On January 06 2013 20:01 jaybrundage wrote: Good to see you make a case Xatltos. Ill reread ShaioPi's filter when i get a chance.
Also Yamato i also think Zentor could be scummy. Alot of people have a town read on him it could jsut be his meta but hes done some pretty scummy things
Hmm. I feel like MrZentor has been passive, but he's engaged in many discussions and generally been pretty open and careless. I think he's more townish now than in Paranoia Mafia (where he was town and just sheeped extremely passively).
On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am voting you now because: -flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier -not committing at all earlier -writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch
When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then).
Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them.
Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later.
Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet.
Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand.
Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who.
So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip-
I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already.
On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am voting you now because: -flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier -not committing at all earlier -writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch
When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then).
Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them.
Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later.
Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet.
Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand.
Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who.
So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip-
I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already.
Well, you did say stuff like "I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment". It appeared to me as if you were not actually pressuring RiseAgain but still claiming to have done so. I'm not particularly fond of claiming "townie points" for oneself without actually deserving them, it just feels scummy at worst and uncomfortable at best. Especially when the "pressure" vote is surrounded with remarks like "hey, this is just a throwaway vote, but look I'm doing something!".
Ah yeah, I missed that mention about DP. It certainly makes your actions more logical.
The problem I'm having is: I can't convince myself of anyone having a *high* probability of flipping red. Sadly it seems like this first lynch is going to be somewhat random at this point... That leads me to think the lynch should be someone lurky and non-beneficial to the discussion, but you've been quite active lately and your responses to my pressure don't seem scummy (except the fast and furious counter-vote after my case on you...). In addition, I don't like lynching someone who generates discussion D1, since that'll cut down the discussion and let the lurkers continue lurking.
Mr. Cheesecake hasn't looked all that bad lately, so I'm contemplating yamato77. It's a bit unfair because of his busy schedule, but the fact is, he hasn't done much so far (except suspecting MrZentor, a quite easy and passive target). I'm certainly not leaning town on you or Mr. Cheesecake though. It's just that I'm having a very hard time making scumreads in this game especially compared to my newbie games.
On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am voting you now because: -flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier -not committing at all earlier -writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch
When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then).
Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them.
Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later.
Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet.
Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand.
Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who.
So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip-
I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already.
Well, you did say stuff like "I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment". It appeared to me as if you were not actually pressuring RiseAgain but still claiming to have done so. I'm not particularly fond of claiming "townie points" for oneself without actually deserving them, it just feels scummy at worst and uncomfortable at best. Especially when the "pressure" vote is surrounded with remarks like "hey, this is just a throwaway vote, but look I'm doing something!".
Ah yeah, I missed that mention about DP. It certainly makes your actions more logical.
The problem I'm having is: I can't convince myself of anyone having a *high* probability of flipping red. Sadly it seems like this first lynch is going to be somewhat random at this point... That leads me to think the lynch should be someone lurky and non-beneficial to the discussion, but you've been quite active lately and your responses to my pressure don't seem scummy (except the fast and furious counter-vote after my case on you...). In addition, I don't like lynching someone who generates discussion D1, since that'll cut down the discussion and let the lurkers continue lurking.
Mr. Cheesecake hasn't looked all that bad lately, so I'm contemplating yamato77. It's a bit unfair because of his busy schedule, but the fact is, he hasn't done much so far (except suspecting MrZentor, a quite easy and passive target). I'm certainly not leaning town on you or Mr. Cheesecake though. It's just that I'm having a very hard time making scumreads in this game especially compared to my newbie games.
I said I was ready to vote for Mr. Cheesecake, but somehow I don't feel like it's a sufficiently justifiable lynch. He's had some townish posting lately and my read on him wasn't strong to begin with. But there's someone else I want to discuss...
Which makes no sense to me. You didn't have a strong scum read on him initially, but you were ready to vote him. Now, without saying anything other than "he's posting townish lately", you want to lynch him.
If he's such a conflicting read, why aren't you prodding him? Why aren't you commenting on jay's case on him?
On mrZ, your very first post addresses how mrZ looks scummy. You also say this:
Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content.
But from your filter, it is a scumread you are not pursuing at all. You've had no interactions with him that tell me you are trying to better read him more. Your stance is that you are having difficulty making reads this game or whatever. Then you make a case on ShiaoPi, weakly accusing him of a pressure vote.
