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Policy on LAL is fine with me. Lying can only hurt town and I see no situations how this could be beneficial. Regarding lurkers, I think that it shouldn't be set in stone. From my point of view as a newbie, lurking isn't a quality of either mafia or town. It is equally as likely that a mafia/sk will actively post, lead discussions, blend in with town as it is that a townie will, and the same goes for lurkers. Ultimately its a judgement call based on quality of posts, and hopefully the majority will make the right call in that situation. Cakepie, I really liked your post regarding not being afraid to make mistakes as a townie. In this game of newbies, we will learn while asking questions and participating in discussion. I will be fearless. That being said I think at this point in the game, there is very little information available, but I see value in scoping out a possible lynch on the first day. I think we should be looking for players who promote environments where Mafia thrive. | ||
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On December 19 2012 16:05 Spaghetticus wrote: While I'm a bit of a fence sitter in regard to lurkers, your assertion that mafia are equally likely to lurk as town causes me concern. Mafia, particularly new mafia, derive benefit from lurking if nobody picks them up on it. Town, new or otherwise, damage their chances of success if they do not contribute. While arguments can be made about the certainty of judgement, this game is not about certainties, and unless you can think of a good reason for a town to lurk that statistically counteracts the motivated tendency of a scum player, it is best to strongly pressure lurkers into action with your vote. I see your point regarding the reason for lurking. Upon reflection, I agree that lurking should be discouraged and if apparent, you will be questioned and proded. I think its very simple, as Mocsta said: lurking is not a free pas to fly under the radar. I also agree with Kickstart regarding lynching scum leads of randomly lynching lurkers. This, I feel, is obvious. As far as I understand an environment where mafia thrive is that of uncertainty, confusion. An environment which contains people who have split views, people that are not confident in their stance and can be swayed by logic, reason, should the situation call for it. Threesr did a good job of contradicting views regarding lurking, diverting town chat paths, and the town seems to be talking a little bit but we are dancing around constructive discussion (not to mention the fact that Threesr has been quite inactive recently). Perhaps this is scum behaviour. I understand policies on LAL and lurking needs to be discussed, and most of the tough thinking will come when it`s time to vote by ultimately making a read. This makes it really important to present strong arguments when it comes to FoS because others will base their arguments upon the information you present. I think we should be asking ourselves a few questions (whether to find scum or to eliminate uselss town), who is contributing constructively to discussion and who is simply causing the town to get hung up on lesser-than-top-priority thoughts and ideas. Top priorities, to me, are: establishing a wagon using a strong argument, reading into feedback and responses after suspicion has been vocalized, and developing an opinion (certainties are non-existen in this game, right?). The town atmosphere seems to be good so far and this is good for finding scum: perhaps we should start prodding the lurkers and advocates of lurking. I say this because inactivity seems to be common, and as we have all agreed, uncontributing town is useless and detrimental to town goals, whether they are mafia or town. My read is currently for Threesr, but am open to discussion. Would liek to hear more from him regarding lurking and why HE thinks it can be benificial for town to allow. ##Vote: theesr | ||
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In a game where opinion and discussion are encouraged, you seem to be quite reluctant to contribute. Your respones to questions are often dodged or ill-presented out of laziness, and I think this is not acceptable. You have to be able to develop your reasoning, and the type of posts you create paint a picture of someone trying to get the attention off himself. My attempt to be consistent is important because as town we need to structurally build arguments and if those compounding arguments contradict one another, we cannot make a logical FoS or lynch. Without consistency, why did we discuss policy on LAL and lurking? My opinion on corazon is the following: he's relatively new to the game and any form of aggression toward him will be met with a stiff upper lip. I know this because I am new to the game too. Thus my read on him is questionable at best. My read for threesr stands as per my previous posts and is only amlipified by his recent comments. Mocsta's decision to confirm threesr as scum was a little bit hasty and agressive in my eyes, yet also I don't think that mafia would come out so early as to present a confirmed scum. Thus I lean against the vote for Mocsta, and toward lurkers (Sylencia, aquanim, OrangeRemi?) and threesr as a possible lynch. | ||
