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On January 07 2013 06:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 07 2013 06:14 Xatalos wrote:On January 07 2013 06:02 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Xatalos
You mentioned that your vote would end up on yamato, Shaio, or CC today. A process of elimination read on yamato makes absolutely no sense when you have other potential lynch candidates. What are your current thoughts on Shaio and CC? Mr. Cheesecake: he's had good engagement with the thread lately, but he hasn't actually done much. Much of his posting is just fluff or nearly fluff, like the stream of thought post for example. It doesn't feel like he wants to really affect the thread, more like comment on things of his choosing and follow along... It could very well be Mafia. I'm definitely pro-lynch on him. ShiaoPi: still concerned about his fake pressure, OMGUS vote on me, relative lack of contribution etc. I can easily see his filter from a Mafia perspective, unlike several other players (Hapahauli, MrZentor, jaybrundage). It all comes down to what's realistic. It's starting to look like ShiaoPi is not, Mr. Cheesecake and yamato77 may well be. So I'm not pushing for ShiaoPi to be lynched right now. I need less general statements and more specific analysis. Lynching based on realism = not good. Who is your top scumread based on behaviour alone and why? Let's pretend for a minute that everyone, is up on the block, and you control who the town is going to lynch. Who are you going to lynch? If I had absolute power over the thread, I would lynch Mr. Cheesecake right now. Between his fluffy and passive opening game, constant lack of taking real stances and his recent weird and fluffy posts, he isn't much of a contributor or even a presence in the flow of the thread. Even considering his relatively good activity and engagement in several topics. I have to leave now for a quite lenghty period of time, so I'm torn about what to do. I guess I'll just have to leave it up to fate and hope I'm not lynched when I get back. ##Unvote yamato77
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
Welp. When I asked you to avoid generalities, this wasn't what I had in mind. Well we're getting somewhere anyways.
Also, define this "lengthy period," because I'm not thrilled that something as unsubstantial as this is your "parting words" to the thread.
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@ Jay
Can you update your cases/reads on Mr.CC? He has posted quite a bit since your last analysis on him, and I want to see what you make of his new posting.
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@Hapa
Any comment on the bit on ShiaoPi I outlined?
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On Shaio? Or do you mean Xatalos?
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On Xatalos concerning his interaction with Shiao
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Cause Xatalo's case on Shiao was mainly two things:
a) Shiao is not taking stances
b) Shiaos early pressure vote didn't look like a pressure vote but more of a scum pretending he wants to pressure or some other shit like this.
When I asked him about a) , he simply said that b) was the main part of the case but Shiao had refuted that in their interaction, when, in my opinion, it's clearly not the case, as I've quoted in the previous post
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I mean, I don't know if that's all too relevant really. Like I do that stuff all the time as town (change the focal point of my argument).
I still think he's scum though. His attitude in recent hours has been something like "I don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't me." I've been rather patient with him to produce some more concrete reads, but he keeps talking in generalities as opposed to making any concrete analysis.
I want to make sure we get the thoughts of Shaio and DP before I commit to the lynch though.
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Speaking of DP...he hasn't done much as of late =/
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How is it not too relevant? It's proof that his reasoning for backing off of ShiaoPi is weak. He didn't address said point of the case because there was nothing to actually refute it. I disagree with you here, I think this is a very important aspect of him being scum. Because he did the same thing with DarthPunk, had a read which got changed with fairly flimsy reasoning.
Well, we can debate this in the post game, but if we agree that he is scum, what the hell right
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Vote Count
Mr. Cheesecake (2): Yamato77, jaybrundage, Xatalos
Xatalos (2): Mr.Cheesecake, ShiaoPi, Z-Boson
yamato77 (1): Xatalos, MrZentor
Hapahauli (0): Yamato77, MrZentor
Z-Boson (0): ShiaoPi, DarthPunk
jaybrundage (0): DarthPunk
DarthPunk (0): Hapahauli
MrZentor (0): Mr. Cheesecake
ShiaoPi (0): jaybrundage, Xatalos
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Not Voting (4): Hapahauli, DarthPunk, Yamato77, Mr. Cheesecake
5 votes are required to lynch.
Please let me know if I get the votecount wrong. The way I'm doing them gives more info but is cluttered, I might mess up now and again.
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On January 07 2013 07:37 Z-BosoN wrote:
How is it not too relevant? It's proof that his reasoning for backing off of ShiaoPi is weak. He didn't address said point of the case because there was nothing to actually refute it. I disagree with you here, I think this is a very important aspect of him being scum. Because he did the same thing with DarthPunk, had a read which got changed with fairly flimsy reasoning.