To me it looks like you are just following the thread trend and seeing what sticks. (CC being town, DP being scum but then being town, mrZ looking town, etc.), and I don't like it.
I like your recent spur of activity, but it stands out that you haven't taken a stance much this game. You recently voted Xatalos, which was mostly because he made a bad case. Is he still scum to you? Who else do you find scummy if not for him?
Said he was likely town earlier, but on second thought he doesn't really seem interested in the game and has not said anything yet. Hapa, can you explain your town read on MrZ a little better?
He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that.
1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game.
On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right?
On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?!
Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up.
Questions, people, questions. Anyone?
On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him.
On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
Mr. Cheesecake
Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far.
From Xatalos.
It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior.
On January 04 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote: I agree, the hammer vote should definitely be looked at. With that in mind, I'm not sure why CC says this:
On January 04 2013 11:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:42 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:01 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay
Any other thoughts on what Rise and I have discussed over the first pages of the thread? Day length, hammer votes, or anything really.
We should lynch someone when we feel confident they are mafia.
We should always be aware of the hammer vote. People should be responsible for there hammer vote.
We shouldn't rush a lynch cause we lost discussions to read people with.
Policy Lynches rarely work so we should refrain from doing them.
Pretty straight forward imo.
So the hammer vote takes full responsibility for the lynch? Everyone who votes is responsible, not just the hammering guy.
Why does CC not want us to put emphasis on the hammer vote? It is prime opportunity for differentiating scum from town yet he thinks it isn't?
Regarding the bolded, in what way would you say it is a "prime opportunity [to] differentiate" alignments? Give me some examples.
Also, I think you're just shoving words in CC's mouth. He's saying that we shouldn't shift disproportionate responsibility on the person who hammers on a lynch, and I don't see what's wrong about that statement.
What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game.
You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why?
On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should.
Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion.
I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie?
No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game.
Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations.
Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy.
On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor
He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch.
He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum.
Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example:
In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment.
Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that).
Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum.
He parks his vote on a lurker.
On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier.
@Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now.
I want to see more from RiseAgain, so
##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!
But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town.
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
I am interested currently in these people: yamato Xatalos MrZ
yamato: There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him.
Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something.
MrZ: He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this.
Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ). Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_>
On January 07 2013 02:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Xatalos, looking at your filter, I cannot understand what on Earth is your stance on CC and mrZentor. Regarding CC:
On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am voting you now because: -flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier -not committing at all earlier -writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch
When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then).
Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them.
Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later.
Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet.
Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand.
Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who.
So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip-
I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already.
Well, you did say stuff like "I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment". It appeared to me as if you were not actually pressuring RiseAgain but still claiming to have done so. I'm not particularly fond of claiming "townie points" for oneself without actually deserving them, it just feels scummy at worst and uncomfortable at best. Especially when the "pressure" vote is surrounded with remarks like "hey, this is just a throwaway vote, but look I'm doing something!".
Ah yeah, I missed that mention about DP. It certainly makes your actions more logical.
The problem I'm having is: I can't convince myself of anyone having a *high* probability of flipping red. Sadly it seems like this first lynch is going to be somewhat random at this point... That leads me to think the lynch should be someone lurky and non-beneficial to the discussion, but you've been quite active lately and your responses to my pressure don't seem scummy (except the fast and furious counter-vote after my case on you...). In addition, I don't like lynching someone who generates discussion D1, since that'll cut down the discussion and let the lurkers continue lurking.
Mr. Cheesecake hasn't looked all that bad lately, so I'm contemplating yamato77. It's a bit unfair because of his busy schedule, but the fact is, he hasn't done much so far (except suspecting MrZentor, a quite easy and passive target). I'm certainly not leaning town on you or Mr. Cheesecake though. It's just that I'm having a very hard time making scumreads in this game especially compared to my newbie games.
I said I was ready to vote for Mr. Cheesecake, but somehow I don't feel like it's a sufficiently justifiable lynch. He's had some townish posting lately and my read on him wasn't strong to begin with. But there's someone else I want to discuss...
Which makes no sense to me. You didn't have a strong scum read on him initially, but you were ready to vote him. Now, without saying anything other than "he's posting townish lately", you want to lynch him.
If he's such a conflicting read, why aren't you prodding him? Why aren't you commenting on jay's case on him?
On mrZ, your very first post addresses how mrZ looks scummy. You also say this:
Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content.