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Okay here we go. OrgangeRemi has posted very little in this game so far, so it is difficult for me to answer your first question with him as an example. Corazon is different from O.R. because he actually posted something in a defensive manner and I am explaining what my read is on this, as per your request. Regarding theesr I have expressed my opinion on him. He is different from corazon because his motives, if he were mafia, can more easily be predicted because of the nature of his posting and his quantity of posts as well. He may share similar qualities as Corazon, but he has quite simply posted more than Corazon and supported his arguments. I simply await more posts from corazon to make a more accurate read. Is this sufficient for you? I am sooo sorry that I didnt put corazon in that list - I either omitted him because I presented my thought on him already, or maybe just to bring light to the fact that we need to discuss other lurkers AS WELL AS Corazon. | ||
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On December 20 2012 05:45 threesr wrote: So to go into more detail the reason why I voted for BigChunk, I think his reasoning for voting me is pretty weak. He goes on and on about this mafia environment. What exactly did I do to promote this so called environment? I just answered questions I was asked. I think his mafia environment speech is just filler, but is actually meaningless. Of all the people who have voted so far his vote seems to be the least reasonable. Even if he says it was to start conversation, it seems odd to me that I was randomly voted for by this person. You think my reasoning is weak? Let me fix this. Your answer to the question, "why should lurkers be allowed?" was: I like lurking because a lot of the time its hard to know what to say. Obviously it doesn't benefit the town but I don't think it hurts the town that much also. It benefits the scum because it makes it easier for them to blend in but good players should still be able to find the mafia even with lurkers. That doesn't seem to be a strong argument, yet you constantly refer to yourself as having answered all questions directed towards you. You agree that lurking obviously hurts the town, then you GUESS that it MAY help the town. In my opinion, it's not worth the risk, especially in a game of noobs where posting mafia will make mistakes. When you decide on lurking policy, you do it to pull lurking townies out of the shadows so they can contribute in any way they can, and mafia so they can make mistakes. Then you proceed to FoS Mocsta because he's trying to be "moderator" (your logic is that if town talks too much, they're mafia, and if lurkers lurk, they MAY be town?), Vote Mocsta, unvote mocsta, vote me, unvote me, vote corazon, unvote corazon, vote me, etc. What does this accomplish apart from chaos, confusion? And how can you educatedly possibly change your vote 3 times within... 2 hours (I may be exaggerating)? If theesr isnt mafia, then at least hes not helpful as a townie. These are a couple of reasons for my vote. I would be happy to reconsider if you give explanations to divert my suspicion. | ||
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@Chromatically You asked for a read on corazone, again. All I will say is that I think that the original suspicion behind corazone was never really fully justified. It is easy to pin two people together when their opinions happen to align, and thus you have created this me/corazone case. I'm not going to address everything in your post because I consider alot of your suspicions to be based on the fact that I know what I'm doing (lol, which I dont. it is either my ignorance or lack of experience in making reads and accusations as well as inability to present them accurately). When I was perceived as helping corazone, I simply meant to present an opinion, spark further discussion, and make a final decision on whether or not to lynch corazone tongiht. I will be careful when voicing who I agree with from now on. Also I am confused: scum hunting and expressing opinion is good for town, and when I try and provide the ONLY opinion I have at the time (threesr) I get labelled as not supporting evidence and trying to lynch anyone without reasoning. Chromatically suggests that I will vote anybody off (even though a vote is a tool to apply pressure), yet I am sticking to a read that is not the majority read at the moment. Town reads: Mocsta - clear concise posting , good leadership, asks the right questions to promote discussion. I agree with his read of threesr. His argument against spag needs work but I think his head is in the right place. Spag - I felt I should elaborate on this one since he's getting lynched tonight. While I agree that he has not shared a lot of his own analysis, neither have a lot of people. Also, he mentions that his analysis is in the background and will present findings as they arise. If he is not lying, this could be very useful to town. He has at least been active in trying to promote discussion, and defending people under pressure comes as a sideaffect of good judgement and rational thinking, something I respect. While I don't clear him completely of being mafia, I think it is more than likely he is town and we gain nothing from voting out Spag. Possible scum: threesr - derailing town thinking, being useless. I stand by previous comments. chromatically - I have noticed that he pressures too hard to the point of almost lying and skewing my words and overanalyzing small reactions in order to further his agenda. Faint vibe that I think should be looked into. Also, he seems like an experienced player which is scary if hes mafia. Aquanim - I believe aquanim, the driver behind lynching both spag and corazone, could be mafia trying to control town direction or at least direct discussion away from his mafia mates. sorry if my posts arent as professional as you guys'. | ||
