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On December 23 2012 10:47 FatChunk wrote:
@Aqua
I apologize, i meant to say i don't think the evidence is conclusive against chrom, but Mocsta brought up some good points regarding Chromatically's agression and alignment to Omni to give me a mild scum read. I am suspicious of Omni, and it would be foolish to ignore the post Mocsta made regarding his and Chrom's alignment.
I suggest we pursue Omni, while keep an eye on sHz. A mafia turn on Omni would cause an increase in suspicion in Chrom, and a town turn on Omni would eliminate interplay between the two.
Seems hard to believe that Omni and Chrom would be aligned since that would mean that Chrom was throwing Omni under the bus 3 minutes into Day 2. In the case where everyone takes what Mocsta said seriously and agrees that they are both scum I could see it happening, but since there wasn't too much response to it at the end of the night, it wouldn't be natural to throw them under first opportunity you get.
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On December 23 2012 08:29 Aquanim wrote:
I don't think Syl is the most active poster at the best of times (on a quick read of XXXII, where he was VT). I'm prepared to give Syl a little more time to get his head in the game and start contributing and committing to reads... my patience is running out, though.
The problem that is frustrating for me is that even if I do say anything, literally nothing comes out of it. Honestly, I'm happy that FatChunk made a point against me, but even the point he makes was completely ignored by all but you :|
It's like I'm a ghost around here :{
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shz: what of the flipside, would that reveal anything about Chrome depending on what Omni is? Considering that Omni was the one that was under fire, I was trying to work it out myself
If Omni flips scum, I'd be more inclined to believe Chrom is likely town
If Omni flips town, I am not sure it really gives much info about Chrom.
Do you have a different perspective on that?
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In regards to lynching threesr, he's definitely not helping his cause with the unfriendly attitude of his and being afk during Day 2, but honestly I think we have more to go off right now than to be targetting him. If he continues to be a liability during Day 3, I would welcome a lynch on him since we have no idea where he stands atm.
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Honestly, after reading through what everyone has said, I'm not sure what to think. There are compelling arguments and defenses from a lot of people, but nothing has been too outstanding in terms of what could be called scum play.
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The reason why I've considered threesr is because his attitude clearly showed he did not care who was targetted nor what people thought of him, he bandwagoned onto cora pretty early in Day 1, even though he thought FC was scum, he is a clear detriment to the town, seeing as he doesn't provide anything even as a town, and as far as I can see he doesn't even provide a vote.
I've mainly held off because I've also considered Omni who has been on my watchlist from last night when I made my post, but I haven't been 100% convinced about voting him yet.
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I'm pretty sure no lynch is always a pretty horrible choice except for the very late game, because it gives us no information and we're left with the same situation the next day with one less useful VT.
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That is the exact situation I'm facing, but I can't find anything which hasn't been mentioned already or that I mentioned from his day 1 play a while ago.
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Why are you STILL bandwagoning onto someone else rather than voting on someone you think is scum?
At the very least, why are you not at least making a case on Cora rather than making these claims and leaving them be?
Your day 1 vote was apparently a pressure vote which turned into believing what people said., but now we're on Day 2 and been defending yourself against the pressure laid against you and Chrom - however unlikely the links were - but you never thought to bring up any more points against Cora, rather you just say that he is scum and vote for who everyone else is/was again?
##vote Omni
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Seems like my delayed post was beaten to lol
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Seems like we're in the worst possible position that we could be, 6-3 or even 4-3-1 if there's an SK on the loose.
Aqua, do you have any questions you want to ask me?
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Firstly cake:
I think the term 100% is just a term that is being thrown around, but it isn't necessarily a tell. Generally scum are a bit more careful in what they say, they won't go about spouting incorrect facts which are due to be revealed a few hours later to show they are wrong. So I'm inclined to think this is more of a way to give impact to his case.
Aqua:
I can tell you who my town reads are, which are you, cake, the now threesr replacement and myself.
My top suspect now goes back to Kick who was my 2nd choice in the previous day, this is due to his uncharacteristic lurking, which differs completely from his normal playstyle. Problem is, I also suspect shz pretty highly, and we have Kick accusing shz from night 1. This conflict means that there's a good chance that I would be wrong with one of the two - or they are masking their relationship well.