But from your filter, it is a scumread you are not pursuing at all. You've had no interactions with him that tell me you are trying to better read him more. Your stance is that you are having difficulty making reads this game or whatever. Then you make a case on ShiaoPi, weakly accusing him of a pressure vote.
To me it looks like you are just following the thread trend and seeing what sticks. (CC being town, DP being scum but then being town, mrZ looking town, etc.), and I don't like it.
I think my stance on MrZentor has been pretty clear. I originally had a slight scumread on him, but after some discussion with him and considering his meta, I've been leaning town on him for quite a while. I've also said that many times.
Mr. Cheesecake is a tougher one to figure out for me. I really dislike his early posting, but he started being fairly active and engaged at some point. He hasn't posted for a while now though. I'm torn, and it's not helping that he hasn't been posting for quite some time.
I'm contemplating a lynch of ShiaoPi or yamato77. I didn't really get a scummy feeling from my back-and-forth with ShiaoPi earlier, so yamato77 might be a better choice. He might improve his contributions after his RL issues are solved though, so it's not easy to decide. Mr. Cheesecake isn't out of the question either. What I need now is some kind of a sign or clue about who would be the right choice. Unfortunately I'm in a different timezone than most here, so not that much is happening while I'm online :/
He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that.
1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game.
On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right?
On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?!
Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up.
Questions, people, questions. Anyone?
On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him.
On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
Mr. Cheesecake
Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far.
From Xatalos.
It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior.
On January 04 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote: I agree, the hammer vote should definitely be looked at. With that in mind, I'm not sure why CC says this:
On January 04 2013 11:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:42 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:01 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay
Any other thoughts on what Rise and I have discussed over the first pages of the thread? Day length, hammer votes, or anything really.
We should lynch someone when we feel confident they are mafia.
We should always be aware of the hammer vote. People should be responsible for there hammer vote.
We shouldn't rush a lynch cause we lost discussions to read people with.
Policy Lynches rarely work so we should refrain from doing them.
Pretty straight forward imo.
So the hammer vote takes full responsibility for the lynch? Everyone who votes is responsible, not just the hammering guy.
Why does CC not want us to put emphasis on the hammer vote? It is prime opportunity for differentiating scum from town yet he thinks it isn't?
Regarding the bolded, in what way would you say it is a "prime opportunity [to] differentiate" alignments? Give me some examples.
Also, I think you're just shoving words in CC's mouth. He's saying that we shouldn't shift disproportionate responsibility on the person who hammers on a lynch, and I don't see what's wrong about that statement.
What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game.
You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why?
On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should.
Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion.
I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie?
No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game.
Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations.
Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy.
On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor
He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch.
He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum.
Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example:
In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment.
Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that).
Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum.
He parks his vote on a lurker.
On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier.
@Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now.
I want to see more from RiseAgain, so
##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!
But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town.
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
I am interested currently in these people: yamato Xatalos MrZ
yamato: There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him.
Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something.
MrZ: He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this.
Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ). Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_>
Hm. It's really nice to see good content from you, although I don't quite get it why exactly one of me or ShiaoPi has to be scum.
I don't really agree with your analysis of Mr. Cheesecake's opening game. It's not being "open" to post a lot of fluff unrelated to anything. It's easy to do as Mafia. Doing that kind of posting doesn't hinder his lategame at all by potentially forcing him to a corner later on.
I can understand your reasoning for seeing yamato77 as town. But isn't attacking you for your general scummy features possible also for newer Mafia who see an easy mislynch target? It doesn't mean just the possibility of a newer town.
On January 07 2013 02:06 Z-BosoN wrote: Xatalos, looking at your filter, I cannot understand what on Earth is your stance on CC and mrZentor. Regarding CC:
On January 07 2013 00:52 Xatalos wrote:
On January 06 2013 21:27 ShiaoPi wrote:
On January 06 2013 20:05 Xatalos wrote:
On January 06 2013 19:41 ShiaoPi wrote:
On January 06 2013 19:36 Xatalos wrote:
On January 06 2013 19:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I am voting you now because: -flip flopping on DP in some logical inconsistencies earlier -not committing at all earlier -writing a terribly bad case for the sake of writing one to get some pressure off yourself.
call it OMGUS if you want, I don't think so.