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Everyone keeps mentioning that spag is appearing useful while not contributing. Spag has argued that he has been lighting fires under lurkers to gain information. Is this not considered scumhunting, whether direct or indirect? He seems to be contributing in ways that are very obviously pro-town. I do not really see conclusive evidence. But who knows, maybe thats what town's supposed to do on day1. Anyway, we would have stood much more benefit and less to lose by lynching theesr - we would have confirmed theesr as town/scum and in turn shed some light on spag's innocence. Now hes gone. I will do my best D2 to be more useful, as it seems nobody values my posts. | ||
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@Mocsta: Scum read is an opinion on someone and a scum tell is a specific incident that occurs which hints at scum behaviour. With regards to your post on Aqua being town, I think I might agree. I may have misinterpreted a possible scum read based on overly aggressive and incomplete arguments, and pushing a town lynch. I did not know the information about him being an aggressive townie in the past, and if this is truly his style, then it seems like he is being consistent. Will leave it at that for now. Mocsta: Why do you find it important to discuss what a scum read and a scum tell is? Why do you value this information? I'm very busy and am trying to get a couple posts in per day. Will try to be more active as I will be on holidays as of tomorrow. | ||
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On December 22 2012 09:08 cakepie wrote: I was roleblocked. With Mocsta's flip I feel that it is thus more likely that this comes from Robert Bellarmine (scum RB) than Martin Luther (town RB). I'm just curious, why would you assume it's scum RB? Mocsta has some great points, I find it very hard to provide new insight when cases are well-fabricated and I agree with them. While I do not think the evidence is inconclusive against Chromatically (while I always shared a suspicion of him) Omni is a real issue. My stance on OmniEulogy: -I find it very hard to believe that he claimed VT as proper strategy. -His 100% scum read on corazone is very interesting, as he is very easy to sway off that vote when pressure on corazone is removed. This smells of scum trying to mis-lynch, and he is appearing to be useful by presenting his case against corazone. Before I vote OE I will provide more explanation for my vote. Here's what I think happened: Scum omni knows spag will turn town, and pre-claims VT innocent in an attempt to avoid defending against spag's challenges. Otherwise, town omni would genuinely expect spag to turn scum, and then would have no reason to claim VT. This is because scum spag's scum read on omni would be discarded immediately upon spag turning red. @Omni Your reason for claiming VT is that you knew they would question you if spag turns town. Are you claiming that your scum read on spag was insufficient to base your vote on, realized that you sheeped the vote, and began to prepare for spag to turn town? This is the only explanation IMO that can come from a townie. This being said, I would like to hear from sHz and Sylencia, two players who have been posting infrequently and pretty much agreeeing or disagreeing with others without providing reasons. I honestly don't know why these players have been given a free pass, with nobody prodding them during their time afk. sHz: -Basically he's a lurking sheep. Agreees with any arguments that multiple people have approved. He switches his vote from corazon to spag juts because spag defended him. -He does not provide any new information when he posts, and does not participate in very much scum-hunting. -A list of people he has been suspicious at one point or another: Mocsta, Corazone, Spagetticus, me, threesr. His arguments for suspicion against these players are not very well presented, and are based on things like "the case against X is convincing to me". Votes based on desire to lynch anyone. -He appears to be useful when not actually being useful. I would like to hear what he has to say about Mocsta's case, he has been active for too long. I would like to see him actually scumhunt, ask questions that reveal important information. Sylencia: -Lurks, comes out with opinions out of the blue that, quite frankly, nobody takes seriously. -One page filter can serve one purpose: provide as little information as possible so that nobody can make a read. This definitely brings the advantage to the scum since they currently don't feel pressure in needing to talk, so if they don't talk, they don't reveal anything to us. ---Ironic.Unless I see increase in useful posting from him he goes up in my scum suspicion. -away excuse gives him free ride for 1-2 days? -Has less attention put on him for these reasons -Votes corazone D1 because he's the easy target (has the most votes) and tries to appear like he is emotionally torn apart by making this choice. Attempt for sympathy can only be scummy to me. Does anyone agree with any of these points? What are your opinions of shz and sylencia? Aqua, I thought there was a relationship between theesr and spag, as spag was advocating theesr as town. If we lynched threesr and he turned town, you can probably expect spag to be town too. However if we lynched spag, and he turned town, we would be stuck with the non-useful townie. | ||
