unjustified soft defense of someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it. Stands in stark contrast to finding jay's post 'too aggressive for his taste'.
Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 12:01 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
the reasons I think xatalos could be scum
he's defending kush.... scum do that a lot
he's pushing jay.....scum do that a lot
he's participating in a lot of discussion that isn't related to scumhunting, it looks like he's arguing for the sake of arguing
i don't detect real suspicion in any of his posts
he's spending way too much time defending people and I don't think he's actually suspicious of anything Well, take a look at my previous game. I was lynched because I couldn't get a solid scumread on anyone. I'm definitely trying my best, but it's this early. If I had to lynch someone at this spot, it would be Jay. This is the first time some pressure is applied on him. How does he handle it? It is a totally apologetic tone, mixed in with some appeasement (which contrasts to him "calling out jay" later on, even though nothing has really changed, not to mention that he doesn't mention at all jay's posts on supersoft, or supersoft's scummy second entrance). Scum apologize and make themselves seem smaller than they are (cf Ver's guide).
##Vote: Xatalos
1) False. You cherry-picked some general posts from my filter (everyone has those) and conveniently didn't mention any of those where I scumhunted or provided conclusions from my "pointless" (really?) questions.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=8#150
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#272
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#280
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#291
2) Kush is basically "too scummy to be scum". There's the lingering doubt in my mind that this is his risky meta-strategy, but when we use Occam's razor, the simplest solution = he genuinely doesn't care what town thinks about him. One might say that's a fake attitude, but it's hard to fake (it goes against basic Mafia survival instincts) and most of all it's very risky (usually controversial and scummy players get lynched after all).
With that out of the way, yeah, I think Kush is town. I had a moment of serious reconsideration after he quickly jumped off MrZentor and sheeped the popular opinions, but in the end, that's also a blatantly scummy thing to do. So it goes with the common theme of Kush not really caring how scummy he looks. (haha, looks also like Kush got replaced, I hope this means less anti-town play at least...)
You're right in that post questioning his playstyle being pretty useless though. I just typed it on a whim and didn't really consider if it would change anything or not. I don't actually understand what you mean with that contradiction. Please elaborate on that.
3) I wasn't completely certain if his post was scummy or not while typing that. I thought it worthwhile to put forth pressure in any case, making him potentially falter and scumslip. Nothing as exciting as that happened, though. But I did start to push harder after that.
4) Seriously, are you suggesting a Xatalos/supersoft connection based around me simply stating the fact that most likely supersoft was just trying to bait scumslips with his weird pressure? That's a really weak reason for thinking supersoft is scum. And I disagree, supersoft's insistent pressure was definitely a townish move. You can't say he "hadn't done anything to deserve defense" when he had clearly participated in pressure and was trying to get something out of Jay.
5) Once again, I know it's a scummy trait to be hesitant with reads, but after suffering from tunneling in my first two town games, I learned the hard way: everyone is innocent until proven guilty. No need to rush with exaggerated reads and confirmation bias, or scum will just have a field day while everyone is stubbornly accusing their personal suspect. Pressure and analysis is very important, but blind faith in your own reads and refusal to think of counter-arguments to yourself will leave you fooled and unable to see even the most obvious truth.
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On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.
Well, you already removed your first argument, so how did that affect your scumread on me? And I already explained that "soft defense" (stating a simple point about his probable intentions) in my previous post. How did that affect your read? I'm actually surprised how weak this reasoning is for your #1 scumread. Is that all there is to it?
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On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have. Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game. The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads. Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal?
I'm trying to find any actual scumhunting in your filter, but it's just not there.
- You called Kush scummy for entering the thread in an anti-town fashion (extremely easy to attack a controversial player like that, and you never pursued this read anyway - you even corrected that his play was anti-town and not scummy later, so what caused this significant change of wording?)
- You called supersoft useless (not scummy though - this stab at supersoft was extremely unimpactful, weak and definitely neither pressure nor scumhunting, it achieved nothing for the thread)
And now you actually freak out and start accusing me suddenly. Is the pressure too much? Why would a townie react like that? I bet it's because you're scum and desperate to get off this situation. Combined with your absolute lack of effort to progress scumhunting so far, you're a very decent lynch at the moment.