Also you have been on my hitlist now, Zentor is not around so I cannot ask him stuff right now, I just asked yamato a bunch of stuff earlier. Leaving you and with that crap contribution you look like the best option for today's lynch
When was I under pressure...? I've just been trying find someone scummier than Mr. Cheesecake, but it's not an easy job, considering the relatively low activity and the high amount of townish/nullish players. There are many things in your filter that strike me as suspicious (mentioned earlier), and even though they're partly intuition and not solid proof, it's better than Mr. Cheesecake in my eyes (he started off under the radar but has had some engagement since then).
Several people have mentioned you as a possible lynch candidate that qualifies as under pressure. I would really be interested in those "many things" in my filter that are suspicious, I already answered the ones you quoted earlier. Please show them to me, I don't even know where you find them.
Anyway I am out for dinner now. See you later.
Okay... I guess that counts as pressure, although I haven't been even remotely in a dangerous spot until now. But this always happens to me when I'm town at some point, so I'm not too worried yet.
Are you saying you were really pressuring RiseAgain? I just can't see anything but a weak fake pressure in that. Merely voting for someone without any actual pressure doesn't count as pressure. Some other players in this game have thrown away weak votes as well, but at least they tried to create some pressure. You didn't even try - the opposite, you openly said it was only an empty vote beforehand.
Why were you suddenly okay with lynching DP when he started to gain a bandwagon for himself? All I can see is an opportunistic (yet extremely vague) move to potentially get rid of an active player. And when the bandwagon started to crumble, you suddenly dropped him from your suspects without saying a word about it. It feels like you're just trying to get someone lynched, and it doesn't really matter who.
So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter.
I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it....
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
-snip-
I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already.
Well, you did say stuff like "I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment". It appeared to me as if you were not actually pressuring RiseAgain but still claiming to have done so. I'm not particularly fond of claiming "townie points" for oneself without actually deserving them, it just feels scummy at worst and uncomfortable at best. Especially when the "pressure" vote is surrounded with remarks like "hey, this is just a throwaway vote, but look I'm doing something!".
Ah yeah, I missed that mention about DP. It certainly makes your actions more logical.
The problem I'm having is: I can't convince myself of anyone having a *high* probability of flipping red. Sadly it seems like this first lynch is going to be somewhat random at this point... That leads me to think the lynch should be someone lurky and non-beneficial to the discussion, but you've been quite active lately and your responses to my pressure don't seem scummy (except the fast and furious counter-vote after my case on you...). In addition, I don't like lynching someone who generates discussion D1, since that'll cut down the discussion and let the lurkers continue lurking.
Mr. Cheesecake hasn't looked all that bad lately, so I'm contemplating yamato77. It's a bit unfair because of his busy schedule, but the fact is, he hasn't done much so far (except suspecting MrZentor, a quite easy and passive target). I'm certainly not leaning town on you or Mr. Cheesecake though. It's just that I'm having a very hard time making scumreads in this game especially compared to my newbie games.
I said I was ready to vote for Mr. Cheesecake, but somehow I don't feel like it's a sufficiently justifiable lynch. He's had some townish posting lately and my read on him wasn't strong to begin with. But there's someone else I want to discuss...
Which makes no sense to me. You didn't have a strong scum read on him initially, but you were ready to vote him. Now, without saying anything other than "he's posting townish lately", you want to lynch him.
If he's such a conflicting read, why aren't you prodding him? Why aren't you commenting on jay's case on him?
On mrZ, your very first post addresses how mrZ looks scummy. You also say this:
Well, I'm not really sure how MrZentor is so easy to read... I'm having extreme difficulties reading him. And I've played with him in two games before too. It shouldn't be too hard to fake some joke posts, right? Especially with his general low activity and lack of any content.
But from your filter, it is a scumread you are not pursuing at all. You've had no interactions with him that tell me you are trying to better read him more. Your stance is that you are having difficulty making reads this game or whatever. Then you make a case on ShiaoPi, weakly accusing him of a pressure vote.
To me it looks like you are just following the thread trend and seeing what sticks. (CC being town, DP being scum but then being town, mrZ looking town, etc.), and I don't like it.
I think my stance on MrZentor has been pretty clear. I originally had a slight scumread on him, but after some discussion with him and considering his meta, I've been leaning town on him for quite a while. I've also said that many times.
Mr. Cheesecake is a tougher one to figure out for me. I really dislike his early posting, but he started being fairly active and engaged at some point. He hasn't posted for a while now though. I'm torn, and it's not helping that he hasn't been posting for quite some time.