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I apologize, i meant to say i don't think the evidence is conclusive against chrom, but Mocsta brought up some good points regarding Chromatically's agression and alignment to Omni to give me a mild scum read. I am suspicious of Omni, and it would be foolish to ignore the post Mocsta made regarding his and Chrom's alignment. I suggest we pursue Omni, while keep an eye on sHz. A mafia turn on Omni would cause an increase in suspicion in Chrom, and a town turn on Omni would eliminate interplay between the two. | ||
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I also did not like his defense of his scum slip. Cakepie in his case post on Omni identified that As has already been pointed out, this VT claim is utterly ridiculous, and is atrocious ahead of N1 as it helps scum focus their PK onto blue roles. It is premature, since there is hardly a threat of him being lynched. He has tried to explain it as "pre-emptive" to protect himself -- but at what cost in terms of risk to our blues? This is a selfish play without any motive to help the town. I strongly agree with this, as I have presented in earlier posts. Regarding his FoS on me: All I ever said was that I had a suspicion of chrom, something that needed to be examined after a lynch of omni, who is the most suspicious right now in my eyes. I also simply mentioned that Mocsta's case should be considered as we move forward. + Show Spoiler + you are misunderstanding pretty badly. Or intentionally trying to twist what I am saying. I did not say that I claimed to give more information. I said that it makes sense to claim VT even if I thought he was scum because if he isn't I would be put into this position one way or the other. You argued how I'd know he is town, I replied by saying I didn't, I was pretty confident AND when he flipped scum the information we would gain would be far greater than scum learning my role. I'm not changing any story I'm just giving you more information behind my thought process because you've asked the same question in different ways about 3 times. I have to go into more detail. Nowhere in there do I say I claim to give town information. ##FoS: Chromatically This is twice you've tried to either twist my words or intentionally misunderstand to try and get your own agenda out. In the first sentence again no less. followed by: I believe I should also add @Shz I still have a town read on Chroma. My FoS was defensive and meant as a way for him to stop misunderstanding my posts and read them again. I think this could have been handled better. He places FoS too hastily on someone he has a town read on. I dont think his justification for FoS is valid. He is quite defensive as a general posting theme. All this seems to give me a scum vibe. My stance on threesr is: vote him out on a day that we have weak scumreads, or have a vigilante take him out. Orangeremi: -Claims he has suspicions but no scum reads, is reluctant to accuse anyone. When he does vote, he votes to bandwagon and gives no justification for his choice other than that person X presented the case before me. Sounds like he's trying to free-ride. -"take this with a grain of salt", "I'm not convinced of anyone being scum D1", "although I agree they [OR's arguments] are brief and weak" - quotes like these (not exact) make him appear to contribute without doing so. He is playing VERY safe and gives alot of uncertain reads, or reads that require more information before they can be justified. -IMO: lazy bad town, or bad scum. ##Vote:OmniEulogy | ||
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On December 27 2012 18:22 cakepie wrote: The town who may be among the lurkers are in fear that whatever they can bring to the table now will not be enough, and they fear getting mislynched, what with how we did on the first two days. So ironically while we are pressing them for substance, we cannot hope for much substance anyway. If they have been playing lazily, the task of catching up, and then stepping up to the plate, can be too daunting. I literally just kept delaying posting for this reason. I have been quite lazy. OMGUS? First, I'd like to address something that gave cakepie a scumread on me: Me lynching omni for information. In that post of mine I prefaced the post with such a statement. I later began to develop why I think this would be a good lynch, followed by stating that I had a scumread on him. The town flip on omni makes us doubt Mocsta's cases on chrom and cakepie, and helps us look at relationships omni has with other players. My scum reads are for Kickstart, and orangeremi, and sHz. Followed by Sylencia. basically, the lurkers. Now i realize this is hypocritical because i lurk too. I