##Vote jaybrundage
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Damn it, I just have to get some sleep now (5 hours until wakeup to work). Going to reread the thread tomorrow and figure out some other players.
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On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch.
I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive.
Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card.
##vote Xatalos
Why Xatalos over SS I think both of played scummy so far. WBG Answer this plz. I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit. I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have. Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game. The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads. Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal? I'm trying to find any actual scumhunting in your filter, but it's just not there. - You called Kush scummy for entering the thread in an anti-town fashion (extremely easy to attack a controversial player like that, and you never pursued this read anyway - you even corrected that his play was anti-town and not scummy later, so what caused this significant change of wording?) - You called supersoft useless (not scummy though - this stab at supersoft was extremely unimpactful, weak and definitely neither pressure nor scumhunting, it achieved nothing for the thread) And now you actually freak out and start accusing me suddenly. Is the pressure too much? Why would a townie react like that? I bet it's because you're scum and desperate to get off this situation. Combined with your absolute lack of effort to progress scumhunting so far, you're a very decent lynch at the moment. ##Vote jaybrundage Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that. ##Vote Xatalos
What's with this vote? Let's look at the arguments:
- My case doesn't seem to have much merit (what's this supposed to mean? it does have some merit but not enough? how is that scummy?)
- You don't like my hard flip on Kush (as I said, I've had a townread on Kush ever since he entered the thread by grabbing attention, and only for a moment did I suspect him after one blatantly scummy post - after his response I concluded that it actually belonged well enough with his "too scummy to be scum" verdict and dropped that line of thought - there's a fast switch of stance there, but it's nothing out of the ordinary when considering his scummy posting and especially that one post)
- You say I've done less than you (really? all you've done is call Kush scummy for grabbing attention, take a stab at supersoft for being useless, and call me scum for... basically posting a case with some merit, giving serious thought to Kush's alignment and apparently doing less than yourself, although I've clearly been more active and taken more stances than you)
This whole case feels forced and unconvinced. Even more so with vague wording like "his attack of me doesn't seem to have much merit", "I don't like his posts" and "seems like hes trying to go for an easy mislynch" (and what the heck, how is this an "easy mislynch", since most people here think you're town?).
Speaking of that, MrZentor, do you currently think Jay is town? What do you think about his latest posts?
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On January 14 2013 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:@ XatalosShow nested quote +On January 14 2013 07:22 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now. Well, you already removed your first argument, so how did that affect your scumread on me? And I already explained that "soft defense" (stating a simple point about his probable intentions) in my previous post. How did that affect your read? I'm actually surprised how weak this reasoning is for your #1 scumread. Is that all there is to it? Talk to me a bit. The main thing I find scummy about you is your multitude of soft-defenses. The supersoft one I quoted earlier reads as especially strange. Also, you're pushing Jay right now, but pushing lynch-bait is something anyone can do. We were both playing in British Mini, and you saw how he acted. What makes his gameplay different now? I see a lot of similarities - spaminess, etc.
He was spammy in that game as well, but he also had clear opinions and he wasn't at all as vague and wishy-washy as he is now. Just look at how vaguely he talks about other players (including me, his lynch of choice, and supersoft, his other lynch candidate). And I've explained this already, but I was merely pointing out a plausible town motivation for supersoft's focus on something useless like a smilie. How is that scummy? Are you suggesting that I'm scum with supersoft like Sloosh did? Otherwise I don't see a reason why scum would bother to get in the way of an easy mislynch.
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On January 15 2013 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
Xatalos, please look at the case on me and tell me what you think. Also, look up SS and hopeless.
Looks like Prom based his case around you lying about reading the thread before posting (but not doing so) and sheeping the bandwagon on supersoft. I admit it doesn't make you look great, but it's doesn't convince me of your scumminess. Laziness isn't a scum-specific trait, nor did you actually even lie there (more like you failed to meet your own standards). The best point he makes is your weak sheep vote on supersoft.
That case of Hopeless is just... hopeless. Basically he's saying "I can't get supersoft lynched today, but hey, let's just lynch Lazermonkey because... his case on Jay isn't good enough?". He doesn't even say that OMGUS is a bad argument, he says that WBG thinks so, which makes me doubt if he even believed so himself. It feels very forced and more like a desperate justification for voting an appealing bandwagon.