Well, we can debate this in the post game, but if we agree that he is scum, what the hell right
Pretty much =P
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Where do you stand on CC at the moment?
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CC seems slightly town. He seems to be not concerned with any suspicion on him. I didn't like the "stream of consciousness" post, but he is active and engaged in the thread.
Again though, I'm in the process of re-evaluating all my town-reads. I basically have reasons to think everyone here is town for one reason or another except for Xatalos.
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On January 06 2013 18:49 yamato77 wrote:Is the only reason you want to lynch him is that he's useless? That's the only thing his meta might excuse but I think there are other parts of his play that are scummy. As I've mentioned before he's advocated the idea that we should be deciding on a lynch by now, which is in opposition to the town-favored idea Hapa put forth that we should allow more time for ourselves so that we don't end up mislynching. Indeed so far that has been good, because we haven't done anything rash or stupid just because we felt we had to decide on someone to kill. Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 09:37 MrZentor wrote:
Also, dragging days out will lead to decreased interest in the game by town, increasing inactivity, and generally making things easier for scum.
Days should be 48-72 hours. He's expressed this sentiment multiple times since this initial post in the form of troll votes and acts of impatience. He's pushing town toward making a bad decision which is something I do not think we should be doing. 1.) Only scum would want to advocate this idea.Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote:
I will use my hammer vote as soon as I possibly can.
It's unlikely that scum will want to have the final vote on somebody, because it will put them under a lot of scrutiny. This post here he looks like he's setting himself up for making the hammer vote on a player, and then calling himself town for doing it. 2.)And again he's advocating the idea that quick hammer lynches are a good thing when they only benefit scum.Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 11:23 MrZentor wrote:
There's too little information to make an accurate lynch first day; we're just wasting time by delaying it. 3.)Here he bemoans day 1 as useless and says we should lynch someone. He doesn't have any good ideas of who to lynch, nor has he helped make day 1 more useful, he just wants to kill someone. Apathy about who is lynched is a scummy trait. So basically instead of being pro-town and scum hunting, or even offering up a scum read, he's given town reads on people and told us all to lynch someone quickly. 4.) He's playing anti town.
Okay so Z-BosoN wanted me to explain why I didn't like Yamato's reasoning for voting Mr. Z.
Yamato gives 3 reasons we should lynch Mr. Z, and I can't agree with any of them.
1.) Only scum would advocate the idea of an artificial deadline? I really cannot agree with that. Hell, I said we should wrap things up at the 72 hour mark. Attacking Mr. Z for it is a super easy thing to do because its *cough* "not in towns interest", but in reality it's not a scummy thing to suggest at all especially for day 1.
2.) Quick hammer lynches do benefit scum, yes, if the guy flips town. If Mr. Z wants to quick hammer vote that's his choice, and he should know he could be lynched for it. It's kind of just an opinion thing, not really something that's a scummy idea.
3.) Pretty much the same point as number 1: Mr.Z doesn't want to spend a week on day 1. I don't think Mr. Z is just saying "let's lynch anybody, who cares!" but rather "let's not dwell on it for too long, make your best educated guess". Too much time = second guessing ourselves = confusion = scum environment. At least that's what I get out of it.
4.) Mr. Z is playing anti-town by refusing to scumhunt and being generally inactive. And I would agree on this at the time of Yamato's post. Since this post, he's presented at least (at little) evidence of who he wants to lynch and why.
Didn't really care for Yamato's arguements because they could be from either alignment and focus on Mr. Z's lack of confidence in D1. It seems like a really easy case to make. Either way, I just didn't see it as a strong case.
Also, Xatalos took my bait. I told him to vote me cus I was totes scummy:
On January 07 2013 05:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Xatalos
Obviously nobody likes your vote on Yamato. I'm pretty scummy right now - just look at the horrible stream of consciousness post. You've had it in for me all game. You totes want to lynch me right now. Jay does too, and Hapa thinks I'm totes a scumster. Maybe I could die today.