think that mafia have let town go crazy and lynch themselves while they wait in the back on a weak LAL policy. But I think we're all learning now - posters that are coming active NOW are the ones trying to establish themselves as town (sHz, orangeremi,). I guess kickstart is an exception though, busy holidays? no defense whatsoever can't be smart. Kickstart: -Basically in the early game he makes the vote on the spag train to a town lynch. -Is very narrow-minded in whom he suspects scum. Poor scumhunter, makes a small effort in the vein of "I'll make a weak case against someone for them to shut it down, so that i look like a scumhunter!" against cakepie, shz. -His reads are basically shz. nobody else except a well-deflected stand against cakepie. Kick: who are your other two scum reads besides sHz and why? -bandwagonner -no effort to help town sHz: -One of the players who is attempting to establish themelves as town. -after 2 days of afk from christmas, shz posts: + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2012 13:42 shz wrote: while Orange declared him scummy on a few occasions but never actually voted or applied any real pressure. I don't think that anyone actually looked into Kick because of him, which could be a very clever scum-play. But is it? I don't know. I'm not sure if we could actually get any information on their relation if we lynch any of them. But I don't know if we actually could gain more information by lynching anyone else, and out of all the lurkier players, he seems to be the scumiest. I will probably vote for him. At this point, no one is a safe bet, but the safest seems to be Kick. This is really hard to get a grip on and in no way I am confidend in this days lynch. Fuck. -very mild reads, not confident in his scumread on kick. basically 50/50 read. What happens if Kick turns town, he looks like scum. if kick turns scum he looks like scum because he tried to save kick. Orangeremi: -my third suspect, basically the same as all the other lurkers -suspects me early on, with no explanation why. He just agrees with the case that Chrom put forward, and then claims that its his suspicion. why? because he has to pick another player in the lurkers to keep the attention off himself and his team. Is forcing it now to get pressure off his back. -one-sentence scum reads on players who are already under suspicion. -forced town-sympathetic posts of frustration. And regarding the discussion question: Chrom: i used to have suspicions on because he would aggressively twist my words and throw them back in my face. but I now realize that this can just be the aggressive nature of a towny. Has had some pretty good logic and scumhunting, however, like everyone else, has been wrong 100% of the time. Honestly, the effort put into this game makes me think he's town. From what I can tell he is the best scum read for alot of us: ##Vote: Kickstart | ||
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Chrom made some interesting observations about sHz, enough to cause me to make my read slightly stronger about sHz than Kick. After all, kick was a lurker more than anything, and scum lynch > lurker lynch. I was pretty confident in following someone with town rep like chrom, especially someone who is willing to risk his town rep on a scum read. but at this point I think that sHz is cleared, right? if shz was scum, Kickstart, a player with some experience, would not accuse sHz of scum that early in the game: it is just bad play. Unless kick was making bad cases to be shot down and appear to be scumhunting. Distancing himself from fellow scum? I don't know. Orangeremi, kickstart's scum partner, chooses to try and swing the vote toward sHz as a last minute attempt. His explanation is that he didn't think kickstart was scum, and that he voted me to judge my reaction. | ||
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I went back and read the comments from ~page 63 on and will address comments made regarding my play: @Chrom regarding shz's post on 27th the post i referred to regarding shz was a different one. Dec 27 13:42. Scummy to me because he is lynching for information, and and declares kick the scummiest and decided that he will probably vote for him. no confidence, no assertion. No confidence in lynch at this point in the game - what does this mean? can we never trust shz's sheeping vote for his own opinion? Note that this is pre-lynch. @cake, all My vote for shz was prompted by chromatically. Quite simply, I thought that sHz would be a better lynch and the decision was not based solely on shz's post I am referring to. I wanted to stand by my read at that point in time. 5-3 to 4-4 would result in kick being lynched anyway, and it was clear that only one of the two were scum. My read changed based on posts from chrom, kick, and so my vote changed. i.e. to sHz. I didn't think about the repercussions of voting so late, and to be honest, I probably would have still made the same decision. I sheeped to Chrom on the premise that scum reads come before lurker reads. And to those saying I never mentioned kick in early game, it's cause he didnt do anything (@chrom). we had all focused on hunting scumreads over lurkers. He flew under my radar, just like the other lurkers. This point is null to me, as everyone has done this at one point in the game. @Corazon I made a post that