Chrom pings on my radar a little bit, after he backtracked at the end of the day/start of the night.
On December 23 2012 23:38 Chromatically wrote:
[u]I do not understand how we are considering lynching lurkers (threesr/Orange) over the very scummy players in this game.
On December 24 2012 09:20 Chromatically wrote:
Okay, I still think that shz is scummy, but at least 2 of the mafia are hardcore lurking right now. I think that we pretty much have to lynch a lurker today. The problem is that we're basically coinflipping, but I don't think that we have any other choice.
Considering shz has been a primary target throughout day 2, why should we suddenly flip over to lynching a lurker?
Other than that, I really don't have a good read on most of the other remaining players.
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Forgot to say at the end: The two posts by chrom were of course, during different circumstances, but I still think that it's a little inconsistent to do a complete 180 after a town flip.
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On December 24 2012 13:17 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 13:15 Sylencia wrote:
Other than that, I really don't have a good read on most of the other remaining players. How do you feel about me? Is there anything I need to clarify for you?
You seem to be a lot more town than in Day 1, there's not really much I want to ask you but I'm just not completely convinced yet.
Also, welcome yamato 
Now, for day 3 coming - is it possible for the town to vote based on who they think is suspicious first - with some reasoning, followed by defenses and then switching of votes? I feel that in the first 2 days there were quite a few people who said X was their prime suspect but then voted for someone else because they were the majority. Leaving a suspect out of the firing line is the easiest way scum can get through the lynching phase and gives the enemy absolutely no pressure at all.
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If pursuing Chroma is not a good move, why did you vote for him?
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On December 24 2012 22:43 shz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 22:39 Sylencia wrote:
If pursuing Chroma is not a good move, why did you vote for him? Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 08:42 shz wrote:
My vote does not matter anyway, but I'm gonna go with my gut for now and really hope we either start giving lurker shit or they come out and contribute more so we can actually get something done.
##Vote: Chromatically
On December 24 2012 22:37 shz wrote:
But, I don't think that really pursuing Chroma is a good move at the moment, while there are still so many lurkers lurking hard. We have to get them to post more and look what we find.
? The lurkers were around before, as they are now, what has changed since day 2?
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During day 2, you voted for Chrom.
Now, you're saying that pursuing Chrom is not a good move.
Why have you done a 180 on your actions?
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Oh man, yamato gets a day into the game and he's already out, that is mildly amusing, get quite telling as well. His opinions of who was town and who was scum can probably give us good insight on who to vote on, since the fact he was killed could suggest he was right on the money or at least in the right ball park.
Yamato seemed to back up my thoughts on Kickstart playing the opposite game to his usual, which is not something I would expect - so for now my vote goes to Kickstart since he was my 2nd most suspicious player after Omni.
##Vote Kickstart
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Chrom: I don't think the nk was that unexpected, yamato already did a good job breaking down and analysing each member, and so either a) he was getting too close to the right answer or b) he wasn't close and the scum are using that to lead us off the right track.
I'd like to think that it was option a for this, and if he was given more time the scum probably would've been revealed right off on his first day here. Not something they wanted, so they silenced him.
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On December 26 2012 15:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 15:01 Sylencia wrote:
Chrom: I don't think the nk was that unexpected, yamato already did a good job breaking down and analysing each member, and so either a) he was getting too close to the right answer or b) he wasn't close and the scum are using that to lead us off the right track.
I'd like to think that it was option a for this, and if he was given more time the scum probably would've been revealed right off on his first day here. Not something they wanted, so they silenced him. If you feel that Yamato was on the right idea, are you going to honor his final wish and lynch kick? Do you feel like we need to go in another direction? Or do you feel like we should give kick a chance to defend himself?
I have already done so (voted) since his thoughts aligned with mine. As I said in Night 2, it's better we all get our votes in early, see what the accused have to stay, and move appropriately from there. It gives a lot more information for us than blindly bandwagoning and not really putting pressure on your suspects.
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