I'm pretty sure supersoft is town. He's been very active with scumhunting (starting with the pressure on Jay and continuing relentlessly throughout his filter) and he's also been extremely open with all of his reads. There are bad points in his lists, like speculating what saying "I'm town" means, but it just reads try-hard town to me. Kind of like how I over-analyzed things in my first town game.
I can see Hopeless being scum. Especially with his latest moves like abandoning the supersoft wagon because it met some resistance, and then voting you with very weak reasons. It reads like he switched from a stronger scumread to a weaker one with the main reason being to sheep the thread. At least he made a long case for supersoft with lots of arguments, but I can see no conviction on his "case" for you. He did suspect Kush earlier though, which makes it a bit more sensible, although he just bases his vote very weakly around your case on Jay instead.
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On January 15 2013 02:55 jaybrundage wrote:I have been quieter this game unfortunately a combination of my work schedule, and I find it hard to contribute day one especially with so many new people I haven't played with before. During Hero MM i got mislynched so I have been working to change the way I play the game. Look up my most recent game in British MM if you wanna see my most recent play. One of the things I have been trying to eliminate is posting with out having a clear goal in mind cause people usually end up mislynching me : ( Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 19:08 Lazermonkey wrote:I can lynch Jay. He is super non-commital this game. He basically doesn't have any strong reads at all. Everytime he posts about someone he is saying stuff like : filter On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jay
Please answer my question. Why are you pushing Kush out of one side of your mouth, then proposing a Sloosh RNG lynch out of the other? It reads a lot like you don't give a shit about who dies.
I have been quieter this game unfortunately a combination of my work schedule, and I find it hard to contribute day one especially with so many new people I haven't played with before. During Hero MM i got mislynched so I have been working to change the way I play the game. Look up my most recent game in British MM if you wanna see my most recent play. One of the things I have been trying to eliminate is posting with out having a clear goal in mind cause people usually end up mislynching me : (
Well I just didnt like Kushs post it rubbed me the wrong way way play detrimental on purpose. Does it make him scum? No.
On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote:
@Xalalos
Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor.
But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet? He is doing this all the time and its a great way to appear contributing when you are in fact not. Look at his filter from Hero MM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=56992¤tpage=AllHe seems way more active and dishes out alot of scum reads during the strat of D1. He doesn't this game. Also, his vote on Xata is pure OMGUS ##Vote: jaybrundage @X Im not gonna go down a useless arguement about who has done what in cases of usefulness. And yes usually im an easy mislynch because I dont properly display townie traits when I am in fact town. Regardless I have been trying to change this British MM was a result of that.
Why won't you do something useful then instead of complaining how much of a lynchbait you are?
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On January 15 2013 03:13 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 03:03 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 15 2013 02:56 jaybrundage wrote:
Just so yall know i will be leaving in 2 hours for work so I wont be here for the deadline. Then by all means, post everything about everything. You will probebly not get lynched today anyway. Eh thats the problem i have trouble having opinions on people day 1. And I'm hesitant to post with out coherent thoughts on people. I still think Xatalos has a good chance of flipping scum. His early game questioning seemed alot like scum probing peoples thoughts early with out really giving his own thoughts. Then when some pressure was applied on him he went to a case on me. I was pushed on as a mislynch in Hero MM day one VE who was scum actually made a pretty big case on me. So I have a feeling like that is what is happening here.
Why are you so vague in your suspicion of me? You use wording like "his play seemed a lot like scum" or "I have a feeling like that is what is happening here". Do you think so or do you merely suggest that thought to others? And that last part is just WIFOM.
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On January 15 2013 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
First of all, we're not lynching jay today. Anyone who is calling him scum right now is either is scum or dumb, since they probably have never played with him before. You need time to catch players like jay, because they play scum and town very similarly. He's mislynch bait as town, and I would argue that as scum he'd probably be much harder to lynch-they always are.
Secondly, there are 6 hours left in the day and we need to consolidate. I would very much like that we consolidate on Xatalos or Zentor. We have 3 nonvoters, one of whom has done nothing (Ruuch) one of whom should have actually done something already (supersoft) and one of whom very well might be scum (Zentor)
You're usually very aggressive and push strong for your reads. Why are you just soft defending Jay and pushing me so weakly? I can actually imagine the answer.
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On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum.
In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII.
What do you mean LVIII? I haven't played in such game.
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