you missed, regarding how I changed my read on chrom based on the agressive townie hypothesis. The OE/chrom scumteam was quickly discarded as to chrom's defense. But you're saying that I am scum, changed my "read" on chrom to town read just so I can sit back and hope that chrom picks the townies to lynch under poor evidence? That would be awful scumplay. @Aqua's case You keep attacking me and making it seem like the reasons for my decisions are influenced by one single line that I typed. he says i switched my vote to shz because of shz's post a day ago, when I never actually stated that I thought 1) kick was my top scumread, 2) shz was less scummy than kick. My inability to contribute is because im lazy, and I post basically once a day. Take from that what you like, but I'm not breaking my back over this game like the rest of you. OJR: On December 28 2012 22:20 Orangeremi wrote: The wagoners? I don't know, Syl and Aqua seemed to hop on that train with little initiative and rode it undercover. With what they've contributed, I'm surprised they haven't been nk'd yet. then.. On December 28 2012 23:17 Orangeremi wrote: Why haven't they been night killed yet? I'm trying to figure it out. I suppose mocsta and yamato weren't bad nightkills, but I think these players (maybe aqua more than syl) should be up there. No reasons for the things he says. Town read on aqau/syl. He's after me, initially as a pressure vote, now as a lynch vote because I'm the only other option. Quick Q to orange: who is your 3rd scumread after myself? If you are town you should have a good idea. Now, being in my shoes, I am telling you that there is one more scum out there besides orangeremi. I know this isnt too helpful but please consider sylencia. Quick note: has town read from orangeremi - attempt to distance himself and give sylencia final shot to win as he gets lynched. Maybe I'll write something up on him before I get lynched. At this point the kick/shz interplay simply tells me that there is no way shz is mafia unless kick is a mastermind genius, planning this from day 1. If I missed anything please ask again later. | ||
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There were numerous posts by you before i changed my vote to sHz: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2012 07:25 Chromatically wrote: That's a good point. I think it's less likely though, given that Orange has voted FC before. Also, I think that Kickstart would have been a better bus candidate, given that he has 0 influence with the town. In fact, I think that this, along with his other scummy posting, is enough to warrant a shz lynch today: ##Unvote ##Vote: shz On December 28 2012 07:40 Chromatically wrote: He hasn't been scumhunting or even caring about the lynch. d1 he sheeped some cases, d2 he defended Omni and didn't even vote. Especially during d2, there's no way that he's honestly scumhunting but is unable to find a scumread to vote on d2. I'm on my phone, so I can't quote posts, but he's just very uninterested in who is lynched. On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote: In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior. Voteswitch time, everyone. You influenced my vote to be moved to shz. sHz was not caring about the lynch, he sheeps, and votes null. I was sheeping kick. They were both top scum reads to me and so I thought either would be a fine lynch to get either, especially with you backing that switch too. cake i can do that, sure. ##Vote: Orangeremi Regarding who my reads besides orange and syl? the rest are probably town then. Am I missing something? I am still a little suspicious of shz, kick could have easily attacked shz early to get shz far after he [kick] gets lynched for lurking. Will post once more with lots of time before the lynch, but it looks like its me or orangeremi. thus i will save my post on sylencia, shz, for the next days' discussion. | ||
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So I said I'd give something on sylencia. I don't know how this guy has been allowed to lurk for as long as he had, only to come forward when the scumhunt begins to target the lurkers. This happens roughly @ December 24th and on Early Game: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 11:55 Sylencia wrote:Not saying I'm always going to be busy, I was just stating that you might consider me a lurker for now but that's just due to the schedule I have over the 2 days in which this period runs. I wasn't using it as an excuse to try exclude me from a vote. -says he will be afk, and may be considered a lurker + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 14:05 Sylencia wrote: In the case of voting for Corazon - this is the easy path for me, I can simply sheep and jump onto the corazon train but I don't know if that's the right way either. He was targeted early, but this was due to the lack of reads at the time and I think that scum have jumped onto the opportunity to get someone out easy, and honestly to me the thing with Corazon is that while he is defensive, he is still clear with what he is saying and is direct in replying to things which are targetted at him. Downside is he did make a slip, and it most definitely could've been subconciously done and I don't know if I should overlook that or not - since I learned from last game you should go with the most obvious pick