I'm contemplating a lynch of ShiaoPi or yamato77. I didn't really get a scummy feeling from my back-and-forth with ShiaoPi earlier, so yamato77 might be a better choice. He might improve his contributions after his RL issues are solved though, so it's not easy to decide. Mr. Cheesecake isn't out of the question either. What I need now is some kind of a sign or clue about who would be the right choice. Unfortunately I'm in a different timezone than most here, so not that much is happening while I'm online :/
It's difficult to keep track of your thoughts because you change your mind way too much, and often without proper reasoning.
For example, from your filter I've noted that you haven't interacted with Jay much at all. He's a town read to you:
On January 06 2013 02:54 Xatalos wrote: Why do you see jaybrundage as scummy? I'm not sold on that. He made some good points about ShiaoPi and offered his opinions pretty casually - I don't get the feeling he was unwilling to talk about anything.
And he wants to lynch CC. If you are a townie who has difficulty reading CC, why are you not discussing him with another one of your town reads? It's much more comfortable saying "ah he was scummy but now he's townie" and not doing anything about it.
Also, I'm not so sure what to make of your interaction with shiaoPi. You begin strongly by noting how he has taken little stances in this game (which is true), but you back off a bit too easily:
You thought Shiaopi's vote on DP was not a pressure vote, but now he's convinced you it was a pressure vote (in a way which I want you to be more clear about), and that also manages to refute your earlier point on Shiao not taking stances. Explain these two points to me, which are a bit hazy in logic, and why you would still lynch into Shiao despite it all.
He's probably town, and there are two main reasons for me to think that.
1. He's carefree and open, especially during the opening of the game.
On January 04 2013 12:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mr.Z we're masoned you dummy. ShiaoPi obv scum right?
On January 05 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hey yeah yeah yeah Hey yeah, I said HEY! What's going on?!
Home from my shift and such. Reading the shitfest that is DP-Hapa (kind of sounds like a porno) interaction atm and catching up.
Questions, people, questions. Anyone?
On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
2. Two of the other suspects targeted him early in the game. Although it is possible one of them was faking this aggression, it is unlikely, because of all the risks that come with it. If the scum faking aggression toward Mr.CC gets lynched and doesn't do a good job of faking it, then it will be obvious that Mr. CC is scum with him.
On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote: Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
Mr. Cheesecake
Who was he again? I only remembered him after rereading the thread a couple of times. He hasn't actually taken stances on anything that matters (not counting obvious stuff like "we should lynch the scummiest player"). What I'm most worried about is his complete lack of presence - he's basically casually lurking without being too obvious. I'm unwilling to judge him yet, but he isn't looking good so far.
From Xatalos.
It is possible that he is scum with ShiaoPi, but I find this unlikely considering his early game behavior.
On January 04 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote: I agree, the hammer vote should definitely be looked at. With that in mind, I'm not sure why CC says this:
On January 04 2013 11:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:42 jaybrundage wrote:
On January 04 2013 11:01 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay
Any other thoughts on what Rise and I have discussed over the first pages of the thread? Day length, hammer votes, or anything really.
We should lynch someone when we feel confident they are mafia.
We should always be aware of the hammer vote. People should be responsible for there hammer vote.
We shouldn't rush a lynch cause we lost discussions to read people with.
Policy Lynches rarely work so we should refrain from doing them.
Pretty straight forward imo.
So the hammer vote takes full responsibility for the lynch? Everyone who votes is responsible, not just the hammering guy.
Why does CC not want us to put emphasis on the hammer vote? It is prime opportunity for differentiating scum from town yet he thinks it isn't?
Regarding the bolded, in what way would you say it is a "prime opportunity [to] differentiate" alignments? Give me some examples.
Also, I think you're just shoving words in CC's mouth. He's saying that we shouldn't shift disproportionate responsibility on the person who hammers on a lynch, and I don't see what's wrong about that statement.
What is disproportionate responsibility? I think there's plenty of reason to give the hammer more look than other votes. It is the act of making the decision to lynch someone, it makes the player into the executioner. The use of the hammer vote is perhaps the most important thing in this game.
You said so yourself and now you seem to disagree with me? Why?
On January 06 2013 00:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit I'm not paying as much attention to this game as I should.