So he does it: LOL
On January 07 2013 06:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:On January 07 2013 06:14 Xatalos wrote:On January 07 2013 06:02 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Xatalos
You mentioned that your vote would end up on yamato, Shaio, or CC today. A process of elimination read on yamato makes absolutely no sense when you have other potential lynch candidates. What are your current thoughts on Shaio and CC? Mr. Cheesecake: he's had good engagement with the thread lately, but he hasn't actually done much. Much of his posting is just fluff or nearly fluff, like the stream of thought post for example. It doesn't feel like he wants to really affect the thread, more like comment on things of his choosing and follow along... It could very well be Mafia. I'm definitely pro-lynch on him. ShiaoPi: still concerned about his fake pressure, OMGUS vote on me, relative lack of contribution etc. I can easily see his filter from a Mafia perspective, unlike several other players (Hapahauli, MrZentor, jaybrundage). It all comes down to what's realistic. It's starting to look like ShiaoPi is not, Mr. Cheesecake and yamato77 may well be. So I'm not pushing for ShiaoPi to be lynched right now. I need less general statements and more specific analysis. Lynching based on realism = not good. Who is your top scumread based on behaviour alone and why? Let's pretend for a minute that everyone, is up on the block, and you control who the town is going to lynch. Who are you going to lynch? If I had absolute power over the thread, I would lynch Mr. Cheesecake right now. Between his fluffy and passive opening game, constant lack of taking real stances and his recent weird and fluffy posts, he isn't much of a contributor or even a presence in the flow of the thread. Even considering his relatively good activity and engagement in several topics. I have to leave now for a quite lenghty period of time, so I'm torn about what to do. I guess I'll just have to leave it up to fate and hope I'm not lynched when I get back. ##Unvote yamato77
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
Okay so let me be clear about this: Xatalos wants to lynch Yamato because he's scummy, scummier than I at least. He previously states that he doesn't want to lynch me and that I've been a decent contributor as of late and I've stepped up from my original lurky play. He says I've got some townish posts. (Just look through his filter for it, it's kind of spread out in there). Why the sudden disinterest in Yamato? Hmmmmmm?
Nobody wants to sheep the Yamato vote, but Hapa expresses his distaste in me, and suddenly VOTE CHEESECAKE.
He doesn't care who is lynched. Me or Yamato would do, he's just looking for whoever he can get peoples votes on.
##Vote: Xatalos
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On January 07 2013 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
CC seems slightly town. He seems to be not concerned with any suspicion on him. I didn't like the "stream of consciousness" post, but he is active and engaged in the thread.
Again though, I'm in the process of re-evaluating all my town-reads. I basically have reasons to think everyone here is town for one reason or another except for Xatalos.
Thought you were null on ShiaoPi?
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On January 07 2013 07:50 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:
CC seems slightly town. He seems to be not concerned with any suspicion on him. I didn't like the "stream of consciousness" post, but he is active and engaged in the thread.
Again though, I'm in the process of re-evaluating all my town-reads. I basically have reasons to think everyone here is town for one reason or another except for Xatalos. Thought you were null on ShiaoPi?
Kind of. I've been reluctant to lynch him today because I thought he handled the DP/Hapa situation fairly townie at the beginning of the game. He's probably the weakest read of 'em all though.
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##Unvote:
##Vote: Xatalos
HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Vote Count
Xatalos (4): Mr.Cheesecake, ShiaoPi, Z-Boson, Mr. Cheesecake, MrZentor
Mr. Cheesecake (2): Yamato77, jaybrundage, Xatalos
yamato77 (0): Xatalos, MrZentor
Hapahauli (0): Yamato77, MrZentor
Z-Boson (0): ShiaoPi, DarthPunk
jaybrundage (0): DarthPunk
DarthPunk (0): Hapahauli
MrZentor (0): Mr. Cheesecake
ShiaoPi (0): jaybrundage, Xatalos
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Not Voting (3): Hapahauli, DarthPunk, Yamato77
5 votes are required to lynch.
Please let me know if I get the votecount wrong. The way I'm doing them gives more info but is cluttered, I might mess up now and again.
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It seems like other people are seeing what I saw in Xatalos with his case in Shiao and vote on CC.
The dude doesn't really care where he votes, he gives weak justifications and has continually changed his reads over the course of the game on a moment's notice to fit his agenda.
It's enough for me to see him hang.
##Vote: Xatalos
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Final Vote Count
Xatalos (5): Mr.Cheesecake, ShiaoPi, Z-Boson, Mr. Cheesecake, MrZentor, Yamato77
Mr. Cheesecake (2): Yamato77, jaybrundage, Xatalos
yamato77 (0): Xatalos, MrZentor
Hapahauli (0): Yamato77, MrZentor
Z-Boson (0): ShiaoPi, DarthPunk
jaybrundage (0): DarthPunk
DarthPunk (0): Hapahauli
MrZentor (0): Mr. Cheesecake
ShiaoPi (0): jaybrundage, Xatalos
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Not Voting (2): Hapahauli, DarthPunk
5 votes are required to lynch.
No posting until night post.
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