from the most obvious reads. I chose to ignore it last time and I paid the price by losing us the game essentially. Fatchunk I still have no idea about, I read his filter but I didn't get much from it. I really hate this, but for now I am leaning towards Corazon, since I don't want to be ignoring 'obvious' tells like I did last game. ##Vote cDgCorazon I can still change my vote for the next couple of hours before I leave but at the moment this is where I stand -sheeps threesr, then corazon (the easy lynches). In this post he basically says he doesn't have a scumread on corazon, and then votes him anyway because he wants to sheep. In the post right after that one he blames it solely on corazon's scumslip. Mid Game + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 21:10 Sylencia wrote: I would say I would stick to Cora, but it's really hard to say objectively since it's already in the past and there's some bias now as to my thought process. -He still claims that corazon would be his day 1 vote after the death of Mocsta. This post seems really safe to me, and shows that he has no reads. -This is followed up by lots of maybe reads, being pretty sure about something, etc. -He is basically doing, in the mid game, the same thing that everyone was persecuting shz for. + Show Spoiler + On December 24 2012 02:54 Sylencia wrote: Why are you STILL bandwagoning onto someone else rather than voting on someone you think is scum? At the very least, why are you not at least making a case on Cora rather than making these claims and leaving them be? Your day 1 vote was apparently a pressure vote which turned into believing what people said., but now we're on Day 2 and been defending yourself against the pressure laid against you and Chrom - however unlikely the links were - but you never thought to bring up any more points against Cora, rather you just say that he is scum and vote for who everyone else is/was again? ##vote Omni -Seizes the opportunity to "put" omni under suspicion. Claims he has a <100% scumread on omni. Then cakepie's post about omni. Sylencia then changes his vote to omni. The reason I think this is odd is because he is attacking someone for bandwagonning instead of voting for your scumread. Late Game + Show Spoiler + On December 26 2012 12:49 Sylencia wrote: Yamato seemed to back up my thoughts on Kickstart playing the opposite game to his usual, which is not something I would expect - so for now my vote goes to Kickstart since he was my 2nd most suspicious player after Omni. ##Vote Kickstart -suspicious of Kickstart based on a two-sentence post saying he thinks kick is supicious: [spoiler]He says, "Kickstart: Hard to say, since it's a complete opposite to last game where he posted a lot and was very active, he did make a case, but it didn't really cover too much new information it was the same as what Aqua already said, just reflavoured."[spoiler] Then he claims that yamato comes on with fresh eyes and convinced him of kick's guilt. Isn't this a little bit odd? It's like he notices the town view moving in one direction, then banks on one of his previous one-liner reads that would satisfy the equation. Recent day or so: He votes orangeremi as his highest scum read. Then he easily switches to me because town is leaning that way too. Basically I think Sylencia is a hypocrite, and he is playing way too safe. He has no original scumreads and is a heavy bandwagonner. Consider his votes: D1:Corazon D2:Omni D3:Kick Aside from corazon, has voted for each lynched player. The Corazon lynch wasn't taking off yet he decided not to switch his vote. Spag, most likely one of sylencia's town reads, was lynched. Now I know this doesnt really mean anything but it's worth mentioning his targets. I guess it seems like he hasn't been examined hard enough and has been allowed to fly under the radar. Sure, he hasn't had any ridiculously scummy plays, but isnt that what mafia goes for? It's the subtle things that matter. These days, all the flak has gone to me and orangeremi and he's happy to just sit there and lynch his teammate. It would be smart for mafia to bus either myself or orangeremi, because if either one of us town the other one is screwed. I can tell you right now that the 1-1 theory is probably true, but my opinion means little at this point, right? BTW. I repeat; was role blocked last night and the kill went down. So either A) i'm not scum, or B) One of me and remi, or neither of us are scum and the town RB chose the wrong player to roleblock. In this case, look for the last scum(s). Hence my post. | ||
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He didn't even address the spag lynch. He stayed on corazon and let spag get lynched. Since he didn't vote for spag, i assume he had a town read on spag, yet he didn't do anything to defend him | ||
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@cake Well I've been claiming town all along. so yes, I am VT. | ||
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Kick was like, at :58 before the lynch of him or shz: FC GET IN THERE AND CHANGE YOUR VOTE. so I did. I thought it'd be a no-lynch or at least maybe a lynch for shz, but i was also trusting kick to know better cause he'd played before. Hilarious in hindsight. GG Cora thanks for carrying us. sorry for sucking. | ||
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