Honestly my vote on CC was to get a better read on him. Up to that point I thought he was a bit scummy so I figured his reaction to me voting for him out of nowhere might reveal to me his alignment. It turns out it didn't, but some of the things he has said since then have swayed my opinion.
I'm fairly confident in Hapa being town, so as far as active scum I don't think there are any. Jay is the only one I would question because his posts have a quality that makes them seem quiet, almost like his opinion isn't something to be valued. Is he scum trying to stay under the radar or just a weak townie?
No I'm much more inclined to think a scum lies between Mr Zentor and Rise. Zentor hasn't contributed much besides a lot of setup talk and town reads. His filter is low content, low profile, very much like I think the scum are this game.
Rise simply hasn't posted much since the beginning if the game and it is starting to make me question his motivations.
Also, the way he pushes me makes me think he's a noob townie. I would expect newer players to think I'm scum, because of a lot of the things I do are obviously scummy.
On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote: Mr Zentor
He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch.
He is pretty uptight, but he makes some good points in his massive cases; he and ShiaoPi are equally likely to be scum.
Well, for starters, I think you're most likely town. I can't believe a Mafia would outpost everyone in the thread and engage in every possible topic. Does that make DarthPunk Mafia in my eyes? Not really. I agree with many things he says, and his filter just reads fairly townish to me - this post for example:
In any case, I'm pretty satisfied with your responses. Your counter-arguments to my (pretty weak) arguments for your scumminess are what I'd expect from a townie: calm, collected, reasonable. Combined with Hapahauli's recommendation to wait on you, I don't see you as a good lynch at the moment.
Welcome, Z-Boson! I'm glad you're being very townish and contributive so far, which means we have one less player out of the lynching table (I didn't like lynching RiseAgain either, but this is a much easier judgement than that).
Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum.
He parks his vote on a lurker.
On January 05 2013 12:14 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm looks like RiseAgain has still not responded.... Anyway moving onto the matters more at hand for now. I don't think that DP or Hapa are scum, it feels much more like townies at each others throats for minor things. While I can see where both are coming from during the exchange I does kind of worry me that DP does not follow up with a vote as Hapa does. Does not seem to fit when he calls him scum more than once earlier.
@Mr.CC Xatalos is kind of a lynchbait in itself. He is not that easy to read (at least for me), but what I have seen so far from him does not really convince me on his scumminess. From time to time he does these 180-turns but usually it is because he lays his entire thoughtprocess out and therefore every nook and turn of his mind is in the thread. He is nullish right now.
I want to see more from RiseAgain, so
##Vote: RiseAgain get in here and do something please!
But he also waffles over Xatalos, which makes me think he could be town.
On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay finally got some time to give out some thoughts.
First off welcome Z-Boson, good to have a active replacement! Moving on to some housekeeping: DP's reactions since I was gone seem to me pretty townie, by extension Hapa seems town as well with the entire thoughtprocess behind tunneling being revealed. So I am retracting my scum-leaning read that I had on DP earlier.
I am interested currently in these people: yamato Xatalos MrZ
yamato: There are many things which would probably be me reiterating stuff that was mentioned (discrepancy in behaviour as hapa said). Not being really present, throwing votes around with little reasoning. But that can be explained by his lack of time due to RL business. could really use more analysis and reasoning from him.
Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. That is because he is hesitating a lot, laying out a lot of his thoughts in the thread and therefore opening himself up for harsh critique if he changes his mind and posts it. His lack of any stance is alarming though. While it is somewhat just his playstyle (IIRC) I still dislike it a lot, I mean day 1 has been going for quite a long time now already, while we did not get more information through lynching there is still a lot of content to search through and find something.
MrZ: He is useless, which is stupidly just his meta with the lightheartedness he has shown. I don't like useless people but cannot condemn him based on this.
Actually I started this post with wanting to lynch into Xata/yamato preferrably yamato but now that I am writing those reads feel just unsatisfying...There is nothing really much that distinguishes one option from the other. I am reluctant to lynch yamato since he seems legitimately busy, also relcutant to lynch Xata for just playing as he does (same goes for MrZ). Somehow this day 1 has not been really productive >_>
On January 07 2013 03:08 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, I'm having a lot of difficulty reading the four of you, which is why I said for a long time that I'd be fine with any of you dying.
And people who push for my lynch are almost always scum. :/
idk
Just to be clear on where you stand on Yamato. People who push your lynch are almost always scum, but not him, because of how he's pushing it?
EPT
